Gay...

[bjorkish]

I hear so many people complain about the way that the show portrays gay people. I am gay and I really don't have a problem with it at all. The people who say that are those small-minded ones. The ones that I can't stand. I think the way gay people are portrayed is fine. And I can't figure out what the big deal is about it.

[Will and Grace Fanatic]

People complain way to much. There are actually some gay men who do find comfort in their female friends. They are just protraying a good friendship that a man and woman can have without it involving sex.

[omalleyfan]

Originally posted by Will and Grace Fanatic
People complain way to much. There are actually some gay men who do find comfort in their female friends. They are just protraying a good friendship that a man and woman can have without it involving sex.

I agree with that. I am a bisexual male, but I have always had problems with dating guys who have really close "*** hags". I know a lot of them are sane and normal about it, but I always pick the ones who have the psychos who for some reason don't realize their gay friends are not their boyfriends. The last guy I was interested in's "hag" was very rude, stuck-up and nasty, and then the guy told me to go to hell because I was just as nasty to her as she was toward me.

[BlueEyesKid]

I know! Everyone says thinks that gay people should be like Jack instead of Will, that gay people don't "act" like Will...well, just like hetero's, homosexuals come in all shapes, sizes, colours, and all are unique. The stereotypical Gay person is Jack, well Will is more of an eye opener...in my opinion.

[spookystarbuck]

I know, I do know quite a few gay men who are like Jack however the lad I know who is one of my best mates is TOTALLY straight but I swear, our relationship is just like Will&Grace's. That's partly why I like the programme, it is funny to see what WE do.
lol.

[Moonshadow]

I don't have a problem with it either.

[spookystarbuck]

by the way, you'll probably know more than me but why do female friends of a gay male get called "hags"?
Please respond!

[Moonshadow]

Originally posted by spookystarbuck
by the way, you'll probably know more than me but why do female friends of a gay male get called "hags"?
Please respond!

lol

[spookystarbuck]

No, seriously. I wasn't joking. I really don't know and I got called one today by one of my mates.
I take it it's a derrogitary (sp?) thing then?

[Jordan]

Ignorant people just don't want to see gay people on tv. Period. There is nothing wrong with the way the characters are portrayed -- every one is entirely different, just like every one human on this planet is.

[Dean Winchester]

I personally think the problem gays have with this show is the same problem that a lot of African-American's had with Cosby Show in the 80's. It seems like everything is "straight-washed" on this show and that's probably the prob a lot of us have.

With shows like Queer As Folk, Six Feet Under and Boy Meets Boy on television, W&G is hardly "groundbreaking gay television". Plus I don't like the way how Will actually makes sure Grace approves of men he's dating. I've encountered men like that in real life and because of this, I refuse to date guys who let their hags tell them who they can and cannot date, unless their hags are married and/or have kids... because they aren't as bad as the single ones are, since I know a lot of those type of girls who secretly have crushes on their gay friends and would rather have them single than in love (speaking from personal experience... not a generalization)

[Superbatboy]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
I personally think the problem gays have with this show is the same problem that a lot of African-American's had with Cosby Show in the 80's. It seems like everything is "straight-washed" on this show and that's probably the prob a lot of us have.



Funny how you say that about The Cosby Show. It's true that a lot of black people complained that the show was "too white", but I don't know one black person around my age (21) that didn't grow up watching that show with their parents. So really it goes to show you that the ones complaining the most are the ones watching the most.

[call.me.karen]

i love the episode where jack and will have to haul karen's mom in law to the bar with them and when she realizes that will and jack are gay "oh my god...i'm a f a g hag!"

[jayman75]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79

With shows like Queer As Folk, Six Feet Under and Boy Meets Boy on television, W&G is hardly "groundbreaking gay television". Plus I don't like the way how Will actually makes sure Grace approves of men he's dating. I've encountered men like that in real life and because of this, I refuse to date guys who let their hags tell them who they can and cannot date, unless their hags are married and/or have kids... because they aren't as bad as the single ones are, since I know a lot of those type of girls who secretly have crushes on their gay friends and would rather have them single than in love (speaking from personal experience... not a generalization)

A couple things here...

1. QAF, SFU and BMB came after W&G. It did break ground for those shows. Granted, something with a gay theme would have appeared on primetime network TV eventually, but someone had to get the thing started.

2. The comment about Grace liking Will's men is a character issue. He still isn't over his last guy that he was with for several years. As confident as Will is about work, his friends, his humor, etc., he has no dating self-confidence at all.

Someone asked about this...

3. "Hag" is used because is rhymes with an improper nickname of gays. 'Nuf said.

[spectrum]

Please just leave those narrow minded people alone. Their unreasonable fear to gay people will not change them. What we, gay people, need to do just stay in positive attitudes, don't bitch, and leave the drama just for the Hollywood. Remember, we don't request for sympathy nor we need one. Being gay is not a crime and not a bad influence either. Let's don't encourage hates and start to care to each other. I hope Will & Grace sitcom will help more people to be more open minded. Thank you.

Peace

[EricIdlefan]

I think the gay thing actually started with the Tom Hanks-Denzel Washington "Philadelphia" movie!! Had the show been in the 1980's there would be an uproar because of "politically incorrectness and/or censorship!!" Now it is like "So you are gay!! So what else is new?? Here are gay shows other than W&G:

Queer As Folk
Ellen(groundbreaking show that started the gay thing!!)
Six Feet Under
Some of the contestants on Survivor(particularly Richard Hatch)

[SPLAIN]

There were gay characters on tv decades ago, ever hear of Jody on Soap, Billy Crystal portrayed that character for years. They wanted Will and Grace to succeed so they made them average every day people and then they pushed the envelope every single year. The thing about the show is thatit is FUNNY, nothing else matters. One of the few shows on tv that actually makes me laugh out loud sometimes.

[lieferic]

Will & Grace was ground breaking when first aired. How could a gay themed show ever make it on broadcast TV? The deception was gay themed. The show was never gay themed, it had gay characters that were written very safely. All the relationships were heterosexual and they showed them to us over the years, the gay relationships were talked about, Michael and Will. The same sex kisses have occured with the straight characters mostly Karen and Grace. The show is a sitcom and they have used Jack as a punchline for his extreme stereotype. Will is just there, the "straight" man for Grace. There was more gay content on "Dynasty" 20 years ago, remember Stephen Colby? At least he had a life.

The reason why Will & Grace has made it, because it is funny. Karen and Grace are the stars of the show and Will has to announce his sexuality or nobody would know he is gay and Jack plays the sissy clown. Safe for America to consume.

[db108108]

Will & Grace is just that, gay-lite. Easy for viewers to swallow. If it were to actually show two men kissing in a loving way (and not joking way, like Will & Jack have), then it would be groundbreaking But alas, W&G is not this show.

That's why I loved the last season of Ellen so much. When Ellen kissed Laurie, it wasn't done for shock value or for laughs, it was done because they loved each other. Now THAT was groundbreaking.

That said, W&G remains popular because it's funny. It broke out of the box because it was well written and well acted and too funny to ignore, although it's been losing that charm lately.

[Salem]

I love this show, but personally, I think that Will & Grace act too much like boyfriend and girlfriend. And I'm still waiting for a gay character (anywhere) to not fit any of the stereotypes. Will is a bit of a start, but he's very stereotypical.

And I agree with db108108: "Will & Grace is just that, gay-lite. Easy for viewers to swallow. If it were to actually show two men kissing in a loving way (and not joking way, like Will & Jack have), then it would be groundbreaking But alas, W&G is not this show."

It was good when Will was dating Barry and gave him a "hello kiss" (http://www.geocities.com/wgjkfiles4/wbkissage.jpg). But I think it's way too unbalanced (comedy's fine, but homosexuality has to do with love just like heterosexuality - if Grace can kiss her boyfriend/husband, etc. without it being funny, I don't see why it can't be the same with Will). And I also feel that they need tospend more time on Will's lovelife because it's in the background of Grace's. And I think the show could have done without having Will be "girly" (example: he talks about using facial masks and his voice goes up quite high, among other things - this should be what Jack does, not Will. Stereotype balancing is not the shows strongest suit.

Even though this bother's me a little, I still love everything else about the show.
:wave:

[Buttons]

I've never liked the rhyming of F*g and hag myself, I too feel it is derogatory. The fact that a straight woman enjoys the company of a gay male should not be spoken of in such a demeaning manner.

What a straight woman receives from a gay male for the most part is honesty. They don't have to lie to each other and play the dating game with the sexual tension. Interacting with a male on this level is very relaxing, you receive the male view without the coloration's.

In the new age reality we are cruising into, this is perfection in a male/female relationship. Where the male/female energies blend without trespassing on each other's space, or sucking like vampires the gender energy of the other.

This energy vampirism is the reason why such a large number of couples end in divorce at the 4 year mark, they sucked each other dry and it's time to move on to new fodder/victims.

I was in love with my gay dance partner. He was great, we shared the same love of fashion, cooking, art, etc. He made it very clear that he was looking for "Daddy" and I should do the same. He was both of the stereotypical gays portrayed in this show. You would not know to look or speak to him until he put on his drag show.

Sexuality is an interesting topic. I'm of the belief that we reincarnate and that we do not always retain the same gender. So when I meet my lover of many life times on the astral plane we often switch genders. For a while I had a hard time getting him to be the male, but he's content to share the joys of the female body more evenly these days. One might say the novelty wore off a little bit.

Neither of us are gay,
it is the way we share the male/female energy
in our sexual play.

Guess this is the close of my Sunday sermon.