For all republicans let's take a stand and unite!

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Okay, there are sooo many liberals on this board so this post is for all you republicans who get bombared and attacked by the liberals to say and share your thoughts from a republican pint of view. Afterall, we are the right winged;)

I think we need to start our own protests against all the people protesting agaist war. i mean it's like get over it, war has started like war is going to stop because of your demonstartions. Just support our troops.

[C Doody]

I Know what you mean. Im so freakin sick of those Anti Bush threads.

[AnaheimPMWitch]

I totally Agree with you Shannon I dont want to say much because I dont want to piss people off but You ALREADY know how I feel so :lol: I will say however that us republicans need to stick together oh and on the Protest note someone here in Oregon was protesting agaisnt the Protesters I suppose alot of that is going on now but I find that quite funny

[AnaheimPMWitch]

Originally posted by Chad Doody
I Know what you mean. Im so freakin sick of those Anti Bush threads. Me to Chad Me to it makes me mad because HALF of them arent even FROM the US so dont be dissing our President if you arent FROM HERE thats My Opinion atleast

[C Doody]

Us protesting them seems a bit pointless to me. For one, Most Liberals never listen :lol:

For two, Im not gonna waste my time walking around with a sign and blocking up traffic, Or Id be as bad as them. I've said this before and ill say it again, If their really concerned for the people of Iraq than they would be Volunteering for a program that delivers food and supplys to Iraq instead of Standing around in the street protesting, Or Making idiotic Bush Jokes trying to get laughs out of Other Liberals. Seems to me like alot of them just look for reasons to make fun of our President and Country,

[Tuesday Weld]

Yes,we Republicans have to stick togther.I'm so annoyed by these liberal,anti-Bush loose cannons!I think Bush is doing a fine job and he's doing what is right!!

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by Chad Doody
Us protesting them seems a bit pointless to me. For one, Most Liberals never listen :lol:

For two, Im not gonna waste my time walking around with a sign and blocking up traffic, Or Id be as bad as them. I've said this before and ill say it again, If their really concerned for the people of Iraq than they would be Volunteering for a program that delivers food and supplys to Iraq instead of Standing around in the street protesting, Or Making idiotic Bush Jokes trying to get laughs out of Other Liberals. Seems to me like alot of them just look for reasons to make fun of our President and Country, LOL so true

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
war has started like war is going to stop because of your demonstartions. Just support our troops.

I know. No protests in the 60s and 70s ever did any good, and IMO, Vietnam was a more pointless "war" than this one. Support those who fight for us.

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by AnahiemPMWitch
Me to Chad Me to it makes me mad because HALF of them arent even FROM the US so dont be dissing our President if you arent FROM HERE thats My Opinion atleast

:) But I do have a lot of fun dissing that jerk in France.

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by AnahiemPMWitch
Me to Chad Me to it makes me mad because HALF of them arent even FROM the US so dont be dissing our President if you arent FROM HERE thats My Opinion atleast I know. i mean how can they even dare state they hate Bush when they don't live ehre. I am sorry but you hav to live ehre to amke that dicission. How would all you people feel if we started dissing your Kings, Queens, Dukes or whatever and we don't even know half the stuff they do. it's not fair is it?

[LucyFan]

Originally posted by Chad Doody
I Know what you mean. Im so freakin sick of those Anti Bush threads.
I am too. It is getting down right sickening.

[AnaheimPMWitch]

Originally posted by Chad Doody
Us protesting them seems a bit pointless to me. For one, Most Liberals never listen :lol:

For two, Im not gonna waste my time walking around with a sign and blocking up traffic, Or Id be as bad as them. I've said this before and ill say it again, If their really concerned for the people of Iraq than they would be Volunteering for a program that delivers food and supplys to Iraq instead of Standing around in the street protesting, Or Making idiotic Bush Jokes trying to get laughs out of Other Liberals. Seems to me like alot of them just look for reasons to make fun of our President and Country, I agree I wouldnt actually do it myself because i'm to much of a Wuss to and I Dont like confrontations but I do think its funny around here you see the AntiBush AntiWar Protesters on one corner and the Proside going "Get a Life, Get a Job,go HOME" its funnny

[AnaheimPMWitch]

Originally posted by dawsongirl


:) But I do have a lot of fun dissing that jerk in France. Me to :lol: I seriously went to Mcdonalds the other day and ordered some Freedom Fries the guy thought I was weird but screw him


Shannon I agree with you totally We wouldnt be dissing thier king, queen or whatever though because we dont stoop to thier level

[LucyFan]

Originally posted by vintagetvgirl
Yes,we Republicans have to stick togther.I'm so annoyed by these liberal,anti-Bush loose cannons!I think Bush is doing a fine job and he's doing what is right!!
Not only that but he's doing the best that he can. And its a shame to see some of these protesters attack and trash him non-stop. Yes, they do have their rights but I don't think trashing him is solving anything. Its pointless and dumb. They should be at least grateful that he's doing something about this issue with Iraq. From what I am aware of, he's not one of those that let things go by. And if that was the case, our country would probably be blown up by now!

[Fleet]

Originally posted by vintagetvgirl
Yes,we Republicans have to stick togther.I'm so annoyed by these liberal,anti-Bush loose cannons!I think Bush is doing a fine job and he's doing what is right!!
He is doing a good job. The libs can't stand to see a *real* president in office.

[C Doody]

Originally posted by Fleet

He is doing a good job. The libs can't stand to see a *real* president in office.

Maybe if he had an affair with a few Sleazy Women they would change their Minds? ;)

[Tuesday Weld]

Originally posted by LucyFan

Not only that but he's doing the best that he can. And its a shame to see some of these protesters attack and trash him non-stop. Yes, they do have their rights but I don't think trashing him is solving anything. Its pointless and dumb. They should be at least grateful that he's doing something about this issue with Iraq. From what I am aware of, he's not one of those that let things go by. And if that was the case, our country would probably be blown up by now!

Yes,that is true.The liberals won't leave Bush alone for ANY reason.At least Bush is taking a stand,unlike that spineless clown Clinton!!And I would hate to think how Gore would have handled this - that thought is downright scary!!

[Fleet]

Originally posted by Chad Doody
Maybe if he had an affair with a few Sleazy Women they would change their Minds? ;)
Yeah, that might help. Also if he takes up playing the saxophone.

[Fleet]

Originally posted by vintagetvgirl
And I would hate to think how Gore would have handled this - that thought is downright scary!!
Yeah, I think about that, too. Sometimes it keeps me awake at night just wondering how Gore would be handling this Iraq conflict. :eek:

[Three'sCompanyrules]

This is an awesome thread and I unite with my fellow Republicans! I to would think it would be scary to see how Al Gore would be handling this situation. I agree with Fleet the liberals can't stand to see a real president in office. I happy I live in a Republican State (Nebraska) and we here hate haveing senator Tom Dachle as a neighbor, along with Gore and Clinton he is another liberal I really can't stand.

[laceyinthesky]

I don't attack anyone simply because they're republican and don't agree with me. Though I do find it sort of funny that it's always people who are pro-war who say I only get in arguments because someone.. and I'm quoting something I've seen a lot on here "don't agree with me". I only question the people who's statements are worth questioning.

[Brad]

Lord, some of you guys are really arrogant. Open your mind a little and appreciate the fact that not everybody thinks the same way you do.

Yes, I'm anti-war, and no, I don't like Bush. But right now, countless brave men and women (including my brother) are fighting this thing whether I like it or not. I think the most important thing to do right now is to send good throughs to the troops and hope for a quick end to this, not initiate idiotic partisan fights. The reason I haven't been talking politics since this war started is because I've called my own "cease fire" for the duration of the war. Both sides, I think, need to cool it. Arguing about the war is pointless now.

And Jem, you're not helping much, either. You've posted so much anti-Bush rhetoric on these boards that your argument is really losing validity. Hell, I'm getting annoyed by all your anti-Bush posts. Please stop.

I don't have a problem with any of you people and don't appreciate the fact that some of you think of me as the Antichrist just because I come from a different school of thought than you. I just have a different point of view. It's my right as a patriotic American.

[laceyinthesky]

Originally posted by AKA
Lord, some of you guys are really arrogant. Open your mind a little and appreciate the fact that not everybody thinks the same way you do.

Yes, I'm anti-war, and no, I don't like Bush. But right now, countless brave men and women (including my brother) are fighting this thing whether I like it or not. I think the most important thing to do right now is to send good throughs to the troops and hope for a quick end to this, not initiate idiotic partisan fights. The reason I haven't been talking politics since this war started is because I've called my own "cease fire" for the duration of the war. Both sides, I think, need to cool it. Arguing about the war is pointless now.

And Jem, you're not helping much, either. You've posted so much anti-Bush rhetoric on these boards that your argument is really losing validity. Hell, I'm getting annoyed by all your anti-Bush posts. Please stop.

I don't have a problem with any of you people and don't appreciate the fact that some of you think of me as the Antichrist just because I come from a different school of thought than you. I just have a different point of view. It's my right as a patriotic American.

Well said, AKA.

I seperate people into being either pro-war or anti-war, not conservative or liberal. I don't think one topic (war) has anything to do with every other aspect of what people believe.

[C Doody]

All i know is im sick of 20-30 Topics about The War, And we all the say the same thing. Yet i still feel the need to reply to most of them.

[C Doody]

I Hope your brother gets back safe by the way AKA.

[Brad]

Originally posted by Chad Doody
I Hope your brother gets back safe by the way AKA.

Thank you. Very much appreciated.

[Three'sCompanyrules]

I hope your brother comes back safe AKA, My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.


I don't have a problem with people not liking Bush, because they have other views on the war and other issues, but I just get sick of what people say about him, some things are uncalled and our offensive, I don't mind a debate to get your points and views across, but we can do without the abusive name calling towards him. Bush is doing what he has to do to protect us Americans and he which some people don't believe wants the people of Iraq to be safe and free from an evil man. I just hope this war is over soon, so our troops can come home safley. I will support President Bush through this and I also support our troops. GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH!!! GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

[RWCTV]

I also hope that your brother comes back okay AKA. I'm sure he's going to have stories to tell when he comes back.

On the political issue, I am sick of the Double Standard. I never saw people protesting Bill Clinton's Iraq war declaration, yet we see it rabid with a Republican president.

We went to war knowing that it was to root out Saddam Heussein. I am pro-war on this front only because this man has not only taken pleasure in murder and torture, but also the fact that he stock piled arsenal and can easily sell to Al-Queda with his arsen.

However I tip my hat off to the people who join united with the troops and our country. The great thing about this country is that, because of war and bloodshed, you and I have the freedom to agree or disagree and go public with it, like we are all doing here.

I will not side with some of the fanatics who have made unecessary statements like "I hope they kick our ass". That lights my fuel to a flaming fire.

I do appreciate the people, whether they are for this war or against this war, uniting behind the country in this particular perilous time.

AKA, tell your brother thanks when he gets back.

Give him all of our thanks!!!!

:thanks:

[Jem]

Originally posted by RWCTV
On the political issue, I am sick of the Double Standard. I never saw people protesting Bill Clinton's Iraq war declaration, yet we see it rabid with a Republican president. We went to war knowing that it was to root out Saddam Heussein. I am pro-war on this front only because this man has not only taken pleasure in murder and torture, but also the fact that he stock piled arsenal and can easily sell to Al-Queda with his arsen.

I believe Saddam Hussein should be out of that country. In fact, I hope he gets killed. But, I'm anti-war because civilians will be hurt during this war, not just the soldiers. There has got to be a better way to rid Saddam Hussein of his power. Like assassination.

[Fred G Cleaver]

Remember Jem that president Ford another good president banned all foriegn assassinations so we cant do that we have to do it the way we are and remember War is Hell

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by Jem


I believe Saddam Hussein should be out of that country. In fact, I hope he gets killed. But, I'm anti-war because civilians will be hurt during this war, not just the soldiers. There has got to be a better way to rid Saddam Hussein of his power. Like assassination. yeah the innocent civilians will be killed, buth think of it like this.. everyday in Iraq hundreds of women and children are ebaten, abused, hurt, and killed. So, we are here to stop that from happening. Would you rather just have a few loose their lives in the war, or hundred each daY? And it is impossible just to find Suddam Hussien alone. He is so protected and stuff it would be impossible to just get him. It's like a needle in a hay stack.

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by vintagetvgirl


Yes,that is true.The liberals won't leave Bush alone for ANY reason.At least Bush is taking a stand,unlike that spineless clown Clinton!!And I would hate to think how Gore would have handled this - that thought is downright scary!! If Gore was president right now,w e would all be worshiping Allah, and wearing towles on our head. LOL

[Czas na Zywiec]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
If Gore was president right now,w e would all be worshiping Allah, and wearing towles on our head. LOL

You say something intelligent, but then you go back and say something like this. Saying we'd be worshiping 'Allah and wearing towels on our head' just makes you lose credibility. It sounds like you're making fun of the Islam religion and that it'd be a horrible thing if we were all converted. No president has the power to convert 200 million people to the same religion, be realistic.

Also, most people in this country already do worship Allah. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. And the Islamic, Christian, and Jewsish faiths all believe in the same God, just in different levels and forms.

[Krystal Lake]

I sh** you not, at first glance I thought this thread was titled "For all Republicans: Let's take a stand and urinate!"


I mean, I'm a proud conservative Republican but damn, I'm not gonna piss with the lot of ya.

[LucyFan]

Originally posted by Jem
I believe Saddam Hussein should be out of that country. In fact, I hope he gets killed. But, I'm anti-war because civilians will be hurt during this war, not just the soldiers. There has got to be a better way to rid Saddam Hussein of his power. Like assassination.

I agree that Saddam Husein should have no power. But I don't agree that we should let him get away with what he's doing. Going to war seems like the only way to do it. President Bush even gave a 48 hour notice to Saddam to give up or face war. And Saddam refused. I don't know about you about I am glad we're taking a stand on this issue because if we didn't Saddam would probably be coming after us sooner or later and other nations as well. And before we would know it, a lot of civilians (from various nations) would be killed (probably WAY MORE than now).

[*Melissa*]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
If Gore was president right now,w e would all be worshiping Allah, and wearing towles on our head. LOL

Oh get off it.

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by Original Prankster


You say something intelligent, but then you go back and say something like this. Saying we'd be worshiping 'Allah and wearing towels on our head' just makes you lose credibility. It sounds like you're making fun of the Islam religion and that it'd be a horrible thing if we were all converted. No president has the power to convert 200 million people to the same religion, be realistic.

Also, most people in this country already do worship Allah. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. And the Islamic, Christian, and Jewsish faiths all believe in the same God, just in different levels and forms. Fine I'm sorry, but I am only saying what many people have said about Bush just to a different politicain. I wasn't making fun of their religion. I was just saying that's hwo it could be. I know Allah is another word for God, but they can not believe in the same god as Christians because if they did they wouyld have to believe in the trinity. I think they believe in some form of higher spirit but not in the same God Christians do. And if you don't like this thread so much than don't read it. it is for all republicans to dicuss their point of views.

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by vintagetvgirl
And I would hate to think how Gore would have handled this - that thought is downright scary!!

That's just freaky.

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by Three'sCompanyrules
I happy I live in a Republican State (Nebraska) and we here hate haveing senator Tom Dachle as a neighbor

I live in staunch Democratic Iowa. It's all the old people. :p

[Titania]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
If Gore was president right now,w e would all be worshiping Allah, and wearing towles on our head. LOL

aint that the truth...


great post here!!!! its about time we united- this board is crawling w/ libs!

GOP PROUD! *insert little elephant smiley that doesnt exist*




try here: http://www.gopfun.com

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by Krystal Lake
I sh** you not, at first glance I thought this thread was titled "For all Republicans: Let's take a stand and urinate!"


I mean, I'm a proud conservative Republican but damn, I'm not gonna piss with the lot of ya.

:lol:

[Jem]

Originally posted by dawsongirl


:) But I do have a lot of fun dissing that jerk in France.

Hey! France is cool! :cool:

[Jem]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
I know. i mean how can they even dare state they hate Bush when they don't live ehre. I am sorry but you hav to live ehre to amke that dicission. How would all you people feel if we started dissing your Kings, Queens, Dukes or whatever and we don't even know half the stuff they do. it's not fair is it?

I'd probably laugh because Canada's political leaders are made fun of on the show Canadian Air Farce.:) :happyface

[Jem]

Originally posted by Fred G Cleaver
Remember Jem that president Ford another good president banned all foriegn assassinations so we cant do that we have to do it the way we are and remember War is Hell

Well, the law should be changed.

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by Jem
Well, the law should be changed.

Ford was such a good president he never got elected. :rolleyes: That is probably why.

[Brad]

Originally posted by dawsongirl


Ford was such a good president he never got elected. :rolleyes: That is probably why.

So far, George W. Bush hasn't been elected president, either.

[Czas na Zywiec]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
Fine I'm sorry, but I am only saying what many people have said about Bush just to a different politicain. I wasn't making fun of their religion. I was just saying that's hwo it could be. I know Allah is another word for God, but they can not believe in the same god as Christians because if they did they wouyld have to believe in the trinity. I think they believe in some form of higher spirit but not in the same God Christians do. And if you don't like this thread so much than don't read it. it is for all republicans to dicuss their point of views.

Nope, it's the same God. Like I said, it's just in a different degree and level. Christians believe in the trinity, but Jews don't. Yet, they believe in the same God. They believe in one God, just like the Muslims. Jesus was seen as human and as God to the Christians, but only as a human to the Jews. They believe that God is the only higher power. Jesus was a teacher to them, but not God.

I understand that this is a post primarily towards the republicans, but when you make a post like that, you present false information and lead people to believe it. Here's the website I got this information from to back me up.

http://www.convert.org/differ.htm

[RWCTV]

Originally posted by AKA


So far, George W. Bush hasn't been elected president, either.

If he wasn't elected president, then why is he in office? Why hasn't the media after the continued recounts posted an article saying that "Gore Won recount". Why did the Republicans gain seats and regain control of both the House and the Senate? Even Ronald Reagan had a Democratic controlled senate in both of his terms and through the George H.W. Bush administration. Why did the public support Bush enough to cause his own party to regain complete control? It certainly sounds like Bush won the election and support to me.

[RWCTV]

Originally posted by Original Prankster


Nope, it's the same God. Like I said, it's just in a different degree and level. Christians believe in the trinity, but Jews don't. Yet, they believe in the same God. They believe in one God, just like the Muslims. Jesus was seen as human and as God to the Christians, but only as a human to the Jews. They believe that God is the only higher power. Jesus was a teacher to them, but not God.

I understand that this is a post primarily towards the republicans, but when you make a post like that, you present false information and lead people to believe it.

I am currently doing some research on the origin of Islam. We are led to believe, and by Christian preachers and the President, that Muslims are peaceloving people and that the same God that the Muslims worship is the same God that we worship.

This is really strange because of this. Allah was originally the moon god among the dieties of Mecca, a city in Saudi Arabia, where the religion originated. Isn't it funny that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon. Now why is that? With the Christians, the main symbol is the cross because the sinless son of God made himself thee sacrifice for our sins.

Anyway, Different strands of Islam were divided and produced.

You had the Wahabis--The fanatics that we are currently battling.

The soonies-- The Peaceloving Muslims

The Shiites-- Contains some peace, but is a little bit more warminded.

When studying the book of Surah, in the Koran, the support of Jesu' (Jesus) did support that there was a man named Jesus, but did not recognize him as God. In reality, Jesus is not only God, but he is the only link to reach eternity with God the father.

Aside from that, Allah is definately the God of love protrayed in the Bible. In fact, Mohammed said in the Koran that Allah had 3 daughters who should be worshipped. As time went on, Mohammed changed his mind and said that the idea was given to him by Satan. In the Bible, nobody changes their minds on anything because the Holy Spirit directed them carefully on what to write.

Now on your argument, there is definately some things to consider. Abraham was the father of both the Jews and the Arabs. Abraham impregnated both Haggar and Sarah.

If you read Genesis Chapter 16 through 21 and on in the bible, you will see the origin unfold. To make a long story short, Sarah (originally called Sarai and then whose name changed to Sarah) thought that she could not bare a child, so she gave the permission to Abraham to have sex with Hagar, Sarah's maid. When Hagar got pregnant and Sarah found out that she could have kids, Sarah was angry and secretly despised Hagar. Eventually Hagar and Ishmael and Sarah and Isaac divided. God made a convenant to make both descendants successful and create more nations. The Arabs have been blessed with wealth through oil and the Jews have been blessed with the Holy city of Jerusalem and more.

However, when Mohammed came about around 600 years after Jesus Christ to write the Koran, I believe that possibly Satan gave Mohammed visions to write the Koran, just so that this religion grows and that it can be used to rally a coalition of war against the Jews far later on in the future. As we see the time approaching, we are seeing so many pieces of the puzzle fit.

As we recently heard that an American Muslim threw a grenade, hoping that he kills troops, there is something odd. Also about a month ago, we heard that a Muslim for the FBI would not participate in a case against a suspected terrorist. Could this just be coincidence? Or are we seeing the beginnings of prophecy unfold?

I will say this for sure: There are some Muslims out there that are peaceful and who condemn terrorism sincerely. Then again, there are some that will claim peace to keep the focus off of them and keep coming up with secrets to annihilate the Jewish race. They all want Jerusalem. Where the Dome of the Rock is, there is the display inside to where they proclaim that "Mohammed ascended into heaven", thusly making the Muslims believe that Jerusalem belongs to them. Then there is the promise God made to the Jews about bringing them Jews into their own land.

It is a dangerous, but sticky subject that goes multiple ways, in the hopes that the truth is not exposed.

[Czas na Zywiec]

Originally posted by RWCTV


I am currently doing some research on the origin of Islam. We are led to believe, and by Christian preachers and the President, that Muslims are peaceloving people and that the same God that the Muslims worship is the same God that we worship.

This is really strange because of this. Allah was originally the moon god among the dieties of Mecca, a city in Saudi Arabia, where the religion originated. Isn't it funny that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon. Now why is that? With the Christians, the main symbol is the cross because the sinless son of God made himself thee sacrifice for our sins.

Anyway, Different strands of Islam were divided and produced.

You had the Wahabis--The fanatics that we are currently battling.

The soonies-- The Peaceloving Muslims

The Shiites-- Contains some peace, but is a little bit more warminded.

When studying the book of Surah, in the Koran, the support of Jesu' (Jesus) did support that there was a man named Jesus, but did not recognize him as God. In reality, Jesus is not only God, but he is the only link to reach eternity with God the father.

Aside from that, Allah is definately the God of love protrayed in the Bible. In fact, Mohammed said in the Koran that Allah had 3 daughters who should be worshipped. As time went on, Mohammed changed his mind and said that the idea was given to him by Satan. In the Bible, nobody changes their minds on anything because the Holy Spirit directed them carefully on what to write.

Now on your argument, there is definately some things to consider. Abraham was the father of both the Jews and the Arabs. Abraham impregnated both Haggar and Sarah.

If you read Genesis Chapter 16 through 21 and on in the bible, you will see the origin unfold. To make a long story short, Sarah (originally called Sarai and then whose name changed to Sarah) thought that she could not bare a child, so she gave the permission to Abraham to have sex with Hagar, Sarah's maid. When Hagar got pregnant and Sarah found out that she could have kids, Sarah was angry and secretly despised Hagar. Eventually Hagar and Ishmael and Sarah and Isaac divided. God made a convenant to make both descendants successful and create more nations. The Arabs have been blessed with wealth through oil and the Jews have been blessed with the Holy city of Jerusalem and more.

However, when Mohammed came about around 600 years after Jesus Christ to write the Koran, I believe that possibly Satan gave Mohammed visions to write the Koran, just so that this religion grows and that it can be used to rally a coalition of war against the Jews far later on in the future. As we see the time approaching, we are seeing so many pieces of the puzzle fit.

As we recently heard that an American Muslim threw a grenade, hoping that he kills troops, there is something odd. Also about a month ago, we heard that a Muslim for the FBI would not participate in a case against a suspected terrorist. Could this just be coincidence? Or are we seeing the beginnings of prophecy unfold?

I will say this for sure: There are some Muslims out there that are peaceful and who condemn terrorism sincerely. Then again, there are some that will claim peace to keep the focus off of them and keep coming up with secrets to annihilate the Jewish race. They all want Jerusalem. Where the Dome of the Rock is, there is the display inside to where they proclaim that "Mohammed ascended into heaven", thusly making the Muslims believe that Jerusalem belongs to them. Then there is the promise God made to the Jews about bringing them Jews into their own land.

It is a dangerous, but sticky subject that goes multiple ways, in the hopes that the truth is not exposed.

Thank you for that. That was basically my whole point, just expanded on. And I agree. There are Muslims out there who want peace and don't agree with terrorism. They aren't all bad people. Each religion, ethnic group, country has their good and their bad. They have Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein. We have Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh (I'm not sure if he's still alive), and we have had bad people in the past. David Karesh for example. Evil comes in all shapes and sizes.

[Titania]

just balancing out all these liberal/anti war cartoons/pics....

[Titania]

and another

[Titania]

and...

[Brad]

Titania,

Re: the Tom Daschle pic: someone is really good with Photoshop.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/daschle.asp

[Crimson and Clover]

/

[laceyinthesky]

Originally posted by Titania
and... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=659841

Why is it you have to use your right hand when you say the Pledge of Allegiance? Why can't lefties use their left hand?

[Moonlight Lady]

Everytime I see Saddam on TV or a picture of him, it freaks me out.

[Brad]

Originally posted by Katie_NY
Everytime I see Saddam on TV or a picture of him, it freaks me out.

Oh, he's just a marshmallow.

[Kitt]

Originally posted by Original Prankster


Thank you for that. That was basically my whole point, just expanded on. And I agree. There are Muslims out there who want peace and don't agree with terrorism. They aren't all bad people. Each religion, ethnic group, country has their good and their bad. They have Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein. We have Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh (I'm not sure if he's still alive), and we have had bad people in the past. David Karesh for example. Evil comes in all shapes and sizes. For the sake of clarity, Prankster's quote is in repy to an RW sermon....

Timothy McVeigh, the poster boy for The Death Penalty, is dead. Oh, and so is Adolph Hitler. He was a Christian also.

[bandito]

Originally posted by Kitt
For the sake of clarity, Prankster's quote is in repy to an RW sermon....

Timothy McVeigh, the poster boy for The Death Penalty, is dead. Oh, and so is Adolph Hitler. He was a Christian also. I dont think it was a sermon at all. I thought it was very informative. Thanks R.W. :)

[Czas na Zywiec]

Originally posted by Kitt
For the sake of clarity, Prankster's quote is in repy to an RW sermon....

Timothy McVeigh, the poster boy for The Death Penalty, is dead. Oh, and so is Adolph Hitler. He was a Christian also.

Oh ok, I knew that he was on death role and that they were supposed to execute him, but I must have spaced it out and forgotten about it when it happened. Thanks.

And another prime example of a bad 'White Christian Man'. Good job Kitt. :thumbsup:

[Kitt]

Originally posted by bandito
I dont think it was a sermon at all. I thought it was very informative. Thanks R.W. :) I won't argue that I didn't think it was informative. But it was a sermon whether you agree or not. Why do you resist the word 'sermon' being applied to it? Sermons aren't supposed to be uninformative. It depends on the giver of the sermon and the ear of the beholder of the semon. You felt informed, I didn't. It was a sermon either way.

[bandito]

Originally posted by Kitt
I won't argue that I didn't think it was informative. But it was a sermon whether you agree or not. Why do you resist the word 'sermon' being applied to it? Sermons aren't supposed to be uninformative. It depends on the giver of the sermon and the ear of the beholder of the semon. You felt informed, I didn't. It was a sermon either way. Geez, I didnt think it was a big deal. Why do you have to make an argument out of everything?

[Kitt]

Originally posted by bandito
Geez, I didnt think it was a big deal. Why do you have to make an argument out of everything? I quoted prankster. You stepped in on what I said. I qualified what I said in reply to you. And...I'm making an argument? What is it that you were doing when you stepped in with your comment? Being nicy, nicy?

[bandito]

Originally posted by Kitt
I quoted prankster. You stepped in on what I said. I qualified what I said in reply to you. And...I'm making an argument? What is it that you were doing when you stepped in with your comment? Being nicy, nicy? I rest my case. :D

[Kitt]

Originally posted by bandito
I rest my case. :D You may have rested it but you sure haven't made it.

[RWCTV]

Originally posted by Kitt

Timothy McVeigh, the poster boy for The Death Penalty, is dead. Oh, and so is Adolph Hitler. He was a Christian also.

Adolf Hitler was not a Christian. Adolf Hitler belonged to the Arian Cult. The Arian Cult preached Anti-Semitism to a tee at that point in time.

Also think about this: Jesus Christ is a Jew. I do not think that Adolf Hitler would trust a Jew to take him to God the Father.

God is Love/ Hitler was the epitomy of Hate.
Hitler ordered the destruction of Holy Bibles. The Holy Bible were provided not only to give hope, but to also prevent hurt in your direction.

In other words, the 10 Commandments were not "just a set of rules". They were written so that you wouldn't experience the hurt, pain, and consequences you might naturally get if you had broken them.

For example: Thou Shalt not Kill (Hitler). Murderers do not inherit the Kingdom of God in Galatians 5:21.

When time was up for Hitler, he made his choice. He "died in his own sins."

And the final thing, is that True Christianity is not a Cult. Christians are sinners like everyone else, but we trust Christ to forgive us so that we don't have to "drink from the cup of wrath ourselves". We trust that Christ already has done that for us.

[Kitt]

If you don't want to claim Adoph in your Christian flock I can understand that, but the debate rages on. Many say he was a Christian and some say he wasn't. One bit of evidence I wouldn't use though if I were you is the Ten Commandments. Especially the one you specifically named "Thou Shalt Not Kill". While the Christian President is in the process of killing on a major scale, that one doesn't wash. In your posts you've tried to justify killling in the mame of God but that's never gone over well with a lot of folks.

This site gives the subject of Adoph a good going over. It leads to another site with an even more indebth analysis.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

[Moonlight Lady]

Originally posted by AKA


Oh, he's just a marshmallow.

:lol:

Well he's a scary marshmallow. ;)

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by Kitt
If you don't want to claim Adoph in your Christian flock I can understand that, but the debate rages on. Many say he was a Christian and some say he wasn't. One bit of evidence I wouldn't use though if I were you is the Ten Commandments. Especially the one you specifically named "Thou Shalt Not Kill". While the Christian President is in the process of killing on a major scale, that one doesn't wash. In your posts you've tried to justify killling in the mame of God but that's never gone over well with a lot of folks.

This site gives the subject of Adoph a good going over. It leads to another site with an even more indebth analysis.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html there is a BIG differnce between what Adolf Hitler did and what Bush is in the process of doing right now.
Hitler killed, jews, homosexuals, christians who hid the jews, and everyone else thatw asn't "perfect" in his standards for no reason. he had a lot of power and took advantage of it. he was a sick evil man.
George Bush has a reason for what eh is doing. he is protecting America from nuclear missles,a nd eh sia lso trying to help prevent the Iraqi people from having to keep living in a world almost as bad as the holocoust hitler created. He wants to help the people whereas hitler wanted to kill them. yes, some Iraqi's and Americans will die, but it will be nowhere as bad as it could have been.

[Tuesday Weld]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
there is a BIG differnce between what Adolf Hitler did and what Bush is in the process of doing right now.
Hitler killed, jews, homosexuals, christians who hid the jews, and everyone else thatw asn't "perfect" in his standards for no reason. he had a lot of power and took advantage of it. he was a sick evil man.
George Bush has a reason for what eh is doing. he is protecting America from nuclear missles,a nd eh sia lso trying to help prevent the Iraqi people from having to keep living in a world almost as bad as the holocoust hitler created. He wants to help the people whereas hitler wanted to kill them. yes, some Iraqi's and Americans will die, but it will be nowhere as bad as it could have been.

Exactly.

[Kitt]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
He wants to help the people whereas hitler wanted to kill them. yes, some Iraqi's and Americans will die, but it will be nowhere as bad as it could have been. Dead is dead. If you were the father or mother of one of the little childen dying in this war because of Bush you might see it another way. This war has no more reason to exist than Hitler's war. Bush is not the Jesus Christ you make him out to be. He is a murderer just like Hitler was a murderer.

[Tuesday Weld]

Originally posted by Kitt
Dead is dead. If you were the father or mother of one of the little childen dying in this war because of Bush you might see it another way. This war has no more reason to exist than Hitler's war. Bush is not the Jesus Christ you make him out to be. He is a murderer just like Hitler was a murderer.

Don't you realize that Saddam Hussein has killed MANY more Iraqis(and yes,that includes children!),than Bush could ever equal??Or does that not matter to you??

[Kitt]

Originally posted by vintagetvgirl


Don't you realize that Saddam Hussein has killed MANY more Iraqis(and yes,that includes children!),than Bush could ever equal??Or does that not matter to you?? Instead of just popping off at me why don't you read the Arundhati Roy essay I posted in the "Inteligence, Inteligence post. Argue with her if you like after you've read her. Don't tell me what matters to me without making the least bit of an attempt to undersand what I'm trying to tell you.

[RWCTV]

Originally posted by Kitt
1. Many say he was a Christian and some say he wasn't. One bit of evidence I wouldn't use though if I were you is the Ten Commandments. Especially the one you specifically named "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

2. While the Christian President is in the process of killing on a major scale, that one doesn't wash. In your posts you've tried to justify killling in the mame of God but that's never gone over well with a lot of folks.


Okay, I want to address this this way.

Reply for 1. The term "Christian" unfortunately is determined many different ways. A true Christian is one who trusts Christ as their savior through request and that request is the Sinner's Prayer. This man used skins from Jews for lampshades, hair from Jews to fill pillows, and that is just a couple of things.



2. George W. Bush does not use the name of God to kill innocent civillians. He is intentionally out there to get rid of a regime, and the civillian casualties, (many killed by the regime to add to the U.S.'s death toll) is "unintentional collateral damage". He gave the go-ahead to his troops to go in there and fight off the regime. Some Iraqi's told civillians that if they did not fight with them, against the U.S. they would be killed instantly.

Moving on,
If you compare the decision of George Bush to that of Hitler then you would have to compare all the U.S. presidents to Hitler, since all presidents at one point in time have been responsible for death of someone.

For Example:

Abraham Lincoln: Under Lincoln, Northern Americans killed Southern Americans in order to liberate the slaves (kind of similar to Bush's Liberating the "bound" unfree people of Iraq and protecting us from future terror attacks).

Bill Clinton: Handled Kosovo and Bosnia, which also resulted in civillians dying.

Franklin D. Roosevelt: Gave the greenlight to America to join in World War II after the attack at Pearl Harbor. America was responsible for many German's dying.


"Thou Shalt not Kill" is a rule, unless justified. It is appointed unto the leadership to execute decisions like that.


Kitt, you have raised a question that many have raised on the"Thou Shalt not kill" issue. In fact, many of the Anti-War protestors have had the "turn the other cheek" phrase from the bible as well. However, the bible also states that if you do not deal with evil, then it will prevail and that is the justification of this particular war. I mean it's the background "moral" of the war.

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by RWCTV




Kitt, you have raised a question that many have raised on the"Thou Shalt not kill" issue. In fact, many of the Anti-War protestors have had the "turn the other cheek" phrase from the bible as well. However, the bible also states that if you do not deal with evil, then it will prevail and that is the justification of this particular war. I mean it's the background "moral" of the war. So true. Listen here, I ahve this teen NIV (new international version) Bible and every here and there it has these little "footnotes" if you will and one is about war. It talks about the Cananites, but same difference.

How could a loving God tell his people to "completly destroy" the Canaanites? God gave this command to protect his people. deutoronomy 20:18 explains clearly that if any canaanites were left they would teach the Isrealites to worship idols.
Archeology has revealed much about Canaanites religion, which features prostitution,immorality, even burning children alive to please their gods. And because the Isrealites did not exterminate these people,exactly what God warned about did happen. the canaanites turned the Isrealites to idoltary.
So was God being brutal or bloodthirsty when he gave this command? not at all. It was the Canaanites who were bloodthirsty,brutal and immoral. God was protecting his people and punishing the Canaanites as they desrved.

*note this is not a Bible verse but was a footnote in my Bible in Deuteronomy.

Sounds like the Canaanites are pretty much like, Suddam, Ossama,a nd the talabain, huh?

[laceyinthesky]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
God gave this command to protect his people. deutoronomy 20:18 explains clearly that if any canaanites were left they would teach the Isrealites to worship idols.
Archeology has revealed much about Canaanites religion, which features prostitution,immorality, even burning children alive to please their gods. And because the Isrealites did not exterminate these people,exactly what God warned about did happen. the canaanites turned the Isrealites to idoltary.

So if someone convinces me to worship an idol it's their fault because they convinced me to?

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by laceyinthesky


So if someone convinces me to worship an idol it's their fault because they convinced me to? that's NOT the point I was trying to get across. And it would be both parties fault

[Kitt]

Originally posted by vintagetvgirl


Don't you realize that Saddam Hussein has killed MANY more Iraqis(and yes,that includes children!),than Bush could ever equal??Or does that not matter to you?? Because my solution isn't your solution doesn't mean that the plight of the Iraqi people "does not matter to (me)". To ask that question of me is an insincere way of dealing with the problem. The world is full of circumstances similar to Iraq's. Warring on a number of them or all of them is not a possible, desirable or reasonable solution to the problem. I'm not convinced that "liberation" has much if anything to do with why we're fighting this war. And that reason wasn't even mentioned until other reasons--WMD's, al Qaeda, threat to the US, failed to move the populace to back the war plan.

Note this question posed by Ellen Dunst:

Why do we purport to be fighting in the name of liberating the Iraqi people when we have no interest in violations of human rights—as evidenced by our habit of looking the other way when they occur in China, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Syria, Burma, Libya, and countless other countries? Why, of all the brutal regimes that regularly violate human rights, do we only intervene militarily in Iraq? Because the violation of human rights is not our true interest here. We just say it is as a convenient means of manipulating world opinion and making our cause seem more just.





Ellen Dunst

[laceyinthesky]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
that's NOT the point I was trying to get across. And it would be both parties fault

Whether or not that was the point you were trying to get across you still said that in your post. If someone convinces me to do something, it's my fault for doing it, not theirs. How is it both parties fault?

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by laceyinthesky


Whether or not that was the point you were trying to get across you still said that in your post. If someone convinces me to do something, it's my fault for doing it, not theirs. How is it both parties fault? becuase they shouldn't have convinced you to do soemthing bad in the first place.

[laceyinthesky]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
becuase they shouldn't have convinced you to do soemthing bad in the first place.

Yes, it's wrong for someone to try to get me to do someting wrong, it's still not their fault for my decision.

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by laceyinthesky


Yes, it's wrong for someone to try to get me to do someting wrong, it's still not their fault for my decision. but what I was trying topost was that God was trying to protect his people from worshiping the idols and doing immoral things.

[laceyinthesky]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
but what I was trying topost was that God was trying to protect his people from worshiping the idols and doing immoral things.

If God is trying to protect his people then why does he allow evil in the first place? Shouldn't he try to protect those that do evil as well?

[Kitt]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
but what I was trying topost was that God was trying to protect his people from worshiping the idols and doing immoral things. I read your original post. It sounds like a justification for genocide.

[laceyinthesky]

Originally posted by Kitt
I read your original post. It sounds like a justification for genocide.

agreed.

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by laceyinthesky


If God is trying to protect his people then why does he allow evil in the first place? Shouldn't he try to protect those that do evil as well? he didnt orginally allow evil, the world was perfect, but then Adama nd Eve sinned and it all went from there. If we were all perfect we would be puupets controlled by God, he wants us to have our own free will,. So he lets us decide if we choose him or not, but it's a sorry chioce if you don't. yeah and everyone sins, but if you know you are a sinner and trust in God he will help you to do right. You still won't be perfect-no one ever is, but at least you ahve God helping you in your decisions. There is a diffrence if you sin and you are just pure evil like Suddam and don't look to God for guidence, than if oyu are looking to God for guidence but still sin.

[laceyinthesky]

Originally posted by ~Tropical Punch 19~
he didnt orginally allow evil, the world was perfect, but then Adama nd Eve sinned and it all went from there.

Obviously they weren't completely perfect, otherwise they wouldn't have had the ability to possess evil.