Last episode was a copout

[rachelfan]

Saw the last episode last night and couldn't believe what a copout it was. The last season sucked plain and simple and the last episode's "it all didn't really happen" seemed like a copout. They screwed up and should deal with the consequences.

[HuntingtonM15]

Originally posted by rachelfan
Saw the last episode last night and couldn't believe what a copout it was. The last season sucked plain and simple and the last episode's "it all didn't really happen" seemed like a copout. They screwed up and should deal with the consequences.

What would the consequences be?

[rachelfan]

They won the lottery and Dan cheated on Rosie. They screwed up by doing these two things but they should have stuck to their guns and continued through the storyline instead of doing a stupid "it never really happened" wrapup at the end.

[Brian Damage]

agreed

[Brent88]

Yes, they should have ended the series at Dan's heart attack and killed him or something... I must say though, the lottery thing was absolutely HILAROUS! Where Jackie finds out and then when she rushes to Roseanne who doesn't have a shirt on... I was dying laughing at that one!

[Little Mel]

I agree, I think they really messed the show up. Especially by them saying that Jackie was really the one who became gay and not her mother, and how Darlene was really married to Mark while David was actually married to Becky. I know this is just a show and all, and it's fictitious, but now when I watch an early episode with Darlene and David, it doesn't have as much reality to me since Darlene was really suppose to be with Mark. Now when I watch, I just say to myself, so none of this really happened huh? It kind of spoils it a little bit for me. I can't really put into words what I'm trying to say, but yes, I do agree with you that the ending seemed to be a copout. I do however think it was good that they said the final season never really happened, and how they were able to get Roseanne's dream of being a writer in their, but the wife swapping stuff was what really confused me.

[Clint Eastwood Fan]

I never watch the last season. To me, the series ended at Darlene and David's wedding with Dan's heartattack.

[LisaM34]

Originally posted by mdntrider7
I agree, I think they really messed the show up. Especially by them saying that Jackie was really the one who became gay and not her mother, and how Darlene was really married to Mark while David was actually married to Becky. I know this is just a show and all, and it's fictitious, but now when I watch an early episode with Darlene and David, it doesn't have as much reality to me since Darlene was really suppose to be with Mark. Now when I watch, I just say to myself, so none of this really happened huh? It kind of spoils it a little bit for me. I can't really put into words what I'm trying to say, but yes, I do agree with you that the ending seemed to be a copout. I do however think it was good that they said the final season never really happened, and how they were able to get Roseanne's dream of being a writer in their, but the wife swapping stuff was what really confused me.

You put it into words just fine. I think most of us feel the same. At least I do.

[kuna781x]

Many people don't look at the show in the same way after watching the finale. I agree that the ninth season was really stupid. When the Conners won the lottery, I knew that there was something wrong. I kept saying to myself "This isn't really happening". Why in the world would the Conners just suddenly win the lottery. To me, it didn't make any sense. I didn't believe it for a minute. The show just kept getting more and more strange after that, but before "The Wedding" episode, when Dan had his heart attack, the show was really good.

[kuna781x]

Many people don't look at the show in the same way after watching the finale. I agree that the ninth season was really stupid. When the Conners won the lottery, I knew that there was something wrong. I kept saying to myself "This isn't really happening". Why in the world would the Conners just suddenly win the lottery. To me, it didn't make any sense. I didn't believe it for a minute. The show just kept getting more and more strange after that, but before "The Wedding" episode, when Dan had his heart attack, the show was really good.

[TvTalk101]

Originally posted by rachelfan
They won the lottery and Dan cheated on Rosie. They screwed up by doing these two things but they should have stuck to their guns and continued through the storyline instead of doing a stupid "it never really happened" wrapup at the end.

They did stick to their guns. This ending was thought up and decided upon by Roseanne and the producers before Season 9 even started...

[rachelfan]

Originally posted by Adam1982
They did stick to their guns. This ending was thought up and decided upon by Roseanne and the producers before Season 9 even started...

I strongly disagree. Roseanne has a history of screwing up and then trying to undo the mistake with poorly thought out excuses. Kind of like how she claimed she wasn't trying to be funny by singing the National Anthem in San Diego and that she was a victim in all it. Or how she called LA Times critic Howard Rosenberg a F.A.G. when he gave Tom Arnold's show a bad review, but when Gay Right's Groups took offense to her remarks, she claimed that she purposefully made herself a scapegoat in an elaborate plan to call attention to predjucism in today's society. :rolleyes: Puhleeeze. This series closer was a perfect example of her covering her mistakes as usual. Roseanne was a fantastic show in it's first few seasons anfd then it simply ran out of gas once the hubbie got a part and Bernhardt and Co were brought on. The final season was gutwrenchingly awful and a desperate attempt to breathe new life into the show. The lottery storyline failed miserably and the final episode did little to save the show's "didn't bow out when it should have" reputation. Such a shame.

[Will and Grace Fanatic]

I seriously doubt Roseanne is homophobic. Come one with all the gay topics the show had. And plus she has siblings that are gay.

[rachelfan]

Who said she was homophobic? Not me. Don't put words in my mouth. She made a rash comment about a journalist and tried to cover her tracks by saying it was an elaborate plan. The journalist didn't believe it, neither most other people. It was then that she went on her gay kick and added the characters and wrote in the infamous kiss with Hemingway.

[TvTalk101]

Originally posted by rachelfan
I strongly disagree. Roseanne has a history of screwing up and then trying to undo the mistake with poorly thought out excuses

Roseanne did a TV interview at the end of Season 8 and was asked about the last season...She said that there were going tobe some big (AND STRANGE) things happening on the show but you would have to wait untill the final days to really get what was going on...

Also, there was a plan to end the show with Season 8, but Roseanne pitched her ideas to the producers and writers about the whole thing including the lottery stuff, and they decided to carry on with one final season. This sudden decision can be seen very easily with the second leaving of Lecy. She was on for Season 8 becasue it was tobe the last season and then didn't return for 9. John Goodman also had plans that were to happen following the series end after Season 8 but then when the show continued he had tobe acomodiated for his movie roles and was absent for much of the season...

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Will and Grace Fanatic
I seriously doubt Roseanne is homophobic. Come one with all the gay topics the show had. And plus she has siblings that are gay.

she's also given several interviews to Advocate Magazine.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Adam1982
Roseanne did a TV interview at the end of Season 8 and was asked about the last season...She said that there were going tobe some big (AND STRANGE) things happening on the show but you would have to wait untill the final days to really get what was going on...

Also, there was a plan to end the show with Season 8, but Roseanne pitched her ideas to the producers and writers about the whole thing including the lottery stuff, and they decided to carry on with one final season. This sudden decision can be seen very easily with the second leaving of Lecy. She was on for Season 8 becasue it was tobe the last season and then didn't return for 9. John Goodman also had plans that were to happen following the series end after Season 8 but then when the show continued he had tobe acomodiated for his movie roles and was absent for much of the season...

I remember hearing her say this too

I am shocked Lecy didn't at least return for the final episode

[rachelfan]

Adam,
Go to any library and pick up an old TV Guide circa March of Roseanne's final year. I clearly remember her acknowledging her mistakes with the Lottery storyline and a vow to correct the "mistake". It was only after the final episode received such criticism that Roseanne had a new "story" about the whole final season being planned far in advance. And it was only after she made the F.A.G. comment and GLAD and GYA picketed outside her studio that Rosie went on her gay kick i.e. the interviews with gay magazine, Nancy was made gay and Rosie had the Hemingway kiss written into the script. What she did wasn't a crime by any stretch of the imagination but your clouded, revionist history of the sequence of events is exactly what Roseanne was banking on when she tried to cover her predjucided remarks. Sorry, my memory is better than that. :D Not to mention, her whole effort to appease the gay community over her F.A.G comments was chronicled very closely in my Mass Media class. In fact, I still have my notes in an old three ring binder. :D

[kuna781x]

I agree that the season finale was creative, and I understand that the episodes in Season 9 sort of built up to the finale, but if you ask me, there are so many better ways the show could have ended. For example, in "The Wedding" episode, when Dan has his heart attack, they could have ended the show with Dan passing away in the next episode and then do a funeral episode after that. The show also could have ended when Dan was in the hospital and the family had Darlene's wedding reception at the hospital or they could have done a couple more episodes after the hospital episode just until Darlene had her baby. The show could have also ended after Roseanne and Dan made up after that big fight that they had right after Dan came home from the hospital and then just leave out the ending where Jackie finds out she wins the lottery. Now, if the show was gonna go ahead and do the lottery thing, it may have been okay if the episodes didnt become so strange after that. For instance, they could have done some episodes where the family all splits the money and goes in thier own direction but then later discover that money isn't everything and realize that family is more important and then all reunite again. The lottery thing could have been alright to do because, throughout the years, one of the shows main focus was how the family made ends meet and also the family's financial struggle, so it would have been nice to see the Conners win the lottery so they wouldn't have to worry about money any longer and could make a better life for themselves, but they needed a more realistic and typical ending such as the one I suggested. Any of these endings would have worked. I respect anyone who may disagree with me but I think most Roseanne fans would agree that the last season and the finale was just really unnecessary.

[Montanya427]

I agree with the fact that the last season was not good. They could have gone on with season nine with the storyline of Dan's alleged affair (dont remeber if he really had one - been years since I watched season 9) and Darlenes Pregnancy and skipped the whole lottery part. They could have had an episode about the lottery ticket since it was mentioned in other episode, and made them have a few mathcing numbers and win a couple hundred dollers....

Maybe its already been asked but if Darlene was really with Mark then was it Mark and Darlenes baby?, or Becky and David? I ask only cause David and Darlene were both the parents till her last segment where she talked, and if Jackie WAS GAY then did she ever really have a baby and marry or was that just something she felt was fitting in her mind, like her daughters husband switching. And she said nothing about little Jerry (or did she?) She left the show with confusion and no room for a reunion show since it was all made up. I think Roseanne likes the idea cause she knew it would be something that would be debated and talked about for a long time.

I dont let the ending affect the way I watch the show, when it comes to season 9 I turn the show off and watch it again when it goes back to another season. I really enjoyed the show when (? season) Darlene starts dating David seriously, they move in together, she breaks up with him for that other guy, etc...

I also didnt get the point of Molly. She didnt seem to fit in anywhere. Glad she didnt last long on the show. No offense to the girl who played her, I am sure she is a good actress she was in Halloween ?

Off the subject is it me or did it seem like Jackie got really spacey and looney after she got pregnant. In early episodes she seemed to be a bit intelligent, and her biggest flaw seemed to be her lack of committment to anything, but she was able to act normal.

What happened to Crystal why did she really leave the show?

I remeber David being called Kevin once, I have read posts that say his name was Kevin David or David Kevin wondering if anyone has the real answer

Darlene was almost dumb when the show started she failed history and had trouble reading and acted up in class, when did she turn smart and start doing good in school to get a good job offer to turn down, and how come if Becky was such a good student and so smart she couldnt get a scholarship to school so her and Mark wouldnt have to take money from her parents for school? And wouldnt she qualify for financial aid since she was poor?

Was the lottery thing a reference to Bev Hillbillies or something she made several references to old shows a lot.......

[Superbatboy]

How many times does this issue have to be brought up??? The only reason why ABC even let Roseanne go through with the lottery thing is because she explained the ending to them. ABC was having second thoughts about the lottery thing, until Roseanne explain the brilliant ending.

[roseannefan55]

yup

[iloveTV]

Whether or not I found season 9 episodes the best or the finale the most fufilling I still love Roseanne. It doesn't matter to me what was going on behind the scenes. I watch it and try to see it for what it is: a TV show that makes me laugh. I personally didn't like the end, but you know what? I don't like the end of any show. It doesn't matter what they do with it or how they try to close things up, it is still an end. So, I spend less time finding things I don't like and just appreciate the things I do. I think a lot more of the shows in season 9 were more emotional for me; Darlene's delivery, Dan's affair, the finale. I'm just thankful to have an extra season of Roseanne to watch. :)

[bubblegum]

if there was no season nine we would all be typing that we want to know what Darlene and David's baby looked like and what happened to Dan. I like the last season because I saw reruns and already knew about it being Roseanne making things up.

[db108108]

The last season was very different, to say the least. I think the last season would have worked alot better than it did if the individual episodes would have been better. I mean, I wasn't necessarily offended as a fan because "Roseanne" lied to me for the entire season, I was offended as a fan because most of the 9th season episodes were horrible. I put in 8 seasons, and they give me this?! Had the show been consistantly funny, no matter what the plotline, I could have accepted the 9th season as Roseanne (the actress) meant it to be. But it wasn't, so I do feel betrayed.

The last episode works for me, but the last season sticks in my craw.

[fan912]

The last season wasn't that funny to me, but I loved the Final Episode.