Jinny's problem is pathetic...

[JinnyFan4LIFE]

Hi-ya! i'm new here and I LOVE THE DIVISION.and I LOVE JINNY, she is like my FAVIORITE character of the show! But I think, if anyone were to let themselves get in her position in REAL LIFE they are just sad. I mean, i think it's pathetic once you get that low in life...sorry, that's just my opion.

Anyway...loved the new season and i'm glad i found this board! Hope i didn't piss anyone off in this post...

~~Sarina

[Jinny Girl]

yeah it is pathetic... its supposed to seem that way on the show... if it seemed like a good thing she wouldn't have gona to rehab! Trust me, Ive seen more pathetic alcoholics in my lifetime.

[EwansGirl]

my sister was an alcohalic and did MANY drugs. She was below jinny's position. She is NOT pathetic. People like that just lose control of their lifes. They are addicted to the feeling that the drugs give them. Jinny was just looking for an escape. If you had lived like that you would be too. I'm sorry but this post offends me because I'm VERY protective of my sister and she couldn't stop what she was doing after she got started. For a while she was not going to go to rehab or AA but she decided that it would be a good idea to get sober. She still smokes and is now 18 but I wish she hadn't done any of the things she did because it hurt her worse than I know. I missed her while she was in rehab. It's hard for an alcohalic to stop drinking so don't talk about how "pathetic" they are for letting themselves get that way.

[Jinny Girl]

Well my aunt is an alcoholic and used to do drugs but I mean shes 50 and this has been goin on since the 60s, shes starting to litterally loose her mind.. So IMO, thats pretty damn pathetic.

[Wisupastar]

Addicts have an illness out of their control. They and their problems are not pathetic.

[SleepIsGood]

this topic pisses me off! i don't mean to start a fight, but NO BODY, not even the ones that have close relatives, know what it's like to go through an addiction stage......even the rehab and half way house is a living hell! It might be pathetic, but your not hte one to make that decision!!

[InspectorExstead]

Originally posted by SleepIsGood
this topic pisses me off! i don't mean to start a fight, but NO BODY, not even the ones that have close relatives, know what it's like to go through an addiction stage......even the rehab and half way house is a living hell! It might be pathetic, but your not hte one to make that decision!!

right on sista ! ;) you have to take into consideration the fact that jinny's mom killed herself and jinny thought she was the reason why she did. she found her mom's body. put yourself in her place...even though you cannot come too close to it. you come home from school expecting to find your mom making rice and chicken for dinner and then you go into the bathroom and you see your mom-dead. with half her head blown off. never to return. ever. no more advice from your mom. no more lectures. no more nothing. like jinny said "she was my damn mother. you only get the one !" are you a new fan or did you see the season finale ? i'm hoping you did. lol. i agree w/ everybody else how other people are more pathetic. at least she's not drinking 50 bottles, smoking 20 packs, snorting up an ounce of coke and shooting up. :p but she's getting better. okay.....:D

[Adele]

Hmmm.....pathetic is NOT a "good choice" word here.....that really offended people, and it was a little rude. People who "get that low"(another BAD choice of words), are NOT pathetic.........

[Jinny Girl]

no my aunts pathetic. I dont really care what anyone says but shes pathetic... I mean how can you automatically judge shes not I mean... you dont know her. you dont have to live with her. you dont have to deal with her screaming at you late atnight because shes drunk and she made up some wild story about you trying to make your brothers couch uncomfortable... So there are acceptions to the rule that "Alcs are not pathetic" and my aunt is one. And she knows it.

[Adele]

I wasn't talking about your aunt. I was talking about ANY problem in general. I don't think any1's problems are pathetic, they(as in the person) may be though. (I don't think that made sense)

[InspectorExstead]

Originally posted by Adele
Hmmm.....pathetic is NOT a "good choice" word here.....that really offended people, and it was a little rude. People who "get that low"(another BAD choice of words), are NOT pathetic.........

eh...was it something i said ? lol....it wasn't offending..okay no i'm lying..lol..but i just wanted to make sure everyone got the picture. :D

[KerriBerri687]

jin's nopt pathetic!! i mean yea she had a prob but she cam bak didnt she?! yah..well newayi dont think anyone who has a prob like that is pathetic...its not really their fault

[Adele]

Megan....No, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking about this whole post.....I pretty much agreed with you and....whoever you agreed with...

[SleepIsGood]

Has anyone here ACTUALLY been to Rehab?! Yea...didn't think soo...so, untill you have...do us a favor, and shut up!

[Divisionbabe05]

Originally posted by SleepIsGood
Has anyone here ACTUALLY been to Rehab?! Yea...didn't think soo...so, untill you have...do us a favor, and shut up! Take it from her...she knos, yall this is a real disease...its sad, yes, that alcohol can control a person's life, but pathetic...no not pathetic. Its hard to deal with the bad things that happen in life and different people deal with em differently, I myself do have a few drinks when things arent goin too great. Its a real problem folks, but pathetic aint the word to use.

[InspectorExstead]

Originally posted by Adele
Megan....No, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking about this whole post.....I pretty much agreed with you and....whoever you agreed with...


oh..i c...well that just cleared everything up..lol. ok i know, it takes me a while. so i'm a little..slow. but what's new. I agree w/ you SleepIsGood. Rehab so I've heard from my friend's mom is a bitch. of course evrything a bitch to her..but anyways....:D

[Jeanie]

Originally posted by InspectorExstead


right on sista ! ;) you have to take into consideration the fact that jinny's mom killed herself and jinny thought she was the reason why she did. she found her mom's body. put yourself in her place...even though you cannot come too close to it. you come home from school expecting to find your mom making rice and chicken for dinner and then you go into the bathroom and you see your mom-dead. with half her head blown off. never to return. ever. no more advice from your mom. no more lectures. no more nothing. like jinny said "she was my damn mother. you only get the one !" are you a new fan or did you see the season finale ? i'm hoping you did. lol. i agree w/ everybody else how other people are more pathetic. at least she's not drinking 50 bottles, smoking 20 packs, snorting up an ounce of coke and shooting up. :p but she's getting better. okay.....:D

I know what it feels like not to have a mom anymore. I left one morning to go to college and the dean came and got me out of class. I thought I had done something wrong. I wish it had been that. Instead I found out from her either my mom or my grandma had died. When I left that morning I had no way of knowing that I would never see my mom alive again. She didn't blow her head off but the circumstances behind her death are from using prescription drugs. She was addicted to them. So I don't think additions are pathetic. I think the people need help. I know my mom wasn't there when I had my first child or when I got married. So I can relate to Jinny wanting to escape.

[Jeanie]

Originally posted by SleepIsGood
Has anyone here ACTUALLY been to Rehab?! Yea...didn't think soo...so, untill you have...do us a favor, and shut up!

No I have not been to rehab but I have watched my mom go thru it and I went thru the family care portion. It is not easy to see them strap your mom down. This is the person that brought you into this world and you have to watch her suffer and not want to be there. Cause she didn't. She didn't have a choice. So I do know it is not an easy place to be.

[Kay Scarpetta]

All I'm saying, is that I know alcoholics, I've seen 2 relitives of mine go through rehab, and it ain't pretty. But you know, it's not pathetic either. They've got a real problem. Ever wonder what's going through their mind when they drink, or OD, or anything? I wish you could be in their shoes for a day and see that it's really not that pathetic.

[dovesong]

Okay, This is the first time I've posted anywhere other than on the fanfic board, but I feel I need to add my two cents here. You guys may hate me afterwards but.......

I live in a small town and there are several alcoholics in my neighborhood. I won't use words like pathetic, or anything, but what do you call it, when you spend every dime you get on alcohol and you'd rather be drunk than fed?

My husband had, (operative word being HAD) a friend when I met him, who drank profusely. Overtime, his drinking got worse and worse, until there was never a sober minute in this man's life. I tolerated this man for several years, because he was my husband's friend. Over time, he began calling my husband at 1 and 2 in the morning wanting to talk for hours (my husband has a real job and needs his sleep, please) Eventually he began asking for me at 2 in the morning wanting to know if I knew anybody he could F***. One night not long after we had our daughter he brough a loaded gun out into the kitchen where we were sitting. He never threatened anybody with it, but he was DRUNK!!! He could have done anything! My husband sat and laughed it off each time I asked to leave, saying "He wouldn't hurt anyone, this and that and what have you."

From this point on, and it has been 5 years, we have not spoken to this man. This man has had problems since then with voilence related to his drinking. If this is not pathetic, tell me what is.

There are other cases in my town of persons being such bad alcoholics that they'd rather drink that eat. I worked night shift in a convenience store several years ago, (which did not sell alcohol)
I have called the police on several alcoholics that have come through my doors, from teenagers to the elderly. And I've eventually lost this job, because these teenagers were one of my co-workers' daughter, and her friends---MINORS. But she's still alive, even though when she left my store, she went one mile down the road and ran over the hill!!!!!!

I may sound critical of every person that drinks, but I do have friends that drink, in moderation and safely. In their home or with friends and with a designated driver.

I understand that each person is different and I do not want to judge your mothers, or aunts or friends.

When I watched The Intervention for the first time, I was acutally embarrassed for Jinny, when she was watching the store's video. And it's just a television show.

I now work in a hospital, and I come across alcoholics and drug addicts quite frequently. They are confused and disoriented and violent when they are going through withdrawals. And it's not a pretty picture.

SO I'M JADED AND JUDGEMENTAL...............

I understand that alcoholism is a disease, and in many people, if they choose to drink, they are predestined to become alcoholics. But that choice to drink or do drugs is just that...A CHOICE. It is a disease that they welcome by taking that first drink or smoking that first joint.

I won't apologize for my opinion, because each person is entitled to their own opinion.

Perhaps I've just been hardened by the system, but I have little sympathy for those who choose to make that decision.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This was e-mailed to me a few weeks ago, the author is unknown, but..........

*Near to the door*
* he paused to stand*
*as he took his class ring*
* off her hand*
*all who were watching*
*did not speak*
* as a silent tear*
* ran down his cheek*
*and through his mind*
*the memories ran*
* of the moments they walked*
* and ran in the sand (hand and hand)*
* but now her eyes were so terribly cold*
*for he would never again*
* have her to hold*
*they watched in silence*
* as he bent near*
*and whispered the words..*....
*"I LOVE YOU" in her ear*
*he touched her face and started to cry*
* as he put on his ring and wanted to die*
*and just then the wind began to blow*
* as they lowered her casket*
* into the snow....*
*this is what happens*
* to man alive.....*
*when friends let friends....*
* drink and drive.*

[dovesong]

Okay, This is the first time I've posted anywhere other than on the fanfic board, but I feel I need to add my two cents here. You guys may hate me afterwards but.......

I live in a small town and there are several alcoholics in my neighborhood. I won't use words like pathetic, or anything, but what do you call it, when you spend every dime you get on alcohol and you'd rather be drunk than fed?

My husband had, (operative word being HAD) a friend when I met him, who drank profusely. Overtime, his drinking got worse and worse, until there was never a sober minute in this man's life. I tolerated this man for several years, because he was my husband's friend. Over time, he began calling my husband at 1 and 2 in the morning wanting to talk for hours (my husband has a real job and needs his sleep, please) Eventually he began asking for me at 2 in the morning wanting to know if I knew anybody he could F***. One night not long after we had our daughter he brough a loaded gun out into the kitchen where we were sitting. He never threatened anybody with it, but he was DRUNK!!! He could have done anything! My husband sat and laughed it off each time I asked to leave, saying "He wouldn't hurt anyone, this and that and what have you."

From this point on, and it has been 5 years, we have not spoken to this man. This man has had problems since then with voilence related to his drinking. If this is not pathetic, tell me what is.

There are other cases in my town of persons being such bad alcoholics that they'd rather drink that eat. I worked night shift in a convenience store several years ago, (which did not sell alcohol)
I have called the police on several alcoholics that have come through my doors, from teenagers to the elderly. And I've eventually lost this job, because these teenagers were one of my co-workers' daughter, and her friends---MINORS. But she's still alive, even though when she left my store, she went one mile down the road and ran over the hill!!!!!!

I may sound critical of every person that drinks, but I do have friends that drink, in moderation and safely. In their home or with friends and with a designated driver.

I understand that each person is different and I do not want to judge your mothers, or aunts or friends.

When I watched The Intervention for the first time, I was acutally embarrassed for Jinny, when she was watching the store's video. And it's just a television show.

I now work in a hospital, and I come across alcoholics and drug addicts quite frequently. They are confused and disoriented and violent when they are going through withdrawals. And it's not a pretty picture.

SO I'M JADED AND JUDGEMENTAL...............

I understand that alcoholism is a disease, and in many people, if they choose to drink, they are predestined to become alcoholics. But that choice to drink or do drugs is just that...A CHOICE. It is a disease that they welcome by taking that first drink or smoking that first joint.

I won't apologize for my opinion, because each person is entitled to their own opinion.

Perhaps I've just been hardened by the system, but I have little sympathy for those who choose to make that decision.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This was e-mailed to me a few weeks ago, the author is unknown, but..........

*Near to the door*
* he paused to stand*
*as he took his class ring*
* off her hand*
*all who were watching*
*did not speak*
* as a silent tear*
* ran down his cheek*
*and through his mind*
*the memories ran*
* of the moments they walked*
* and ran in the sand (hand and hand)*
* but now her eyes were so terribly cold*
*for he would never again*
* have her to hold*
*they watched in silence*
* as he bent near*
*and whispered the words..*....
*"I LOVE YOU" in her ear*
*he touched her face and started to cry*
* as he put on his ring and wanted to die*
*and just then the wind began to blow*
* as they lowered her casket*
* into the snow....*
*this is what happens*
* to man alive.....*
*when friends let friends....*
* drink and drive.*

[Babes_Cat]

Originally posted by Wisupastar
Addicts have an illness out of their control. They and their problems are not pathetic.

Exactly! Short and to the point! They are not pathetic, just helpless. Helpless until they can take charge of their addiction and do something about it, like rehab.

Pathetic is so not the word to describe Jinny's or anyones addiction to anything. Depressed- Maybe, that's a possiblility. Helpless- Yes, until they do something about it. Stubborn- Yes, when they don't admit or refuse to admit that they have a problem.

If you decide to call it pathetic then great, great for you. But you are tricking yourslef. Addiction is anything but pathetic really.

[Jinny Girl]

ok;

ONE: No I have never been to rehab... You make that look like a bad thing. Dont get mad at me because you have or know someone who has gone to rehab.

TWO: How do you know if my aunts pathetic I mean... She'd be pathetic without the alcohol, with the aolcohol makes it worse.

THREE: If she';s not pathetic what is she? What would you call someone who breaks into their best freinds house (who has like cancer) at 2 AM by climbing through a window and uses the excuse "I jutht wanted to say HI!"... Somebody who cant even keep a job, working as a mail opener for 4 hours a day for her own SISTER! What would you call a woman who screams because someone spilled the last ounce of her beer accidentally? Someone who brings vodka when she visits and drinks the entire thing within a half hour? Someone who leavs the house on a friday to go to a party and is still at that party monday? Someone who cant even take her neice to the boardwalk without forcing her to go to the bar... When she had 3 drinks right before she left the house? Someone who was involved with dope and supposidly still is after 40 years of addiction to that and alcohol? I consider that pathetic... I consider someone who has the ability to stand up and take responsibility and go to rehab anything but pathetic. It takes a strong person to admit their flaws and deal with them... Especially big ones but it doesnt take anything special to be a drunk your entire life... From the time your 16 up. I mean seriosly people... There comes a time when youre no longer a "Hopless poor addict who needs help"... There comes the time when you become totally pathetic. And I dont care whats going through her head when she takes a drink... I dont even think she cares... Honestly. She sits there and explains to me how I should drink beer to make it taste better so honestly... I dont even think she knows she has a problem.

[InspectorExstead]

Originally posted by Jeanie


I know what it feels like not to have a mom anymore. I left one morning to go to college and the dean came and got me out of class. I thought I had done something wrong. I wish it had been that. Instead I found out from her either my mom or my grandma had died. When I left that morning I had no way of knowing that I would never see my mom alive again. She didn't blow her head off but the circumstances behind her death are from using prescription drugs. She was addicted to them. So I don't think additions are pathetic. I think the people need help. I know my mom wasn't there when I had my first child or when I got married. So I can relate to Jinny wanting to escape.



:( I'm sorry Jeanie. I can't say I know how you feel but I lost my aunt when I was three cuz she got hit by a drunk driver..of course I don't remember anything and my mom never talks about it but...yeah. :o

[InspectorExstead]

i agree with you jinny girl. admitting you have a problem is the first step. and the most diffucult one.

[sue z q]

Originally posted by dovesong
I understand that alcoholism is a disease, and in many people, if they choose to drink, they are predestined to become alcoholics. But that choice to drink or do drugs is just that...A CHOICE. It is a disease that they welcome by taking that first drink or smoking that first joint.

I agree with you completely. I'm not sure if pathetic is the word for Jinny. What is pathetic to me are people who drink for no real reason...they're just stupid at parties, bowing to peer pressure...it's not like they're trying to rid themselves of pain from something that has happened to them...in those cases, I have some sympathy, but not a whole lot. They did let themselves get where they are by continuing to drink and not realizing or admitting they had a problem and dealing with it. It was their choice to begin with, and that sounds harsh, but there are other ways of dealing with your problems besides drowning yourself in alcohol.

And no, Amanda, I've never been to rehab, and I don't plan on going, I'm quite happy to be and stay my sober, never had a drink self. Hey, someone's gotta be the designated driver...might as well be me. :)

[SleepIsGood]

Originally posted by Jeanie


I know what it feels like not to have a mom anymore. I left one morning to go to college and the dean came and got me out of class. I thought I had done something wrong. I wish it had been that. Instead I found out from her either my mom or my grandma had died. When I left that morning I had no way of knowing that I would never see my mom alive again. She didn't blow her head off but the circumstances behind her death are from using prescription drugs. She was addicted to them. So I don't think additions are pathetic. I think the people need help. I know my mom wasn't there when I had my first child or when I got married. So I can relate to Jinny wanting to escape.

I know how ya feel, i lost my mom when i was about 10

[ks]

As Captain said, alcoholism is a disease...


Originally posted by sue z q

And no, Amanda, I've never been to rehab, and I don't plan on going, I'm quite happy to be and stay my sober, never had a drink self. Hey, someone's gotta be the designated driver...might as well be me. :)


I'm with Susan on this one. I have no idea what alcoholics experience because I've never had a smoke, drink, or anything like that... I'll be the designated driver as well. I am no one to judge an alcoholic, because I have not eperienced it.


Oh, and to whomever started this post, welcome to the boards!






ks

[KerriBerri687]

Originally posted by ks
As Captain said, alcoholism is a disease...





I'm with Susan on this one. I have no idea what alcoholics experience because I've never had a smoke, drink, or anything like that... I'll be the designated driver as well. I am no one to judge an alcoholic, because I have not eperienced it.


Oh, and to whomever started this post, welcome to the boards!






ks

im with u and susan there! my friends who do things like that call me a "goody-goody" :rolleyes: oh well i try to stay away from that stuff...ive seen wut it can do 2 people and...well yeah

[AllIWantIsYourClutch]

I'm gonna hafta agree with Dana on this one. My cousin Jenny is an alcoholic. She has been in 3 car accidents (one of which she broke her neck) gotten 4 DUI's and been through rehab twice nd she is still an alcoholic. My mom has bailed her out of jail once and swears she will never do it again. I told my mom not to invite her to any of my b-day parties because she always comes with her own case of something and ends up drinking the whole thing and then some and by the time the party's over, my mom or someone else has to give her a ride home. Her mom (my aunt), who is a bartender, had to kick her out of the bar she works at because her and her also alcoholic boyfriend were starting fights. My aunt finally kicked her out of the house becuse she wastired of her coming home drunk every night. So then she moved in wih my other aunt. She still went out and got drunk every night... I remember one time I was sleeping over at my cousin's house and we were sleeping on the floor. Jenny came home at 3am, stepped on me, woke me up and forced me to gove her a hug. I swear she smelled so bad I almost threw up. The next morning, my aunt seriously thought I had been drinking because I smelled like Jenny. Well, my aunt finally kicked Jenny out after Jenny gave her a black eye when my aunt wouldn't give her a beer. Jenny now lives with her alcoholic boyfriend.

IMO, Jenny is pathetic. I'm not saying that ALL alcoholics are pathetic...just ones that don't want help. Obviously rehab didn't do much good for Jenny....proabably because she was forced to go and didn't even try....

This story is leading no where so I'm gonna stop now.

[coily2]

Originally posted by JinnyFan4LIFE
Hi-ya! i'm new here and I LOVE THE DIVISION.and I LOVE JINNY, she is like my FAVIORITE character of the show! But I think, if anyone were to let themselves get in her position in REAL LIFE they are just sad. I mean, i think it's pathetic once you get that low in life...sorry, that's just my opion.

Anyway...loved the new season and i'm glad i found this board! Hope i didn't piss anyone off in this post...

~~Sarina

I had a long reply typed up for you, and then I realized that you have only one post, so I am assuming that you are a troll looking to start problems. But in the off chance that you aren't, email me at coily2@yahoo.com and I will tell you exactly why those problems were not pathetic in real life. If anything, the show trivialized it. Long time posters here may recall I had issues with the way they handled alcoholism on the show last winter. Jinny never really did hit rock bottom like so many alcoholics do before getting help.