Gary Grant Jr Murder...

[Lu/RosaFan429]

Hi everyone,
I'am alongtime fan of "Unsolved Mysteries" I was wondering if anyone knows any information/details on when(the date) Grary Grant Jr was murdered I know it was in new jersey some where does someone have any information.... thanks Erin ps this story was aired on "Unsolved Mysteries" sometime in the late 80's or early 90's but the date of the airing i'am not sure of but if anyone knows that date of when the case aired pleae tell me in this reply and pleae respond back

[Kane]

Originally posted by Lu/RosaFan429
I was wondering if anyone knows any information/details on when(the date) Grary Grant Jr was murdered I know it was in new jersey some where does someone have any information.... thanks Erin ps this story was aired on "Unsolved Mysteries" sometime in the late 80's or early 90's but the date of the airing i'am not sure of but if anyone knows that date of when the case aired pleae tell me in this reply and pleae respond back

I'm not sure the airdate, but I am positive that the segment in question aired sometime during the 1993-94 season.

At the end of the segment, Robert Stack mentioned that Gary Grant, Jr. would have been 17 at the time if he had lived. As you'll recall, Gary Grant, Jr. was murdered in January of 1984. He was only seven years old.

[garygrant]

I'm not sure the airdate, but I am positive that the segment in question aired sometime during the 1993-94 season.

At the end of the segment, Robert Stack mentioned Gary Grant, Jr. would have been 17 at the time if he had lived. As you'll recall, Gary Grant, Jr. was murdered in January of 1984. He was only seven years old.

There is an update to the story on my Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/gary.l.grantdaley

Thank you very much for your concern,
Gary L. Grant Sr.

[Apostapler]

Thank you, Mr. Grant! I have sent a request to be added as your friend on facebook...I am looking forward to more news about your son's murder.

[Apostapler]

Facebook group is here:http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54697028028

[TracyLynnS]

The facebook is great.

Mr. Grant mentioned there, that sometimes he will get comments from people asking "why are you so obsessed with this?"

I was reading a newspaper article about Joyce McLain and it had a comments section. In february of this year, her mother commented several times. People were really horrible there, saying awful things about how she should let an old unsolved murder go because it's a "waste" of taxpayer dollars, and a bunch of other negative, hurtful things like how they were sick of reading about the story in the paper. (Then why not skip it, you know?)

I just cannot understand how anyone could have absolutely NO sympathy for the parent, and also no concept of how their "just let it go" attitude is impossible for the parent of a murdered child to accept. I don't think I've ever read about a parent who has ever just let their child's murder or disappearnce "go" just because it's an old unsolved cold case. How can anyone post such a comment directly to a grieving parent is beyond me.

[hostedbyrobertstack]

I just wanted to say that it is great what technology is doing for these cases and keeping the memories alive of these victims. I can't imagine how it must be for the family of the victims...I know time stands still w/ events like this and that 25 years is nothing. I wish we could have a conclusion to this case. I, too, think Mason had something to do w/ this. I just wish the whole story could come out.

On a side note, on Gary's facebook, I thought that was a picture of Dennis Farina for a second.

[Kane]

I was reading a newspaper article about Joyce McLain and it had a comments section. In february of this year, her mother commented several times. People were really horrible there, saying awful things about how she should let an old unsolved murder go because it's a "waste" of taxpayer dollars, and a bunch of other negative, hurtful things like how they were sick of reading about the story in the paper. (Then why not skip it, you know?)

I just cannot understand how anyone could have absolutely NO sympathy for the parent, and also no concept of how their "just let it go" attitude is impossible for the parent of a murdered child to accept. I don't think I've ever read about a parent who has ever just let their child's murder or disappearnce "go" just because it's an old unsolved cold case. How can anyone post such a comment directly to a grieving parent is beyond me.

It never fails to disgust me when people do that. :mad: But I take comfort in knowing that such people are obviously in the minority. That kind of attitude shows just how ignorant they really are. In fact, it makes me want to pull a Bernard Shaw and ask them if they would take their own advice and "let it go" if a killer got away with murdering someone they love.

[UMfan77]

I just cannot understand how anyone could have absolutely NO sympathy for the parent, and also no concept of how their "just let it go" attitude is impossible for the parent of a murdered child to accept. I don't think I've ever read about a parent who has ever just let their child's murder or disappearnce "go" just because it's an old unsolved cold case. How can anyone post such a comment directly to a grieving parent is beyond me.

Those kind of people are so ignorant! Murder victims cannot speak for themselves, so it's up to the family and friends of the victim to speak for them. Isn't that the whole point of tv shows like Unsolved Mysteries? That's the reason I've been a UM follower for all these years, all those poor victims need a voice.

[Kane]

Those kind of people are so ignorant! Murder victims cannot speak for themselves, so it's up to the family and friends of the victim to speak for them. Isn't that the whole point of tv shows like Unsolved Mysteries? That's the reason I've been a UM follower for all these years, all those poor victims need a voice.

UMfan77, great minds think alike! :cool:

Yes, the point of a show like UM is to give the victims a voice. Besides, if they don't do it, who will?

Like TracyLynnS, I've never read about anyone who had a loved one mysteriously murdered and then "let it go." Who in their right mind would take such asinine advice? If you "let it go", the murderer wins! (And so do your detractors!)

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

I'd like to commend Mr. Grant for his dedication and second everyone's remarks. I know firsthand what it's like to be obsessed over MUCH less vital matters. Shame on those people who are negative and judgmental! :mad:

[UnsolvedMystFan]

I don't use facebook and have no pass for it. What does his webpage say? Has there been an update?

[Apostapler]

Gary's father, Gary Sr., sent a facebook message yesterday, January 14, the 26th anniversary of Gary's murder.

For those without facebook, I will paste the info section from his memorial FB page:
Gary Grant Sr. is still waiting for someone to be arrested in the killing of his son, Gary Jr., 25 years ago.
handout




Gary Grant Sr. hoped to close the case of his son’s slaying 25 years ago.
The retired police officer is still waiting.

In 1984, a then-12-year-old boy admitted to bludgeoning Gary Grant Jr. to death near a warehouse in Atlantic City, and then covering the 7-year-old’s body with a rug.

But Carl Mason, known as “Boo” in their Ducktown neighborhood, was never tried for the crime. The state lost its only real evidence when a judge threw out the boy’s confession, saying police “trampled on (his)constitutional rights” with an overnight interview without a guardian present.

Now living in Puerto Rico, Grant has not heard anything about the case since before his retirement eight years ago. He recently started a Facebook page hoping someone will have new information that can bring a conviction in his son’s killing — and a sense of resolution.



The “Memory of Gary L. Grant Jr.” group has nearly 300 members. There are no tips, just words of encouragement and a few memories. But Grant is hopeful that one day someone will speak out.
He still believes Mason killed his son, but wonders whether the boy acted alone. He thinks the preteen’s older brother — arrested on robbery charges just days before the killing — may have tried to get young Gary involved in a scheme in which he allegedly used children to break into homes.

“I believe they were going to force Gary to do something that he didn’t want to do, and he threatened to tell me about it,” Grant said.

After all, little Gary would have known what to do if he found out about something illegal. His dad was a veteran Atlantic City police officer.

Grant was coaching basketball at Our Lady Star of the Sea when his daughter came to the gym Jan. 12, 1984, and asked if he had seen little Gary. Sometimes he would come to help his dad coach.

It was about 4 in the afternoon. Not yet time to worry.

Gary had left his home on the 2500 block of Arctic Avenue about noon, telling his mother, May, he had “an appointment” at 2:30 p.m.

“Someone had to tell him to say that,” Grant said recently. “Seven-year-olds don’t talk like that.” That evening, he got call.

May Grant — who was separated from her husband — said Gary still wasn’t home. Officer Grant called out sick and started looking for his son.

All day Friday, Jan. 13, he was joined by officers, family and friends in the search for Gary.

“I’m just walking around aimlessly hoping to bump into him,” Grant told The Press of Atlantic City at the time.

He said he walked across the empty lot on the 100 block of North California Avenue as he passed out pictures of the missing boy. He never ventured near the warehouse there. That was probably for the best.

At 3:30 p.m. Jan. 14, Robert Hughey found the second-grader’s body in the lot. Hughey — then the state Department of Environmental Protection commissioner — said at the time that he decided to check the warehouse he owned after reading about Gary’s disappearance.

Grant was driving up California Avenue when he saw all the cars in the middle of the street. That’s how he found out his son was dead.

Less than a day later, Mason said he beat Gary to death with a pipe, then covered the body with a rug. But Superior Court Judge John Himmelberger threw out the confession, saying Mason was unreliable and it could not be admitted into evidence. Without it, the case was dropped and Mason freed.

Meanwhile, Grant continued working as a police officer. He was assigned to the same neighborhood where his son’s body was found: “I had to ride by the park God only knows how many times a day.”

But Grant’s job didn’t make access to information easier.

“I think I was actually shut out more than the average citizen would have been,” he said. “I would call the Prosecutor’s Office and ask Major Crimes if anything was happening, and they would never get back to me.”

But Grant was an investigator by nature and occupation. He kept tabs on the case and did some of his own police work.

He didn’t like what he found.

“I wrote a letter to the Attorney General’s Office telling them there were some things that should have been done and they weren’t,” Grant said. “The gentleman who found the body was never even interviewed. Not until I went to his house and interviewed him.”

That’s when Grant said he was pulled off the case entirely.

“I understand there are some things you have to distance yourself from as a cop,” he said. “Even when I was following the investigation on my own, if I thought there was one inkling the person could become a suspect, I wouldn’t talk to them. I advised Major Crimes of every single contact I made or anyone who made contact with me. It wasn’t reciprocal.”

His only updates came from a friend in Major Crimes.

“He worked the case zealously,” Grant said. “He used to keep Gary’s picture on his desk.”

Then one day he called: “Gary, they took me off the case.”

That was the last time he remembers hearing anything.

When he came back to Atlantic City recently, he saw few things he recognized from his years living and working there. Then he found Facebook.

“It’s amazing,” he said. “I saw how rapidly people were connecting with each other and I thought, ‘Wow, what a perfect venue.’ It’s free and it’s spread out all over the place.”

Just before what would have been Gary’s 33rd birthday earlier this month, Grant started the page. “If nothing else, maybe the people involved will say, ‘Uh-oh, this hasn’t gone away,’” Grant said. “Hopefully, they’ll get nervous and say something to somebody.”

No matter what, he won’t give up.

“People comment to me on occasion: ‘Why are you still so obsessed with this?’” Grant said. “He was my son. Believe me, it hurts just as much today as it did that day, the day I found out he died.”

[mwcarolina]

i feel that the boy who was questioned didnt' committ the crime, BUT i think he knows something about Gary Grant Jr's death, my guess is maybe Gary saw something he shouldn't (you know wrong place, wrong time) or maybe revenge on his dad which to me is worse than the wrong place, wrong time idea, hopefully they find Gary's killer.

[SageSlowdive]

Such a sad case.

I can't believe they suspected Boo at first...that just struck me as circumstantial evidence.

Hope one day, they'll find the killer.

[Mastermind]

i feel that the boy who was questioned didnt' committ the crime, BUT i think he knows something about Gary Grant Jr's death, my guess is maybe Gary saw something he shouldn't (you know wrong place, wrong time) or maybe revenge on his dad which to me is worse than the wrong place, wrong time idea, hopefully they find Gary's killer.

Agree with you on Boo. He does know what happened. The problem is that he may not have been capable of interpreting it.

I exchanged messages with Gary Grant Jr.. From that message he seems to be of the belief that Gary Jr.s death was done by someone who had a beef with the elder Gary Grant.

One theory I've ventured is whether Gary Grant Jr. was playing cop and may have stumbled upon something.

Gary Jr.s use of the word "appointment" seems odd to me.

[Steve W.]

I think the killer is probably someone that the elder Gary Grant personally arrested or played a role in sending to jail or prison. That could be a lot of people. It could be anyone from the time he started working as a police officer in that town all the way through 1983.

The killer probably either found out where the Grant residence was or they lived within a mile or two of the Grant residence and that's how they knew of Gary Jr. and where he might be during the day.

[Hambone2421]

Was Gary Grant sexually assaulted? If so, we could be dealing with a sexual predator and it may have nothing to do with someone his father arrested.

[Mastermind]

Was Gary Grant sexually assaulted? If so, we could be dealing with a sexual predator and it may have nothing to do with someone his father arrested.

I believe there is no evidence of sexual assault on Gary Grant Jr.

I also read somewhere that the injuries inflicted on Gary Grant Jr. were capable of being done by a child of Gary's age. One of the reasons why Boo was considered a suspect.

[sdb4884]

Boo is guilty of the crime for sure. The appointment was probably a fight or something.

[XCalibur]

Agree with you on Boo. He does know what happened. The problem is that he may not have been capable of interpreting it.

I exchanged messages with Gary Grant Jr.. From that message he seems to be of the belief that Gary Jr.s death was done by someone who had a beef with the elder Gary Grant.

One theory I've ventured is whether Gary Grant Jr. was playing cop and may have stumbled upon something.

Gary Jr.s use of the word "appointment" seems odd to me.

Little kids say things like that all the time to make themselves seem more grown up. I don't see anything unusual about that. Whether it has signifigance in this particular instance though is anybody's guess.

[XCalibur]

Boo is guilty of the crime for sure. The appointment was probably a fight or something.

Meh, I'm not saying he couldn't have done it, but I don't know how we can be sure at this point. Even if he did it I'm fairly convinced he didn't intend to kill him, probably roughhousing and got angry with eachother and he hit him to hard or something.

And what about the grafiti on the police car?

[XCalibur]

Boo is guilty of the crime for sure. The appointment was probably a fight or something.

Meh, I'm not saying he couldn't have done it, but I don't know how we can be sure at this point. Even if he did it I'm fairly convinced he didn't intend to kill him, probably roughhousing and got angry with eachother and he hit him to hard or something.

And what about the grafiti on the police car?

[mwcarolina]

Boo is guilty of the crime for sure
i think Boo is not guilty of the crime, BUT i think he did know something, my guess is he got threatened by the killer.

[sdb4884]

Meh, I'm not saying he couldn't have done it, but I don't know how we can be sure at this point. Even if he did it I'm fairly convinced he didn't intend to kill him, probably roughhousing and got angry with eachother and he hit him to hard or something.

And what about the grafiti on the police car?

Yeah that is mystifying, some freak maybe who had a run in with his dad.

[drew12]

this is one of the saddest cases that ever was on unsolved mysteries and senseless. i could see a pre teenager do something like this, he didn't know what he was doing and inadvertantly did this. remember anyone at any age anyone can be a good liar and boo may have lied real good. boo may have lied good enough to fool the lie detector.

[drew12]

maybe he owed boo 5 dollars? maybe there was some type of bet? it is hard to imagine a 12 year strike a 7 year old, but i dont put it past anyone. it may have been some type of power trip where boo thought he would intimidate him. a lot of times someone older wants to show someone they are in control of them. could also have been some type of back talk someone said something about him boo and he heard gary said it about him? anything could have set off a pre teenager

[mwcarolina]

this is one of the saddest cases that ever was on unsolved mysteries and senseless. i could see a pre teenager do something like this, he didn't know what he was doing and inadvertantly did this. remember anyone at any age anyone can be a good liar and boo may have lied real good. boo may have lied good enough to fool the lie detector.
i just cant see Boo doing this crime, i am not a big folllower of the lie detector because innocent people sometimes fail it. i follow evidence and other things. something tells me Boo didnt do the crime, BUT i think he saw the crime itself and likely was told that if he said anything, he would die.

[drew12]

lets be clear that teenagers and pre teenagers sometimes fight with each other or one thinks he can out tough the other one. if gary had borrowed a couple dollars or something for ice cream or so from boo that could make someone mad. boo is a prime suspect. sometimes teeenagers threaten younger kids for there lunch money.

[drew12]

i'm not sure what to say about this case.... they mention gary said he had an appointment with someone at 2;30 pm in the afternoon. who was the appointment with? it must have been in that abandoned lot 2 blocks away? it was consistently reported that he was with boo on friday after several officers asked other neighborhood kids. boo did lie about that. so we did catch boo in a lie.the weapon that caused the crime was the pipe? boo was 5 years older then gary, but the same size and weight as gary. i'm not sure what could have happened? gary may have went to that lot and got into a argument with someone his same age in the parking lot? maybe it was boo or maybe it was someone else in the neighborhood?a pre teen or teen? maybe there was someone who his father gary grant sr. knew that was a sick person who did this deed? anybody over the age of 18 to do this to a young person is one sick person. then theres the clue 1 year after the crime someone wrote on a cop car a message, gary grant jr is dead i am still alive son of a pig. this is a weird message, the term son of a pig has been used for sometime though and could be used by anyone over 18 yrs old for sure but also somene under 18 yrs old could say this pig is a common term for cops by teenagers. whoever wrote that on the car had to have some brass as they had to go to the car and stand up in the street in daylight and write it,it could have been a tenager or someone over 18 yrs old. whoever wrote that seems like one sick person. boo may have had a bad seed brother who was into selling drugs a lot and if he was exposed he may want to keep evrything quiet.

[drew12]

with little physical evidence to go by this is a a exampl of a unsolved mystery

[Steve W.]

Someone mentioned before that Boo had an older brother and that his older brother was involved in some shady stuff around the time that Gary was murdered. I think it's very likely that Boo's older brother killed Gary for threatening to say something about his "activities" and that Boo was there when his older brother killed Gary.

Also, I agree that someone had to have some cojones to spray paint or write a message on that police car, even at night, since it was parked in what looked like a city street. This also makes me think that the person who graffitied the car must have known Gary Grant, Sr. and must have known that Grant, Sr. would be inside of a nearby establishment long enough for them to write the message.

[drew12]

that is a possibilty boo's brother he would have been older and a cover up is something that would explain keeping a person quite. if he was older by some years that is possible, remember gary grant jr. did live with his mother only as a single parent family and the dad did not live with them so they may have thought, i'll injury the young kid and there will be no one around to say anything. it may have been drug related. the first clue to the case is the appointment as that has to do with a meeting with someone in his inner circle of friends at school and the neighborhood. i can see a person 16 or 17 threatening boo to death. telling him if he ever says anything they or he will come after him as well. boo would have to keep a secret for years but if it was his brother that would make sense. i can see someone scare boo so much that he clamed up for years. i could see boo's brother maybe selling drugs, gary found out about it and was gonna spill the beans maybe boo's brother said i will keep him quiet. anybody who would write a message on a cop car in daylight or at night has some brass and they could get caught by the cop in the resturant at any time. it is unclear if the message is done by anyone under or over 18 years of age? because i could see a teenager writing that around the age of 16 or 17. pig is a term used by many. if the message was wrote at night it still is unclear if the person is under or over 18 years of age. boo may have had a bad seed brother that was into selling drugs anybody that found out about his doings would be dealt with so he wasnt exposed.

[drew12]

after re looking at the clip again it is for sure that gary was to have a appointment meeting with someone and he seem relaxed for sure so he new who the individual was. it had to be someone in the neighborhood his same age or from school. this definitely sounds like boo. boo also may have been unstable and kids scrapping with each other could have lead to a wrong happening. boo said gary threw a rock at him and hit him in the leg, that may have triggered boo to go after him, there was a thin pipe found in the parking lot, that could have been picked up by a 12 year old for sure the weight was light. we do know boo was silghtly disabled. it also is possible that boo's brother would be hanging around his little brother once in awhile, he may have been involved in selling drugs. gary may have seen boo's brother selling drugs, that would be 1 reason for him to attack gary to keep him quiet. then comes the clue 2 years on the anniversary of the death the message on the cop car of gary grant sr., after looking at it again it does sound like a teenager for sure from the age of 16 years old and up at least could be someone in their 20's and 30's. boo would have been 14 years old 2 years later. boo's brother could have been was older i'm not sure why anyone would go to all that trouble to write the message on the cop car unless they wanted to prove some point to gary grant sr. it does sound like a wiseguy smart ass trying to rub something in to somebody. it says the message was wrote at around 3:15 in the morning on the car in a street. it does sound like someone older wrote that message. on thing, this is a sick sick person. boo i believe has some answers to this whole thing...

[dks64]

Since the murder weapon was left at the crime scene, were they able to pull any prints from it? If not, maybe the person was smart enough to wear gloves... which can pretty much rule out Boo. He wouldn't have had the forethought to do that. Thoughts?

[drew12]

after relooking at the clip again i feel that boo is part of the whole thing and knows who the killer is. boo did take 2 or 3 lie detector tests and when asked if he was there and knew anything the test came back inconclusive. as was said before boo had a brother into unsavory things and may have been a drug seller. if gary had seen some drug selling or something else it may have lead to this happening. i believe boo knows exactly who the killer is. yes there was a small pipe found near the scene. apparently there has been no physical evidence found on the pipe it does make sense someone older then boo did the deed. remeber they didnt look at the dna to much back then but it may have been relookedat but no evidence has been found so far. another thing is the message that was left on the cop car at 3 am on jan 4 '86. that message is defintiely that of a teenager 15 and up.

[chacha6581]

Any new news on this? I just re-watched this episode online and can not believe that Boo was questioned by himself for that long. Geez he was a minor, and mentally handicapped?
Besides that, I think he knew more than he let on for sure. Is he still a suspect? I wonder if he still lives in the area.

[Steve W.]

What was or is Boo Mason's older brother's name? To me, he is the primary suspect.

Other than that, the only other thing I can think of is that someone out to get back at Gary Grant, Sr. kept an eye on his son for awhile and just decided to murder him that day.

But I think Gary meeting with Boo (and maybe not knowing Boo's older brother would be there, too) and his older brother and something happening that led to Boo's brother attacking Gary and killing him seems like the most plausible scenario to me.

Also, I doubt that the graffiti was written by the actual murderer (Boo's older brother or someone else?). As we've seen in other cases (ex: Jay Cook/Tanya Van Cuylenborg), sometimes the person who writes letters or other things related to a murder isn't necessarily the perpretrator, just a messed-up person that has learned about the case and gets some kind of gratification out of doing such a sick thing.

[chacha6581]

Ok. Didn't they say little Gary told someone he had an appointment? That sounded like a Pete and Repeat type of situation. I know kids that were selling drugs back in the day used to talk like that, try to sound grown and like they had business. What do u think? Boo's brother was into the street life right?

[idol]

I don't think UM ever mentioned that Boos older brother was arrested on robbery charges days before the killing.

[Steve W.]

I don't think UM ever mentioned that Boos older brother was arrested on robbery charges days before the killing.

You're right, I don't think they did, either. That's something else that could be added to the "withheld facts" thread. I wonder if this guy (Boo's older brother) is even still alive.

[TheCars1986]

Didn't the UM segment state that despite Boo being older than Gary, he was still smaller than him? If that was true I find it unlikely that Boo would have been strong enough to kill Gary on his own. I still think, based off of the cryptic messages, someone killed Gary in some sick revenge plot for someone who thought they were "wronged" by Gary Sr.

[Steve W.]

Didn't the UM segment state that despite Boo being older than Gary, he was still smaller than him? If that was true I find it unlikely that Boo would have been strong enough to kill Gary on his own. I still think, based off of the cryptic messages, someone killed Gary in some sick revenge plot for someone who thought they were "wronged" by Gary Sr.

You don't think Boo's older brother could have done it?

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

You don't think Boo's older brother could have done it?

Was he released after his arrest? If still jailed, he obviously couldn't have done it.

[TheCars1986]

You don't think Boo's older brother could have done it?

If Gary Grant Sr. ever arrested him for a previous offense, then yeah he would be a person of interest. Another thing I just thought of, how exactly would a seven year old stumble upon something involving drugs, and actually comprehend what was going on? Would it really be worth it to murder a seven year old just because he witnessed some drug deal, when in all probability he didn't even know what just transpired?

[Zlatko]

Very disturbing and sad case.

I do not think the kid Boo murdered Gary. IMO, he seemed benign. I cannot help but think whoever killed Gary Grant had a big vendetta against his father. People can harbor a strong need for revenge.

I am not trying to slam Gary Grant Sr but many of the police officers I have dealt with come off as being high handed and arrogant. It would not surprise me if a vindictive individual tried to get back at him.

[TheCars1986]

Anyone else think there's a decent chance that the grafitti was just some sick joke by some punk that had a personal vendetta against Gary Sr.? The reason I ask this is because if it were indeed someone Gary Sr. arrested before, wouldn't it be fairly easy to pinpoint certain suspects? Anyone with a violent past, arrested for violent crimes, etc. could have be interviewed and eliminated or investigated further. The fact that they were never able to come up with a viable suspect seems like there wasn't anyone (from a previous arrest) that had any real beef with Gary Sr. And why go after his child, rather than Gary Sr. himself?

[justins5256]

Anyone else think there's a decent chance that the grafitti was just some sick joke by some punk that had a personal vendetta against Gary Sr.? The reason I ask this is because if it were indeed someone Gary Sr. arrested before, wouldn't it be fairly easy to pinpoint certain suspects? Anyone with a violent past, arrested for violent crimes, etc. could have be interviewed and eliminated or investigated further. The fact that they were never able to come up with a viable suspect seems like there wasn't anyone (from a previous arrest) that had any real beef with Gary Sr. And why go after his child, rather than Gary Sr. himself?

Ditto. I always wondered why UM drew such a seemingly strong connection between Gary Grant Jr's murder and the graffiti discovered years later. Based on what was shown, anybody could have written it really.

The only thing I can figure is either there was more to the messages than what was shown on TV and perhaps some of the undisclosed content made it apparent that the author was the killer or had intimate knowledge of the crime.

Or, UM played it up to make the story more "scary" or "intriguing" or whatever.

Not to be profane but I always thought the photos of the messages shown during the segment, specifically the one that read "Payback is a M.F." were strange. I mean, assuming those were photos of the actual messages, why not write out the whole word?

[Zlatko]

Anyone else think there's a decent chance that the grafitti was just some sick joke by some punk that had a personal vendetta against Gary Sr.? The reason I ask this is because if it were indeed someone Gary Sr. arrested before, wouldn't it be fairly easy to pinpoint certain suspects? Anyone with a violent past, arrested for violent crimes, etc. could have be interviewed and eliminated or investigated further. The fact that they were never able to come up with a viable suspect seems like there wasn't anyone (from a previous arrest) that had any real beef with Gary Sr. And why go after his child, rather than Gary Sr. himself?The amount of suspects could be very extensive. Someone easily could have gone under the radar.

The killer may have targeted Gary Grant Jr as a sadistic way to get back at Gary Grant Sr. For many people, the worst way to hurt them is to target their loved ones. In order to get back at Gary Grant Sr, the killer would get back at him by killing his son.

[TheCars1986]

The amount of suspects could be very extensive. Someone easily could have gone under the radar.

The killer may have targeted Gary Grant Jr as a sadistic way to get back at Gary Grant Sr. For many people, the worst way to hurt them is to target their loved ones. In order to get back at Gary Grant Sr, the killer would get back at him by killing his son.

I'm sure that Gary Sr.'s arrest record was very lengthy, but it still should have been fairly easy to pinpoint a prior arrest that would have stuck out. I.E. did he ever arrest someone from organized crime, partake in a big drug bust, break up a gang, arrest a sex offender, etc.? Something should have stood out had there indeed been an arrest that would have warranted a retaliation.

[Zlatko]

I'm sure that Gary Sr.'s arrest record was very lengthy, but it still should have been fairly easy to pinpoint a prior arrest that would have stuck out. I.E. did he ever arrest someone from organized crime, partake in a big drug bust, break up a gang, arrest a sex offender, etc.? Something should have stood out had there indeed been an arrest that would have warranted a retaliation.It's worth considering that the killer may not have been someone Gary Grant Sr arrested. Instead, the killer may have been a criminal's loved one, close friend, etc. Some people are often hell bent on getting back at people.

All I'll say is this, Gary Grant Sr probably made a lot of enemies as a police officer. Be it directly or indirectly.

[mwcarolina]

first let me say, if the killer was someone who wanted to kill to get to Gary Grant Sr. and they were someone that he arrested it actually could be difficult, especially if that said person didnt say anything about the arrest and just held it in him and then struck.

now i personally dont know if it was someone out to get Gary Sr. i think Gary Jr. saw something he shouldnt have seen and then was killed for that.

[baloony]

The police bungled this case big time.