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catlover79
09-11-2010, 01:33 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/325068

By Brad Knickerbocker – Fri Sep 10, 4:50 pm ET

Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., may have “suspended” plans to burn copies of the Quran on the anniversary of 9/11. But the controversial Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., says it will burn the Quran. In fact, it already has.

The Westboro Baptist Church (which has been disavowed by all Baptist conventions and associations) is led by the Rev. Fred Phelps, and most followers are members of his extended family.

The church is best known for its controversial protests at the funerals of US soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan as well as at the funerals of those who have died from conditions medically attributed to AIDS. A central point in the church’s protests is that Americans are being punished because the US tolerates homosexuality.

State and federal laws have been passed keeping such church picketers several hundred feet away from funerals. Motorcycle clubs and others have protested the Westboro protesters by gathering around military funeral sites with American flags. Military families have tried to sue Westboro on the grounds that protests featuring highly offensive signs (“Thank God for dead soldiers”) are not constitutionally-protected speech. In March, the US Supreme Court agreed to hear the appeal from the father of a Marine killed in Iraq.

Westboro’s attitude toward Islam (as well as toward Roman Catholics, mainline Protestants, Mormons, and other religions) is similarly harsh. Phelps has described the Quran as a “300-page work of Satanic fiction.”

Although the church burned a Quran in Washington in 2008, it did not get much media attention. On its web site Friday, the church called Pastor Jones in Gainesville a “false prophet … bullied by sissy, intolerant rebels worldwide into cancelling plans to burn that blasphemous idol called the Koran.”

Westboro also declared that it “will burn the Koran and the doomed American flag at 12:00 p.m. on September 11, 2010 at Westboro Baptist Church.”

Meanwhile, in the latest development in Jones’s off-again-on-again pledge to burn copies of the Islamic holy book at his small central Florida church, he says he’s going to New York Saturday to meet with Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Sufi Muslim imam leading the effort to build an Islamic cultural center and mosque near the World Trade Center site known as “ground zero” for the terrorist attack nine years ago.

But Mr. Rauf says there’s no such scheduled meeting with Jones.

"I am prepared to consider meeting with anyone who is seriously committed to pursuing peace,” he said in a statement Friday. But, he added, “We have no such meeting planned at this time.”

And just to make it clear about the proposed Islamic center near ground zero, he said, “Our plans for the community center have not changed.”

Earlier, Rauf had suggested that he might not have chosen that location if he'd known what trouble it would cause but that to change now would play into the hands of Islamic radicals. But he’s also made it clear that he would not be pressured by threats.

ABlairican Pie
09-11-2010, 09:41 AM
No surprise there.

I'm still wondering why the Obama administration and the lamestream media have seen fit to focus so much attention on this lunatic pastor Terry Jones and his crackpot plans (currently on hold, allegedly) to burn the Quran when his classroom-sized church is merely a blip on the radar of churches in this country. If he didn't get so much attention, would they still do it?

Even his own daughter has come out and called him psychotic.

OH Nuts!
09-11-2010, 01:20 PM
Both that FLA and Phelps are hatemongers...and cowards. If they're so hot sh*t intent on buring a Quran let them go to Iran and do it. Interesting how the FLA pastor backed down when he found out about all the death threats against him.

And besides being outright incendiary, such book burnings are irresponsible and DANGEROUS to our fighting (young) men and woman oveseas. These two pastors are a disgrace to our country.

catlover79
09-12-2010, 02:40 AM
^ Rich, I couldn't have said it any better myself. They give TRUE Christians a bad name!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

MrCleveland
09-13-2010, 02:13 PM
I also won't be surprised that Westboro Baptist has slandered Catholics!

PlayOn
09-14-2010, 10:26 AM
Does anybody know if they did it? I haven;t heard anything, so I'm guessing not.
I love my pastor. He spoke a little about this on Sunday and was against it, as was the whole congregation. You don't see those Christians on CNN. Only the ones with a few screws lose. :rolleyes:

ABlairican Pie
09-14-2010, 01:47 PM
Does anybody know if they did it? I haven;t heard anything, so I'm guessing not.
I love my pastor. He spoke a little about this on Sunday and was against it, as was the whole congregation. You don't see those Christians on CNN. Only the ones with a few screws lose. :rolleyes:
I remember in 1984, Christian new wave artist Steve Taylor wrote a song called "Meat the Press" where he said, A Christian can't get equal time/unless he's a loony committing a crime!

catlover79
09-14-2010, 01:50 PM
I remember in 1984, Christian new wave artist Steve Taylor wrote a song called "Meat the Press" where he said, A Christian can't get equal time/unless he's a loony committing a crime!
Sad but true!!!

ABlairican Pie
09-14-2010, 02:15 PM
The title "Meat the Press" was spelled that way intentionally, btw.


I bet Michael Moore dreams about meat. Acres and acres of yummy, red meat. His arteries are crying out for it. MMMMMMmmmmmm, meat. :drool:


Broccoli and oatmeal would be to him what a crucifix and holy water would be to a vampire. :eek:

catlover79
09-14-2010, 08:14 PM
^ Not to mention garlic. :rofl:

spunkygirl
09-14-2010, 08:21 PM
What the heck does burning that solve? NOTHING. It just creates more problems.

catlover79
09-14-2010, 08:22 PM
What the heck does burning that solve? NOTHING. It just creates more problems.
I think you just said it all!! :yeahthat

ABlairican Pie
09-14-2010, 09:44 PM
I don't believe in burning the Quran. I don't believe in censorship, it doesn't solve anything. I understand people's frustrations about this, but being destructive toward a text other people find sacred to them doesn't help.
I think we should read it and try to understand it--in order to answer them with the truth about Christ and God's forgiveness.


Oh wait--Christ--woops, that's politically incorrect. :doh: :nonono:

catlover79
09-15-2010, 02:37 AM
^ I agree!!!!

PlayOn
09-15-2010, 09:58 AM
thanks for the heads up about the song, Captain ABlairican. I'll have to listen to it. Maybe even use it in my siggy. So true.

ABlairican Pie
09-15-2010, 10:05 AM
thanks for the heads up about the song, Captain ABlairican. I'll have to listen to it. Maybe even use it in my siggy. So true.
:welcome: Yeah, go out and try to find the album 'Meltdown' by Steve Taylor, from 1984. It might still be floating around in vinyl-land. Very biting, satirical lyrics, often very poignant. We need a Steve Taylor today (he's currently producing artists).

ABlairican Pie
09-15-2010, 10:15 AM
Meat the Press
by Steve Taylor


In a ninety-floor Manhattan address
Lives a watchdog called the National Press
And around his collar's written the line
"The Protector Of Our Hearts And Minds"

Hark! Hark! The dog will bark
And we believe this hierarch
But read between the lines and see
This dog's been barking up the wrong tree

Meat the press
Meat the press
Meat the press
Meat the press

When the ratings point the camera's eye
They can state the facts while telling a lie
And then watchdog shows to the viewers at ten
He's a bloodhound with a pad and pen

Can't pin the blame--he's out of reach
Just call the dog "His Royal Leech"
We held the rights for heaven's sake
'Til we gave this sucker an even break

Meat the press
Meat the press
Meat the press
Meat the press

When the godless chair the judgment seat
We can thank the godless media elite
They can silence those who fall from their grace
With a note that says "we haven't the space"

Well lookee there--the dog's asleep
Whenever we march or say a peep
A Christian can't get equal time
Unless he's a loony committing a crime

Listen up if you've got ears
I'm tired of condescending sneers
I've got a dog who smells a fight
And he still believes in wrong and right

Meat the press
Sick 'em, Fido
Meat the press
Meat the press
Get 'em, boy
Meat the press

Meat the press
(I'm only doing my job)
Meat the press
(I mean, it's not like there's a conspiracy or anything)
Meat the press
(By the way, what did you say your name was?)

Meat the press
(Your address? Can I write that down?)
Meat the press
(Do you have anything you'd like to say off the record?)
Meat the press
(Hey! Who you calling arrogant?)

catlover79
09-15-2010, 11:57 AM
Brandon, here's the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpb4nM8gqx0