look at dis

[fluffy-bun]

who likes eminem? and if so do u like lose urself?:wave: :happyface :cool: :D :rolleyes: :talk: :crazy: :lol: ;) :) :p this is a pic of me im the small 1 if ya like me plz message bac!!!!!

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

I like Eminem alright but he's not the best rapper to me I do like Loose Yourself, its better than Cleaning Out My Closet which he sounds warped and nasal in, while actually he does in Lose Yourself, but my fav. song is My Name Is and Forgot About Dre.

[David]

I hate Eminem...

[Brandon]

Originally posted by SomersCompany3
I hate Eminem...

cuz dumb american idol has warped your fragile little mind.

[Mr. Stefani]

I do. except for the fact that he ruined "Dream On"

[~*Hannah_Lee*~]

He's okay. I dont really like rap though.

[Hollow]

i like him

[Faith]

I like Eminem, my favorite songs by him are: Lose Yourself, White America, My Dad's Gone Crazy and Cleaning out my Closet.

[*ShortCake*]

He's not my cup of tea...... lol

[Kay Scarpetta]

I dunno. He's alright, I guess. My opinion on him changes like the wind, but for right now I can tolerate him.

[ABlairican Pie]

I dunno, but IRON MAN AND EDDY SURE LIKE EMINEM.........WHEN THEY'RE TEARING HIS DRUMSTICKS LIMB FROM LIMB AND DUNKING THEM IN A TANGY HONEY BARBECUE SAUCE.....

(Eddy=see avatar.)

[Gorgeous Kelsy]

Im a huge Eminem fan even though I hate rap a whole lot more and now he's the only one i like beside 2pac and nas and beside 50 cent sometimes

[Fez619]

People hate Eminem because he was a fad. And people think if they like a fad they won't be considered, "cool." Eminem is the second best rap artist of all time, behind 2pac.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Fez619
People hate Eminem because he was a fad. And people think if they like a fad they won't be considered, "cool." Eminem is the second best rap artist of all time, behind 2pac.

Eminem was a fad?

So this means when his next cd comes out, people aren't going to jump on the bandwagon and act like he's so great and give him tons of Grammy and VMA's? All Eminem ever did was insult people and people thought it was so great because he was ballsy. That VMA stunt in 2002 showed exactly what kind of pisspoor individual he is. He sure can give it, but he can't take it. And you ever notice he always preyed on the "weak", people like Moby who wouldn't be able to take him in a fight. You'd never see Eminem bashing someone who could beat the living crap out of him. Why is that? Oh yea, Eminem's an insecure jerk who picks on others he considers weaker than him to boost his ego.

[BowWowsBaby]

I "strongly dislike" eminem....the whiny bastard needs to get a set of balls

[vashti1999]

Fez619, see what happens when you bump up threads that were dead for a year and a half?

[musicradio77]

Not a big fan of Eminem. I heard one song that I recalled one time that the song "The Real Slim Shady" had a reference from a game show that I remember called "To Tell the Truth".

[Fez619]

Yeah it is kind of bad that he can dish out insults but not take them but the majority of people are like that in this world.

But, I'm not talking about that I'm talking about his rapping talent. If you don't think he is good than your ****ing moron because he has a lot of talent. It doesn't matter what you think of him as a person. Because I wasn't talking about him as a person.

[theanswerman]

Originally posted by fluffy-bun
who likes eminem? and if so do u like lose urself?:wave: :happyface :cool: :D :rolleyes: :talk: :crazy: :lol: ;) :) this is a pic of me im the small 1 if ya like me plz message bac!!!!!

please type correctly

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Fez619
But, I'm not talking about that I'm talking about his rapping talent. If you don't think he is good than your ****ing moron because he has a lot of talent. It doesn't matter what you think of him as a person. Because I wasn't talking about him as a person.

I'm a moron because I don't see talent in "blah blah blah BEAT UP ALL THE ***S blah blah" "blah blah MY EX WIFE IS A WHORE AND WANNA PUNCH HER blah blah" "blah blah MOBY MADE A COMMENT THAT HE'S OFFENDED BY MY HOMOPHOBIC LYRICS, SO **** HIM AND I'LL KICK HIS ***GY TECHNO ASS BUT IF SOMEONE ATTACKS ME FOR IT I'LL GET ALL VICIOUS blah blah"?

considering I don't even like rap music (and when I do, it's reserved for the likes of Outkast and Busta Rhymes), why SHOULD I like Eminem? I am gay, so why should I support and respect someone who has set the gay rights movement back 20 years by teaching kids it's okay to use the word "***"? Even bypassing that, I hate the way he bashes other artists, when 9 out of 10 times, the artists he bashes I actually prefer to Eminem.

[Mossopp]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
why SHOULD I like Eminem? I am gay, so why should I support and respect someone who has set the gay rights movement back 20 years by teaching kids it's okay to use the word "***"? Even bypassing that, I hate the way he bashes other artists, when 9 out of 10 times, the artists he bashes I actually prefer to Eminem.

I agree with you.
Not only am I gay, I am also a woman which makes me pretty much number 1 on Mr Mathers "Things I Hate" list. Why should I listen to an "artist" whose lyrics suggest, with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, that he rather wishes that people like myself were dead?!
It sickens me that children are not only listening to this sh#te but worshipping and aspiring to be like Eminem and his cronies! What sickens me more is that he can write lines like:

"My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That'll stab you in the head
whether you're a f@g or lez
Or a homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-ves
Pants or dress - hate f@gs? The answer's "yes""

and noone has any problem but when it's rumoured that he made one derogatory comment about black people when he was a teenager the media tear him apart and force him to publicly apologise! Where's my f##king apology?! :mad:
Eminem is not talented. He's an ignorant thug who just happened to be in the right place at the right time when the record deals were being handed out!

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Mossopp
I agree with you.
Not only am I gay, I am also a woman which makes me pretty much number 1 on Mr Mathers "Things I Hate" list. Why should I listen to an "artist" whose lyrics suggest, with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, that he rather wishes that people like myself were dead?!
It sickens me that children are not only listening to this sh#te but worshipping and aspiring to be like Eminem and his cronies! What sickens me more is that he can write lines like:

"My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That'll stab you in the head
whether you're a f@g or lez
Or a homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-ves
Pants or dress - hate f@gs? The answer's "yes""

and noone has any problem but when it's rumoured that he made one derogatory comment about black people when he was a teenager the media tear him apart and force him to publicly apologise! Where's my f##king apology?! :mad:
Eminem is not talented. He's an ignorant thug who just happened to be in the right place at the right time when the record deals were being handed out!

exactly. I agree with you on all points. I am sorry, I fail to see the "talent" just because Eminem comes out and says things that shouldn't be said. He owes females and gays an apology just like he owed one to the African-American community.

I am not a huge Moby fan, but I HATE Eminem for the way he destroyed Moby's career over one song. Moby merely attacked Eminem for his homophobic and misogynistic lyrics. Weird because Moby is someone who is a humanist and really wants to make the world a better place while Eminem is nothing more than an overgrown 5th grade bully.

I love how when Justin Timberlake was a boyband member, Eminem rode him on and on... but then he went solo, shaved his head and adopted a "tougher" more butch image... and suddenly the same guy who was bashing him and calling him a ***** was now acting respectful to him. Why, was he afraid maybe now Justin could take him in a fight? I loved it when teen pop was big, he was "I wanna help bring REAL music back", now I agreed with his statements, but if I have to choose the worst of the teen pop or the majority (even tho I do like Outkast and Busta) of the hip hop crap, I would rather go for the teen pop.

I am sorry, I will never understand this so-called talent. Has Eminem written any lyrics that aren't either "____ sucks" or "my life sucks and my mom and wife are filthy whores". Sorry, the man hasn't done anything to get respect from me, SO WHY SHOULD I RESPECT HIM?

[Fez619]

First off he doesn't have to apologize for anything. Thats how he feels, and nobody should have to apologize for how they feel. Whether how he feels is right or wrong. Also, the comment he made about blacks was a mistake of his. Everybody at that age says something they wish they hadn't because they said it out of anger. It doesn't mean he feels that way. He had a black girlfriend and she broke up with him so he was mad. He shouldn't of said, and he knows he shouldn't.

The thing with the kids listening to it. Thats their parents faults. They should be more responsible in making sure they don't. Cashiers should make sure no one under 17 buys the record.

He is talented. There is not a lot of people who can rap the way he does, or put together rhymes together the way he does. It may seem easy but its not. Its kind like how I feel about ballet dancers I don't think they have any talent because I hate ballet, I think its stupid. But just because I don't like it doesn't mean they have no talent. They do. So does Eminem whether you like what he does, or what he says.

Rapping is his way of expressing himself. When he was younger he got beat up all the time even one time getting sent into a coma, and on top of that he had a crappy ass mom, and family. So, rapping the one thing he can do let out all his anger that he has held inside and of course people have a problem with it. Nonbody else likes when they get ridiculed for expressing themselves, so why should he? Because he says things you don't agree with? So what! Get over it. Like he has said many times don't take what says in his songs as what he means they are usually a joke.

Why should you respect him? For the same reason someone would respect Michael Jordan. They do stuff not everyone can do.

You people are not open minded enough to see that he is talented whether you agree or not with what he says, or does.

[Mossopp]

Originally posted by Fez619
First off he doesn't have to apologize for anything. Thats how he feels, and nobody should have to apologize for how they feel. Whether how he feels is right or wrong. Also, the comment he made about blacks was a mistake of his. Everybody at that age says something they wish they hadn't because they said it out of anger. It doesn't mean he feels that way. He had a black girlfriend and she broke up with him so he was mad. He shouldn't of said, and he knows he shouldn't.

You are correct - Eminem should not have said what he did about black women. He also should not say the things he says about gay people and women in general. You cannot use the defense "nobody should have to apologise for how they feel". Think of it on a larger scale - when Hitler sent all those Jews off to die in the concentration camps was it ok because "that was just how he felt"? Everyone has an opinion, yes, but that does not overrule a little concept we human's have called right and wrong!
So he made the comments about his black ex-girlfriend out of anger? Maybe he should think before he speaks in future. Again, his anger or his age at the time is no excuse for racism.

Originally posted by Fez619
The thing with the kids listening to it. Thats their parents faults. They should be more responsible in making sure they don't. Cashiers should make sure no one under 17 buys the record.

I agree with you on this point. There should be stronger guidelines in place to stop children getting access to unsuitable material. If I were a parent I wouldn't necessarily prevent my child from listening to Eminem if thats what he/she wanted to do. However, I would make it very, very clear to my child that his views are not to be taken seriously.

Originally posted by Fez619
He is talented. There is not a lot of people who can rap the way he does, or put together rhymes together the way he does. It may seem easy but its not. Its kind like how I feel about ballet dancers I don't think they have any talent because I hate ballet, I think its stupid. But just because I don't like it doesn't mean they have no talent. They do. So does Eminem whether you like what he does, or what he says.

I can see the point you are trying to make. I'm not saying that Eminem is completely talentless, but his constant use of profanity and violent imagery detracts somewhat from any real lyrical skill he may have. Someone who uses the word "f#ck" so frequently can hardly claim to be the most eloquent individual, can they? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Fez619
Rapping is his way of expressing himself. When he was younger he got beat up all the time even one time getting sent into a coma, and on top of that he had a crappy ass mom, and family. So, rapping the one thing he can do let out all his anger that he has held inside and of course people have a problem with it. Nonbody else likes when they get ridiculed for expressing themselves, so why should he? Because he says things you don't agree with? So what! Get over it. Like he has said many times don't take what says in his songs as what he means they are usually a joke.

Again, none of this is an acceptable excuse. I was tormented all through-out school aswell, my parents aren't exactly the best in the world either but you know what? - I got over it! And I certainly didn't take it out, verbally or otherwise, on people who didn't deserve it! So his mother neglected him - does that explain why he felt he had to try and ruin Moby or Fred Durst's careers? So his wife cheated on him - does that explain why he writes such vile hateful material about gay people (or "f#cking f#ggots" as he prefers to call them)? I've been hurt by women too but that doesn't give me the right to generalise them all as cheating whores!

Originally posted by Fez619
Why should you respect him? For the same reason someone would respect Michael Jordan. They do stuff not everyone can do.

I'll respect his "talent" the day he respects me as a human being and not one of his disgusting labels!

Originally posted by Fez619
You people are not open minded enough to see that he is talented whether you agree or not with what he says, or does.

No, I AM open-minded. It's people like Eminem, who can't see past their own hang-ups and prejudice, that are not.

Let me ask you one thing - how would you feel if you were part of one of the minority groups that Eminem frequently takes shots at? Would he still be such a hero for you if he wrote a song about how he'd love to stick a knife in your head?

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Fez619
First off he doesn't have to apologize for anything. Thats how he feels, and nobody should have to apologize for how they feel. Whether how he feels is right or wrong. Also, the comment he made about blacks was a mistake of his. Everybody at that age says something they wish they hadn't because they said it out of anger. It doesn't mean he feels that way. He had a black girlfriend and she broke up with him so he was mad. He shouldn't of said, and he knows he shouldn't.

isn't that a double standard? he makes fun of white women all the time, but dare he make fun of a black woman and all hell breaks loose?

Originally posted by Fez619
Rapping is his way of expressing himself. When he was younger he got beat up all the time even one time getting sent into a coma, and on top of that he had a crappy ass mom, and family. So, rapping the one thing he can do let out all his anger that he has held inside and of course people have a problem with it. Nonbody else likes when they get ridiculed for expressing themselves, so why should he? Because he says things you don't agree with? So what! Get over it. Like he has said many times don't take what says in his songs as what he means they are usually a joke.

I am willing to bet the moment Eminem attacks whatever you are, you're going to boycott him and hate his guts. So don't tell women and gays they should respect a man who'd rather have us dead. If it's a valid excuse for gay people to hate George W. Bush, why can't it be okay for us to hate Eminem? they're basically the same just in different mediums.

Apparently his FANS do take what he says seriously. I popped over his AOL board back in late 2002 (right after the VMA's) just to see how his fans were going to react over his meltdown on the MTV VMA's, and so many of his fans said stuff like "Moby is a ***" and throwing the word "***" around like it was no big deal. We all know they got it from the fact that Eminem made them feel it was okay to use it. You won't see fans of a more openminded embracive artists spewing that hateful word (we hate seeing straight people use the word as much as black people hate seeing white people use the word that begins with N)

Originally posted by Fez619
Why should you respect him? For the same reason someone would respect Michael Jordan. They do stuff not everyone can do.

You people are not open minded enough to see that he is talented whether you agree or not with what he says, or does.

oh hell, I don't even listen to rap and I can tell Jay-Z is more talented than Eminem is. 99 Problems alone is better than the entire Eminem catalog.

I have TRIED to give Eminem a chance. When "Without Me" came out, I even decided "you know, I'll put past differences aside and try to like this" but that ended as soon as he started on his rant about Moby... someone who actually appreciates music as an artform... does Eminem? hell no.

if anyone is not being openminded. It is Eminem. He spreads hate for women, gays and celebrities he doesn't deem fit in his little hip hop world (I hate rappers who think their music is better than everything else... especially when you see some rappers who can actually embrace other styles of music).

Once again, when someone comes out and attacks everything YOU stand for, are you going to sit around and go "man, he wants me dead... BUT HE'S SO TALENTED"??? hell no you won't.

[Fez619]

Don't compare Eminem to Hitler. Eminem talks, and Hitler did more than talk he did stuff. Your right he should the difference between right and wrong but he isn't the only who says these things yet he is the only one who gets ridiculed for it. Well, I guess it makes sense because of his popularity. For what he said about a black women and that age wasn't an excuse. Everybody does it so why should be the one looked down at for it when everyone is guilty of it.

The only reason he says these things about gays, and killing people is because it gets people to talk, it gets people mad, and it works. If people wouldn't get mad, or wouldn't talk about it he wouldn't say it. He lives off of controversy, and the more people react the more he'll do it.

He is far from my hero. I like listening to his music because I enjoy it, and I think its great, and funny. Whether or not I agree with what he says. Don't take it as a hit at you just let it go because the only way anyone is going to make him stop is not react to it.

[Fez619]

BuffySlayer79, you are taking what he says too seriously. If you don't like it then don't listen to it. You are doing exactly what he wants and that is getting mad about it. He is all talk. Ever heard of thing called sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me? That be a bit childish but its true. So...he says something about your sexuality..so what. If you're going to let one guy offend you this much then your going to be offended the rest of your life. Because if you haven't figured it out yet if your gay you will be made fun of whether its wrong or not. Its like racism, blacks will be made fun of forever because people are stubborn, and cruel. But, you have to deal with it or else your letting them win. I'm not racist, and I don't dislike homosexuals for the simple reason they are just like me but have different interests. Thats all I have to say about that. You are doing exactly what he tries to do.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
Eminem was a fad?

So this means when his next cd comes out, people aren't going to jump on the bandwagon and act like he's so great and give him tons of Grammy and VMA's? All Eminem ever did was insult people and people thought it was so great because he was ballsy. That VMA stunt in 2002 showed exactly what kind of pisspoor individual he is. He sure can give it, but he can't take it. And you ever notice he always preyed on the "weak", people like Moby who wouldn't be able to take him in a fight. You'd never see Eminem bashing someone who could beat the living crap out of him. Why is that? Oh yea, Eminem's an insecure jerk who picks on others he considers weaker than him to boost his ego. I so agree. He couldnt even handle a damn puppet. Hell, MTV took out that whole scene! Conan re-aired it though and had Triumph on, it was funny.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

I gotta agree with Mossop and BuffySlayer79 on everything. Now that you guys point it out, it is true that he makes fun of those who cant really defend themselves. He also seems to dish out on the ones who are competition to him. Back in 2000, pop was the thing- NSYNC were the biggest things out there and Im sure Eminem felt threatened since fans of Eminem and NSYNC stem from the same age group - teens. Same with Britney and Christina. Im not a big fan of Moby, but I do remember him being pretty popular too. He feels threatened by them, and if hes 'stronger' than them.. hes going to chew them up and spit them out. Evidently, Eminem has to be doing something right though because he is selling albums. He gets tons of media attention for the things he says and Im sure he likes it- good or bad, whatever it is, it keeps him in the limelight. Though I wonder if say, Justin Timberlake, Usher, or someone else like them started saying crap like Eminem, if people would react in the same way. "Oh, I respect him for speaking his mind", etc. I doubt it.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by ¤I Love Clay Aiken¤
I so agree. He couldnt even handle a damn puppet. Hell, MTV took out that whole scene! Conan re-aired it though and had Triumph on, it was funny.

I know, he should've handled it with more dignity and class than he did.

Eminem could've been a sport and played along with Triumph instead of showing that he is not a fair game. I honestly couldn't believe some of his fans stood by him over that. If my favorite artist just made a huge ass of him or herself on national television, I wouldn't defend the person the way a lot of Eminem fans were over it. Eminem took his Moby hate way too far. All Moby did was say he wasn't a fan of the misogynistic and homophobic lyrics Eminem represents... and Eminem took that as a "wait, he's defending the ***s and the bitches? maybe I should slander him then".

What Moby said was hardly justification for what Eminem did to him. Moby was just trying to be an upright moral citizen standing up and saying he doesn't like what Eminem is standing for (Madonna actually lost quite a few gay fans over defending Eminem's Freedom Of Speech... so I think Moby was doing it to make sure he doesn't alienate any fanbases (since he got his big break in techno music... a genre largely associated with gays and lesbians).

[robyrob]

Originally posted by Fez619
BuffySlayer79, you are taking what he says too seriously. If you don't like it then don't listen to it. You are doing exactly what he wants and that is getting mad about it. He is all talk. Ever heard of thing called sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me? That be a bit childish but its true. So...he says something about your sexuality..so what. eminiem is doing more than "talk" - he is essentially misleading children to believe that it is alright to hate gays, women, blacks, and whoever else gets on his nerves at the moment, and even worse he preaches violence against them

I fail to see how that is harmless, or why anyone he attacks wouldn't be offended by it, whether he knows how to rhyme or not. Just because you can preach hate over a catchy rythym doesnt make it right.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by robyrob
eminiem is doing more than "talk" - he is essentially misleading children to believe that it is alright to hate gays, women, blacks, and whoever else gets on his nerves at the moment, and even worse he preaches violence against them

I fail to see how that is harmless, or why anyone he attacks wouldn't be offended by it, whether he knows how to rhyme or not. Just because you can preach hate over a catchy rythym doesnt make it right.


that is exactly my issue over it. I know Eminem isn't the only rapper who has homophobic lyrics, but he is the only one who is popular to kids as young as third grade. Kids mimic the rock and rap stars they see on MTV. They see what Eminem says, and then suddenly take his word as gospel because he's "Cool".

I remember someone pointing out that his 10 year old nephew was "Moby sucks!!!", and then he asked the nephew why he doesn't like Moby, and he said "because Eminem says so", and then he asked if he heard any of Moby's music, and the kid said no. Not exactly the best example, but it does show how much influence Eminem has over younger kids.

Whereas an artist popular mostly to high school and college students won't usually have the same affect because we're old enough to make up our own opinions.

[BowWowsBaby]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
that is exactly my issue over it. I know Eminem isn't the only rapper who has homophobic lyrics, but he is the only one who is popular to kids as young as third grade. Kids mimic the rock and rap stars they see on MTV. They see what Eminem says, and then suddenly take his word as gospel because he's "Cool".

I remember someone pointing out that his 10 year old nephew was "Moby sucks!!!", and then he asked the nephew why he doesn't like Moby, and he said "because Eminem says so", and then he asked if he heard any of Moby's music, and the kid said no. Not exactly the best example, but it does show how much influence Eminem has over younger kids.

Whereas an artist popular mostly to high school and college students won't usually have the same affect because we're old enough to make up our own opinions.

And the worst part is, eminem is in every magazine targeted at kids and pre-teens. For example, I picked up and was looking at "Pop Star" magazine and eminem was in it...it's just disgusting.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by BowWowsBaby
And the worst part is, eminem is in every magazine targeted at kids and pre-teens. For example, I picked up and was looking at "Pop Star" magazine and eminem was in it...it's just disgusting.

yep. Eminem is marketed to kids as cool, as opposed to being someone they find cool on their own tho meant for adults.

For example, Marilyn Manson used to be really popular back around 1997-1998, and a lot of kids thought he was cool for his shock value, but never once did you see Marilyn gracing the covers of magazines like Bop and Teen Beat alongside Hanson and the Backstreet Boys. Eminem's mug is always placed next to Justin Timberlake and Usher on today's teen mags.

[Fez619]

So...you blame Em because he is on every teen magazine? How? He wants to sell music, and make money, and by putting him out there in the news in the magazines, and making people talk he is making money. It's not his fault that parents aren't responsible to monitor what they kids are consuming into their minds. Eminem isn't misleading anyone, it all comes back to the parents. Its the parents problem what their kids hear, and do. Don't blame Em for that. People always blame somebody else, and Eminem is the person parents blame for what their kids do because their not responsible enough to monitor their kids. People blame Britney Spears for how their daughters dress. Sex sells, and thats how they make money. Its anyones fault except for the parents.

"I fail to see how that is harmless, or why anyone he attacks wouldn't be offended by it, whether he knows how to rhyme or not. Just because you can preach hate over a catchy rythym doesnt make it right."

Because it is a freakin' joke. Why can't you see that? He has said it himself. But of course why believe the guy that wrote it.

Eminem is expressing himself through the one way he knows how. This is how he releases his anger, his frustration, and just let his feelings out. Should he keep his feelings inside just because parents can't control what their kids hear, see, and do? Hell, no. Its not the musicians fault just because people need someone to blame for their own parenting problems, or other problems. People need someone to blame and celebrities are those people. Of course the ones who do get blamed are the ones who stand out. Ex. Eminem.

[BowWowsBaby]

let's settle it once an for all...Eminem is ******* ******* and I don't care what ya'll think cause I know I'm right!!!!!

[theanswerman]

that girl which probably is about 11 listens to his music most likely doesn't understand a thing he is talking about. which is sad because when she finally figures out what he is talking about..she will probably agree with him 100%

[XxReality*StarrxX]

i love eminem.... and yeah i love that song too!

btw, ur so cute!

[XxReality*StarrxX]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
I'm a moron because I don't see talent in "blah blah blah BEAT UP ALL THE ***S blah blah" "blah blah MY EX WIFE IS A WHORE AND WANNA PUNCH HER blah blah" "blah blah MOBY MADE A COMMENT THAT HE'S OFFENDED BY MY HOMOPHOBIC LYRICS, SO **** HIM AND I'LL KICK HIS ***GY TECHNO ASS BUT IF SOMEONE ATTACKS ME FOR IT I'LL GET ALL VICIOUS blah blah"?

considering I don't even like rap music (and when I do, it's reserved for the likes of Outkast and Busta Rhymes), why SHOULD I like Eminem? I am gay, so why should I support and respect someone who has set the gay rights movement back 20 years by teaching kids it's okay to use the word "***"? Even bypassing that, I hate the way he bashes other artists, when 9 out of 10 times, the artists he bashes I actually prefer to Eminem.

i'm bisexual, and i'm one of the biggest eminem fans

[XxReality*StarrxX]

Originally posted by Fez619
First off he doesn't have to apologize for anything. Thats how he feels, and nobody should have to apologize for how they feel. Whether how he feels is right or wrong. Also, the comment he made about blacks was a mistake of his. Everybody at that age says something they wish they hadn't because they said it out of anger. It doesn't mean he feels that way. He had a black girlfriend and she broke up with him so he was mad. He shouldn't of said, and he knows he shouldn't.

The thing with the kids listening to it. Thats their parents faults. They should be more responsible in making sure they don't. Cashiers should make sure no one under 17 buys the record.

He is talented. There is not a lot of people who can rap the way he does, or put together rhymes together the way he does. It may seem easy but its not. Its kind like how I feel about ballet dancers I don't think they have any talent because I hate ballet, I think its stupid. But just because I don't like it doesn't mean they have no talent. They do. So does Eminem whether you like what he does, or what he says.

Rapping is his way of expressing himself. When he was younger he got beat up all the time even one time getting sent into a coma, and on top of that he had a crappy ass mom, and family. So, rapping the one thing he can do let out all his anger that he has held inside and of course people have a problem with it. Nonbody else likes when they get ridiculed for expressing themselves, so why should he? Because he says things you don't agree with? So what! Get over it. Like he has said many times don't take what says in his songs as what he means they are usually a joke.

Why should you respect him? For the same reason someone would respect Michael Jordan. They do stuff not everyone can do.

You people are not open minded enough to see that he is talented whether you agree or not with what he says, or does.

thats so true, but i dont agree about how they should only let people over 17 buy his cds, cuz i just turned 17 and i've been listening to him since i was like 12, and my little sister is not even 14 and she listens to him too

[Fez619]

People under 17 are a lot more impressionable than older people. It's material that people under 17 can understand what is mean't by it. A lot of people can't see that its joke in how Em says a lot of things, and if they see what he says and does that its cool and will think, and do the same.

[robyrob]

Originally posted by Fez619
People under 17 are a lot more impressionable than older people. It's material that people under 17 can understand what is mean't by it.so you think that it IS a good thing that kids under 17 listen to Em preach about beating up women and gays, because they are young and impressionable, so they will learn it better?

A lot of people can't see that its joke in how Em says a lot of things, what is so funny about preaching violence against gays and women?
that really isnt a joke man, cause it sure aint funny - or do you think neo-nazis are just a bunch of stand-up comedians?

and if they see what he says and does that its cool and will think, and do the same.
so, what you are saying is that it would be cool to beat up women and gays, because its a joke, and Em says its cool?

i really am having a problem with some of the things you are saying here...

[Fez619]

Dude, obviously he didn't read what I've said in above posts. Someone said it was okay for people under 17 to listen to Em. I said it wasn't. My post was saying why they shouldn't.

[robyrob]

Originally posted by Fez619
Dude, obviously he didn't read what I've said in above posts. Someone said it was okay for people under 17 to listen to Em. I said it wasn't. My post was saying why they shouldn't. obviously you didnt read what you said, because that is NOT the way it came out...

[Fez619]

I know what I mean't. I assume that if somebody is gonna comment that actually read what was said before hand. And in your case you obviously haven't.

[Dean Winchester]

well, I admit I have issues with the fact that Eminem will target some groups, but leave some alone.

If he wants to really be offensive, go the South Park route. The show makes fun of whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, gays, women, men, Christians, Jews, Muslims, rednecks, the mentally and physicall handicapped, just about everyone. But unlike Eminem, it is equal opportunity, everyone is fair game, and for that, a lot of people who might be offended by Eminem can watch South Park (which both makes fun of, but also gives pro and cons to everyone) and not be offended by the same thing. I know women who are apalled by Eminem's songs about his ex-wife, but thought the "Up The Down Steroid" in which retarded kid Jimmy develops an addiction to steroids to participate in the Special Olympics, beats his girlfriend and mother up while "high", to be funny. Why? because EVERYONE is fair game in South Park. Eminem picks certain groups (gays, women, certain pop stars) and leaves others alone. If Eminem slammed everyone equally, it'd be different. But he picks some and leaves others alone.

[robyrob]

Originally posted by Fez619
I know what I mean't. I assume that if somebody is gonna comment that actually read what was said before hand. And in your case you obviously haven't. just because you "know what you mean't" doesn't mean that you are capable of conveying it in any comprehensible form; learn to speak english then come back and try to form a cohesive argument.

[EmoJoe]

Originally posted by Fez619
Yeah it is kind of bad that he can dish out insults but not take them but the majority of people are like that in this world.

But, I'm not talking about that I'm talking about his rapping talent. If you don't think he is good than your ****ing moron because he has a lot of talent. It doesn't matter what you think of him as a person. Because I wasn't talking about him as a person. Do you know what the word opinion is?

[EmoJoe]

Originally posted by Fez619
People hate Eminem because he was a fad. And people think if they like a fad they won't be considered, "cool." Eminem is the second best rap artist of all time, behind 2pac. Well rap is crap anyway, so yeah

[EmoJoe]

Originally posted by Fez619
Dude, obviously he didn't read what I've said in above posts. Someone said it was okay for people under 17 to listen to Em. I said it wasn't. My post was saying why they shouldn't. How old are you? 10?

[EmoJoe]

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[Hollow]

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=2005648

[Hollow]

eminem = only good rapper. i've been meaning to get the eminem show for like 2 and a half years yo. im listening to him right now.

[EmoJoe]

Originally posted by safety pin
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=2005648 :lol:

[spunkygirl]

Well IMO Eminem sucks, and I don't think he's all that talented, he's up their with JLO and Britney, etc. with all the non talents. :rolleyes:

[Dutabi84]

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Well IMO Eminem sucks, and I don't think he's all that talented, he's up their with JLO and Britney, etc. with all the non talents. :rolleyes:

Yikes. I don't think you can put him in the category of those two. He's written so much music, produced so many #1 records, I just don't think you can compare the talent.

[spunkygirl]

Originally posted by Dutabi84
Yikes. I don't think you can put him in the category of those two. He's written so much music, produced so many #1 records, I just don't think you can compare the talent.

I think he's got as much talent as Jessica Simpson does. :)

[Dutabi84]

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
I think he's got as much talent as Jessica Simpson does. :)

Hmm, ok :D

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Well IMO Eminem sucks, and I don't think he's all that talented, he's up their with JLO and Britney, etc. with all the non talents. :rolleyes:

I agree. Maybe Eminem writes his stuff, but I fail to see talent in purposely alienating potential recordbuyers and dividing audiences. That's all he does.

[Fez619]

robyrob,
I accidentally left a word out of my sentence and I have learn English? Dude, I do great in English I've gotten A's in every one of them. I have produced a great argument everytime I replied, you would know that if you would read previous posts. But, hey if you don't want to thats your problem. If your not then don't comment about my arguments, okay?

RurryMicelli,
Do I know what an opinion is? Yes, I've been posting mine everytime I've posted. I'm not telling anyone else what to think I'm just stating my opinion, and how I see it. For your little am I ten years old comment. You must be ten if you say crap like that.:lol:

JLO, Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears whether you like them or not. I don't personally care for their music. But, they can sing even if they lip synch here, and there. So what if they can't write their own songs but they still have great voices. Apparently, Spears co-wrote some of her songs on her latest album but it doesn't she can still sing great, and the same goes for the other two.Eminem has talent in terms of rapping. A lot of people can rap but not as well as he can. I'm not expecting a non-rap fan to see what I'm saying because they won't admit to a rapper has talent. Well, none that I know of anyways. But, anywho he can rap very well, and write very good lyrics. Even if the content isn't exactly something a lot of people want to listen to. If he didn't have talent Dre never would have signed him. j\

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Fez619
JLO, Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears whether you like them or not. I don't personally care for their music. But, they can sing even if they lip synch here, and there. So what if they can't write their own songs but they still have great voices.

everything you say makes sense, even tho I disagree with it, except for this. I actually do like a few J. Lo (before she went all hip hop) and Britney songs... but "good singers" they are NOT. Their songs are catchy and fun, but neither of them have exactly voices that people strive to have. Nothing wrong with NOT having a good singing voice because I do think a singers personality and style can speak as many volumes as the octaves they can sing, but Britney and J. Lo both have not-too-good voices.

[robyrob]

Originally posted by Fez619
robyrob,
I accidentally left a word out of my sentence and I have learn English? Dude, I do great in English I've gotten A's in every one of them. I have produced a great argument everytime I replied, you would know that if you would read previous posts. But, hey if you don't want to thats your problem. If your not then don't comment about my arguments, okay?

lets go over this again shall we?

- you contend that it is OK for eminiem to bash gays, women and glorify violence towards them

- your argument for this is that it is OK because he is (1) talented (2) cool (3) joking

- I addressed every point you tried to make concerning this, but the only discernable argument i could make out due to your fractured gammar is that i "must not have read what you posted"
(note to FEZ - your posts are still THERE, i can read them just fine, they STILL dont form a coherent argument)

- you refuse to defend your position any further than those first 3 points, or address any of the comments i made concerning your points

To cover my responses to your 3 arguments again:

(1) talent is no excuse for misogyny or gay bashing, and is irrelevant to the argument

(2) "being cool" is subjective, and is part of what makes eminem's target audience the impressionable "under 17" age group that was mentioned (also not a very strong excuse for misogyny or gay bashing)

(3) whether eminem was joking or not - which doesn't seem to be a very consistent story with him - it is a subject that is NOT funny to a considerably large group of people, including those that are victims of violence towards gays and women

You ARE entitled to your opinion, however, you can NOT claim that I haven't read it, especially when you are incapable of defending it when criticized.

[Fez619]

Rapping is his way of expressing himself. Should you be hassled for expressing yourself even if I don't agree with you say. This is his opinion on things so he isn't wrong but yet he isn't right. It's his opinion no matter what anyway says, and he shouldn't be told he's wrong for stating his opinion. Nobody has the right to say someone elses opinion is wrong. But, like I've said it doesn't mean what he says is right.

The reason why I don't argue outside of those points is because thats all there is. Well, at least all I can think of at the moment. For comments I don't address is because I don't think they are worth responding to just because you type something doesn't mean I have to respond. I respond to what I think is worth responding to.

I have responded to all three of your arguments at some point and I don't feel like stating all my responses again.

He can joke all he wants it's not his fault people can't take the jokes. I'm not saying Em takes them well either. What he says might not be right but it is his opinion and no one has the right to tell him he is wrong. Just like I'm not telling you that you're wrong, and you're not telling me I'm wrong. Because it's an opinion.
The more people react to what he says the more he will do it so basically everyone who reacts, and go crazy over it are the reason why he still says this stuff because people stop fussying over he will stop because he thrives on it, that is what makes his music. Another reason why he says what he says is because he knows a lot of people feel the same way as he does. He doesn't like homosexuals for some reason like so many other people in this world.


"being cool" is subjective, and is part of what makes eminem's target audience the impressionable "under 17" age group that was mentioned (also not a very strong excuse for misogyny or gay bashing)"

It is bad that he is big with the under 17 kids because they are impressionable but it isn't em's fault. That comes back to the parents responsiblity. Em doesn't let his daughter listen to his music, and if he can be responsible enough to not let his daughter listen to his music then anyone can.