Like All In The Family?

[Archie and Edith]

Who thinks this show was like All In the Family?
I think they were the same, a little.

Thanks,

Archie and Edith

[Janice]

The shows are similar in a few ways. These similarities include how both Ralph and Archie are loud and opinionated yet both have a heart of gold. Neither men are that smart in an academic sense.
Also, on both shows, the couples are in love, but don't often show it.
The Kramdens and the Bunkers are blue collar families that lead simple lives and don't have much money. Neither wives work. Alice stood up to Ralph more than Edith did to Archie though.
That's all I can think of for now. :)

[Céline]

I think The Flinstones got more similarities that All in the family.Excuse the comparaison but,I really do!I think that Hanna-Barbara was inspired by this show to make the cartoon:cool:

[LucyFan]

I think The Honeymooners was All in the Family in the 50's. Ralph Kramden reminds me so much of Archie Bunker because they acted just about the same.

[VioletRutherford]

I agree 150%!! I think the characters of Archie & Ralph we're quite a like. I think Archie was made out to be more of a bigot then the character of Ralph Kramden. On the other side of the coin, I think Alice & Edith we're quite different. Alice was not afraid to speak her peace when she felt Ralph was wrong. I felt Edith's character was quite timid. The later years she mustered enough courage to speak her mind with Archie!

[Screenwriter]

[FONT=courier new][COLOR=blue] Its funny how you mention that they're alike, they're even alike outside of TV... Carroll O'Connor and Jackie Gleason mailed each other alot, saying on how their show was different and how they would have liked to try some of the things. The shows both have books about them, and they're both written by the same author... Donna McCrohan.

[Brian Damage]

Aside from Ralph and Archie being similar, I don't really see the comparisons?!?

[W.J. Griffin]

"The Honeymooners" was and is an influential show that still inspires creators to this day...both "Married: With Children" and "Roc" were updated versions of the show (indeed, "Roc" was originally supposed to BE a "Black Honeymooners" before Charles S. Dutton insisted on changes...)

But consider this: "The Honeymooners" itself bears a strong resemblance to another earlier, more infamous sitcom..."The Amos 'n' Andy Show"...from the near-identical opening credits to the similar characters (Ralph/Alice/Norton-Kingfish/Sapphire/Andy)

Think about it.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by Archie and Edith
Who thinks this show was like All In the Family?
I think they were the same, a little.

Thanks,

Archie and Edith

Imagine Ralph Kramden being married to Gracie Allen and you've pretty much got the Bunkers.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by JaneTVFan


Imagine Ralph Kramden being married to Gracie Allen and you've pretty much got the Bunkers.


On second thought, isn't Edith really Ed Norton with a sex change? When Edith gets that look of befuddlement on her face when some comment goes over her head, isn't that look almost identical to the one you see on Ed's face in similar situations? And doesn't Edith drive Archie up the wall with her idiocy the same way Ed does to Ralph?

And isn't Mike really Alice with a sex change? Mike is able to forcefully stand up to Archie and put him in his place the same way Alice did to Ralph.

Then there's Gloria. I don't think her personality is very much unlike that of Trixie's. They even cry similarly. Take away the romantic element of Gloria and Mike's relationship and you have Trixie and Alice's relationship.

Take away the marital element of Archie and Edith's relationship and you have Ralph and Ed's relationship. All in the Family is really just the Honeymooners with a couple sex changes and repartnering.

[avilev]

Over the years, I always thought that Jackie Gleason would have made a terrific Archie Bunker, with the added dimension of "fat " jokes. There were similarities but basically no social issues on The Honeymooners (kind of taboo in the '50s). I think Archie wasn't really a bigot, just incredibly ignorant. Ralph never got into those issues.

[Archie and Edith]

Does anyone think Norton was like Barney Hefner? I think so. Norton got on Ralph's nerves and Barney got on Archie's nerves. so here's another similarity.

[treky]

I think The Flinstones got more similarities that All in the family.Excuse the comparaison but,I really do!I think that Hanna-Barbara was inspired by this show to make the cartoon:cool:Thet were inspired by it, in fact Jackie Gleason was going to sue Hanna-Barbara over it. But his lawyer said "Do you want to be known for trying to bring down a show that's liked by millions of kids and adults?"

[Archie and Edith]

Thet were inspired by it, in fact Jackie Gleason was going to sue Hanna-Barbara over it. But his lawyer said "Do you want to be known for trying to bring down a show that's liked by millions of kids and adults?"

I didn't know that Gleason wanted to sue. But I will say that my "All In the Family" TV book says that Archie has been compared to Ralph.

[Zebra 3]

They're two great US sitcoms about lower income families, but overall are quite different in my opinion.

[Lexx82]

its sort of similar but only difference is the honeymooners were 10x better than all in the family

honestly i dont think any tv show is on the same level as the honeymooners except for MAYBE a couple but honeymooners is the greatest show on earth!!

[treky]

actually, every once in a while, Doug & Carrie on "The King of Queens" will remind me, just a little bit, of Ralph and Alice. Just a little bit.

[tv star collector]

I think The Flinstones got more similarities that All in the family.Excuse the comparaison but,I really do!I think that Hanna-Barbara was inspired by this show to make the cartoon:cool:
You're absolutely right. In fact, Jackie Gleason was going to sue Hanna-Barbera
but changed his mind.

[Dr. Thong]

"The Honeymooners" was and is an influential show that still inspires creators to this day...both "Married: With Children" and "Roc" were updated versions of the show (indeed, "Roc" was originally supposed to BE a "Black Honeymooners" before Charles S. Dutton insisted on changes...)

But consider this: "The Honeymooners" itself bears a strong resemblance to another earlier, more infamous sitcom..."The Amos 'n' Andy Show"...from the near-identical opening credits to the similar characters (Ralph/Alice/Norton-Kingfish/Sapphire/Andy)

Think about it.

I've never seen Amos 'N Andy, so I can't really make any comparisons. Due to political correctness, I can't see the show because of alleged racial stereotypes.

Maybe it wasn't flattering, but I feel that Amos 'N Andy should be available on DVD so that I can see for myself what the fuss was all about. Maybe it's not something to be proud of, but revisionist censoring is wrong. It was a product of its times, right or wrong.

As consumers, anyone who's offended by it being out there, doesn't have to buy or watch it.

Archie and Ralph Kramden are both blowhards, but Ralph is essentially harmless. I don't think he'd have a problem with a black guy if he was a regular joe, as the expression was used back then. I know Norton definitely wouldn't. Norton is happy-go-lucky and non-judgmental.

[tv star collector]

Who thinks this show was like All In the Family?
I think they were the same, a little.

Thanks,

Archie and Edith
From James Bacon's book HOW SWEET IT IS: THE JACKIE GLEASON STORY, I
quote: "'All in the Family' was not a direct steal on 'The Honeymooners.' Ralph
Kramden was not a bigot like Archie Bunker. But the shows were too similar to
be on the same network in the same season. There was just no way Ralph
Kramden and Archie Bunker could coexist." [Gleason's show was cancelled
by CBS at about the same time the network picked up ALL IN THE FAMILY.]

[Woolworth27]

Ralf wasn't a bigot, but Archie was. The Flinstones, All in the Family and The King of Queens inspired by the Honeymooners. I seen a documetry about the king of queens and the producers said that, the King of Queens was based on the Honeymooners, just more modernized a 2000 twist.:)

[Dr. Thong]

Ralf wasn't a bigot, but Archie was. The Flinstones, All in the Family and The King of Queens inspired by the Honeymooners. I seen a documetry about the king of queens and the producers said that, the King of Queens was based on the Honeymooners, just more modernized a 2000 twist.:)

I started watching Honeymooners reruns when I was 9 years old and right away I realized that The Flinstones was a cartoon version of Ralph and Norton.

Of course, The Flinstones was an inspired take, with the stone-age setting and the great gags. Birds beaks used to play phonograph records, Elephants used as vacuum cleaners, etc.:D

There is also a classic Warner Bros. cartoon parody of The Honeymooners with two mice playing the parts, one of them named "Morton!" Of course, they have to dodge being swatted at with a broom, but otherwise, it's an outright homage/spoof of The Honeymooners.;)

[Lexx82]

hahaha i remember that cartoon it was VERY funny

[tv star collector]

Actually, Warner Bros. produced three Honey-Mousers cartoons ("The Honey-
Mousers," "Cheese It, the Cat" and "Mice Follies"), between 1956 and 1960.
Daws Butler voiced Ralph Crumden and Ned Morton, while June Foray was
Alice Crumden and Trixie Morton. Robert McKimson directed the cartoons.
I've only seen the first one.

I think Homer Simpson, too, has more than a little bit of Ralph/Fred/Archie in
his makeup.

[Dr. Thong]

Actually, Warner Bros. produced three Honey-Mousers cartoons ("The Honey-
Mousers," "Cheese It, the Cat" and "Mice Follies"), between 1956 and 1960.
Daws Butler voiced Ralph Crumden and Ned Morton, while June Foray was
Alice Crumden and Trixie Morton. Robert McKimson directed the cartoons.
I've only seen the first one.

I think Homer Simpson, too, has more than a little bit of Ralph/Fred/Archie in
his makeup.

I wish I'd seen the other "Honey-Mousers" cartoons. I only remember one of them.:(

[W.B.]

Count myself as having seen all The Honey-Mousers cartoons.

But prior to the first of them coming out, Robert McKimson directed a cartoon, Half-Fare Hare, in which Bugs was a stowaway on a train tangling with two Ralph and Norton-style hoboes. (Ralph: "You're hungry? Why, I'm so hungry my stomach thinks my throat's cut.")

[treky]

You're absolutely right. In fact, Jackie Gleason was going to sue Hanna-Barbera
but changed his mind.
right; his lawyer talked him out of it by saying: "Do you want to become known as the person who tried bring down a show that's liked by millions of kids and adults?"

[treky]

I've never seen Amos 'N Andy, so I can't really make any comparisons. Due to political correctness, I can't see the show because of alleged racial stereotypes.

Maybe it wasn't flattering, but I feel that Amos 'N Andy should be available on DVD so that I can see for myself what the fuss was all about. Maybe it's not something to be proud of, but revisionist censoring is wrong. It was a product of its times, right or wrong.

As consumers, anyone who's offended by it being out there, doesn't have to buy or watch it.

Archie and Ralph Kramden are both blowhards, but Ralph is essentially harmless. I don't think he'd have a problem with a black guy if he was a regular joe, as the expression was used back then. I know Norton definitely wouldn't. Norton is happy-go-lucky and non-judgmental.
"Amos and Andy" is availible on VHS and DVD; and has been for a while. (I know; I know; I was surprised when I read that recently, too!!!)

I want to get a couple episodes; I've heard the radio show and it's HILARIOUS!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[tv star collector]

Freeman Gosden and Charles Correll of radio's AMOS 'N' ANDY, in 1961, created
a cartoon series called CALVIN AND THE COLONEL, in which basically they recast
Amos as bear Calvin and Kingfish as fox Colonel Klaxton. (Amos and the Kingfish
were basically the main characters.) They even recycled some of the same
radio scripts for their cartoon show. Unfortunately, the show was not carried by
many ABC affiliates and disappeared altogether after only one season in prime
time. But it is available on VHS (if you can find it).

[Dr. Thong]

Count myself as having seen all The Honey-Mousers cartoons.

But prior to the first of them coming out, Robert McKimson directed a cartoon, Half-Fare Hare, in which Bugs was a stowaway on a train tangling with two Ralph and Norton-style hoboes. (Ralph: "You're hungry? Why, I'm so hungry my stomach thinks my throat's cut.")

I think I did see that one. I have a vague memory of it. God, those old Warner Bros. cartoons were classics!