Do you think you are going to Heaven or Hell?

[RainMan]

I think I'm going to hell for the following reasons:

I'm bisexual
I stole something in the sixth grade
I lie lol
And I watch Queer As Folk



Nate

[RainMan]

Oh, and another might I add, I don't go to church except like on Holidays, my mom and I go, but my bro and dad don't cuz they are too busy acting MANLY.


Nate

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Going to hell over lying??? Not if you ask for forgiveness. Anyways, to answer the question- Heaven.

[Brian]

Heaven.

[White_Daisy]

I believe in reincarnation

[C Doody]

Heaven

[Mossopp]

Nate - don't do yourself a discredit, mate.
I'm gay and I know I'm not going to hell. The Bible may say that homosexuality is a sin but I don't live my life by the teachings of the Bible - I'm not a religious person. I have lived my life the way I have felt is right and I've never intentionally harmed or hurt another human being. I'm not a bad person and I'm not going to hell simply for being gay. And neither are you.
Hold your head up high, mate - being bi/gay is nothing to be ashamed of.

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

Heaven cuz i believe in the lord and everything, but there's way anyone could go into heaven being perferct b/c it's impossible...

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Purgatory, hopefully.

[C Doody]

I Dont go to Church but i feel i will still get in. I Do believe in God and Pray every day, But what i dont believe in is religion. The way i see it is if you pick a religion it basically means your against the other religions (Not in a War kind of way, But differnces in beliefs). Its best to just go by your own way and do what you honestly feel is the right thing to do. Thats My Opinion. We all do bad things but as long as we ask for forgiveness and not constantly do things you know are wrong, I Feel you have a good chance of getting into Heaven.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
but there's way anyone could go into heaven being perferct b/c it's impossible...
Thats how you get to Heaven. You have to admit your sins and ask for forgiveness to get to Heaven. Thats what I learned in church. I doubt the "big man upstairs" is going to turn someone down because they stole gum @ Gortons when they were 6.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by White_Daisy
I believe in reincarnation
Ohh me too. Hmm... maybe Ill stay in Heaven for awhile and come back again. I dunno.. I cant plan these things out.

[~Teddybear~]

If I hadn't asked for forgiveness, I'd be going to hell for:

1. braking my brothers finger
2. throwing the cat across the room
3. cursing at my mother
4. getting suspended from the drama club
5. and stilling perfume from the drug store (it was cheap anyway)

but I'm a Christian, so I'm definitely going to heaven..

[White_Daisy]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Ohh me too. Hmm... maybe Ill stay in Heaven for awhile and come back again. I dunno.. I cant plan these things out.

pardon?

[Georgia's on my Mind]

yeah and um i'm not worried about it right now...cause I'm not planning on going anywhere soon

[C Doody]

I Dont believe in Reincarnation, And quite frank;y im glad i dot. I Wouldnt want to give up everything and everyone i know and love only to be some other person after i die.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by White_Daisy


pardon?
I dunno LOl. I meant come back later or something.. I dunno.. Im as confused as you are.

[White_Daisy]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

I dunno LOl. I meant come back later or something.. I dunno.. Im as confused as you are.

....okay?

[C Doody]

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
yeah and um i'm not worried about it right now...cause I'm not planning on going anywhere soon

If you got hit by a truck tommorow i dont think you have much choice :lol:

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Thats how you get to Heaven. You have to admit your sins and ask for forgiveness to get to Heaven. Thats what I learned in church. I doubt the "big man upstairs" is going to turn someone down because they stole gum @ Gortons when they were 6. That is exactly what i was gonna say!

[White_Daisy]

Originally posted by Chad Doody
I Dont believe in Reincarnation, And quite frank;y im glad i dot. I Wouldnt want to give up everything and everyone i know and love only to be some other person after i die.

The way I learned it in Vedic books is that your life is truly over when you attain Moksha. I believe in that except I say that life is truly over when you reach a point of no suffering. Reincarnation gives you that opportunity of attaining Moksha.

I don't see it as giving up the people I love, but going on in another life and meeting new people to love. I have a very happy life and to me, that means that in my previous life, I had fulfilled all my duties as a person. And I hope to continue doing it so that I will know only happiness in my life.

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally posted by Chad Doody


If you got hit by a truck tommorow i dont think you have much choice :lol:

But that's then....this is now....and tomorrow is always another day, and if it's not....think about it tomorrow....(I don't think that came out quite right but,) basically what will happen will happen and you can't sit here worrying about the future when you have no idea what will come...

[Hollow]

I think i'll go to heaven but if i go to hell it'll be for-

Getting in trouble at school every day
Cussing
Stealing from wal*mart for 2 years
Saying God's name in vein
Wanting a tattoo [a wee lil image of the sky on my hip :)]
Thinkin war is kinda exciting
Bein racist when it comes to dating
Wearing punk/goth jewlery and black nail polish
Hating ppl
Watching naughty shows and listening to naughty music

thats all i can think of

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by White_Daisy


....okay?
I dunno. Ill start over. Im going to Heaven. BUT, I also hear about people having past lives and such and Id maybe want to have a future life for perspective. I always want my presence to be known on Earth. Make sense?

[White_Daisy]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

I dunno. Ill start over. Im going to Heaven. BUT, I also hear about people having past lives and such and Id maybe want to have a future life for perspective. I always want my presence to be known on Earth. Make sense?

...sorta...I think I've understood:D
That took a while.

[Brian Damage]

I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. Going to heaven has to be earned, so it's a work in progress.

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally posted by Kelly Osbourne
I think i'll go to heaven but if i go to hell it'll be for-

Getting in trouble at school every day
Cussing
Stealing from wal*mart for 2 years
Saying God's name in vein
Wanting a tattoo [a wee lil image of the sky on my hip :)]
Thinkin war is kinda exciting
Bein racist when it comes to dating
Wearing punk/goth jewlery and black nail polish
Hating ppl
Watching naughty shows and listening to naughty music

thats all i can think of

I don't think you will go to hell for wanting a tatoo....or by dressing a certain way...*shrugs* even though tatoo's are signs of the devil

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by White_Daisy


...sorta...I think I've understood:D
That took a while.
LOl yeah. Im known to confusing people a lot with my explainations. Not to mention directions.:seeya:

[~Tropical Punch 19~]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. Going to heaven has to be earned, so it's a work in progress. Going to Heaven is IS NOT EARNED!!! That is why Jesus died on the cross for our sins that way going to heaven is a free gift. If you accept Him, and ask him to forgive you for all your sins. Then u already have your ticket to ehaven. Even if you sin later it's ok. God know's we aren't perfect.

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. Going to heaven has to be earned, so it's a work in progress. why would it have to be earned it doesnt even say that in the bible.....I believe that Believing in the lord is enough and repenting of your sins (sincerely....not just like, 'ok im gonna go kill somebody but it wont matter cuz I gonna repent' )

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
why would it have to be earned it doesnt even say that in the bible.....I believe that Believing in the lord is enough and repenting of your sins (sincerely....not just like, 'ok im gonna go kill somebody but it wont matter cuz I gonna repent' ) Exactly I agree. If Ossama believed in God and asked for forgiveness and admitted his sins, he would go to Heaven too.

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Thats how you get to Heaven. You have to admit your sins and ask for forgiveness to get to Heaven. Thats what I learned in church. I doubt the "big man upstairs" is going to turn someone down because they stole gum @ Gortons when they were 6. yeah, the idea that ppl who sin one time because of something like lying is really retarded thinking imo cuz no one would go to heaven then

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally posted by Rudy and Kenny4eva
Going to Heaven is IS NOT EARNED!!! That is why Jesus died on the cross for our sins that way going to heaven is a free gift. If you accept Him, and ask him to forgive you for all your sins. Then u already have your ticket to ehaven. Even if you sin later it's ok. God know's we aren't perfect.

So a Christian kills 500 people, is always beleiveing in God....then repents there still going to heaven? And heaven isn't a "free gift" well not in my opinion...you have to act on your beleives throughout your life....if God only judged us on beleive and not action...i don't know...it just doesn't sound right to me

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
yeah, the idea that ppl who sin one time because of something like lying is really retarded thinking imo cuz no one would go to heaven then Yeah I know. I mean, I bet we sin atleast 2 or 3 times a day-- we just dont know it. In Gods eyes, a sin is a sin. To him, killing a man is just as sinful as cheating on your math quiz. Either way you cut it theyre both sins.

[pandora_spocks]

Originally posted by RainMan
I think I'm going to hell for the following reasons:

I'm bisexual
I stole something in the sixth grade
I lie lol
And I watch Queer As Folk



Nate


Aww, just because you're bisexual is no reason to be sent to hell. And I watch Queer as Folk so I guess I'm going to hell then too. Oh well, at least I'll be warm and toasty! :lol:
It's either hell for me or being stuck on earth for unsettled reasons or something like that.

[C Doody]

Originally posted by Rudy and Kenny4eva
Going to Heaven is IS NOT EARNED!!! That is why Jesus died on the cross for our sins that way going to heaven is a free gift. If you accept Him, and ask him to forgive you for all your sins. Then u already have your ticket to ehaven. Even if you sin later it's ok. God know's we aren't perfect.

No its not Ok. In a way you do have tarn it. People cant just do whatever they want despite knowing its wrong just because God will forgive them, Thats taking advantage of God. Forgiveness is meant for ple that dont mean to do things wrong or really have to. Purposely Killing someone and than asking for forgiveness is not earning it.

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
Yeah I know. I mean, I bet we sin atleast 2 or 3 times a day-- we just dont know it. In Gods eyes, a sin is a sin. To him, killing a man is just as sinful as cheating on your math quiz. Either way you cut it theyre both sins.

well not really...there are diffrent types of sins....

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

WHERE in the bible does it say you have to earn anything??? it doesnt......it says believe in the lord and you will be saved

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind


well not really...there are diffrent types of sins....
Oh, well I was taught that all sins are the same in Gods eyes, just as long as you ask for forgiveness.

[C Doody]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Oh, well I was taught that all sins are the same in Gods eyes, just as long as you ask for forgiveness.

Its not the sins you do, Its the intentions you have when you do the Sins.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Chad Doody


No its not Ok. In a way you do have tarn it. People cant just do whatever they want despite knowing its wrong just because God will forgive them, Thats taking advantage of God. Forgiveness is meant for ple that dont mean to do things wrong or really have to. Purposely Killing someone and than asking for forgiveness is not earning it.
Exactly. I dont go around killing people and then asking God to forgive me just to prove my faith.
---
IMO, the only thing you have to do to "earn" Gods respect is to respect him and believe in him. I dont go to church.. so does that mean Im not as faithful as the next guy? I dont get why you have to go to church every Sunday to prove your faith- yes it is respectful to God and for what he did for us, he deserves it, but just because I dont go anymore doesnt mean I "lost" my faith. If anything, Im more faithful then ever.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Chad Doody


Its not the sins you do, Its the intentions you have when you do the Sins. Ok, now Im getting confused..LOl

[la0919]

Originally posted by ~Teddybear~
If I hadn't asked for forgiveness, I'd be going to hell for:

2. throwing the cat across the room


you threw a cat across a room......!!!!!!!!!! *GASP* what were you thinking????????? *GASP again*

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Chad Doody


Its not the sins you do, Its the intentions you have when you do the Sins.
Hmm.. well, we all sin unintentionally. But yea, obviously if youre out running around committing crimes, you know its a sin. And, if youre not religious, then you know its a crime.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by la0919


you threw a cat across a room......!!!!!!!!!! *GASP* what were you thinking????????? *GASP again*
Yea, I read that earlier but decided not to say anything because I am such an animal rights person and I didnt want to go on a tangent LOl. But yea.. seriously.. throwing it against a room?

[RainMan]

I am thinking that if I die, I might become something else like a cat or a giraffe or something like that.

Well, I just came on to check me mail, so I will be gettin on later


OFF TO PLAY NINTENDO GAMECUBE!!!



Nate


PS I believe in God.

[C Doody]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Hmm.. well, we all sin unintentionally. But yea, obviously if youre out running around committing crimes, you know its a sin. And, if youre not religious, then you know its a crime.

What i meant by that is, If you killed someone out of rage because you got seriously mad, It is a bad sin...But not as bad as if you killed someone just because you feel like it or as Revenge.

[Rhiannon]

I haven't thought too hard about it, and it's really not for me to decide

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Chad Doody
What i meant by that is, If you killed someone out of rage because you got seriously mad, It is a bad sin...But not as bad as if you killed someone just because you feel like it or as Revenge.
Ohhhhhhh ok..yeah, I get it now. Thanks LOl.

[Mr. Stefani]

I don't believe in "heaven" or "Hell", so I'm not going to either.

[Chocoholic]

I've always thought of Hell as a psychological state of mind rather than an actual physical place. I've been in my own living Hell for quite a few years, but I'm finally getting help and God is showing me the sunshine that I haven't been able to see for a long time.

As for Heaven, I believe in it. I accept that Jesus died on the cross for us and that if we ask for forgiveness and try to live a god, Christian life, we will go to Heaven.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by WingsFan
I've always thought of Hell as a psychological state of mind rather than an actual physical place.Yeah, I agree. To me, Hell isnt all hot and firey. To me, its your own personal Hell that was created just for you. The worst thing you could imagine Hell for you is what it is made to be, because youre the one who has to deal with it for eternity. Ugh, did that make any sense?

[Kay Scarpetta]

I don't believe in Heaven or Hell. But if there turns out to be one, well yeah....I'm going to Hell. Say 'hi' to your new leader. :)

[Titania]

heaven


and in response to the question about sins being equal- yes i do believe that all sins are equal in God's eyes (anyone happen to know where that is in the Bible? Im not sure...) lying is the same as murder if you dont ask for forgiveness and are not sorry for it.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by Miss Karly
I don't believe in Heaven or Hell. But if there turns out to be one, well yeah....I'm going to Hell. Say 'hi' to your new leader. :)

...and as Queen Karly's right-hand stooge, I'M bringing the marshmallows!!!:D :clap: :rock: :notworthy

[ABlairican Pie]

Sing me a song, you're a singer
Do me a wrong, you're a bringer of evil
The devil is never a maker
The less that you give, you're a taker

And it's on and on and on, it's Heaven and Hell.




Oh well.

[TJL]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
The worst thing you could imagine Hell for you is what it is made to be, because youre the one who has to deal with it for eternity.

Great, that means I'll be spending eternity on line at the supermarket..

I'm not afrid to go to Hell. At least I'll be with my friends.

;)

[ABlairican Pie]

I was thinking of this last night about the issue of heaven and hell
and I realized why it makes sense to believe in it is that, if there were no heaven and hell, that would make it a little less motivation to do good things in this life or change the bad--NOT because we're trying to "earn" our way into heaven or prevent ourselves from going to hell, but because we are trying to promote the ultimate goodness--the Kingdom of Heaven, as Jesus promised. The Kingdom of Heaven is HERE AND NOW, He says, not just pie in the sky. I believe in a "heaven" where the righteous reign in the life to come, but it has to happen here and now. As Christians (or good believers), we have to tend to the suffering and injustice in our world NOW.
Hell comes in the rejection of the ultimate good.

[AnaheimPMWitch]

I think i'll go to Heaven and this is just my opinion Mind you but I dont think that if you dont go to church and you swear and stuff that You will automatically Go To Hell?? I mean COME ON noones perfect My Fave movie is Practical Magic and its about Witches does that mean I'm going to Hell??? I DONT think so

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

If the world was without sin, we would live very boring lives..


Sins I mean by things we dont consider "bad" like certain movies, TV shows, or clothes not crimes etc.

[C Doody]

Originally posted by TJL


Great, that means I'll be spending eternity on line at the supermarket..

And ill be tied to a chair watching Spiceworld Over and Over

:eek:

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Chad Doody


And ill be tied to a chair watching Spiceworld Over and Over

:eek:
LOl. You just dont have the GURL POWER in ya! Besides, those platforms would look hideous on you. I dont know what hell would be like for me.. probably stuffed in a place filled with tons of people just.. staring @ me..

[LucyFan]

I think I will be going to Heaven. I can sense it in my heart.

[Hollow]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
Thats how you get to Heaven. You have to admit your sins and ask for forgiveness to get to Heaven. Thats what I learned in church. I doubt the "big man upstairs" is going to turn someone down because they stole gum @ Gortons when they were 6.
really? thats cool lol.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Kelly Osbourne

really? thats cool lol.
Yups.. thats it LOl. But, you have to mean it. This is just what I was taught in Sunday School.

[Beruche]

Originally posted by White_Daisy
I believe in reincarnation

Me too. If I did have to go to heaven or hell it would probably be hell though.

[Moonlight Lady]

I'll probably be in heaven. I can't think of a reason why I wouldn't. :)

[JoPol_wannabe]

I know I'm going to heaven and there is no other place I'd rather be. Actually my minister told me that a chruch isn't a building it's the memebers (people) see you can hold chruch anywhere but it's the people that make it chruch. So technically you can have chruch at home it's just that god wants you to do it with a group of people and a minister incase you have questions and not sure about things they can help you answer them.

[Hollow]

What do these commandments mean?


2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:


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7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.


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9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.


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10.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

[Christopher]

I'm already in hell so I couldn't care less where I go when I die. It's up to God not me.

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

Originally posted by Kelly Osbourne
What do these commandments mean?


2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:


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7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.


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9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.


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10.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. 2. means you shouldnt put other things above God so much that you worship it

7 means u shouldnt have sex with other ppl other than your spouce if you're married

9 means dont lie

10 means dont be jealous....

[Brandon]

i don't believe in either of them, but these 2 church ladies came by our house last month, and 'saved' me. so no matter how much i sin, i'm going to heaven. so they said...

[*Melissa*]

I don't fully believe in the Christian concept of Heaven and Hell. I believe in past lives, so I believe you are reborn pretty much no matter how you live this life. So, I don't think I'm going anywhere but back here.

[Hollow]

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
2. means you shouldnt put other things above God so much that you worship it

7 means u shouldnt have sex with other ppl other than your spouce if you're married

9 means dont lie

10 means dont be jealous....


o ok...the last 1 is kinda stupid tho cuz u cant help it if ur jealous, but o well.

[Three'sCompanyrules]

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe
I know I'm going to heaven and there is no other place I'd rather be. Actually my minister told me that a chruch isn't a building it's the memebers (people) see you can hold chruch anywhere but it's the people that make it chruch. So technically you can have chruch at home it's just that god wants you to do it with a group of people and a minister incase you have questions and not sure about things they can help you answer them.


I Agree, I know I'm going to Heaven and there is definityly no place that I'd rather be! I asked Christ into my life and now I don't worry about when I die because I know I'm going to a much better place. If I ever have any questions my pastors at my church are always there for me.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by Kelly Osbourne

o ok...the last 1 is kinda stupid tho cuz u cant help it if ur jealous, but o well.

Actually, it means, don't wish you could have your neighbor's things so much to the point that you would steal them.

[pandora_spocks]

IMO, when we die we go to another world like ours i guess, but without the people who are currently living in this world. Does that make sense? Either that or we die, and are re-born into the other world instead of as we were when we died. This is one of those questions that keeps floating around in my brain. Frankly, i'm so paranoid about thinking about my last breath it's creepy. I try to put it out of my mind, but it lingers on. It's one of those puzzling mysteries that we don't find out until we do die. Anyone wanna break out the ouija board and find out now? :wave:

[la0919]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
If the world was without sin, we would live very boring lives..

i'm sorry but this just made me laugh, what kind of crack are you smoking anyway? if the world was without sin then the world would be perfect and we'd all be living in the freaking Garden of Eden. can you imagine what it would be like there? it'd be absolutly....Great!

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by la0919
i'm sorry but this just made me laugh, what kind of crack are you smoking anyway? if the world was without sin then the world would be perfect and we'd all be living in the freaking Garden of Eden. can you imagine what it would be like there? it'd be absolutly....Great!
Sorry, but I dont "smoke" anything except the BBQ. Like I said, I didnt mean sin such as crimes, etc. I meant sins what really over religious people consider sins SUCH AS: Jerry Springer, Eminem, Sopranos, black nail polish, blue hair, etc. I might not necessarily like all of those things, but a lot of people do and if we all had to dress the same in white it would be a very boring life... We're born as individuals and are supposed to express it. Perfect is boring, IMO.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
If the world was without sin, we would live very boring lives..


Sins I mean by things we dont consider "bad" like certain movies, TV shows, or clothes not crimes etc.

You have a point there. As a screenwriter, I know that you can't have a story without CONFLICT.


The reason why God made man to have clothes is because He wants us to wonder what everyone else is hiding underneath...;)

[Plata]

Originally posted by la0919
if the world was without sin then the world would be perfect and we'd all be living in the freaking Garden of Eden. can you imagine what it would be like there? it'd be absolutly....Great!

I agree. It's a shame that people don't act like what they believe. I find it ironic that priests who are supposed to be religious molest children. I think religion is evil. I think that people who aren't religious are actually nicer. I wish that the world was perfect, although it never will be as long as we have idiots like George Bush and Saddam Hussein in the world. If aleins exist, I hope they come and save us soon before this world goes down into a hell-hole from all this war, disease, starvation and all the other bad things that go on in the planet Earth. :(

[Czas na Zywiec]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Sorry, but I dont "smoke" anything except the BBQ. Like I said, I didnt mean sin such as crimes, etc. I meant sins what really over religious people consider sins SUCH AS: Jerry Springer, Eminem, Sopranos, black nail polish, blue hair, etc. I might not necessarily like all of those things, but a lot of people do and if we all had to dress the same in white it would be a very boring life... We're born as individuals and are supposed to express it. Perfect is boring, IMO.

I agree with Crystal. can you imagine presidential debates?

Gore: I say that people should vote for me.
Bush: I totally agree.
Gore: Yes, I do too.

Kind of a dumb example, but we need temptation in this world. Anyone ever read 'Gulliver's Travels' by Johnathan Swift? Remember when he went to Houyhnhnmland and saw their perfect society? Sure it was just and fair, but they expressed no emotion whatsoever. Death was nothing. They traded children because each family should have one boy and one girl. There are no arguements whatsover, and it's the smae thing everyday, day in and day out. Would you like to live in a perfect society such as that?

[AnaheimPMWitch]

all I have to say is if the world was Perfect I"d be VERY BORED I mean I"m considered a Good girl but all of my Friends ARENT opposites attract so when it comes to FRIENDS ATLEAST all of them are opposite me (Men on the other hand I like sweet,romantic,caring types)anyways so if we lived in a world that was perfect My life would suck HECK I probably wouldnt get along with my own family if the world was perfect

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by Plata


I agree. It's a shame that people don't act like what they believe. I find it ironic that priests who are supposed to be religious molest children. I think religion is evil. I think that people who aren't religious are actually nicer. I wish that the world was perfect, although it never will be as long as we have idiots like George Bush and Saddam Hussein in the world. If aleins exist, I hope they come and save us soon before this world goes down into a hell-hole from all this war, disease, starvation and all the other bad things that go on in the planet Earth. :(


Religion has caused a lot of evil things in this world, but just remember atheistic communism, i.e., Stalinist Soviet Union, caused a lot of evil against religious people.

[webuster]

There are a few confusing things to do with heaven and hell. I think to get into 'Heaven' you must first live a good life, respecting others, and second, you must ask forgiveness. It has nothing to do with religion, it isn't your fault if a religion is forced on you by family or government, or you choose it, it's the fact you believe in something else. The asking forgiveness probably doesn't work if you keep getting forgiven, then do it again and again. The good life thing, that is complicated, for all we know- Hitler could be in heaven, he practised his religion alot openly, and after all, some humans just can't help it. So it is confusing about the concept.:wave: Maybe there's ceratin levels in heaven

[~LadyJess~]

What if we already all died and this is hell? I came up with this theory awhile ago and I just said it as a joke, but what if it's true? Anyway, I believe that I am going to Heaven because, while I have sinned, it's been nothing major and while I don't like going to church I still consider myself a religious person.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Sing me a song, you're a singer
Do me a wrong, you're a bringer of evil
The devil is never a maker
The less that you give, you're a taker

And it's on and on and on, it's Heaven and Hell.




Oh well.

The lover of life's not the sinner
The ending is just a beginning
The closer you get to the meaning
The sooner you'll know that you're dreaming

And it's on and on and on, it goes on and on and on,
Heaven and Hell...

I can tell...

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


The lover of life's not the sinner
The ending is just a beginning
The closer you get to the meaning
The sooner you'll know that you're dreaming

And it's on and on and on, it goes on and on and on,
Heaven and Hell...

I can tell...
TAKE IT HOME CAP'N!! *waves lighter*

[Tuesday Weld]

hmmm,I don't know what to think,because,I'm not sure that I believe in heaven or hell.I do believe in God as our creator and I do believe in some type of afterlife,that we probably all go to,that's not a punishment for any of us.I don't believe that God punishes us by condemning us to hell.I think everyone's fate after death is the same.I hope that made sense.:)

[JoPol_wannabe]

Originally posted by vintagetvgirl
hmmm,I don't know what to think,because,I'm not sure that I believe in heaven or hell.I do believe in God as our creator and I do believe in some type of afterlife,that we probably all go to,that's not a punishment for any of us.I don't believe that God punishes us by condemning us to hell.I think everyone's fate after death is the same.I hope that made sense.:)

Actually god does punish us when we sin because if he didn't we'd all be sinning all the time like it was a regular ok thing to do. I mean like for example if you take your parents car out for a drive without asking your going to get punished so you realize that it was wrong and so hopfully you won't do it again. Also some people do go to hell I mean if you don't love and believe in god and try to follow the commandents or read the bible then yes your going to go to hell that is the punishment god made for unbelievers.

[*Melissa*]

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe

Also some people do go to hell I mean if you don't love and believe in god and try to follow the commandents or read the bible then yes your going to go to hell that is the punishment god made for unbelievers.

What about religions that don't follow the Bible? What about the hindus and other religions? Are you saying that all of their followers are going to Hell because they don't have commandments and the Bible? What about Wiccans, who don't have a Bible but still worship a God and Goddess?

I knew someone back in high school who we nicknamed "The Reverand." He once said that "if you don't believe in the Bible and believe that Jesus was the Son of God, you're going to Hell." So he pretty much condemned every Jewish person to Hell.

I'm not saying that you're not allowed to have your beliefs, but, IMO, others are allowed to follow their own beliefs as well.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by Slayer Faith


What about religions that don't follow the Bible? What about the hindus and other religions? Are you saying that all of their followers are going to Hell because they don't have commandments and the Bible? What about Wiccans, who don't have a Bible but still worship a God and Goddess?

I knew someone back in high school who we nicknamed "The Reverand." He once said that "if you don't believe in the Bible and believe that Jesus was the Son of God, you're going to Hell." So he pretty much condemned every Jewish person to Hell.

I'm not saying that you're not allowed to have your beliefs, but, IMO, others are allowed to follow their own beliefs as well.

I don't like the way many people thump their Bibles and condemn everyone to hell. The important thing is to get people to EMBRACE the love of God and decide to turn to him, not scare them. I believe that God is fair, that he will give people a chance to accept, there are passages in the Bible that say those who haven't heard the Christian message will be judged on how they lived their lives, were they greedy or cruel, etc., were they kind, etc. I'm prolly not being very clear about this...:confused:

[Tuesday Weld]

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


I don't like the way many people thump their Bibles and condemn everyone to hell. The important thing is to get people to EMBRACE the love of God and decide to turn to him, not scare them. I believe that God is fair, that he will give people a chance to accept, there are passages in the Bible that say those who haven't heard the Christian message will be judged on how they lived their lives, were they greedy or cruel, etc., were they kind, etc. I'm prolly not being very clear about this...:confused:

That is so true.People shouldn't make God seem like a tyrant.I think God is very patient and fair with all of us:happyface

[*Melissa*]

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


I don't like the way many people thump their Bibles and condemn everyone to hell. The important thing is to get people to EMBRACE the love of God and decide to turn to him, not scare them. I believe that God is fair, that he will give people a chance to accept, there are passages in the Bible that say those who haven't heard the Christian message will be judged on how they lived their lives, were they greedy or cruel, etc., were they kind, etc. I'm prolly not being very clear about this...:confused:

I understand what you're saying. I believe that we all worship the same god in a way. Even if we call Him or Her by different names, I believe it's all the same God/dess.

[Kitt]

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe


Actually god does punish us when we sin because if he didn't we'd all be sinning all the time like it was a regular ok thing to do. I mean like for example if you take your parents car out for a drive without asking your going to get punished so you realize that it was wrong and so hopfully you won't do it again. Also some people do go to hell I mean if you don't love and believe in god and try to follow the commandents or read the bible then yes your going to go to hell that is the punishment god made for unbelievers. Gee, Gods' a tough room.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by JoPol_wannabe


Actually god does punish us when we sin because if he didn't we'd all be sinning all the time like it was a regular ok thing to do. I mean like for example if you take your parents car out for a drive without asking your going to get punished so you realize that it was wrong and so hopfully you won't do it again. Also some people do go to hell I mean if you don't love and believe in god and try to follow the commandents or read the bible then yes your going to go to hell that is the punishment god made for unbelievers.

I think there is a big difference between God "punishing" people and disciplining us. Doesn't God speak to our hearts about "something bad" we are about to do? God does give us freedom of choice whether or not we want to do something that's going to hurt ourselves and others.

[Crimson and Clover]

i dont believe in heaven or hell, i believe in reincarnation.

[Kitt]

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
I was thinking of this last night about the issue of heaven and hell
and I realized why it makes sense to believe in it is that, if there were no heaven and hell, that would make it a little less motivation to do good things in this life or change the bad--NOT because we're trying to "earn" our way into heaven or prevent ourselves from going to hell, but because we are trying to promote the ultimate goodness--the Kingdom of Heaven, as Jesus promised. The Kingdom of Heaven is HERE AND NOW, He says, not just pie in the sky. I believe in a "heaven" where the righteous reign in the life to come, but it has to happen here and now. As Christians (or good believers), we have to tend to the suffering and injustice in our world NOW.
Hell comes in the rejection of the ultimate good. Usually I'm at least half way with you Captain. But this entire thread goes against my grain. I don't know if there is such a thing as heaven/hell and I don't care one way or the other. What disturbs me is that Christians think that they have an exclusive claim on any possible heaven that might exist. I don't need to be motivated to do good in the world. I don't need the threat of hell to make me act right. I don't need Christianity to teach me right from wrong. Im a good person without any of those issues for motivation. So, if there turns out to be a heaven, I am absolutely certain that I'll be there--having had faith or not during my time on earth.

[ABlairican Pie]

That's what I like about you, KF, you have that little way to make me step back and ask questions!!:D I think I may have had a kind of "theoretical" way of looking at the question of heaven and hell when I was thinking about it the other night, the "why we should believe in it" sort of thing. I did read a quote by Gandhi where he said that a religion that people only follow based on promises of rewards in heaven or the threats of punishment in hell is not much of a religion. I know that sounds like I'm backtracking but I
guess what I meant to say is, yes, as a Christian, I/we believe in something "beyond this life"--on the one hand, we don't do good things for ulterior motives (like the parent who says if you behave, we'll take you to Disneyland, if you don't you'll stay in the garage all summer), but on the other hand, if there is no "incentive" or motivation, then there almost didn't seem to be much of a point to doing good. That was one way I was looking at it.
I think of course, we should all realize that doing good is its own reward. I think in that way, that is what Jesus meant by spreading the Kingdom of God on this earth. Can a "pagan" do this? I think so.

I know, I sound confusing...:confused: :lol:

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by kittflynn
Usually I'm at least half way with you Captain. But this entire thread goes against my grain. I don't know if there is such a thing as heaven/hell and I don't care one way or the other. What disturbs me is that Christians think that they have an exclusive claim on any possible heaven that might exist. I don't need to be motivated to do good in the world. I don't need the threat of hell to make me act right. I don't need Christianity to teach me right from wrong. Im a good person without any of those issues for motivation. So, if there turns out to be a heaven, I am absolutely certain that I'll be there--having had faith or not during my time on earth.

Okay, now I'm seeing I quoted something you said you didn't agree with, in my above post about being "motivated" to do good.
Now I'm thinking...when we come right down to it, ARE we as Christians, religious/spiritual people, etc., REALLY motivated by
the thought of heaven when we do good?? We DO GOOD BECAUSE IT'S GOOD!! Gee, we make heaven almost sound like Multi-Level Marketing like Amway...:lol:

[Kitt]

This should go without saying but I'll say it anyway just in case. I do know that many Christian people, as well as non-Christians, do good for it's own sake. And Heaven and hell are not motivating factors. But as you can see by what some have written in this thread, some Christians think that if it weren't for the carrot of Heaven, and the dread of hell they'd be less than outstanding human beings - what, with no reward and all.

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

Originally posted by kittflynn
Usually I'm at least half way with you Captain. But this entire thread goes against my grain. I don't know if there is such a thing as heaven/hell and I don't care one way or the other. What disturbs me is that Christians think that they have an exclusive claim on any possible heaven that might exist. I don't need to be motivated to do good in the world. I don't need the threat of hell to make me act right. I don't need Christianity to teach me right from wrong. Im a good person without any of those issues for motivation. So, if there turns out to be a heaven, I am absolutely certain that I'll be there--having had faith or not during my time on earth. yo, y u offended if you think it's not real? just wondering, cuz i dont believe in religous beliefs but I dont get offended by them if someone else believes them and talks aobut them and what they're all about......

[Kitt]

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
y u offended if you think it's not real? I'm not sure if I understand your question. But I'll try to answer what I think it is. Do I not enjoy being told by some Christians that I'm going to Hell? No I don't enjoy being told that. Just because I don't believe them doesn't mean that I have the skin of an elephant. It's irritating to be told that. It's bad enough to be told that without having to defend my own feelings on top of it. I don't care if people talk about religion but I don't like being told that I'm going to hell. The audacity is just too much.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by kittflynn
This should go without saying but I'll say it anyway just in case. I do know that many Christian people, as well as non-Christians, do good for it's own sake. And Heaven and hell are not motivating factors. But as you can see by what some have written in this thread, some Christians think that if it weren't for the carrot of Heaven, and the dread of hell they'd be less than outstanding human beings - what, with no reward and all.

I read something interesting a while ago in the Humanist magazine (what??!!! Me reading that??!!! I oughta be burned at the stake!!!:eek: ) that the young man who was booted out of the Boy Scouts for being an atheist was told that, "if an atheist found a wallet, he would steal the money out of it while a believer would return it to the owner..." THEY WOULD???:confused: That was the Boy Scouts' reason for requiring for believing in God, a person who doesn't believe "is greedy and thieving...":rolleyes:

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by kittflynn
I'm not sure if I understand your question. But I'll try to answer what I think it is. Do I not enjoy being told by some Christians that I'm going to Hell? No I don't enjoy being told that. Just because I don't believe them doesn't mean that I have the skin of an elephant. It's irritating to be told that. It's bad enough to be told that without having to defend my own feelings on top of it. I don't care if people talk about religion but I don't like being told that I'm going to hell. The audacity is just too much.

I don't think anyone likes being told they're going to hell. I don't believe in the "hellfire and brimstone" method of "conversion". I remember several years ago when a Pastor's Kid (and a real punk, too:mad: ) got baptized, when he was asked what the best part of being a Christian was, he said, "the fact that he wasn't going to hell"...

IS THAT REAAAAALLLY THE BEST REASON?????:confused: :rolleyes:

You'd think it would be something of more spiritual import than
"Fire Insurance"...

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica


I don't think anyone likes being told they're going to hell. I don't believe in the "hellfire and brimstone" method of "conversion". I remember several years ago when a Pastor's Kid (and a real punk, too:mad: ) got baptized, when he was asked what the best part of being a Christian was, he said, "the fact that he wasn't going to hell"...

IS THAT REAAAAALLLY THE BEST REASON?????:confused: :rolleyes:

You'd think it would be something of more spiritual import than
"Fire Insurance"...

That's insane, I hate people like that.