"One Day..." jumped the shark when...

[Dr. Thong]

...Mackenzie Phillips left the show and Nick and Alex joined the cast.

Feel free to substitute your own reason for when you think it jumped...

[Stuck In The '70's]

It definately jumped the shark then but it got worse when Ann married Sam Royer. I like Howard Hesseman on WKRP but not on ODAAT.

[Dr. Thong]

I agree. Hesseman's much funnier as a burned-out D.J. then a nice husband. Besides, Ann marrying ruined the premise of the show and led to its demise.

:rolleyes:

[hawaii five-o]

I actually liked it better without McKenzie Phillips because we got to see more of Valerie Bertinelli. She was the girl with the real beauty and talent. It did jump when Ann married. This should have happened on the last episode.

[ClassicTV4Ever]

Originally posted by Dr. Thong
I agree. Hesseman's much funnier as a burned-out D.J. then a nice husband. Besides, Ann marrying ruined the premise of the show and led to its demise.

:rolleyes:

Not necessarily. Even though the initial plot of the show was a recently divorced woman with two teenage daughters, the show eventually had to switch focuses because both her daughters were grown up and were married (and divorced, which was Julie). I think it was a nice touch seeing her eventually marrying again.

[donald snl]

i posted my feelings about sam royer on my own thred but ill say it again sam royer is my no 1 chioce for all time sitcom jerk he rellay got o on my last nerve

[vashti1999]

It's been so long since I've seen this show I completely forgot Howard Hesseman was on there. I was a Glenn Scarpelli fan though.

[howilu]

One Day at a Time survived several shark jumps during it's long run.

1. Mackenzie Phillips leaves, returns and her character Julie gets married.
2. Barbara marries Mark.

3. Ann gets remarried to Sam.

4. And perhaps the number one shark jump, the addition of Glenn Scarpelli as Alex.

[Brian Damage]

The addition of Adrian Zhmed

[Dr. Thong]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
The addition of Adrian Zhmed

You mean the mini-Adrian Zmed!

I think the show definitely jumped when that annoying little bastard came on the show.

[Brian Damage]

agreed

[Dr. Thong]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
agreed

They should have killed him off in the same car crash that killed his Dad. Oh well, at least his dad got resurrected on Alias and several other movies as a bad guy.

:wave:

[dandelion wine]

Originally posted by Dr. Thong
...Mackenzie Phillips left the show and Nick and Alex joined the cast.

Feel free to substitute your own reason for when you think it jumped...

:nod: That's when I thought it jumped.

[APPLEI]

when alex's father nick was a killed in a druck driving accident and his mother elinor donahue(i don't know what her characters name was) who insisted that alex move into ann & barbaras apartment is when ONE DAY AT A TIME jumped the shark in my opinion!
it was the bringing the new child into a sitcom to refresh the series cliche again!
i did'nt like howard hesseman as sam royer either.
he was too conservative and unentertaining in that role!
but i loved him on WKRP IN CINCINNATI as dr. johnny fever!

[Dr. Thong]

APPLEI,

Don't count on WKRP coming out on DVD in the near future...if ever.

They don't have the rights to the music they originally used and would have to pay a fortune in licensing fees or re-dub all of the episodes with new music.

It's too much money either way and too labor-intensive to redub, so unless you believe in miracles, forget about it.

[mstewart]

1. The ninth season. The show was on its last legs and it was showing.

2. The show lost its drive when MacKenzie Phillips became too strung out on drugs and was removed from the show (twice that was).

3. The addition of Nick and Alex. There were no romantic chemistry between Ann and Nick. Huge mistake romantically linking them.

[APPLEI]

Originally posted by Dr. Thong
APPLEI,

Don't count on WKRP coming out on DVD in the near future...if ever.

They don't have the rights to the music they originally used and would have to pay a fortune in licensing fees or re-dub all of the episodes with new music.

It's too much money either way and too labor-intensive to redub, so unless you believe in miracles, forget about it.

yes dr. thong
i know its a longshot
but i do believe in miracles!
i noticed FOXDVD is considering releasing "the wonder years" on dvd and it has as much copyrighted music as "wkrp in cincinnati"!
i also noticed paramount is considering releasing "happy days" and "laverne and shirley" on dvd and they have alot of copyrighted music in most episodes!
my "blues brothers" and "american graffiti" dvds have all original music on them or atleast to the best of my knowledge they do.
i would be willing to pay extra to get all 90 episodes of wkrp in cincinnati on dvd with original music even if its a limited edition release.

i'm not giving up hope
i look forword to talking to you "dr. thong" on the wkrp in cincinnati board in the near future

[Dr. Thong]

Originally posted by APPLEI
yes dr. thong
i know its a longshot
but i do believe in miracles!

Hey, that's cool too. You never know, it could happen. The Eagles said back in the eighties that hell would freeze over before they got back together. And what was the name of their comeback album...Hell Freezes Over.

Like Peter Gabriel once said, "Don't Give Up."

I would love to see WKRP on DVD, but it would have to have the original music. I read that the music they substituted for syndicated reruns changed the feel of the scenes.

[ThomasE]

Mac Phillips helped make the show and was missed when she was gone.

[Dr. Thong]

Originally posted by ThomasE
Mac Phillips helped make the show and was missed when she was gone.

In basically any show, once key members of the original cast start leaving, the show begins its decline.

Once The Ropers left Three's Company, the decline began and when Suzanne Somers was fired, the show was pretty much over.

[PracTz]

I've gotta say that Howard Hessman playing Sam Royer had to be one of the lowest point in a tv acting career ever! The viewers could tell he was doing it solely for the money and had no real liking for the role. I mean, did anyone think it was possible that Dr. Johnny Fever could have sired and raised such a square bore as Barbara's husband?

[mstewart]

Here's when the show started the shark jump:
MacKenzie Phillips being fired for the first time for her drug addiction. The first season without her the void was felt. Nick and Alex was not the one. They did a lousy job filling the void.
Nick and Ann's relationship. There was no romantic chemistry between those two. I hated the character of Nick. He was such male chauvenistic jerk.
Ann being guardian to Alex after his father died. That was so far fetched. In reality Alex would had been sent to a relative for his upbringing. Not someone his father was romantically involved with.
The second to the last season of the series. It seems like that whole season was dealing with major transitions of the characters of the show. It started with Mark and Barbara's wedding, Julie giving birth to her child, Max and Julie moving back to Indianapolis so that Max can attempt to be a writer, Ann meeting, dating and eventually marrying her son-in-law's father and Barbara and Julie, along with their husbands, renting a house together. The plots that was so far fetched that season was the first time Ann meets Sam, Mark's father, she sleeps with him. HELLO many middle adults do not get involve immediately like that. Max quitting his steady job with the airlines to become a writer was so far fetched. What kind of wife would support such an illogical decision???

[Tweety]

Excellent points, everyone -

too many shark jumps to count...

Story wise, I liked the early episodes... but I still watched after many of the jump the shark moments, because Valerie Bertinelli kept getting more and more beautiful every year...

So even after Julie left the show, and Glenn "the pest" Scarpelli moved in, and Max and Mark came on to the scene, I still watched for a while, just to see Valerie...

Ah, Valerie Bertinelli... the Mary Ann / Ginger of Indianapolis

:loveya:

[Stuck In The '70's]

Originally posted by Tweety
Excellent points, everyone -

too many shark jumps to count...

Story wise, I liked the early episodes... but I still watched after many of the jump the shark moments, because Valerie Bertinelli kept getting more and more beautiful every year...

So even after Julie left the show, and Glenn "the pest" Scarpelli moved in, and Max and Mark came on to the scene, I still watched for a while, just to see Valerie...

Ah, Valerie Bertinelli... the Mary Ann / Ginger of Indianapolis

:loveya:
And even after it jumped the shark it was still watchable. I agree with you about Valerie.

[Dr. Thong]

Originally posted by mr roper

And even after it jumped the shark it was still watchable. I agree with you about Valerie.

I remember being slightly shocked when I read that in real-life that Valerie smoked. I remember reading the TV Guide article where she realized she was smoking in front of an interviewer and asked the reporter not to write that she smoked.

Compared to what MacKenzie was doing, pretty tame stuff.

[Tweety]

Originally posted by Dr. Thong
I remember being slightly shocked when I read that in real-life that Valerie smoked. I remember reading the TV Guide article where she realized she was smoking in front of an interviewer and asked the reporter not to write that she smoked.

Compared to what MacKenzie was doing, pretty tame stuff.

Wow, that's funny...

But lest we forget, at the time ODAAT ran, Valerie B was considered to be the absolute perfect, all American girl... so at least for a while, she probably wanted to maintain that image (not that she's still not an All American Girl, but she did marry Eddie Van Halen...who could have predicted that at the time?)

[Dr. Thong]

Originally posted by Tweety
Wow, that's funny...

But lest we forget, at the time ODAAT ran, Valerie B was considered to be the absolute perfect, all American girl... so at least for a while, she probably wanted to maintain that image (not that she's still not an All American Girl, but she did marry Eddie Van Halen...who could have predicted that at the time?)

I believe the article came out the same year she married Eddie. In fact, the name of the article was "Careful, Honey - don't slip off that pedestal."

I'm sure her feelings about her image derived from the fact that MacKenzie Phillips had gone off the deep end with drugs.