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Old 11-27-2006, 12:26 AM   #16
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I just wish TV could go back to the time of Andy Griffith when there were absolutely no gay characters.
Do the names Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly ring a bell? You think they were playing straight??
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If there were, they kept quiet about it, or made jokes about it like Three's Company.
Rather those characters were the butt of others' jokes. Aha, so the subject of homosexuality is OK as long as those characters are objects of ridicule, gotcha.
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It seems that now TV has a love affair with the gays.
It only seems that way to you because of your high level of discomfort with gay people. Any depiction of them as real people is too much, isn't it? Back into the closet with 'em, right? Well, it's a new world in a new milleium of gay visibility and TV is only reflecting real life in that regard.
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no because in Return to Mayberry he told Andy he liked the librarian over in Mount Pilot
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It only seems that way to you because of your high level of discomfort with gay people. Any depiction of them as real people is too much, isn't it? Back into the closet with 'em, right? Well, it's a new world in a new milleium of gay visibility and TV is only reflecting real life in that regard.


You are probably correct, but people can be uncomfortable with something without being an awful thing. You know how some people are disgusted by, let's say, feet. That doesn't mean they dislike a person, they just don't want to have any interaction with what they consider to be disgusting feet. And my grandparents are man and woman, but they think it is disgusting when a boy and girl or man and woman make out in public or on tv.

With that said, I am heterosexual. I watched and like the show "Brothers and Sisters" for a while. I continued watching when I discovered one of the characters was gay. But I couldn't help but get that yucky feeling when he started kissing another man like I kiss my wife. I just couldn't stomach it. And I don't mean this to be funny, but it was an uncontrollable yuck feeling.
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Old 06-17-2007, 02:55 PM   #20
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I always thought of Howard as some type of Mama's boy who never really had much going on except his job. He didn't even know much about fishing or anything fun.

With so-called sitcoms and reality shows today, it has everyone looking at the sexual orientation of just about everybody. Sad.
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I think he was quiet and shy, but, not gay
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Janice is correct - not only did he date Milly (can't remember the last name) but he was going to marry her. There was an ep where he asked Andy to be his best man and he and Helen had to travel by train with them to Milly's hometown where they were to be married.

Well they ended up having so many differences that they ended up calling off the wedding. Frankly, imho, I think Howard was probably a gay in denial but there's no way the writers would be going that "deep" into his character. I always thought of Howard as if not gay, then a mama's boy (I'd rather the gay angle since I can't stand "mama's boy"). Actually I just found the whole character too annoying. If an ep with Howard is on, I skip it.
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I think Howard was the naive type. Didn't he date and like woman on the show? I seem to remember that.

Howard dated and proposed to Boysinger Bakery worker Millie Hutchins in the last season. She appeared in two last season episodes - "Howard's Main Event" and "Howard and Millie". The two called their wedding off at the last minute. Millie liked spontaneity; Howard didn't. Millie, for example, wanted to take off and honeymoon in Las Vegas ("live it up") while Howard had made honeymoon plans to attend "The King Arthur Pageant" and visit a tourist-type attraction a few miles from home. Millie wanted an expensive dinner with lots of variety in the dishes while Howard watched his wallet and ordered fishcakes.

Howard was homosocial rather than homosexual - he socialized with other men rather than women. I don't think he had an overwhelming interest in women but I don't think he had any homosexual interests in men either. Howard strikes me as non-sexual. I doubt if Howard had much of a sexual life. He just doesn't seem the type.

Here's Howard and Millie sharing one of the few 'passionate' kisses in the entire series. This is just after he proposes to her.


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He definitely wasn't gay in that show but if the show were on today, he'd be translated into a gay character. And that's what prompted Joe to ask the question, I think.
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He definitely wasn't gay in that show but if the show were on today, he'd be translated into a gay character. And that's what prompted Joe to ask the question, I think.

If the show were re-produced today I'm not sure Howard would be gay. Gays don't live in small towns like Mayberry. Altho gays may be born in small towns like Mayberry, they go to college and move to big cities where educational, job, and cultural opportunities exist. I could see maybe a rich retired gay or lesbian couple buying a small hobby farm somewhere near Mayberry but for a bachelor county clerk to be gay? Naw. I can't see it. A single gay man Howard's age wouldn't be living in a place like Mayberry.
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The simple answer is no! A bit wussy but he did back down Cylde when they both wanted Millie.

I have a paperback book (my edition released in 1989 I think) by Robert Kelley about The Andy Griffth show. In it he has interviews with most of the cast. Andy talks about the creation of "Howard" and about how the character evolved over time. After the original Howard was getting to be too pathetic (mama's boy) they let the character become more independent (thankfully!). This is when he finally gets his own place and his worrisome mother gets married.

One of my favorite characters is Floyd. His goofy mannerisms are jsut great!

("He assaulted me. And he hit me real hard".)
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