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comedyfreak
09-30-2011, 01:01 PM
More bad news for bank customers: Debit card fees
Debit card fees just the latest unwelcome change for checking account customers


FILE - In this July 17, 2009 file photo, a customer uses a Bank of America ATM in Charlotte, N.C. Bank of America plans to start charging customers a $5 monthly debit card fee. The fee will be rolled out starting early in 2012. (AP Photo/Chuck Burton, file)


NEW YORK (AP) -- Bank of America will start charging debit-card users $5 a month to pay for purchases. The move comes as the cards increasingly replace cash and as banks look for ways to offset the loss of revenue from a new rule that will limit how much they can collect from merchants.

Paying to use a debit card was unheard of before this year and is still a novel concept for many consumers. But several banks have recently introduced or started testing debit card fees. That's in addition to the spate of other unwelcome changes checking account customers have seen in the past year. Bank of America will begin charging the fee early next year.

Bank of America's announcement carries added weight because it is the largest U.S. bank by deposits.

The fee will apply to basic accounts, which are marketed toward those with modest balances, and will be in addition to any existing monthly service fees. For example, one such account charges a $12 monthly fee unless customers meet certain conditions, such as maintaining a minimum average balance of $1,500.

Customers will only be charged the fee if they use their debit cards for purchases in any given month, said Anne Pace, a Bank of America spokeswoman. Those who only use their cards at ATMs won't have to pay.

The debit card fee is just the latest twist in the rapidly evolving market for checking accounts.

A study by Bankrate.com this week found that just 45 percent of checking accounts are now free with no strings attached, down from 65 percent last year and 76 percent in 2009. Customers can still get free checking in most cases, but only if they meet certain conditions, such as setting up direct deposit.

The study also found that the total average cost for using an ATM rose to $3.81, from $3.74, the year before. The average overdraft fee inched up to $30.83, from $30.47

The changes come ahead of a regulation that goes into effect next month.

Starting Oct. 1, the regulation will cap the fees that banks can collect from merchants whenever customers swipe their debit cards. Those fees generated $19 billion in revenue for banks in 2009, according to the Nilson Report, which tracks the payments industry.

There is no similar cap on the merchant fees that banks can collect when customers use their credit cards, however. That means many banks are increasingly encouraging customers to reach for their credit cards, in hopes of reversing a trend toward debit card usage in the past several years.

An increasing reliance on credit cards would be particularly beneficial for big institutions like Bank of America, which have large credit card portfolios, notes Bart Narter, a banking analyst with Celent, a consulting firm.

"It's become a more profitable business, at least in relation to debit cards," Narter said.

This summer, an Associated Press-GfK poll found that two-thirds of consumers use debit cards more frequently than credit cards. But when asked how they would react if they were charged a $3 monthly debit card fee, 61 percent said they'd find another way to pay.

With a $5 fee, 66 percent said they would change their payment method.

Several banks are nevertheless moving ahead with debit card fees.

SunTrust, a regional bank based in Atlanta, began charging a $5 debit card fee on its basic checking accounts this summer. Regions Financial, which is based in Birmingham, Ala., plans to start charging a $4 fee next month.

Chase and Wells Fargo are also testing $3 monthly debit card fees in select markets. Neither bank has said when it will make a final decision on whether to roll out the fee more broadly.

The growing prevalence of the debit card fee is alarming for Josh Wood, a 32-year-old financial adviser in Amarillo, Texas.

Wood relies entirely on debit cards to avoid interest charges on a credit card. If his bank, Wells Fargo, began charging a debit card fee, he said he would take his business to a credit union.

If a debit fee became so prevalent that it was unavoidable, Wood said he's not sure how he'd react.

"I might use all cash. Or go back to writing checks," he said.

Bank of America's debit card fee will be rolled out in stages starting with select states in early 2012. The company would not say which states would be affected first.
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Time to switch and use Credit Unions people we can show those morons the people will rebel!!! I already use a credit union and won't go back.

Brad Russ
09-30-2011, 01:11 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm totally convinced that all this kind of crap is done purposely. That's probably one of the most obvious things Iv'e ever witnessed. I'm convinced that every business, political figure, Hospitals, and celebrity wants people to be poor. Not a doubt in my mind.

comedyfreak
09-30-2011, 01:14 PM
They're always sticking it to the little guy, you can't ever break even.

catlover79
09-30-2011, 01:24 PM
I heard that on the news last night - disgusting. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

robyrob
09-30-2011, 01:47 PM
when they first introduced debit cards, I was able to get a special account where they were trying to promote their use and the bank actually paid me every time I used the debit card as long as I maintained a certain balance - I kept that same account for over 15 years and got into arguments with the branch manager because I wouldn't change my account type and didn't want to give up on the $0.25 I got every time I used the card.

tiredmike59
09-30-2011, 01:52 PM
I never used any type of card in my life,never will.
I only use cash.

Coffeecup
09-30-2011, 08:34 PM
Atm/debit cards are so convenient. So far my bank hasn't charged me for using mine. Only time I would get charged would be if I used a atm that wasn't connected to my bank.

TVFactFan
09-30-2011, 09:09 PM
well the solution is easy, withdrawl all your money and go to another bank lol

catlover79
09-30-2011, 09:31 PM
well the solution is easy, withdrawl all your money and go to another bank lol

Yeah, but what if EVERY bank does it? :eek: :crazy: :mad:

TVFactFan
09-30-2011, 09:46 PM
Yeah, but what if EVERY bank does it? :eek: :crazy: :mad:


I know, hope the other banks don't copy

catlover79
09-30-2011, 09:50 PM
I know, hope the other banks don't copy

Same here. God knows the public at large doesn't need this on top of everything else. :eek:

Janice
09-30-2011, 11:35 PM
Of course, that's our bank. It's always something.

Family Ties Forever!
10-01-2011, 12:14 AM
They're always looking for another way to get money out of people.

catlover79
10-01-2011, 03:15 AM
Yup, they won't be happy until they suck every last one of us dry!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Tweety
10-01-2011, 06:32 AM
The reason these ATM fees are popping up (at this point, from the "big" banks only), is because of Dodd-Frank.

Up until now, banks could charge merchants a small fee for every debit/credit card transaction that the merchant processed.

The Dodd-Frank "reform" bill drastically reduced the amount that a bank can charge merchants for debit transactions. The ATM fees are an attempt to replace the lost revenues.

At this point, it's mostly the "big" banks that are charging these fees. Community Banks will see this as an opportunity to attract additional deposit customers.

But the big boys wouldn't be charging these fees were it not for Chirs Dodd and Barney Frank (oh, and Barack Obama as well).

Incidentally, the name of the bill that brought all this on is "The Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act"


How's it feel to be protected by Dodd and Frank (oh, and Obama as well)?

Kind of reminds me of the time Democrats in Congress set out to protect us all from higher Cable TV rates.

Dork
10-01-2011, 07:52 AM
Complaining is not going to stop them from charging $5 so stop complaining

comedyfreak
10-01-2011, 07:52 AM
I know, hope the other banks don't copy
Sadly they are at least Citibank, Chase will possibly following suit. According to the news.

@Dork-Easy for you to say you're probably not affected by this so it doesn't matter to you, but to some of us who are already paying high prices it's difficult as it is to get by now.

robyrob
10-01-2011, 08:35 AM
Complaining is not going to stop them from charging $5 so stop complaining
closing your account and switching to another bank or credit union will though.

old grouch
10-01-2011, 09:05 AM
Complaining is not going to stop them from charging $5 so stop complaining

If enough people are complaining it might. Look at Netflix.

TVFactFan
10-01-2011, 01:10 PM
Of course, that's our bank. It's always something.


Can you go to a smaller bank?

LUNCH
10-01-2011, 01:56 PM
So lets see, you get charged extra fees for using your own money now.Some folks call that free enterprise ,I call it criminal.And Brad Russ made some valid points.Big businesses etc. will rip you off left and right if they are ALLOWED to.And nowadays especially, they are allowed to.There are no longer many rules protecting people. Look at Pay-tv for example lol.

Regulus
10-01-2011, 02:22 PM
I haven't used my Debit Card to purchase anything since 2001. That year I got hit with an Overdraft Fee, and when I found out what happened, it turned out it was because I was using it nearly every day to put Gas in my Moter Scooter, I was incurring fees because I had passed the number of free withdraws I'm allowed each month. My Scooter holds ONE GALLON of Gas, and by using my Debit Card at the pump I was essentially paying AN ADDITIONAL $1.50 A GALLON! :mad: :angryfire

Since I can still use it as an ATM Card without imposing their fee I'll stick with Bank of America, for now. Still, IMO This is Bulls:censored:t! :angryfire

Dork
10-01-2011, 02:28 PM
I haven't used my Debit Card to purchase anything since 2001. That year I got hit with an Overdraft Fee, and when I found out what happened, it turned out it was because I was using it nearly every day to put Gas in my Moter Scooter, I was incurring fees because I had passed the number of free withdraws I'm allowed each month. My Scooter holds ONE GALLON of Gas, and by using my Debit Card at the pump I was essentially paying AN ADDITIONAL $1.50 A GALLON! :mad: :angryfire

Since I can still use it as an ATM Card without imposing their fee I'll stick with Bank of America, for now. Still, IMO This is Bulls:censored:t! :angryfire

Sucks to be you

Janice
10-01-2011, 02:44 PM
Sucks to be you
It's going to suck to be you soon if you don't change your attitude.

Dork
10-01-2011, 02:45 PM
It's going to suck to be you soon if you don't change your attitude.

Go **** yourself bitch, remember the saying "I will get you, my pretty and your little dog too?" Yeah I am back! I told you I will come back and of course you are too retarded to notice it so **** you, ****tard!

TVFactFan
10-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Go **** yourself bitch, remember the saying "I will get you, my pretty and your little dog too?" Yeah I am back! I told you I will come back and of course you are too retarded to notice it so **** you, ****tard!


HI WRECKLESS POO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

Stuck In The '70's
10-01-2011, 03:18 PM
HI WRECKLESS POO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL
I'm not really surprised. As I said before....certain people are nothing but Trolls. lol Besides it was strange for a Minnesota Viking fan to be obsessed with the Cowboys. lol

TVFactFan
10-01-2011, 03:21 PM
I'm not really surprised. As I said before....certain people are nothing but Trolls. lol Besides it was strange for a Minnesota Viking fan to be obsessed with the Cowboys. lol


Sonny why are we so damm stupid-LOL But I remember feeling like it was wreckless but was thrown off with the love for the Vikings-lol

Stuck In The '70's
10-01-2011, 03:48 PM
Sonny why are we so damm stupid-LOL But I remember feeling like it was wreckless but was thrown off with the love for the Vikings-lol
He went from one loser team to another. lol

TVFactFan
10-01-2011, 03:52 PM
He went from one loser team to another. lol


LMAO, LOL.

OH Nuts!
10-01-2011, 04:24 PM
I always thought Debit Cards bit it. If you use your credit card like a debit card ,i.e. use your credit card for every purchase and pay off the balance in full every month, you get the benefits of a debit card and the extra protection of a credit card.

I think this Debit Card charge is going to boomerang on the banks, but we'll see.

TVFactFan
10-01-2011, 04:32 PM
I always thought Debit Cards bit it. If you use your credit card like a debit card ,i.e. use your credit card for every purchase and pay off the balance in full every month, you get the benefits of a debit card and the extra protection of a credit card.

I think this Debit Card charge is going to boomerang on the banks, but we'll see.


What do you mean by it off at the end of the month if you use as CC? If you use it as CC the money still comes out of your account right away

Janice
10-01-2011, 04:34 PM
Go **** yourself bitch, remember the saying "I will get you, my pretty and your little dog too?" Yeah I am back! I told you I will come back and of course you are too retarded to notice it so **** you, ****tard!
Yeah, you really got me, LOSER. Still living with the folks? Silly me, you'll be there forever. That's how long it will take you to get your half a degree from that local college you go to. What do you do, brown bag it and take the bus there? :crazy: Goof. You're as ugly as you are stupid.

TVFactFan
10-01-2011, 04:42 PM
Yeah, you really got me, LOSER. Still living with the folks? Silly me, you'll be there forever. That's how long it will take you to get your half a degree from that local college you go to. What do you do, brown bag it and take the bus there? :crazy: Goof. You're as ugly as you are stupid.


Is that idiot banned?-lol

Janice
10-01-2011, 04:49 PM
Is that idiot banned?-lol
For life, but he'll find a way to worm himself in. This LOSER gets his kicks by aggravating people. How anyone could be friends with this creep is beyond me. He's pitiful.

TVFactFan
10-01-2011, 04:55 PM
For life, but he'll find a way to worm himself in. This LOSER gets his kicks by aggravating people. How anyone could be friends with this creep is beyond me. He's pitiful.


I will defintely be on the lookout for any new posters on the sports board

spunkygirl
10-02-2011, 07:21 PM
Well it looks like this bank will be losing customer. Idiots don't realize not everyone can keep a $1500 balance in their account. Of course they target people who can't afford to lose $5 a month for doing stuff like paying bills :rolleyes:

catlover79
10-02-2011, 08:17 PM
Of course they target people who can't afford to lose $5 a month for doing stuff like paying bills :rolleyes:

It's like Murphy's Law. :mad:

OH Nuts!
10-03-2011, 02:36 PM
What do you mean by it off at the end of the month if you use as CC? If you use it as CC the money still comes out of your account right away

Not with a credit card. The bank first pays it for you and then you pay the bank. With a credit card, the total amount you charge will show up on the bill, but you generally only have to make a minimum payment. But if you do, you end up with a hefty finance charge.

However, if you pay off the entire new balance, which could reflect 10-20 days of charging until the bill, you get the benefits of the debit card with increased protection against theft.

TVFactFan
10-03-2011, 07:05 PM
Not with a credit card. The bank first pays it for you and then you pay the bank. With a credit card, the total amount you charge will show up on the bill, but you generally only have to make a minimum payment. But if you do, you end up with a hefty finance charge.

However, if you pay off the entire new balance, which could reflect 10-20 days of charging until the bill, you get the benefits of the debit card with increased protection against theft.


I'm talking about a Visa Check Card