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ABlairican Pie

11-01-2003, 01:54 PM

Has Britney Gone Too Far?

Madonna has teamed up with Britney Spears for the sexy duet, "Me Against the Music." However, many are wondering if it's Britney against the music, as the pop star continues to bare more than her soul. Has Britney gone too far with her new sexy image?

"There's quite a few people who think what Britney's doing is OK. I think it's OK," Nelly told Access.

"I don't think there's any right or wrong of it. It's just what people are, what their talent is and what people want to buy," said Jewel.

At 21 years old, Britney has sold more than 52 million CDs. That's more than Janet, Beyonce and Faith Hill. But, is it her sex appeal or musical talent that's selling albums?

"Sex over substance, yeah," said Carson Daly. "She's always been a performer and just like Madonna, not known for her impeccable five-octave range. So I think as she transitions into a young woman, which she already is, she's going to go through these stages of re-inventing."

When Britney was 18, in an interview with Access Hollywood's Nancy O'Dell, she talked about her idol Madonna and about stripping down for the camera.

"Is Madonna your idol?" asked Nancy.

"Yes, she is my idol. I love her," said Britney.

"You're not going to pop up posing nude anywhere?" asked Nancy.

"No, no," said Britney.

Times have certainly changed for Britney since three years ago. Britney leaves little to the imagination on the latest covers of Esquire and Rolling Stone magazines and a backlash is already underway. The wife of Maryland Governor Kendel Ehrlich made a shocking comment about the superstar.

"If I had an opportunity to shoot Britney Spears, I think I would," said Ehrlich in reference to the sexier image Britney is portraying.

Ehrlich later publicly apologized. "I really regret making the statement. It was off-handed, it was in jest," said Ehrlich.

With her new CD "In the Zone" out Nov. 18, the question is: Can Britney still sell? Newsweek music critic Lorraine Ali spent the day with Britney for the magazine and was one of the first to hear her new CD.

"The album is really surprisingly good," said Ali. "[On] this album she's got some great people she's working with. She worked with Moby, she worked with R. Kelly. It's a great club album and her voice is just kind of a nice decoration on the top of it, basically."

MonarC

11-01-2003, 04:53 PM

hey if you've got a hot body and it can help your career why not show it off.

Kay Scarpetta

11-01-2003, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by MonarC
hey if you've got a hot body and it can help your career why not show it off.

I disagree. Singing and selling music shouldn't be about someone's image. It should be about weather they really are worthy enough of selling albums. The sad thing about society today is that some people don't care weather an artist is good or not- if their sex appeal is high, then what they hell, they go out and buy the album.

Mr. Stefani

11-01-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Miss Karly
I disagree. Singing and selling music shouldn't be about someone's image. It should be about weather they really are worthy enough of selling albums. The sad thing about society today is that some people don't care weather an artist is good or not- if their sex appeal is high, then what they hell, they go out and buy the album.

i dont think someones gonna go buy an album just for a look. going to one of her concerts, or buying her posters ect would be buying the sex appeal. I know, its hard to believe people actually like her music.ohno:

on the topic of britney, my sister has been playing one of her new songs nonstop all day. It goes "ohh this is way beyond physical." and "dont stop baby im almost there!" and then theres like orgasim sounds:lol: I was like wtf are u listening to child?

Penny Lane

11-01-2003, 07:08 PM

TJL

11-01-2003, 07:18 PM

Miss Spears emulates her idol Madonna in one of the most important aspects in showbiz: getting attention.

Britney recently posed nearly naked for Rolling Stone and now Esquire. Why? Artistic expression? Changing her image?

No. She has a new album coming out.

Whether or not she has "gone too far," is not the point. The bottom line she has people talking, writers writing articles about her, Entertainment Tonight doing stories about her "new image," all of which draws more attention to her new album, coming out November 18.

;)

I'm not totally cold hearted when it somes to Miss Spears. I think the Esquire cover she did is awsome.

bandito

11-01-2003, 07:30 PM

¤I Love Clay Aiken¤

11-01-2003, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by MonarC
hey if you've got a hot body and it can help your career why not show it off. I agree. And I agree with what Tim said.. people arent just going to buy a CD for looks. I think Joel from GC is hot, but I have no desire to buy his album because I dont like that type of music. Same goes for other artists. Thats just me, but it wouldnt make any sense to waste $15 on an artist you only find hot. Itd make more sense to buy their posters and DL their fake porno online.

ABlairican Pie

11-01-2003, 07:52 PM

Hollow

11-01-2003, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
people arent just going to buy a CD for looks.
:grr: unless theres nude pics in the lyrics book that arent on posters or the internet.

musicradio77

11-01-2003, 10:03 PM

If I can see Britney's nude pictures off Kazaa Lite, I will not download it!

Ewan's My Man

11-01-2003, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Nirvana
i dont think someones gonna go buy an album just for a look. going to one of her concerts, or buying her posters ect would be buying the sex appeal. I know, its hard to believe people actually like her music.ohno:

on the topic of britney, my sister has been playing one of her new songs nonstop all day. It goes "ohh this is way beyond physical." and "dont stop baby im almost there!" and then theres like orgasim sounds:lol: I was like wtf are u listening to child?

:rofl:

I think she's washed up. She's OBVIOUSLY not appealing to the younger audience as much anymore. I seriously would die if my lil sister were like, "Mommy! Mommy! Look at Britney Spears! She's the best!" while she's posing nude. However, in all honesty, I don't know who the HELL is gonna buy her cd! I mean, I know there are the longtime fans and of course they'll buy it. But I doubt many youngens are gonna buy it...and then there's the families that have always had an "issue" w/ her but let their kids buy her stuff b/c she didn't do stuff that bad...yea...she lost THAT audience. And I know most ppl my age HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE her. College students? They don't have enough money as it is, like they're really gonna go out and buy Britney Spears cd...woo...no. And NE1 older then that I think I'd be scarred for life if I saw them jammin to Britney Spears.

She's beginning to annoy me. She can't sing...and isn't she SMOKING now? *Rolls eyes* that's good for her voice. She's so computerized. And really, she is beginning to get trashy. I mean, ok, she has a good body, but there is such thing as going too far. I mean this is on the front of magazines. Little kids see this. Just b/c she has it *coughsiliconcough* doesn't mean she should show it off for the rest of the world. That's just trashy...it shows no class whatsoever. I don't want my lil sister seeing that crap. She used to be a really cute kid. Now she's just...ugh.

Mr. Stefani

11-01-2003, 11:56 PM

Britney's boobs are too saggy to be fake.

Just a random observation.

¤I Love Clay Aiken¤

11-02-2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by sArAh123¼
:grr: unless theres nude pics in the lyrics book that arent on posters or the internet. People would scan it in.

Yeah, Ive been a Britney fan since shes been out, so I love all her songs.

As for what Tim said.. yeah, theyre fake. Watch Crossroads when shes at the beach... they flop to the sides and shes flat as can be. Push up bras do wonders.

ABlairican Pie

11-02-2003, 05:06 AM

I do like the idea of Britney making her music more club/dance oriented.

I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong one's music to enhance an image of oneself, even if it is a sexy image. Britney is, after all, an entertainer. She is not a "real" artist/musician, say, like Alanis Morrissette or Courtney Love.:spit:
It's like what Dimebag Darryll (of Pantera) explained to Zakk Wylde (of Ozzy's band): it's music for someone else, there's an audience for it, it's not such a bad thing. It's just that her music needs to mature, even if it's in a pop context.

Kay Scarpetta

11-02-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
She is not a "real" artist/musician, say, Courtney Love

.....and she is?

ABlairican Pie

11-02-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Miss Karly
.....and she is?
That was a joke!!:joke: :rotflmao: Courtney Love's more like a CON artist (emphasis on "con";) )

dlemond

11-02-2003, 02:12 PM

Why should anyone care what she does?
She has the freedom to whatever she likes regardless of what anyone thinks.

Is anyone on your case for what you decide to wear or who you date or where you decide to go or hang out?
I would think you'd like to make those decisions for yourself.

If she does porn next does she owe someone an apology or something? Don't pretend celebrities owe you explanation or that they are role models- I'd like to think everyone thinks for themselves- give people more credit than that.

And if people buy her albums and such that is their choice.
Not a smart one, but hey, this is America last I checked.

ABlairican Pie

11-02-2003, 02:59 PM

Bringing Up Britney
Sex appeal, far more than music, is what sells Spears. Does she know it, does she like it—and how far will she take it, now that she’s not a kid anymore?

By Lorraine Ali
NEWSWEEK

Nov. 3 issue — Britney Spears rips open a bag of extra-cheesy Doritos, dips one into a bowl of tuna salad, crunches loudly then wipes off the excess orange dust on the thighs of her hip-hugging jeans. “Sorry, I’m just stuffin’ my face here,” she says in a perky Louisiana accent, then jams another chip into her mouth. It’s one of the few breaks the performer gets today between rehearsing numbers for “Saturday Night Live,” posing for a magazine photo shoot and taping an upcoming Britney special for ABC. She takes a swig off her Pepsi (not Diet), then looks at her cracked, unpainted, stubby toenails. “I do need a pedicure, don’t I,” she says. But who cares—when the scantily clad, hip-gyrating, crotch-grabbing Spears hits the stage, no one in America but Britney’s choreographer will be concentrating on her feet.

Sex appeal is to Britney Spears what special effects are to “The Matrix.” Just last week Madame Tussaud’s unveiled a wax figure of the star—it doesn’t sing, but it straddles a pole and has inflatable breasts that heave to the music. Since she debuted as a pigtailed 16-year-old in 1998, the former Mouseketeer has morphed from a schoolgirl heartthrob to a lap-dance fantasy. And the music? Does it matter? Spears has sold more records in four years than Madonna has in the last decade. Though each Britney CD has sold fewer copies than the last, her celebrity stature continues to climb. She’s appearing bottomless on the cover of Esquire and shirtless in Las Vegas. Britney will always be bigger than the critics who hate her.

This latest round of overexposure (aimed at the postpubescent crowd this time) coincides with her fourth album, “In the Zone,” though it’s hard to say if anyone will notice the great soundtrack behind the perpetual peep show. The record—created by everyone from Moby to R. Kelly—is actually pretty amazing. Its beats are crisp and club-savvy, its production inspired. All that’s missing is the singer: Spears’s breathy voice and orgasmic groans are simply decoration.
OK, so Madonna can’t sing, either—and she might be Spears’s greatest role model. “I remember being in my living room and watching her on TV. I’d dance around in my short tops and sing and dream about being her.” But Spears isn’t quite Material Girl material. The 21-year-old icon is in an awkward phase—somewhere between a puppeteered kid act and savvy pop seductress. It’s hard to tell who, if anyone, is under all the shifting images. In person, the hunt doesn’t get much easier. Backstage in her “SNL” dressing room, a chatty Spears checks her makeup frequently in the large mirror. She is super-amped after sucking down a Starbucks Frappuccino, even bouncy in a pep-squad sort of way. She’d be annoying if she weren’t so sweet and hospitable. But all the caffeine doesn’t make her really talk. Britney avoids answering “tough” questions directly, bobbing and weaving like a politician. Q: Do you feel you have more control of your career now than when you were a Svengali-ed teen act? A: People talk about teen this or that, but in the end, it’s just pop music, which is popular music, and it can only get better. Q: What effect do you think your steamy performances are having on kids? A: It’s a visual thing. That’s why I’m here right now, because I dreamed of these moments. Kids need that. If they don’t dream, they have what? That’s what makes you feel spiritual, connected with God. But don’t take it too literally. Just watch the performance, be drawn in. And if you don’t like it, change the channel.
For better or worse, Spears got media training early on. When it pops up in otherwise casual conversation, it sounds like a beauty contestant’s rehearsed monologue: “I love children. My ultimate dream five years from now would be to have kids, have a husband.” The most unrehearsed moments are slightly sad—revealing a strangely cloistered kid who seems to have spent way too much time performing and not enough time living. When Spears talks about the South Asian musical influences on “In the Zone,” she says she’s “been into a lot of Indian spiritual religions.” When asked if one of them is Hinduism, she says, “What’s that? Is it like kabbalah?”

Spears entered her first talent show at the age of 6 and moved from Kentwood, La., to Orlando, Fla., when she became a Mouseketeer at 11. Along with such prefab creations as the Backstreet Boys and ‘N Sync, she was signed to Jive in 1996 and promoted ad nauseam by a grunge-weary MTV. The most titillating of the teen pack—a professed virgin who was dating the cutest guy in ‘N Sync—she outgrew the grade-school audience after her first album and lost them when the news broke that she had finally, you know, done it . “Justin said it on ‘Barbara Walters’,” says Spears. “The world knew after he frickin’ told them all. What am I supposed to say, ‘No, I didn’t’? Can you say I’m a little bitter with men? Just a little.”
Spears’s affair and breakup with Justin Timberlake was a tabloid event of Bennifer proportions. “It was really hard,” she says. “There was a time when I was like, ‘OK, I’m over men. They’re mean.’ For like six months, not a single thing happened. Not like they weren’t drawn to me, but there wasn’t a single real attraction. I’m like, ‘What’s happening? I know I’m not a lesbian’.” Now it’s reported that she’s hooked up with a married backup dancer. Spears says she’s not dating anyone. “My personal life is no one’s business,” she says. “But I can understand the infatuation. I mean, s—t, I’m a fan. Me with Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston. I’m like, ‘Oh my God. They are so cute!’ ”
Not everyone thinks Britney’s so cute. Kendel Ehrlich, wife of Maryland’s governor, recently told an audience at a conference against domestic violence that she would shoot Spears if she had a gun. Many a mom in the audience applauded. “Why? Why are they mad at me?” Spears says, claiming not to know about the incident. It’s hard to tell if she’s actually this clueless or if she’s pulled the emergency rip cord labeled denial. “Why are they not going at Christina [Aguilera]? Have they seen what she has on? I know I’m acting like a 4-year-old right now, ‘Well, look at her!’ But Beyonce dresses provocatively. Why don’t they say something about her? What is too sexy to them? My family, we walked around the house naked, we really did. By the time I was 13, my dad was like, ‘Uh, Britney, it’s time to start covering yourself up.’ I’m very free like that.”
'My family, we walked around the house naked,' says Spears. 'I'm very free like that'
For Spears, freedom is sometimes just another word for nothing left to lose. At the “SNL” rehearsal, she finishes a frenetic dance number and plops down on the stage, her legs wide open to a crew of at least 30 people, mostly men. She appears oblivious to the effect she’s having. But is she really always this uncalculating? She, or the people around her, must be aware that her current push to be viewed as an adult is attracting a whole new kind of fan who can smirk at her music while leering at her body. Take that Esquire cover shoot. “I did feel kind of weird after those photos,” says Spears, sounding sheepish for the first time during the interview. “I was in a moment. I had, like, eight Red Bulls and said, ‘OK, let’s do it.’ I learned my lesson and you won’t see me like that for a while. I’m kinda over it myself. Not that it’s dirty or tacky, but it is really revealing and I wouldn’t want my kid, at 21, to be dressing like that.”
And she probably means it. She really is an all-American, Dorito-eating girl—or would like to be. But then she’d have to stop being Britney.

ABlairican Pie

11-02-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by dlemond
Why should anyone care what she does?
She has the freedom to whatever she likes regardless of what anyone thinks.

Is anyone on your case for what you decide to wear or who you date or where you decide to go or hang out?
I would think you'd like to make those decisions for yourself.

If she does porn next does she owe someone an apology or something? Don't pretend celebrities owe you explanation or that they are role models- I'd like to think everyone thinks for themselves- give people more credit than that.

And if people buy her albums and such that is their choice.
Not a smart one, but hey, this is America last I checked.

:thumbsup: I agree!!patriot: Britney has been trying hard to shed the "kiddie role model" image for a while.

°Bubbly Blonde°

11-02-2003, 07:10 PM

...no....she hasnt gone too far...

*Pleasant Tomorrow*

11-02-2003, 07:42 PM

I don't know...let her do what she wants. I'd never do what she's doing, but we're totally different people. Everyone's different and not everyone understands other people.

~*Hannah_Lee*~

11-02-2003, 09:39 PM

Someone's sex appeal should never EVER have anything to do with their music.....but in today's world its like record companies look for people who can dance and don't care to show everything, and then just make do with the fact that they can't sing. It's pathetic. I certainly won't be wasting my money on that CD. I'll go out and buy a real artist's album, instead.

DianeChambers87

11-02-2003, 09:50 PM

was I the only one a little taken back when she said she grew up walking around naked in her house?

ABlairican Pie

11-03-2003, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
was I the only one a little taken back when she said she grew up walking around naked in her house? I was thinking, "Uhhh, that would explain alot...":eek: :D

Btw, where are the other members of Queen in your avatar? Brian May rocks!!

¤I Love Clay Aiken¤

11-03-2003, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
was I the only one a little taken back when she said she grew up walking around naked in her house? Dude, what 13 year old girl would walk around naked in front of your father?! I dont care how free you are.. thats almost incestual.

As for her going to far, nah. Im not surprised when she does these things, because she started off doing it slowly.. for Christina she went from Genie In A Bottle to Dirrty and I was shocked, but Im over it now. And I dont buy Britney album because she can dance. Yes, she can, but I also like her songs, too.. otherwise I wouldnt buy her albums.

TJL

11-03-2003, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
was I the only one a little taken back when she said she grew up walking around naked in her house?

Nope. I found that statement a little odd myself.

Kristina

11-03-2003, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
Dude, what 13 year old girl would walk around naked in front of your father?! I dont care how free you are.. thats almost incestual.

for some odd reason that made me laugh. :lol:

DianeChambers87

11-03-2003, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
I was thinking, "Uhhh, that would explain alot...":eek: :D

Btw, where are the other members of Queen in your avatar? Brian May rocks!!

Brian May Rocks! John Deacon Rocks!!! Roger Taylor ROCKS!! I should make it all of them....lol

As you can see though Freddie's my favorite, for songs and that incredible voice....i'd love to see britney measured up to those standards on a scale of 1 to 10 Freddie being a 12 Brian's voice being an 11britney would barely make .05 lol

ABlairican Pie

11-03-2003, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
Brian May Rocks! John Deacon Rocks!!! Roger Taylor ROCKS!! I should make it all of them....lol

As you can see though Freddie's my favorite, for songs and that incredible voice....i'd love to see britney measured up to those standards on a scale of 1 to 10 Freddie being a 12 Brian's voice being an 11britney would barely make .05 lol

Queen ROCKS!! Yep, I don't think Britney would make a ripple compared to Freddie and the boys. I even saw Queen in December 1978 in Seattle!!:cool:

DianeChambers87

11-04-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Queen ROCKS!! Yep, I don't think Britney would make a ripple compared to Freddie and the boys. I even saw Queen in December 1978 in Seattle!!:cool:

too cool man!! How was it?

EricIdlefan

11-04-2003, 08:02 PM

She went from being clean cut and cute to being a tramp!!

IownTheDivision69

11-04-2003, 08:05 PM

eh who really cares? britney's friggin hott. *drools*

David

11-04-2003, 08:41 PM

let britney be who she wants to be. Its just that if she wants her younger fans to stay, she'll have to cover up a bit :D

ABlairican Pie

11-05-2003, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
too cool man!! How was it?

Way Cool!! There was this huge column of lights that was set in rows where it came down during the middle of the show and had this mini-stage and they plyed a few jazz numbers on it, they also sang "Death On Two Legs", a totally rocked out version of "We Will Rock You", and during Get Down Make Love," these lights flashed and spread all over the audience, it was really trippy!! John Deacon had his hair cut short, Roger Talylor wiaed on these huge kettle drums, and Brian May had his huge majestic guitar sound. It was so cool. and Freddy Mercury was dressed in a leather outfit, kinda like Rob Halford. It was great, but I wish I had stayed l heard they had played "Keep Yourself Alive", "Bohemian Rhapsody," and "Tie Your Mother Down!!"

ABlairican Pie

11-05-2003, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by EricIdlefan
She went from being clean cut and cute to being a tramp!! You're just jealous.

DianeChambers87

11-05-2003, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Way Cool!! There was this huge column of lights that was set in rows where it came down during the middle of the show and had this mini-stage and they plyed a few jazzz number s on it, they also sange "Death On Two Legs", a totally rocked out version of "We Will Rock You", and during Get Down Make Love," thse lights flashed and spread all over the audience, it was really trippy!!John Deacon had his hair cut short, Roger Talylor wiaed on these huge kettle drums, and Brian May had his huge majesteic guitar sound. It was so cool. and Freddy Mercury was dressed in a leather outfit, kinda like Rob Halford. It was great, but I wish I had stayed l heard they had played "Keep Yourself Alive", "Bohemian Rhapsody," and "Tie Your Mother Down!!"
Man I love "Death on two legs"! I could listen to the album "A night at the opera" and "A day at the races" ALL DAY LONG!!
was his outfit sort of like this one?

Hollow

11-05-2003, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by EricIdlefan
She went from being clean cut and cute to being a tramp!!
Flaunt it if you got it.

ABlairican Pie

11-05-2003, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
Man I love "Death on two legs"! I could listen to the album "A night at the opera" and "A day at the races" ALL DAY LONG!!
was his outfit sort of like this one?

Actually, it was more of the leather biker outfit with a motor cycle cap and sunglasses. I think this was the beginnings of his gay-identity persona, where his outfit reflected that, but before he adopted the macho short-hair and burly mustache look in the 80's.

LILFACE23

11-05-2003, 10:58 PM

LILFACE23

11-05-2003, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Ewan's My Man
:rofl:

I think she's washed up. She's OBVIOUSLY not appealing to the younger audience as much anymore. I seriously would die if my lil sister were like, "Mommy! Mommy! Look at Britney Spears! She's the best!" while she's posing nude. However, in all honesty, I don't know who the HELL is gonna buy her cd! I mean, I know there are the longtime fans and of course they'll buy it. But I doubt many youngens are gonna buy it...and then there's the families that have always had an "issue" w/ her but let their kids buy her stuff b/c she didn't do stuff that bad...yea...she lost THAT audience. And I know most ppl my age HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE her. College students? They don't have enough money as it is, like they're really gonna go out and buy Britney Spears cd...woo...no. And NE1 older then that I think I'd be scarred for life if I saw them jammin to Britney Spears.

She's beginning to annoy me. She can't sing...and isn't she SMOKING now? *Rolls eyes* that's good for her voice. She's so computerized. And really, she is beginning to get trashy. I mean, ok, she has a good body, but there is such thing as going too far. I mean this is on the front of magazines. Little kids see this. Just b/c she has it *coughsiliconcough* doesn't mean she should show it off for the rest of the world. That's just trashy...it shows no class whatsoever. I don't want my lil sister seeing that crap. She used to be a really cute kid. Now she's just...ugh.

I agree. Maybe she's trying to be the next Pamela Anderson. :lol:

DianeChambers87

11-06-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Actually, it was more of the leather biker outfit with a motor cycle cap and sunglasses. I think this was the beginnings of his gay-identity persona, where his outfit reflected that, but before he adopted the macho short-hair and burly mustache look in the 80's.

Ahh yes..but his flamboyance only added to his charm

ABlairican Pie

11-06-2003, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
Ahh yes..but his flamboyance only added to his charm Oh, yes, I have no problem with that, he was quite a performer, but when I saw the campy "gay" approach, yeah, I thought, ugh, but in the past 15 years I really thought it was great. I didn't understand it at first as gay in '78, and when I did, I went throught the usual born-again homophobia, but I then grew up. I thought it was different and interesting in 78, a change from the previous image in earlier Queen albums and tours.