Obama is not acting like a president, more like a Celebrity

[TVFactFan]

This man has been the President for only two months and so far he has

1.Sat in the front row of a Wizards Game

2. Appeared on ESPN to make his NCAA Tournament Picks

3.And Now appearing on the TONIGHT SHOW?????



What the hell is he doing? Shouldn't he be doing something more important than acting like a Celebrity and being more focused on the economy?


This man flew to LA to be on the Tonight Show??

I'm stunned

[Darren J.]

I agree. The media has constantly been shoving Obama down our throats for the last 6 months or so. He's our president and he should be more focused on the economy and helping the people of the United States instead of making March Madness picks and watching the horrible Wizards.


Personally, I don't think John McCain would have been any better. Didn't he say you're not upper class unless you're making $5 million a year or something like that? It was like picking the lesser of two evils. I refuse to play that game, which is why I voted for Ralph Nader.

[TVFactFan]

I agree. The media has constantly been shoving Obama down our throats for the last 6 months or so. He's our president and he should be more focused on the economy and helping the people of the United States instead of making March Madness picks and watching the horrible Wizards.


Personally, I don't think John McCain would have been any better. Didn't he say you're not upper class unless you're making $5 million a year or something like that? It was like picking the lesser of two evils. I refuse to play that game, which is why I voted for Ralph Nader.


I just never thought a President would appear on a Late Night Talk Show

[Darren J.]

I just never thought a President would appear on a Late Night Talk Show


Frankly, it seems that Obama is more concerned with his own image. He wants to come across as down to earth kind of guy, and a family man. I don't care how down to earth he is. Take care of the economy first, then make your appearances.

[TVFactFan]

Frankly, it seems that Obama is more concerned with his own image. He wants to come across as down to earth kind of guy, and a family man. I don't care how down to earth he is. Take care of the economy first, then make your appearances.


I felt he should have until next season to appear at a basketball game, not 60 days into the presidency

[Brieannas21]

I believe he is trying to reach out to the College age crowd with the Tonight Show visit. Since the college age group mostly watch Jay. I have no clue about the whole basketball picks. Obama is not the only president who has attended a sporting event such as a basketball game, football or baseball.

[TVFactFan]

I believe he is trying to reach out to the College age crowd with the Tonight Show visit. Since the college age group mostly watch Jay. I have no clue about the whole basketball picks. Obama is not the only president who has attended a sporting event such as a basketball game, football or baseball.


He was the first one to ever be in the FRONT ROW

[Brieannas21]

He was the first one to ever be in the FRONT ROW

Where was he suppose to sit???? He's the President

[TVFactFan]

Where was he suppose to sit???? He's the President


Up in the Press Box like all the Other Presidents did

[Brieannas21]

Up in the Press Box like all the Other Presidents did

Has any other president attended a Basketball Game? He loves Basketball, no big deal. Other normal folk sit in the front row also. If those are the only 3 things, then he's not doing bad.

[Darren J.]

Has any other president attended a Basketball Game? He loves Basketball, no big deal. Other normal folk sit in the front row also. If those are the only 3 things, then he's not doing bad.


Bill Clinton attended one in 1998. He sat in his box though.

[TVFactFan]

Bill Clinton attended one in 1998. He sat in his box though.


Exactly, Obama just feels the need to be SEEN!!!!!!!

[Brieannas21]

Bill Clinton attended one in 1998. He sat in his box though.

If I was dealing with the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal I would sit in the press box too.

Exactly, Obama just feels the need to be SEEN!!!!!!!

Obama feels as though he has to be seen??? He would have been seen anyway, Press box or not. Did it hurt anyone?

[TVFactFan]

If I was dealing with the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal I would sit in the press box too.



Obama feels as though he has to be seen??? He would have been seen anyway, Press box or not. Did it hurt anyone?


Yes he would have but the difference is he is going out of his way to been seen

[LuLu Rogers]

Yes, his celebrity status is ridiculous! If I wanted a celebrity for a president, I would've voted for Wayne Rogers or Alan Alda! :crazy: :lol:

[Brieannas21]

Yes he would have but the difference is he is going out of his way to been seen

How is that going out of his way? He would have been seen anyway. How long ago was that? He had great seats to a game that he loves, and he sat in the front row. So sue him

And he is a Celeb just like other presidents before him.

[TVFactFan]

How is that going out of his way? He would have been seen anyway. How long ago was that? He had great seats to a game that he loves, and he sat in the front row. So sue him

And he is a Celeb just like other presidents before him.


Appearing on the Tonight Show is the definition of going out his way to be seen

[Brieannas21]

Appearing on the Tonight Show is the definition of going out his way to be seen


He could just interrupt your daily television viewing every single night to do that. Appearing on a Night Show isn't going out of his way. He could just walk down the street to get a cup of coffee and it would make headlines. He bought Michelle flowers and that made the news.

Again, if those are the only 3 things , and he's only been in office for nearly 2 months. In two years if he's in a movie, and has his own TV show, then it will be a big deal.

[Hollow]

comparing obama to a celebrity because he does things that don't actually define "celebrity"/"entertainer" or go against the definition of "president" but that many entertainers do that not many presidents have done = false analogy. criticizing him as a president for being 'like a celebrity' = ad hominem.

[Faith]

I agree Solomon.

[Pus$y Galore]

Bill Clinton attended one in 1998. He sat in his box though.


:rofl: He sat on MANY BOXES as president!!! :lol:


I think Obama is doing this because he is focusing on the younger crowd. I'm sure his advisors are telling him he should make the best out of his popularity by doing this. I would caution him though not to make it a habit - especially in these times. He's going to have to watch how much of it he does. To me, if he is making progress with the economy and all, then fine, let him go on shows. I think it's cool a prez was on the Tonight Show actually, but yeah, don't become a regular at it. Besides, it leaves him open to make gaffes like the Special Olympics one - OOOPS!

I fear more for his safety than anything.

[Tweety]

Well, he made his appearance last night. He managed to insult the Special Olympics...nice going there, mr president. (guess he could always blame it on the teleprompter)

OBAMA: That's wasn't the teleprompter I've known for so many years.



So are all the college age kids that he's reaching out to any less clueless than they were before his appearance on Leno?

To college age folks: What did you learn from Obama's appearance on the Tonight Show?


(And most Presidents sit in the press box or luxury boxes to avoid drawing excess attention to themselves while they enjoy the game).

But yeah, this is what happens when we have a college professor/celebrity "serving" as the TOTUS.

[TVFactFan]

Well, he made his appearance last night. He managed to insult the Special Olympics...nice going there, mr president. (guess he could always blame it on the teleprompter)

OBAMA: That's wasn't the teleprompter I've known for so many years.



So are all the college age kids that he's reaching out to any less clueless than they were before his appearance on Leno?

To college age folks: What did you learn from Obama's appearance on the Tonight Show?


(And most Presidents sit in the press box or luxury boxes to avoid drawing excess attention to themselves while they enjoy the game).

But yeah, this is what happens when we have a college professor/celebrity "serving" as the TOTUS.


Great Post. I missed the Special Olympics comment what was that about?

[Tweety]

Great Post. I missed the Special Olympics comment what was that about?

Obama compared his poor bowling skills to a Special Olympics athlete.

As you may know, the Tonight show is pre-recorded and apparently an Obama staffer (or maybe Obama himself, I'm not sure) called the head of the S.Olym to apologize for the comment. The apology was issued before the Tonight show even aired last night.

I did not see the show itself, I only read about the joke earlier today.

Here's a transcript of that part of the show:

LENO: Now, are they going to put a basketball -- I imagine the bowling alley has been just burned and closed down.

THE PRESIDENT: No, no. I have been practicing all -- (laughter.)

LENO: Really? Really?

THE PRESIDENT: I bowled a 129. (Laughter and applause.)

LENO: No, that's very good. Yes. That's very good, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something. (Laughter.)

LENO: No, that's very good.

THE PRESIDENT: No, listen, I'm making progress on the bowling, yes.

__________________________________________


I don't know if you are aware that, during the campaign, Obama stopped by a bowling alley (in Pennsylvania) and bowled a 37. I just found out today though, that apparently the 37 was his score after seven frames , and he didn't finish the game. Not that that makes it any better :lol:

But anyway, it was his bowling skill (lack of it, actually) that Obama was talking about in comparing himself (as a bowler) to a Special Olympics athlete.

Boy, I'd like to see the MSM reaction if ANY Republican (let alone the President) ever made a comment like that. Oh man!

___________________________________________

EDIT: Quick update: Tim Shriver, the Special Olympics Chairman, is Maria Shriver's brother.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h0FwbhZHHJzSLqvPQC_xR0yjC6SAD971UK1O2

Maria Shriver: Obama Special Olympics 'joke' hurts

55 minutes ago

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Maria Shriver says President Barack Obama's joke comparing his poor bowling score to that of a Special Olympics athlete was hurtful, although she is sure he didn't mean it that way.

California's first lady issued a statement Friday, a day after the president made the gaffe on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. Obama later called Maria's brother, Special Olympics Chairman Tim Shriver, to apologize.

The siblings' mother, Eunice Kennedy-Shriver, founded the Special Olympics and has championed the rights of the mentally disabled.

Maria Shriver says the reaction to Obama's joke shows there is still more work to do. She says laughing at such comments "hurts millions of people throughout the world."

Shriver, a Democrat, supported Obama's presidential campaign.
_____________________________________________________________

I guess that the college crowd really did learn something... they learned what Obama really thinks about Special Olympic athletes. And shame on Maria for defending Obama on this one by telling the rest of us that he didn't really mean what he said.

[Waterston_Fan]

Obama compared his poor bowling skills to a Special Olympics athlete.

As you may know, the Tonight show is pre-recorded and apparently an Obama staffer (or maybe Obama himself, I'm not sure) called the head of the S.Olym to apologize for the comment. The apology was issued before the Tonight show even aired last night.

I did not see the show itself, I only read about the joke earlier today.

Here's a transcript of that part of the show:

LENO: Now, are they going to put a basketball -- I imagine the bowling alley has been just burned and closed down.

THE PRESIDENT: No, no. I have been practicing all -- (laughter.)

LENO: Really? Really?

THE PRESIDENT: I bowled a 129. (Laughter and applause.)

LENO: No, that's very good. Yes. That's very good, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something. (Laughter.)

LENO: No, that's very good.

THE PRESIDENT: No, listen, I'm making progress on the bowling, yes.

__________________________________________


I don't know if you are aware that, during the campaign, Obama stopped by a bowling alley (in Pennsylvania) and bowled a 37. I just found out today though, that apparently the 37 was his score after seven frames , and he didn't finish the game. Not that that makes it any better :lol:

But anyway, it was his bowling skill (lack of it, actually) that Obama was talking about in comparing himself (as a bowler) to a Special Olympics athlete.

Boy, I'd like to see the MSM reaction if ANY Republican (let alone the President) ever made a comment like that. Oh man!

___________________________________________

EDIT: Quick update: Tim Shriver, the Special Olympics Chairman, is Maria Shriver's brother.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h0FwbhZHHJzSLqvPQC_xR0yjC6SAD971UK1O2

Maria Shriver: Obama Special Olympics 'joke' hurts

55 minutes ago

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Maria Shriver says President Barack Obama's joke comparing his poor bowling score to that of a Special Olympics athlete was hurtful, although she is sure he didn't mean it that way.

California's first lady issued a statement Friday, a day after the president made the gaffe on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. Obama later called Maria's brother, Special Olympics Chairman Tim Shriver, to apologize.

The siblings' mother, Eunice Kennedy-Shriver, founded the Special Olympics and has championed the rights of the mentally disabled.

Maria Shriver says the reaction to Obama's joke shows there is still more work to do. She says laughing at such comments "hurts millions of people throughout the world."

Shriver, a Democrat, supported Obama's presidential campaign.
_____________________________________________________________

I guess that the college crowd really did learn something... they learned what Obama really thinks about Special Olympic athletes. And shame on Maria for defending Obama on this one by telling the rest of us that he didn't really mean what he said.

I apologize in advance...

Okay.. why is that seemed to be rude?

[Tweety]

I apologize in advance...

Okay.. why is that seemed to be rude?

You mean what Obama said?

[Waterston_Fan]

You mean what Obama said?

Yeah.

[JT]

I guess that the college crowd really did learn something... they learned what Obama really thinks about Special Olympic athletes. And shame on Maria for defending Obama on this one by telling the rest of us that he didn't really mean what he said.

Maria and her brother both accepted the President's apology, and they both believed it to be sincere. What else is there to do with regards to the matter?

[Tweety]

Another update:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_special_olympics


A Special Olympics bowler has challenged Obama to a match... this guy has bowled 5 perfect games (so far).

I'll bet that Obama will accept and bowl against this guy. That would be an excellent goodwill gesture.

[TVFactFan]

I can't take him seriously as President anymore after Last Night

[Brieannas21]

I can't take him seriously as President anymore after Last Night


And you took Bush seriously?

[TVFactFan]

And you took Bush seriously?


Hell No, I took Clinton and George Bush Sr. Seriously. Obama was on the Tonight show cracking jokes like he is a comedian.

[Stuck In The '70's]

I just read where the Simpsons' producers want him to be a guest voice on the show. I wouldn't be surprised if he did it. lol

[TVFactFan]

I just read where the Simpsons' producers want him to be a guest voice on the show. I wouldn't be surprised if he did it. lol


I see he still think he is on the campiagn trail and don't realize he is the president and should not be trying to ENTERTAIN the public.

[Brieannas21]

I can't take him seriously as President anymore after Last Night


Key Words: The Tonight Show

If he were too serious the whole time people would call him boring, and plus he had Jay on his side joking also.

I think it's a great thing that he can be laid back at times and that he is trying to reach out to the college age crowd.

The Special Olympics thing was bad, but the guy his human, everyone puts their foot in their mouth from time to time. As long as he does not do it all the time. He also apologized immediately afterwards

What about Clinton and the Monica scandal? Did you still take him seriously, And don't get me started on GWB Sr.

[Brieannas21]

I just read where the Simpsons' producers want him to be a guest voice on the show. I wouldn't be surprised if he did it. lol

I seriously doubt that he would do the Simpsons

[TVFactFan]

Key Words: The Tonight Show

If he were too serious the whole time people would call him boring, and plus he had Jay on his side joking also.

I think it's a great thing that he can be laid back at times and that he is trying to reach out to the college age crowd.

The Special Olympics thing was bad, but the guy his human, everyone puts their foot in their mouth from time to time. As long as he does not do it all the time. He also apologized immediately afterwards

What about Clinton and the Monica scandal? Did you still take him seriously, And don't get me started on GWB Sr.


You can't compare the Lewinsky Thing to Obama appearing on the Tonight Show

[TVFactFan]

I seriously doubt that he would do the Simpsons


I recall Obama saying last night that being the President of the U.S. is like being on American Idol

[Brieannas21]

You can't compare the Lewinsky Thing to Obama appearing on the Tonight Show


Why not? A cheater who lied, compared to a guy who appeared on the Tonight Show. Which one does more harm?

[Hollow]

I guess that the college crowd really did learn something... they learned what Obama really thinks about Special Olympic athletes.
oh please. what are you saying, special olympians are as athletically good as regular olympians? they aren't, that's why they have separate competitions. hence the joke. it was pretty edgy for being broadcasted on the tonight show, but he immediately apologized, don't blow it out of proportion and make him seem like some kind of judgmental bigot. if you want to talk about negative generalizations about groups of people, take a look at your own posts about democrats.

[Brieannas21]

I recall Obama saying last night that being the President of the U.S. is like being on American Idol


That has been said by others as well, people vote for who they like just like on AI, what's wrong with saying that? You go through many rounds and it isn't easy.

[TVFactFan]

Why not? A cheater who lied, compared to a guy who appeared on the Tonight Show. Which one does more harm?


Yeah it didn't look good but he had already been President for 7 years at the time. Obama has been president for 10 minutes and is already making mistakes by appearing on a Late Night Comedy Show and has yet to ACCOMPLISH anything. Try accomplishing something then go to a GAME. I think going to a basketball game is fine as long as he is not in the front row. But appearing on a Late Night Talk Show is a No-No

[Brieannas21]

Yeah it didn't look good but he had already been President for 7 years at the time. Obama has been president for 10 minutes and is already making mistakes by appearing on a Late Night Comedy Show and has yet to ACCOMPLISH anything. Try accomplishing something then go to a GAME. I think going to a basketball game is fine as long as he is not in the front row. But appearing on a Late Night Talk Show is a No-No

I am done, if those trivial things bother you, then so be it. Other things worry me. President Obama going to a Basketball game and going on the Tonight Show is the least of my worries. This is trivial nonsense. There are bigger and more important things to worry about.

[TVFactFan]

I am done, if those trivial things bother you, then so be it. Other things worry me. President Obama going to a Basketball game and going on the Tonight Show is the least of my worries. This is trivial nonsense. There are bigger and more important things to worry about.



I can always tell when I have you backed into a corner because you say stuff like-"I'm done"-LOL You did that in every debate on here. Come back at me with someting else, don't throw in the towel on me.

[Hollow]

Yeah it didn't look good but he had already been President for 7 years at the time. Obama has been president for 10 minutes and is already making mistakes by appearing on a Late Night Comedy Show and has yet to ACCOMPLISH anything. Try accomplishing something then go to a GAME. I think going to a basketball game is fine as long as he is not in the front row. But appearing on a Late Night Talk Show is a No-No
presidents have spare time too, what's wrong with using it?

[TVFactFan]

presidents have spare time too, what's wrong with using it?

nothing, just as long as he is not using it to be a comedian.

[Brieannas21]

I can always tell when I have you backed into a corner because you say stuff like-"I'm done"-LOL You did that in every debate on here. Come back at me with someting else, don't throw in the towel on me.

You do not have my backed into a corner. It is just stupid and trivial and I am tired of repeating myself over and over. If you are basing your opinion on The Tonight Show and going to the Basketball game, then I know that you are not really focus on the real issues. I could careless if President Obama went to a Basketball game and he had courtside tickets (I though his best friend actually had to tickets) and I could careless about picking Basketball teams, So What. It is all trivial nonsense bull****. I should be packing my suitcase right now not on here debating rather or not it is OK if the President goes to a Basketball game.

[TVFactFan]

You do not have my backed into a corner. It is just stupid and trivial and I am tired of repeating myself over and over. If you are basing your opinion on The Tonight Show and going to the Basketball game, then I know that you are not really focus on the real issues. I could careless if President Obama went to a Basketball game and he had courtside tickets (I though his best friend actually had to tickets) and I could careless about picking Basketball teams, So What. It is all trivial nonsense bull****. I should be packing my suitcase right now not on here debating rather or not it is OK if the President goes to a Basketball game.

another business trip?

[Brieannas21]

another business trip?

Yep, wanna go? LOL

[TVFactFan]

Yep, wanna go? LOL


I just interviewed for a job that requires a lot of local travel and will not be interested. I guess traveling doesn;t bother you

[Brieannas21]

I just interviewed for a job that requires a lot of local travel and will not be interested. I guess traveling doesn;t bother you

It sucks sometimes, But I get to go places where I wouldn't normally go. But this time it's going to suck.

[catlover79]

Yes, his celebrity status is ridiculous! If I wanted a celebrity for a president, I would've voted for Wayne Rogers or Alan Alda! :crazy: :lol:
Who are you kidding, Lu? You would've voted for them anyway!! :D :rofl:

[catlover79]

I just read where the Simpsons' producers want him to be a guest voice on the show. I wouldn't be surprised if he did it. lol
Me neither. :lol:

[James"Thunder"Early]

I think he's trying to seem like a regular person and not act like a lot of political leaders do sometimes, which is try to act like they are above regular people. He's gotten quite few things done in the past couple of months, so I don't see the big deal here.

[platinumblondelife]

Hell No, I took Clinton and George Bush Sr. Seriously. Obama was on the Tonight show cracking jokes like he is a comedian.
Bill Clinton was one of our best Presidents, so I understand that...but George Bush Sr.? Why would you take him seriously? didn't he leave the the economy in shambles too, though he supposedly did a good job with the Gulf War (so I hear... I was a toddler).

[Fleet]

Bill Clinton was one of our best Presidents,
:lol: :lol: :lol:
One of our most corrupt would be more accurate!

[Dr. John Becker]

He's gotten quite few things done in the past couple of months, so I don't see the big deal here.


He has gotten quite a few things done, like bringing this nation closer to socialism.

[platinumblondelife]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
One of our most corrupt would be more accurate!
He's ranked number 15 of our the top Presidents by historians. That is pretty high and he'd be higher without the Lewinsky witch hunt.

[bandito]

He's ranked number 15 of our the top Presidents by historians. That is pretty high and he'd be higher without the Lewinsky witch hunt.Bill Clinton ranked 15?? Where did you get that info from?

[Waterston_Fan]

Well guys, I think I'm just going to give up on asking or trying to figure out what the hell the insult was.

On some other boards, I seem to have made people's feathers even more ruffled.

This is how I look at it:

I didn't know 129 was a low score, I thought that is a great score. So I don't know anymore. :confused:

I have heard this: He was comparing his score to those in the Special Olympics. How was he comparing it that turned insulting?

Never seen so many people get their feathers ruffled with a question of what was the insult. :eek:

[JT]

I don't get why "celebrity" is such a bad word. Dictionary.com defines a celebrity as "a famous or well-known person." Merriam-Webster says "a famous or celebrated person."

I would hope that the President is at least famous and well-known. Celebrated is a different thing, but the first two....

[James"Thunder"Early]

He has gotten quite a few things done, like bringing this nation closer to socialism.

Do you even know what the word socialism means? Most Republicans throw it around and haven't a clue of what the definition is. His policies are nowhere close to socialism.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Well guys, I think I'm just going to give up on asking or trying to figure out what the hell the insult was.

On some other boards, I seem to have made people's feathers even more ruffled.

This is how I look at it:

I didn't know 129 was a low score, I thought that is a great score. So I don't know anymore. :confused:

I have heard this: He was comparing his score to those in the Special Olympics. How was he comparing it that turned insulting?

Never seen so many people get their feathers ruffled with a question of what was the insult. :eek:It's just more feigned outrage over nothing by people still bitter over the election result, it's not worth pay attention to.

[bandito]

Do you even know what the word socialism means? Most Republicans throw it around and haven't a clue of what the definition is. His policies are nowhere close to socialism.Why don't you explain what the word socialism means to you. Everything that I see Obama doing is like Becker stated, bringing socialism to the US.

[Brieannas21]

Everything that I see Obama doing is like Becker stated, bringing socialism to the US.


Like?

[bandito]

It's just more feigned outrage over nothing by people still bitter over the election result, it's not worth pay attention to.If GWB or any other Republican would have said that.. YOU would have been all over it.

[Brian Damage]

He's ranked number 15 of our the top Presidents by historians. That is pretty high and he'd be higher without the Lewinsky witch hunt.

Witch hunt? Don't you think that is a poor choice of words? The guy did get oral sex from her and did lie about it under oath. Those are the facts. It makes you wonder what else he lied about and tried to hide while in office.

[Brian Damage]

It's just more feigned outrage over nothing by people still bitter over the election result, it's not worth pay attention to.


Like what the Dems did for the past 8 years while "W" was in office?

[Brian Damage]

I don't get why "celebrity" is such a bad word. Dictionary.com defines a celebrity as "a famous or well-known person." Merriam-Webster says "a famous or celebrated person."

I would hope that the President is at least famous and well-known. Celebrated is a different thing, but the first two....


There is nothing wrong with being a "celebrity" while campaigning for the office. The point is, he is already the president. Shut up and work, don't go to a talk show and start cracking jokes. I agree with Sol, the President of the United States has an obligation and a certain way of handling himself. Doing all these extra curricular activities is just wrong and not becoming of the most powerful man in the free world.

[bandito]

Like?

Socialism is opposed to capitalism, which is based on private ownership and a free-market economy. Socialists have advocated nationalization (government ownership and control) of natural resources, basic industries, banking and credit institutions, and public utilities. Socialism has never worked in history and never will.

Barack was born, bread, & raised with communist & marxist ideals. He has attended anti american churches. His goal is to socialize america. Socialism is one step away from communism.

This administration is aimed at changing our fundamental rights from our constitution.


One item being worked on is EFCA:

EFCA would effectively create government-run workplaces, and this provision would apply to small businesses too. Because EFCA has no meaningful small business exemption, it would authorize federal control of up to four million small businesses employing 39 million Americans.

EFCA does more than take away workers rights to vote in privacy. It also gives control of the workplace to government bureaucrats with no experience.

Nationalized Healthcare is pure socialism and will destroy the greatest healthcare on earth. Canada & Europes nationalized healthcare is awful.
A group of government officials decide if you get care. Just wait, you'll see.

The middle class is completely undertack. We have lost 1/2 of our life savings and will be taxed to death to support lazy people who think they deserve what we hard working american have without having to work or pay taxes.

Our administration is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

They will rule by simple majority mob, forcing its will upon the minority, the American taxpayer.


The leftist American press so wanted “change” that they turned their collective head from every reasonable query regarding a freshman senator with a blank résumé and a past so secret that he dare not even allow his birth or college records to become public. A man so surrounded by well-known evil doers, that the only thing on his résumé is a long list of ill-fated associations with terrorists, criminals and anti-American thugs.

Still, the American press went so far as to label this man a “messiah,” a savior… who would forever change our nation, righting all the wrongs of freedom and capitalism. Never in history has a more unqualified candidate sought the Oval Office. And this guy won…

[TVFactFan]

I don't get why "celebrity" is such a bad word. Dictionary.com defines a celebrity as "a famous or well-known person." Merriam-Webster says "a famous or celebrated person."

I would hope that the President is at least famous and well-known. Celebrated is a different thing, but the first two....

Now is not the time to be making appearances on Comedy Shows and showing his teeth and cracking jokes. Too many serious issues going on right now and he has the look on camera-"OMG I"M ACTUALLY PRESIDENT OF THE U.S."

[bandito]

Now is not the time to be making appearances on Comedy Shows and showing his teeth and cracking jokes. Too many serious issues going on right now and he has the look on camera-"OMG I"M ACTUALLY PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.":clap:

[JT]

There is nothing wrong with being a "celebrity" while campaigning for the office. The point is, he is already the president. Shut up and work, don't go to a talk show and start cracking jokes. I agree with Sol, the President of the United States has an obligation and a certain way of handling himself. Doing all these extra curricular activities is just wrong and not becoming of the most powerful man in the free world.
Eh, I disagree (respectfully). Any opportunity that a president has to safely get closer to the people, in any way, should be taken. I didn't watch Obama on the Tonight Show (I loathe, loathe, loathe all late night talk shows), so I can't really comment on the result of his appearing on the show, but I like the idea of it. Something like that gives the President a chance to be humanized more in the public's eyes, to see his (or her, whenever that day comes) personality more, and understand the reasons why he or she takes certain positions.

I never believe in being a slave to tradition, so it doesn't bother me that no other President has done it before. There have been a lot of firsts throughout the years as far as the Presidency is concerned.

[Stuck In The '70's]

I thought we'd be out of Iraq by now or at least getting ready to leave. :lol:

[platinumblondelife]

Witch hunt? Don't you think that is a poor choice of words? The guy did get oral sex from her and did lie about it under oath. Those are the facts. It makes you wonder what else he lied about and tried to hide while in office.
It should have never been under investigation. Do you know how many U.S. Presidents had sex with someone who was not their wife? Not to mention probably 75% of the people in Congress. I guess we should launch investigations into which congressperson has been faithful and who hasn't. :rolleyes:

[Stuck In The '70's]

It should have never been under investigation. Do you know how many U.S. Presidents had sex with someone who was not their wife? Not to mention probably 75% of the people in Congress. I guess we should launch investigations into which congressperson has been faithful and who hasn't. :rolleyes:
It opens him up to a lot of blackmail too, If he didn't want anyone to know about it and he sure didn't. If he's proud of being a cheater than he should have come on TV and admitted it. I would have had more respect for him. :D

[littlebelle]

What about Clinton and the Monica scandal? Did you still take him seriously

Had nothing to do with running a country.

[platinumblondelife]

Socialism is opposed to capitalism, which is based on private ownership and a free-market economy. Socialists have advocated nationalization (government ownership and control) of natural resources, basic industries, banking and credit institutions, and public utilities. Socialism has never worked in history and never will.

Barack was born, bread, & raised with communist & marxist ideals. He has attended anti american churches. His goal is to socialize america. Socialism is one step away from communism.

This administration is aimed at changing our fundamental rights from our constitution.


One item being worked on is EFCA:

EFCA would effectively create government-run workplaces, and this provision would apply to small businesses too. Because EFCA has no meaningful small business exemption, it would authorize federal control of up to four million small businesses employing 39 million Americans.

EFCA does more than take away workers rights to vote in privacy. It also gives control of the workplace to government bureaucrats with no experience.

Nationalized Healthcare is pure socialism and will destroy the greatest healthcare on earth. Canada & Europes nationalized healthcare is awful.
A group of government officials decide if you get care. Just wait, you'll see.

The middle class is completely undertack. We have lost 1/2 of our life savings and will be taxed to death to support lazy people who think they deserve what we hard working american have without having to work or pay taxes.

Our administration is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

They will rule by simple majority mob, forcing its will upon the minority, the American taxpayer.


The leftist American press so wanted “change” that they turned their collective head from every reasonable query regarding a freshman senator with a blank résumé and a past so secret that he dare not even allow his birth or college records to become public. A man so surrounded by well-known evil doers, that the only thing on his résumé is a long list of ill-fated associations with terrorists, criminals and anti-American thugs.

Still, the American press went so far as to label this man a “messiah,” a savior… who would forever change our nation, righting all the wrongs of freedom and capitalism. Never in history has a more unqualified candidate sought the Oval Office. And this guy won…
Socialism is the government putting more regulation on corporations, which is what it should do (if it plans on really doing it right, and carefully). It is not like one cannot make money, as if we're under communism where everything is equal. Yes, the government owns part of the economy, guess what, it was A REPUBLICAN who decided to buy businesses, but you only want to criticize Obama for doing it, or act as if he's the first person to start doing this. You say socialism has never worked and never will, but want to completely ignore the fact that deregulation of companies BROUGHT US to the point we are in now.

[platinumblondelife]

It opens him up to a lot of blackmail too, If he didn't want anyone to know about it and he sure didn't. If he's proud of being a cheater than he should have come on TV and admitted it. I would have had more respect for him. :D
Do you think its easy for a husband to just up and admit that they've cheated on their wife and hurt their family? 95% of men probably can't do it in private, and he had to deal with this in public. A public investigation into whether or not the President had an affair and lied about it? it was a bull**** waste of time. Didn't one of the Republicans leaders who was going after him have to resign after they were caught having an ongoing relationship with a prostitute? It was just a bunch of BS, and the public knew it.

[platinumblondelife]

There is nothing wrong with being a "celebrity" while campaigning for the office. The point is, he is already the president. Shut up and work, don't go to a talk show and start cracking jokes. I agree with Sol, the President of the United States has an obligation and a certain way of handling himself. Doing all these extra curricular activities is just wrong and not becoming of the most powerful man in the free world.
Why isn't it okay for him to go on a show and talk to regular people about the economy? It was an outreach to the non-Meet the Press crowd. I'm can't speak on whether it was a good decision or not, but don't act like a President can't do ANYTHING as President other than sit in the oval office. The man shouldn't be allowed to have a life? A 20 minute interview, mostly about the economy, is soooooo horrible? Come on now, you don't REALLY believe that, do you?

[Yooch]

If you're occupying the Presidency, you are a 'celebrity' like it or not. Obama was elected by popular support, so he is being accountable to the average American, which I think he should be. He's simply being responsive to this wide constituency. If that brings him accusations of seeking celebrity, so be it. Ultimately he will be assessed on how he does and what he accomplishes, and that should, imo, be the only criteria. Those who make the 'celebrity' charge have other issues I think. He's not accountable to, nor should he be, to the fat cats and lobbyists, the CEOs etc. He's accountable to the people. It seems that any time a politician starts defending the powerless, he/she is branded a socialist. If anyone wants to throw the label "socialist" around, they should know what they're talking about.

[Brieannas21]

Socialism is opposed to capitalism, which is based on private ownership and a free-market economy. Socialists have advocated nationalization (government ownership and control) of natural resources, basic industries, banking and credit institutions, and public utilities. Socialism has never worked in history and never will.

Barack was born, bread, & raised with communist & marxist ideals. He has attended anti american churches. His goal is to socialize america. Socialism is one step away from communism.

This administration is aimed at changing our fundamental rights from our constitution.


One item being worked on is EFCA:

EFCA would effectively create government-run workplaces, and this provision would apply to small businesses too. Because EFCA has no meaningful small business exemption, it would authorize federal control of up to four million small businesses employing 39 million Americans.

EFCA does more than take away workers rights to vote in privacy. It also gives control of the workplace to government bureaucrats with no experience.

Nationalized Healthcare is pure socialism and will destroy the greatest healthcare on earth. Canada & Europes nationalized healthcare is awful.
A group of government officials decide if you get care. Just wait, you'll see.

The middle class is completely undertack. We have lost 1/2 of our life savings and will be taxed to death to support lazy people who think they deserve what we hard working american have without having to work or pay taxes.

Our administration is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

They will rule by simple majority mob, forcing its will upon the minority, the American taxpayer.


The leftist American press so wanted “change” that they turned their collective head from every reasonable query regarding a freshman senator with a blank résumé and a past so secret that he dare not even allow his birth or college records to become public. A man so surrounded by well-known evil doers, that the only thing on his résumé is a long list of ill-fated associations with terrorists, criminals and anti-American thugs.

Still, the American press went so far as to label this man a “messiah,” a savior… who would forever change our nation, righting all the wrongs of freedom and capitalism. Never in history has a more unqualified candidate sought the Oval Office. And this guy won…

I am asking for your personal opinion, not something that you have copied and pasted, that proves nothing. If you cannot come up with your own opinion about his so-called socialism then that speaks volumes. Still with the whole Messiah Bull**** name calling? HA, it is starting to make me laugh because that is a lame so-called put down.

[TVFactFan]

Why isn't it okay for him to go on a show and talk to regular people about the economy? It was an outreach to the non-Meet the Press crowd. I'm can't speak on whether it was a good decision or not, but don't act like a President can't do ANYTHING as President other than sit in the oval office. The man shouldn't be allowed to have a life? A 20 minute interview, mostly about the economy, is soooooo horrible? Come on now, you don't REALLY believe that, do you?


He looks too happy to be president and that makes it seem like he is not concerned about what's really happening. He has only been president for 60 days and had plenty of time to appear on a tonight show so why do it so soon? And crack jokes on top of it?

[James"Thunder"Early]

Why don't you explain what the word socialism means to you. Everything that I see Obama doing is like Becker stated, bringing socialism to the US.

The definition is very simple, for socialism to come to this country, there has to be at least one element of it, such as nationalizing companies, universal healthcare and increased labor regulations, but none of those have happened. Compared to some of the socialist politicians in Europe and South America, Obama is very centrist.

If GWB or any other Republican would have said that.. YOU would have been all over it. YOU don't know what I would have said. It's about context and if anyone else had made the same statement as Obama, it still wouldn't have been offensive to.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Like what the Dems did for the past 8 years while "W" was in office? There was some feigned outrage then, but it doesn't change the fact that there is plenty of it now too.

[platinumblondelife]

He looks too happy to be president and that makes it seem like he is not concerned about what's really happening. He has only been president for 60 days and had plenty of time to appear on a tonight show so why do it so soon? And crack jokes on top of it?
He wasn't cracking jokes the whole time though...he's allowed to have a sense of humor, I would think. He was mostly focused on the economy and explaining what was going on; he was serious. He's having another prime-time news conference on Tuesday for that reason.

[Hollow]

Had nothing to do with running a country.
neither did the special olympics comment.

[bandito]

Socialism is the government putting more regulation on corporations, which is what it should do (if it plans on really doing it right, and carefully). It is not like one cannot make money, as if we're under communism where everything is equal. Yes, the government owns part of the economy, guess what, it was A REPUBLICAN who decided to buy businesses, but you only want to criticize Obama for doing it, or act as if he's the first person to start doing this. You say socialism has never worked and never will, but want to completely ignore the fact that deregulation of companies BROUGHT US to the point we are in now.

What brought us into the place we are now was the aggressive approach to enforce the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) started under Bill Clinton in 1998. The goverment forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to give massive amounts of bad loans to people who could not afford them. The gov. wanted anyone to be able to get homes that working class people could afford including illegal aliens. The Dem. gov. forced banks to go against their procedures to to this by deregulating them. In 2004, a year after the Bush administration tried to tighten regulation and oversight on Fannie and Freddie, Congress was told yet again that disaster loomed. The Democratic response were the direct quotes as follows.

Maxine Waters: Through nearly a dozen hearings, we were frankly trying to fix something that wasn’t broke. Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Franklin Raines. [Raines would barely avoid prosecution for fraud.]
Gregory Meeks: … I’m just pissed off at OFHEO [the regulators trying to warn Congress of insolvency at the GSEs], because if it wasn’t for you, I don’t think we’d be here in the first place. … There’s been nothing that indicated that’s wrong with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac has come up on its own … The question that then comes up is the competence that your agency has with reference to deciding and regulating these GSEs.
Lacy Clay: This hearing is about the political lynching of Franklin Raines.
Barney Frank: I don’t see anything in this report that raises safety and soundness problems.

The republican's wanted more regulatory oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the dem's spent their time attacking the regulators. When Barack Obama & the dems talk constantly about how the past eight years of regulatory failure created the problem, he may want to review the transcripts of these hearings and note that Democrats repeatedly undermined regulators and called them everything from incompetent to bigoted in their rush to keep the status quo at Fannie and Freddie. In 2006 the Dem gov. was in majority and were warned 18 times for more regulation. Instead they just blame Bush. That's the coward way out.

Bush should not have bailed out anyone also.

[bandito]

I am asking for your personal opinion, not something that you have copied and pasted, that proves nothing. If you cannot come up with your own opinion about his so-called socialism then that speaks volumes. Still with the whole Messiah Bull**** name calling? HA, it is starting to make me laugh because that is a lame so-called put down.That is my opinion, whats so hard to understand? The copy and paste was just an education on politics that you oviously need.

MESSIAH. Did I strike a nerve?

[bandito]

neither did the special olympics comment.Thank you.

[bandito]

The definition is very simple, for socialism to come to this country, there has to be at least one element of it, such as nationalizing companies, universal healthcare and increased labor regulations, but none of those have happened. Compared to some of the socialist politicians in Europe and South America, Obama is very centrist.

YOU don't know what I would have said. It's about context and if anyone else had made the same statement as Obama, it still wouldn't have been offensive to.What do you think Barracks agenda is?

[James"Thunder"Early]

What do you think Barracks agenda is?
The agenda sure isn't socialism, not by an stretch.

[platinumblondelife]

That is my opinion, whats so hard to understand? The copy and paste was just an education on politics that you oviously need.

MESSIAH. Did I strike a nerve?
Why do you mistake enthusiasm for people believing he's a messiah? I guess Ronald Reagan was your messiah.

[platinumblondelife]

What brought us into the place we are now was the aggressive approach to enforce the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) started under Bill Clinton in 1998. The goverment forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to give massive amounts of bad loans to people who could not afford them. The gov. wanted anyone to be able to get homes that working class people could afford including illegal aliens. The Dem. gov. forced banks to go against their procedures to to this by deregulating them. In 2004, a year after the Bush administration tried to tighten regulation and oversight on Fannie and Freddie, Congress was told yet again that disaster loomed. The Democratic response were the direct quotes as follows.

Bush should not have bailed out anyone also.
Democrats and Republicans are to blame. My point is, it was BUSH who ordered that they own the banks, yet, you don't think Bush is a socialist. Frankly it's comical that you and Republicans want to blame Bill Clinton for everything. I have no doubt that under Bill Clinton for the last 8 years, we wouldn't be where we are. Fannie and Freddie are not solely responsible for economic collapse...I guess that's all Republicans have to latch on to.

[Brieannas21]

Had nothing to do with running a country.


It was a HUGE distraction, so it had everything to do with running the country.

[Brieannas21]

He looks too happy to be president and that makes it seem like he is not concerned about what's really happening. He has only been president for 60 days and had plenty of time to appear on a tonight show so why do it so soon? And crack jokes on top of it?


He was there to talk about the economy, that was the whole point of going on the show. And he did so

He looks too happy????? :lol:

[LuLu Rogers]

Why do you mistake enthusiasm for people believing he's a messiah? I guess Ronald Reagan was your messiah.

I don't recall anyone being this excited when Ronald Reagan was elected. (I think he was a great president, but not the Messiah) There are people out there who are worshiping everything Obama does as if he were a god, and believe me, he's about as far from being God as a person can get.

[Brieannas21]

That is my opinion, whats so hard to understand? The copy and paste was just an education on politics that you oviously need.

MESSIAH. Did I strike a nerve?


HA!, that isn't your opinion, that's someone else's, and you cannot come up with your own.

At this point, the whole messiah thing is old and tired. So no it does not strike a nerve, it is laughable at this point because it is like follow the leader with you guys.

[MickeyMac]

This man has been the President for only two months and so far he has

1.Sat in the front row of a Wizards Game

2. Appeared on ESPN to make his NCAA Tournament Picks

3.And Now appearing on the TONIGHT SHOW?????



What the hell is he doing? Shouldn't he be doing something more important than acting like a Celebrity and being more focused on the economy?


This man flew to LA to be on the Tonight Show??

I'm stunned



The man is a liberal Democrat. This is how they behave. Image first, the country second.

My concious is clear I didnt vote for the man.

[Brieannas21]

I don't recall anyone being this excited when Ronald Reagan was elected. (I think he was a great president, but not the Messiah) There are people out there who are worshiping everything Obama does as if he were a god, and believe me, he's about as far from being God as a person can get.

Were you even born to "remember the excitement" of Ronald Reagan becoming president? I am 28 and I do not even remember him, only the tale end of his presidency and even at that age I was not even interested.

[JT]

I don't recall anyone being this excited when Ronald Reagan was elected. (I think he was a great president, but not the Messiah) There are people out there who are worshiping everything Obama does as if he were a god, and believe me, he's about as far from being God as a person can get.
There was extra excitement about Obama becoming President because he is a black man. Fifty some-odd years ago, he wouldn't have been allowed into some restaurants, much less would he be running the country. It's a big deal, and that's why there's excitement.

And as far as him being "as far from God as a person can get," would you care to tell me who in this Earth is close to being God?

[platinumblondelife]

I don't recall anyone being this excited when Ronald Reagan was elected. (I think he was a great president, but not the Messiah) There are people out there who are worshiping everything Obama does as if he were a god, and believe me, he's about as far from being God as a person can get.
I know a lot of Obama supporters, and I know no one who worships him as God. What are examples?

Supposedly people were VERY excited for Ronald Reagan to become President. I wouldn't know personally, but from what I hear and read, people were VERY celebratory over Reagan.

[Hollow]

I know a lot of Obama supporters, and I know no one who worships him as God. What are examples?

Supposedly people were VERY excited for Ronald Reagan to become President. I wouldn't know personally, but from what I hear and read, people were VERY celebratory over Reagan.
yeah, and many people today are still very in love with ("worship", if you will) reagan. there isn't anything wrong with that, he was supposedly a great president. lots of people are happy obama won because they want change from the poor state this country is in, and because as JT said, 50 years ago this wouldn't have been possible. we've come a long way, which makes it a much bigger deal than, say, when george W. got elected. there's nothing wrong with thinking he's overrated, but no one ever said he was a god. if they have, and they weren't just being rhetorical (ie. the way people say things like "john lennon is GOD!" just to express their fondness) then that's just one or two people out of the millions of obama supporters.

[TVFactFan]

He was there to talk about the economy, that was the whole point of going on the show. And he did so

He looks too happy????? :lol:


Yeah the look like him getting elected in November hasn't wore off. Whatever Job I start next I won't have the same emotional high as I had when during the first week. After two months I would have settled into my new position

[Hollow]

Yeah the look like him getting elected in November hasn't wore off. Whatever Job I start next I won't have the same emotional high as I had when during the first week. After two months I would have settled into my new position
what's wrong with staying upbeat and positive? being president doesn't mean his emotions can't respond to anything other than the state of the economy. it doesn't mean that he's giggling and cracking jokes while doing serious business.

[Dr. John Becker]

His policies are nowhere close to socialism.

You must not be too familiar with his policies if you believe that.

[Brieannas21]

Yeah the look like him getting elected in November hasn't wore off. Whatever Job I start next I won't have the same emotional high as I had when during the first week. After two months I would have settled into my new position

You have to give me some examples. From the time he started his campaign until the day he won, his hair has gotten grayer. I must be missing something I guess smiling and not looking pissed off every second means that you are happy go lucky all the time 24/7. When is it a bad thing to be a positive person?

Where is the logic in your assumption?

[Dr. John Becker]

I found some behind the scenes audio from Obama at the Tonight Show.


http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/New/obamaonleno.asx

[JT]

yeah, and many people today are still very in love with ("worship", if you will) reagan. there isn't anything wrong with that, he was supposedly a great president. lots of people are happy obama won because they want change from the poor state this country is in, and because as JT said, 50 years ago this wouldn't have been possible. we've come a long way, which makes it a much bigger deal than, say, when george W. got elected. there's nothing wrong with thinking he's overrated, but no one ever said he was a god. if they have, and they weren't just being rhetorical (ie. the way people say things like "john lennon is GOD!" just to express their fondness) then that's just one or two people out of the millions of obama supporters.
This times a hundred thousand million billion trillion.

[bandito]

HA!, that isn't your opinion, that's someone else's, and you cannot come up with your own.

At this point, the whole messiah thing is old and tired. So no it does not strike a nerve, it is laughable at this point because it is like follow the leader with you guys.I'm glad that you;re a mind reader and can read everyones mind.. That is my opinion, believe me or not. I don't really care what you think. The Messiah thing may be old, but it's fun watching you libs get all flustered when it's mentioned-lol

[Brieannas21]

I'm glad that you;re a mind reader and can read everyones mind.. That is my opinion, believe me or not. I don't really care what you think. The Messiah thing may be old, but it's fun watching you libs get all flustered when it's mentioned-lol

I am not flustered over your lame ass name-calling? That is all that you got. Keep it up it is very entertaining.

I am no mind reader, but when I ask a person for their opinion, I would actually like to know their opinion, not someone else's. Like I said before it speaks volumes.

[bandito]

I am not flustered over your lame ass name-calling? That is all that you got. Keep it up it is very entertaining.

I am no mind reader, but when I ask a person for their opinion, I would actually like to know their opinion, not someone else's. Like I said before it speaks volumes.Ok, it's someone elses opinion... feel better now?

[Darren J.]

Do you even know what the word socialism means? Most Republicans throw it around and haven't a clue of what the definition is. His policies are nowhere close to socialism.


Wikipedia's definition of socialism:


Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation


Also:


Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society, and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society.


Obama has talked about universal health care(public form of health care) and distributing wealth(form of distribution, though not of actual goods). Our country for years has thrived in a capitalistic environment. Obama's policies may not be exactly like socialism, but they are far closer to socialism than they are to capitalism. Sharing wealth and public health care are not related to capitalism at all.

[LuLu Rogers]

There was extra excitement about Obama becoming President because he is a black man. Fifty some-odd years ago, he wouldn't have been allowed into some restaurants, much less would he be running the country. It's a big deal, and that's why there's excitement.

And as far as him being "as far from God as a person can get," would you care to tell me who in this Earth is close to being God?

No one is close to God, that would be the point. And for the record, if I understand it right, Obama is not black, he's bi-racial. Which I find funny, because most of my black friends hated bi-racial people until Obama was elected, now they LOVE him. I have no problem with his race at all, never had a problem with anyone's race, I just can't stand his policies and his approach to running the country.

[LuLu Rogers]

Were you even born to "remember the excitement" of Ronald Reagan becoming president? I am 28 and I do not even remember him, only the tale end of his presidency and even at that age I was not even interested.

No, but most of my family was and I have the ability to read and do research ;)

[LuLu Rogers]

yeah, and many people today are still very in love with ("worship", if you will) reagan. there isn't anything wrong with that, he was supposedly a great president. lots of people are happy obama won because they want change from the poor state this country is in, and because as JT said, 50 years ago this wouldn't have been possible. we've come a long way, which makes it a much bigger deal than, say, when george W. got elected. there's nothing wrong with thinking he's overrated, but no one ever said he was a god. if they have, and they weren't just being rhetorical (ie. the way people say things like "john lennon is GOD!" just to express their fondness) then that's just one or two people out of the millions of obama supporters.

Which is why I used the word "some" not "all"

[platinumblondelife]

And for the record, if I understand it right, Obama is not black, he's bi-racial.

True, but a bi-racial person wouldn't have been allowed to do those things either like vote in a large part of the country and etc...because biracial people are considered black.

[Darren J.]

True, but a bi-racial person wouldn't have been allowed to do those things either like vote in a large part of the country and etc...because biracial people are considered black.


It's all part of the "one drop rule". Obama is just as much white as he is black, but many African-Americans see a dark colored gentleman as president and he is automatically labeled African-American. It's kind of funny because many African-Americans don't take kindly to bi-racial people, but Obama is exactly that.

[platinumblondelife]

It's all part of the "one drop rule". Obama is just as much white as he is black, but many African-Americans see a dark colored gentleman as president and he is automatically labeled African-American. It's kind of funny because many African-Americans don't take kindly to bi-racial people, but Obama is exactly that.
Yes, but the truth is most "full" black people are mixed also. I don't know if this is un-PC but I can tell the difference between an African American and an immigrant from Africa, usually.

[JT]

No one is close to God, that would be the point. And for the record, if I understand it right, Obama is not black, he's bi-racial. Which I find funny, because most of my black friends hated bi-racial people until Obama was elected, now they LOVE him. I have no problem with his race at all, never had a problem with anyone's race, I just can't stand his policies and his approach to running the country.
Okay. So it's correct to say that you, LuLu, are as far from God as a person can get?

And, it wasn't the blacks who told multiracial people that they were black and that is that. Lord knows the majority of the white population in the first half of the 20th century didn't accept them with wide open arms.

As for your friends (if they hate people based on their racial background, why are they your friends?), they are surely the minority, and they have their own issues. The vast majority of black people approve of interracial dating, and of course, interracial dating leads to multiracial children. Also, there are many prominent multi-racial people who are of African descent, and they are embraced by the black community for the most part. Halle Berry, Mariah Carey, and Tiger Woods are just three of them.

No one said that you have a problem with his race, right? I don't know if you're trying to say that someone said that, but I just want to get that out of the way right now before it even has the chance to go any further.

[JT]

It's all part of the "one drop rule". Obama is just as much white as he is black, but many African-Americans see a dark colored gentleman as president and he is automatically labeled African-American. It's kind of funny because many African-Americans don't take kindly to bi-racial people, but Obama is exactly that.
So, wait, are you saying that when the average white person looks at President Obama, they automatically view him as a white man? I'm not implying that you said that, just asking if you are.

[Darren J.]

So, wait, are you saying that when the average white person looks at President Obama, they automatically view him as a white man? I'm not implying that you said that, just asking if you are.


Most white people I know, know that he's bi-racial. So they either say he's bi-racial or they simply don't make any racial references. I know he's bi-racial, but I certainly don't refer to him as white, or even black. He's every bit of my race as he is of Michael Jordan's race.

[Hollow]

Yes, but the truth is most "full" black people are mixed also. I don't know if this is un-PC but I can tell the difference between an African American and an immigrant from Africa, usually.
exactly, there's probably no one in the world who has only one heritage. obama couldn't have been president 50 years ago because his black heritage is the most dominant in his appearance.

[James"Thunder"Early]

You must not be too familiar with his policies if you believe that.I'm well informed of his policies and they don't even fit the definition of socialism.

[JT]

Most white people I know, know that he's bi-racial. So they either say he's bi-racial or they simply don't make any racial references. I know he's bi-racial, but I certainly don't refer to him as white, or even black. He's every bit of my race as he is of Michael Jordan's race.
All right, just checking. IMO, it wouldn't be wrong to call him white. But it also wouldn't be wrong to call him black. He's both, and I don't see why it's hard for some people to acknowledge that. He (and others like him) are often put into one category by society and just left there (one-drop rule, for example), or if they're surrounded by people who want to be PC, oftentimes they aren't put into any group at all. IMO, he's both, he's in both categories, and there's nothing that says that a person must be viewed by society as either white, or black, or neither one. He's white. He's black. He's both. Both races should feel free to "claim" him if they want to. Neither side would be wrong.

But of course, your mileage may vary.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Wikipedia's definition of socialism:





Also:





Obama has talked about universal health care(public form of health care) and distributing wealth(form of distribution, though not of actual goods). Our country for years has thrived in a capitalistic environment. Obama's policies may not be exactly like socialism, but they are far closer to socialism than they are to capitalism. Sharing wealth and public health care are not related to capitalism at all.

I'm quite aware of what socialism is. Obama is not changing the capitalist system at all.

And, FYI, the United States has never been a completely capitalist system, it's more of mixed economy and some elements of socialism have long existed, i.e., Medicare, Unemployment, FDIC, corporate regulation. No economy can exist without somewhat of a mix of both systems.

[platinumblondelife]

Most white people I know, know that he's bi-racial. So they either say he's bi-racial or they simply don't make any racial references. I know he's bi-racial, but I certainly don't refer to him as white, or even black. He's every bit of my race as he is of Michael Jordan's race.
yes, but would most know he were biracial unless he told us? or would everyone just assume he's a light skinned black person, like many do and have done of many biracial people? wasn't rosa parks mixed? i'm not sure, but if she were, it certainly didn't change the fact that she was still asked to give up her seat for a white person. it's because in america, mixed is black. i don't think its really changed that drastically for biracial people, unless they look 100% white; and that's a whole new list of experiences and stigmas.

Tyra's talk show talked all about this the other day, lol. Could Obama have won if he looked like Wesley Snipes? I think that's an interesting question, lol.

[LuLu Rogers]

yes, but would most know he were biracial unless he told us? or would everyone just assume he's a light skinned black person, like many do and have done of many biracial people? wasn't rosa parks mixed? i'm not sure, but if she were, it certainly didn't change the fact that she was still asked to give up her seat for a white person. it's because in america, mixed is black. i don't think its really changed that drastically for biracial people, unless they look 100% white; and that's a whole new list of experiences and stigmas.

Tyra's talk show talked all about this the other day, lol. Could Obama have won if he looked like Wesley Snipes? I think that's an interesting question, lol.


I think you can easily tell that he's bi-racial, just like you can with Tiger Woods or Mariah Carey, it's not hard to spot to me. I just don't get all of this "black" stuff because he's only half black.


And to JT, tell me, do you really think bi-racial children are accepted by black people as a whole or even white people as a whole for that matter? There are some black people who have an issue with people who are half white, half black, yet they have no issue with Obama. It just feels like a double standard to me.

[JT]

I think you can easily tell that he's bi-racial, just like you can with Tiger Woods or Mariah Carey, it's not hard to spot to me. I just don't get all of this "black" stuff because he's only half black.


And to JT, tell me, do you really think bi-racial children are accepted by black people as a whole or even white people as a whole for that matter? There are some black people who have an issue with people who are half white, half black, yet they have no issue with Obama. It just feels like a double standard to me.
I can't speak for all black people or all white people because I don't know them all. I do know that the multiracial children in my extended family are looked at no differently than the rest of the kids. We're not blind or stupid, we do acknowledge that some of them do have more white features than black features, but it doesn't change our relationships with those kids or their parents.

I can't find any studies done that shows either way how "black" people or "white" people view multiracial folks. The closest that I can find are the numbers for how many people accept interracial relationships, and it says that 97% of black people and 81% of white people approve.

I'm curious about something. How is it easy for you to see that Obama is white?

[LuLu Rogers]

I can't speak for all black people or all white people because I don't know them all. I do know that the multiracial children in my extended family are looked at no differently than the rest of the kids. We're not blind or stupid, we do acknowledge that some of them do have more white features than black features, but it doesn't change our relationships with those kids or their parents.

I can't find any studies done that shows either way how "black" people or "white" people view multiracial folks. The closest that I can find are the numbers for how many people accept interracial relationships, and it says that 97% of black people and 81% of white people approve.

I'm curious about something. How is it easy for you to see that Obama is white?

Some of his features indicate to me that he isn't full black. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've dated black guys, no problem with that, it's just that where I'm from neither whites nor blacks will claim a bi-racial child, I'm not saying that happens everywhere by any means, it's just common place here where I grew up.

[Lee]

I am done, if those trivial things bother you, then so be it. Other things worry me. President Obama going to a Basketball game and going on the Tonight Show is the least of my worries. This is trivial nonsense. There are bigger and more important things to worry about.

Solomon just likes to find things to complain about. That's just how he is.

[JT]

Some of his features indicate to me that he isn't full black. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've dated black guys, no problem with that, it's just that where I'm from neither whites nor blacks will claim a bi-racial child, I'm not saying that happens everywhere by any means, it's just common place here where I grew up.
What features?

I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, I'm just real curious.

[Brieannas21]

Solomon just likes to find things to complain about. That's just how he is.


LOL, yeah that is his MO

[TVFactFan]

LOL, yeah that is his MO


yeah i guess i'm easily annoyed-lol

[Brieannas21]

What features?

I'm not trying to be a bitch or anything, I'm just real curious.

I am biracial, and I look it. However, if I did not know that Obama was biracial, I would have just assumed that he was just a black man, with a black mother and black father. Black people do come in all shades and colors.

[Brieannas21]

yeah i guess i'm easily annoyed-lol


You just like to find things to complain about.

[TVFactFan]

You just like to find things to complain about.


WHY IS IT THAT......



lol

[Yooch]

Thank you Breannas21, platinumblondelife, JT and a few others: Your voices of reason on this thread I find both welcome and refreshing.

Yes, the name calling: "Socialist", "Messiah", "Celebrity" etc, etc., is not convincing to me at all; in fact it is just an attempt to label, and provide no substance.

Yes, Obama wants fairness, yes many people are enthusiastic (and as has been mentioned) were enthusiastic for Ronald Reagan, and--if you're President, you're in the limelight, like it or not. Neither of these makes Obama a socialist, messiah or celebrity--all of which are used by the extreme, idealogical 'right' to denigrate Democrats.

It's not a crime for a President to seek fairness, and want to help people who are struggling (imo, what kind of President would he if he didn't)? It's not a crime for people to be supporting you and be enthusiastic about you if they think you can deliver on your vision and message and hopes for the country. And lastly, it's not a crime for a President to be a regular human being and have a sense of humor.

[Janice]

Thank you LuLu, Darren J, Faith, Tweety, Fleet, Dr. John Becker, Bandito, Brian, Solomon, Sonny and MickeyMac. I agree with you all a million, billion trillion X a zillion %. Barry had better get a portable teleprompter, BlackBerry style. Turns out he can't be left on his own without one. Turn him loose on The Tonight Show, and he slams the Special Olympics. No big deal though. Nothing to see, just move along. Also, I was around when Reagan was President, and it was NOTHING like the adoration that's being heaped on this celeb prez. Reagan's legacy grew after he left office.

[platinumblondelife]

Thank you Breannas21, platinumblondelife, JT and a few others: Your voices of reason on this thread I find both welcome and refreshing.

Thank you. I try to stay as rational on here as possible, it just gets so very crazy, as you can see.... some things just make you shake your head. lol

[Dr. John Becker]

Thank you LuLu, Darren J, Faith, Tweety, Fleet, Dr. John Becker, Bandito, Brian, Solomon, Sonny and MickeyMac. I agree with you all a million, billion trillion X a zillion %. Barry had better get a portable teleprompter, BlackBerry style. Turns out he can't be left on his own without one. Turn him loose on The Tonight Show, and he slams the Special Olympics. No big deal though. Nothing to see, just move along. Also, I was around when Reagan was President, and it was NOTHING like the adoration that's being heaped on this celeb prez. Reagan's legacy grew after he left office.


No problem. ;)

[JT]

Thank you Breannas21, platinumblondelife, JT and a few others: Your voices of reason on this thread I find both welcome and refreshing.

Thank you, too! Sometimes it's hard to rise above the spiteful immaturity that's frequently on display here, but once you've done it, you are glad that you have. There's nothing wrong with speaking your mind and being heard, but sometimes just taking the high road says a lot more. They hate the fact that you're "bold" enough to say what you think, but they hate it even more when you don't waste your time responding to what they have to say.

[littlebelle]

It was a HUGE distraction, so it had everything to do with running the country.


Distraction?? it would not have been a distraction if PERSONAL things were kept private. I am NOT however, condoning the scandal. I believe that he was a fantastic president, not a fantastic husband, lover ect. I hate when people try and use the scandal thing as a an excuse as to why he wasn't a good PRESIDENT. Anyway, I'm not going to laps into another Clinton argument, so the end.

[platinumblondelife]

Bill Clinton ranked 15?? Where did you get that info from?
http://www.c-span.org/PresidentialSurvey/presidential-leadership-survey.aspx

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/presidents-cspa.html

[Big C]

I thought Clinton was a good president; kept us out of war with other countries and didn't stick his nose in international situations.

[Hollow]

I thought Clinton was a good president; kept us out of war with other countries and didn't stick his nose in international situations.
i don't know a lot about his presidency, but i agree with that part.

[Waterston_Fan]

I thought Clinton was a good president; kept us out of war with other countries and didn't stick his nose in international situations.

I agree with that.

[Tweety]

I thought Clinton was a good president; kept us out of war with other countries and didn't stick his nose in international situations.


Actually, we were at war. Starting with the first WTC bombing in 1993, continuing with the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996, the Embassy bombings in 1998 and the attack on the U.S.S. Cole in 2000... the only difference was, only one side was fighting. Clinton simply allowed the U.S. to take the hits. We didn't start fighting back until after Clinton was gone. But make no mistake. War had been declared.

[Brieannas21]

Thank you Breannas21, platinumblondelife, JT and a few others: Your voices of reason on this thread I find both welcome and refreshing.

Yes, the name calling: "Socialist", "Messiah", "Celebrity" etc, etc., is not convincing to me at all; in fact it is just an attempt to label, and provide no substance.

Yes, Obama wants fairness, yes many people are enthusiastic (and as has been mentioned) were enthusiastic for Ronald Reagan, and--if you're President, you're in the limelight, like it or not. Neither of these makes Obama a socialist, messiah or celebrity--all of which are used by the extreme, idealogical 'right' to denigrate Democrats.

It's not a crime for a President to seek fairness, and want to help people who are struggling (imo, what kind of President would he if he didn't)? It's not a crime for people to be supporting you and be enthusiastic about you if they think you can deliver on your vision and message and hopes for the country. And lastly, it's not a crime for a President to be a regular human being and have a sense of humor.



Thank You :) , it is hard sometimes trying to reason with people.

[Brieannas21]

Distraction?? it would not have been a distraction if PERSONAL things were kept private. I am NOT however, condoning the scandal. I believe that he was a fantastic president, not a fantastic husband, lover ect. I hate when people try and use the scandal thing as a an excuse as to why he wasn't a good PRESIDENT. Anyway, I'm not going to laps into another Clinton argument, so the end.


Getting sexual favors while on the job is not personal. Also, if you look and read, I never said that he was not a good president.

[Faith]

Thank you LuLu, Darren J, Faith, Tweety, Fleet, Dr. John Becker, Bandito, Brian, Solomon, Sonny and MickeyMac. I agree with you all a million, billion trillion X a zillion %. Barry had better get a portable teleprompter, BlackBerry style. Turns out he can't be left on his own without one. Turn him loose on The Tonight Show, and he slams the Special Olympics. No big deal though. Nothing to see, just move along. Also, I was around when Reagan was President, and it was NOTHING like the adoration that's being heaped on this celeb prez. Reagan's legacy grew after he left office.


Anytime Janice. :)

[Brian Damage]

Thank you, too! Sometimes it's hard to rise above the spiteful immaturity that's frequently on display here, but once you've done it, you are glad that you have. There's nothing wrong with speaking your mind and being heard, but sometimes just taking the high road says a lot more. They hate the fact that you're "bold" enough to say what you think, but they hate it even more when you don't waste your time responding to what they have to say.

That's for sure. The naggers and nitpickers are the worst. The ones who whine about old threads. The kind that can't let anything go. The hyper sensitive drama queens with their over the top hyperbole are hard to take. It really is hard to rise above it, but I do my best.

[JT]

That's for sure. The naggers and nitpickers are the worst. The ones who whine about old threads. The kind that can't let anything go. The hyper sensitive drama queens with their over the top hyperbole are hard to take. It really is hard to rise above it, but I do my best.

I disagree. IMO, the ones who are the worst are those who try to stir a pot that isn't really boiling, only to leave said pot on the stove in order to get out of the kitchen, where there is heat that they can't stand.

[LuLu Rogers]

What features?


You tell me. You stated a few posts back that, "We're not blind or stupid, we do acknowledge that some of them do have more white features than black features". What features are you referring to?

[LuLu Rogers]

That's for sure. The naggers and nitpickers are the worst. The ones who whine about old threads. The kind that can't let anything go. The hyper sensitive drama queens with their over the top hyperbole are hard to take. It really is hard to rise above it, but I do my best.

Brian, in case I haven't told you lately, I freakin LOVE you! :smooch: ;)

[JT]

You tell me. You stated a few posts back that, "We're not blind or stupid, we do acknowledge that some of them do have more white features than black features". What features are you referring to?
Well, I wasn't referring to Obama there, I was speaking in general (hence the "some"). But since you asked what features I was referring to, it's things like skin tone, hair, bone structure, facial features, voices, etc. In the past, many people of black and white parentage who were considered black by society could easily "pass" for white. Even now, there are many biracial celebrities who look more white than black. Jennifer Beals, Nicole Ritchie, and Mariah Carey are just a few who do. Actually, when Mariah first hit it big around 1990/1991ish, some people claimed that she was "just another white girl trying to sing black."

[LuLu Rogers]

Well, I wasn't referring to Obama there, I was speaking in general (hence the "some"). But since you asked what features I was referring to, it's things like skin tone, hair, bone structure, facial features, voices, etc. In the past, many people of black and white parentage who were considered black by society could easily "pass" for white. Even now, there are many biracial celebrities who look more white than black. Jennifer Beals, Nicole Ritchie, and Mariah Carey are just a few who do. Actually, when Mariah first hit it big around 1990/1991ish, some people claimed that she was "just another white girl trying to sing black."

I never would've thought people considered Mariah Carey as being white, I see more black than white in her.

[TVFactFan]

I never would've thought people considered Mariah Carey as being white, I see more black than white in her.


I always thought she was Puerto Rican, LOL

[JT]

I never would've thought people considered Mariah Carey as being white, I see more black than white in her.
I never would have thought so either, but you'd be surprised. Some of my friends are still surprised when someone says that Mariah is of mixed race. Mariah looked whiter before she became famous, but IMO, if you look at younger pictures of her, she's one person that I think looked biracial. She doesn't really pull one way or the other to me, but many people viewed her as white when she was younger, and now many people view her as black. For whatever reason.

[LuLu Rogers]

I always thought she was Puerto Rican, LOL

I agree, when I first saw her I thought half black, half hispanic

[TVFactFan]

I agree, when I first saw her I thought half black, half hispanic


Yeah I never saw white in her. By the way, I love her music, the song she had back in 2005-"shake it off" was the SHIZNIT-LOL

[LuLu Rogers]

Thank you LuLu, Darren J, Faith, Tweety, Fleet, Dr. John Becker, Bandito, Brian, Solomon, Sonny and MickeyMac. I agree with you all a million, billion trillion X a zillion %. Barry had better get a portable teleprompter, BlackBerry style. Turns out he can't be left on his own without one. Turn him loose on The Tonight Show, and he slams the Special Olympics. No big deal though. Nothing to see, just move along. Also, I was around when Reagan was President, and it was NOTHING like the adoration that's being heaped on this celeb prez. Reagan's legacy grew after he left office.

De Nada ;)

[LuLu Rogers]

Yeah I never saw white in her. By the way, I love her music, the song she had back in 2005-"shake it off" was the SHIZNIT-LOL


"Touch My Body" has a nice ring to it ;)

[TVFactFan]

"Touch My Body" has a nice ring to it ;)


What was the song from 1996-"you will be my baby"


Is that is?

[platinumblondelife]

What was the song from 1996-"you will be my baby"


Is that is?
You mean Always Be My Baby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QapwJpAe7w

Mariah Carey is probably one of my top 3 favorite singers. I've loved her since I was very little. Her album E=MC2 wasn't very good though.

My favorite albums were Daydream and Butterfly.

[platinumblondelife]

Since we're speaking on race and biracial vs black, I was looking at youtube and randomly came across a clip that as so shocking I just had to post this cartoon. Do you notice how they make the mixed person all attractive and they are trying to draw the black people to look like lazy monkeys!? omg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Qa7wGWkB4

[LuLu Rogers]

What was the song from 1996-"you will be my baby"


Is that is?

No, "Touch My Body" is from last year I believe

[TVFactFan]

You mean Always Be My Baby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QapwJpAe7w



Thanks, you juat took me back, that was my song back in the spring of 1996

[platinumblondelife]

Thanks, you juat took me back, that was my song back in the spring of 1996
I love that song, it's just a classic. It came out when I was 8 and I loved it. Most of her 90's songs are classic. Her newest songs are a bit more "let me put out a song with a rapper and a radio-friendly beat," even though the Emancipation of Mimi was good. I still love her, but she cannot sing as well live either as she once could.

Her husband actually got in a fight with a blogger over whether Mariah can still sing or not lol.

Anyone remember this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ6jw_-5UfY&NR=1

One of my favorites of hers.

[Brian Damage]

I disagree. IMO, the ones who are the worst are those who try to stir a pot that isn't really boiling, only to leave said pot on the stove in order to get out of the kitchen, where there is heat that they can't stand.


Maybe we can call in a CIA Analyst to decipher this mumbo jumbo. :crazy:

[LuLu Rogers]

Maybe we can call in a CIA Analyst to decipher this mumbo jumbo. :crazy:

:lol:

[Brian Damage]

Thank you LuLu, Darren J, Faith, Tweety, Fleet, Dr. John Becker, Bandito, Brian, Solomon, Sonny and MickeyMac. I agree with you all a million, billion trillion X a zillion %. Barry had better get a portable teleprompter, BlackBerry style. Turns out he can't be left on his own without one. Turn him loose on The Tonight Show, and he slams the Special Olympics. No big deal though. Nothing to see, just move along. Also, I was around when Reagan was President, and it was NOTHING like the adoration that's being heaped on this celeb prez. Reagan's legacy grew after he left office.


You are more than welcome Janice. As you know, this place is crazy and makes you wonder what "some" people are thinking. I mean Heaven forbid, President Jesus Christ is criticized. We are either labeled racists or "misinformed."

[Hollow]

well until i read this thread, i thought mariah carey was white.

[platinumblondelife]

You are more than welcome Janice. As you know, this place is crazy and makes you wonder what "some" people are thinking. I mean Heaven forbid, President Jesus Christ is criticized. We are either labeled racists or "misinformed."
Why do you keep bringing up non-existing accusations of racism toward you on here?

[JT]

Maybe we can call in a CIA Analyst to decipher this mumbo jumbo. :crazy:
I can actually think of one word that would easily simplify it all for you, but I won't go there :p

No, really, it's simple English. If you're familiar with the way we form sentences in English, using clauses and such, it shouldn't be hard for you to understand.

[Stuck In The '70's]

Thank you LuLu, Darren J, Faith, Tweety, Fleet, Dr. John Becker, Bandito, Brian, Solomon, Sonny and MickeyMac. I agree with you all a million, billion trillion X a zillion %. Barry had better get a portable teleprompter, BlackBerry style. Turns out he can't be left on his own without one. Turn him loose on The Tonight Show, and he slams the Special Olympics. No big deal though. Nothing to see, just move along. Also, I was around when Reagan was President, and it was NOTHING like the adoration that's being heaped on this celeb prez. Reagan's legacy grew after he left office.
You're welcome Janice. :) You are so right about Ronald Reagan. The Republicans didn't even know what they had until after he became President. I remember watching the 1980 Republican convention and hearing President Ford's name mentioned as a vice-presidential running mate. They weren't at all confidant that they would win. The media hated Reagan. Leading up to that election, most polls had it dead even. Then surprise...by 8:30 EST Jimmy Carter was already conceeding. The Democrats were mad at that. lol Reagan was popular because he was just being himself. He wasn't pretending to be anyone else. He didn't care about poll numbers. Obama is just trying too hard to be liked. That's why he's on TV so much. If he does a good job then that will take care of itself. I also noticed nobody responded to my Iraq post. If we aren't out of Iraq soon, are the Democrats going to call him a war monger like they did Bush?That's why I don't like posting over here that much. It's like banging your head against the wall. Nothing will ever change. I'm sure if we're still in Iraq in 4 years or if the Economy is still bad, they will still say it was Bush's fault. lol

[JamesG]

All Hail President Barack O' Christ.

[JT]

All Hail President Barack O' Christ.
In the words of Sister Patterson...

PRAISE HIM!!!!!!!!!! PRAISE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hollow]

All Hail President Barack O' Christ.
props:

[Brieannas21]

In the words of Sister Patterson...

PRAISE HIM!!!!!!!!!! PRAISE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AMEN!!! HALLELUJAH!!!

[platinumblondelife]

All Hail President Barack O' Christ.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i319/Kingcarcas/1191620037253.gif

[dawsongirl]

I can't take him seriously as President anymore after Last Night
I haven't taken any of the last few presidents seriously.

[Dr. John Becker]

Obama's teleprompter has a new blog!

http://baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com/

:)

[JT]

LuLu, you still haven't told me about the features of Obama that shows that he is half-white. I was wondering...

[LuLu Rogers]

LuLu, you still haven't told me about the features of Obama that shows that he is half-white. I was wondering...

I shouldn't have to tell you that, you can see for yourself. ;)

[JT]

I shouldn't have to tell you that, you can see for yourself. ;)
Uh....I don't get it. I don't think that Obama has many white features, so no, I really can't see it for myself. Based on the examples I gave upthread...his skin is light, but not extremely...he definitely has black people's kinky hair...his bone structure is closer to a person with two black parents than to a person with two white parents...same for his general facial features and voice.

I don't see how one could look at him and pick up that he's half-white, so I'm just wondering how you could see that and what were the signs for you.

[Brieannas21]

Being that I am biracial and if you were to look at me you could tell that I am. When I look at Obama, I really do not see biracial. To me he looks like a man who comes from two black parents. Black people do come in all shades and hues. So to say, that he has white features, I truly do not see it.

[Hollow]

^ agreed, i used to think he was fully black.

[platinumblondelife]

Some people, it's obvious to tell if they are biracial or not. But not all biracial people look the same. Halle Berry when she first came out, I think most would have assumed she was a black woman.
http://www.vivbeauty.com/English/plastic/image/halle_berry_1997_pt2.jpg

http://www.gossiprocks.com/upload/public/3190/1707408vanzant123200643416AM.jpg?no_history

http://www.gossiprocks.com/upload/public/3191/1707457vanzant123200643446AM.jpg?no_history

She looks somewhat different from when she first came out. I don't know how that happened, lol, but I don't think she looked biracial necessarily in her early career.

Similarly, Samantha Mumba is half black/half white and I wouldn't automatically assume she is mixed.

http://www.allfreecelebritywallpapers.com/images/samantha-mumba/samantha-mumba-1-1.jpg

Then there are people like Nicole Ritchie who I had no idea she was mixed when I first saw her.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/06/01-07/nicole%20ritchie-joel%20madden-harlow-lionel%20ritchie.jpg

Pete Wentz of Fall Out Boy is also half black/half white.
http://thespotlightreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/fall_out_boy-pete_wentz-2006.jpg

also...Wentworth Miller <3
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/hot-list-wentworth-miller-4.jpg


In my opinion, mixed people are usually very good looking. Of course it depends, especially for guys more so than girls, but to be honest, I've seen the fuggliest white/black couple have the most adorable children, lol.

[joanbrent]

Obama was the first sitting president to ever show up on a late night talk show the other day. Not only is he being treated as a celebrity, he is acting like one. According to an opinion research (http://minekey.com/) study - within Obama's first one hundred days he has easily been on the show 10x the amount of all the other presidents added together.

[JT]

Some people, it's obvious to tell if they are biracial or not. But not all biracial people look the same. Halle Berry when she first came out, I think most would have assumed she was a black woman.

She looks somewhat different from when she first came out. I don't know how that happened, lol, but I don't think she looked biracial necessarily in her early career.

Similarly, Samantha Mumba is half black/half white and I wouldn't automatically assume she is mixed.

Then there are people like Nicole Ritchie who I had no idea she was mixed when I first saw her.

Pete Wentz of Fall Out Boy is also half black/half white.

also...Wentworth Miller <3
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/hot-list-wentworth-miller-4.jpg

In my opinion, mixed people are usually very good looking. Of course it depends, especially for guys more so than girls, but to be honest, I've seen the fuggliest white/black couple have the most adorable children, lol.

Wentworth is too delicious. I read an article about him and he has like a thousand different ethnicities behind him. Jamaican, African, German, Irish, Syrian, Russian, Lebanese...several others too. It's obviously a winning combination!

But you compare those people in those pictures to a picture of a teenaged President Obama. I really don't see how one immediately tell that he's of black and white parentage.

[JT]

Obama was the first sitting president to ever show up on a late night talk show the other day. Not only is he being treated as a celebrity, he is acting like one. According to an opinion research (http://minekey.com/) study - within Obama's first one hundred days he has easily been on the show 10x the amount of all the other presidents added together.
He's a young president, the first black president, and he became president in the midst of a polarizing time in our country's history. Of course he's going to be "on the show."

LuLu, you still haven't told me about how you could see that Obama is half-white just by looking at him.

[bandito]

He's a young president, the first black president, and he became president in the midst of a polarizing time in our country's history. Of course he's going to be "on the show."

LuLu, you still haven't told me about how you could see that Obama is half-white just by looking at him.You mean the first bi-racial prez. As for LuLu, it's obvious she doesn't care to answer your stupid question... Why beat a dead horse?

[JT]

You mean the first bi-racial prez. As for LuLu, it's obvious she doesn't care to answer your stupid question... Why beat a dead horse?
No, I meant the first black president. Just because he's white doesn't mean he's not black, and vice versa.

And as for LuLu, why would it be a problem for her to answer my question? And why is my question stupid? She said that some of Obama's features indicate to her that he isn't fully black, and I asked her what features. I've answered all of her questions, so why can't she answer just one of mine?

[bandito]

No, I meant the first black president. Just because he's white doesn't mean he's not black, and vice versa.

And as for LuLu, why would it be a problem for her to answer my question? She said that some of Obama's features indicate to her that he isn't fully black and I asked her what features. I've answered all of her questions, so why can't she answer just one of mine?Black, because that makes you feel better, but in the end, BI-RACIAL.

[JT]

Black, because that makes you feel better, but in the end, BI-RACIAL.
Did I deny that he is biracial? He is black because his father was black. He is white because his mother was white. He is black. He is white. He is black and white. Biracial means "consisting of...two separate races," so there really is no point in arguing over whether he is both black and white or biracial. They mean the same thing.

[Janice]

Black, because that makes you feel better, but in the end, BI-RACIAL.
That's right. Obama's mother was as white as I am. The term for having a white parent and a black parent is bi-racial.

[platinumblondelife]

He calls himself African American like many half black/half white people. At the end of the day, when the average person looks at him he will seen as black, not white.

Studies show race is more of a social-construct than something biological:

The notion of race in humans is completely a social concept without any biological basis, according to a biologist at Washington University in St. Louis.

In the 50th year since the discovery of DNA, Washington University evolutionary and population biologist Alan Templeton says that there are not enough genetic differences between groups of people to say that there are sub-lineages (races) of humans.

There are not enough genetic differences between groups of people to say that there are sub-lineages (races) of humans, said Alan R. Templeton, Ph.D., professor of biology in Arts & Sciences at Washington University in St. Louis. On the other hand, there are different races in many other species, including chimpanzees, our closest evolutionary relatives.

Race Not Biological ---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1487919840015586884

[TVFactFan]

He calls himself African American like many half black/half white people. At the end of the day, when the average person looks at him he will seen as black, not white.

Studies show race is more of a social-construct than something biological:



Race Not Biological ---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1487919840015586884



If he was a regular person in a grocery store I wouldn't think he was Bi-racial, i would think Black.

[Janice]

My husband is Sicilian Italian, while his ex-wife is 100% Irish. His daughter looks exactly like her mother, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. Still, she's half Irish and half Italian, regardless of what she looks like. There's no spinning it. Same with Obama, he's bi-racial. That's the term, regardless of what he looks like or what race he identifies with more.

[bandito]

My husband is Sicilian Italian, while his ex-wife is 100% Irish. His daughter looks exactly like her mother, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. Still, she's half Irish and half Italian, regardless of what she looks like. There's no spinning it. Same with Obama, he's bi-racial. That's the term, regardless of what he looks like or what race he identifies with more.

Thank You!

[TVFactFan]

My husband is Sicilian Italian, while his ex-wife is 100% Irish. His daughter looks exactly like her mother, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. Still, she's half Irish and half Italian, regardless of what she looks like. There's no spinning it. Same with Obama, he's bi-racial. That's the term, regardless of what he looks like or what race he identifies with more.




I know, that's why it would be hard for me to believe he is Bi-racial if he was someone I went to school with. Now I can tell instantly with Tiger Woods but not with Obama. That's why so many black people in the hood were dancing in the street the night he got elected because he looks all black-LOL

[JT]

My husband is Sicilian Italian, while his ex-wife is 100% Irish. His daughter looks exactly like her mother, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. Still, she's half Irish and half Italian, regardless of what she looks like. There's no spinning it. Same with Obama, he's bi-racial. That's the term, regardless of what he looks like or what race he identifies with more.


...is anyone trying to say anything to the contrary?

[Hollow]

If he was a regular person in a grocery store I wouldn't think he was Bi-racial, i would think Black.
yeah, same. if i recall correctly, this race discussion started over how obama couldn't have been president 50 years ago because of his race. i think the bottom line is that he couldn't have been because his black ancestry is the most dominant in his appearance, regardless of what else is in there.

[JT]

yeah, same. if i recall correctly, this race discussion started over how obama couldn't have been president 50 years ago because of his race. i think the bottom line is that he couldn't have been because his black ancestry is the most dominant in his appearance, regardless of what else is in there.
pretty much. Yes, he is bi-racial, and yes, that's how he should be seen, and I hope that most of the country feels the same way. But if this was 1957, no, I'm pretty positive that the overwhelming majority wouldn't feel the same way. That's why it is a milestone and a historical event. I like it when people say that "a person who looks like me is the President" because that's really what it's all about. It's a happiness that exists because millions of black people never thought that they'd ever see a person who looks like them, who went through similar struggles as them, who endured similar hardships become the president of the United States. Absolutely zero percent of the first 43 could say that, and that's why Obama was one of the most visible candidates ever and that's why he's one of the most visible presidents ever.

[Stuck In The '70's]

My husband is Sicilian Italian, while his ex-wife is 100% Irish. His daughter looks exactly like her mother, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. Still, she's half Irish and half Italian, regardless of what she looks like. There's no spinning it. Same with Obama, he's bi-racial. That's the term, regardless of what he looks like or what race he identifies with more.


I totally agree with you. He's as much white as he is black.

I don't understand how this thread got turned into a race thread? I don't care what color he is anyway. He's still acting more like a celebrity than a president.

[JT]

I totally agree with you. He's as much white as he is black.

I don't understand how this thread got turned into a race thread? I don't care what color he is anyway. He's still acting more like a celebrity than a president.
It turned into a "race thread" because LuLu Rogers said that she doesn't get why people are so excited about Obama being the President. For better or for worse, his race plays a large part in that.

[LuLu Rogers]

No, I meant the first black president. Just because he's white doesn't mean he's not black, and vice versa.

And as for LuLu, why would it be a problem for her to answer my question? And why is my question stupid? She said that some of Obama's features indicate to her that he isn't fully black, and I asked her what features. I've answered all of her questions, so why can't she answer just one of mine?

You're not LuLu, so you don't speak for LuLu ;) If you can't see it, why should I have to paint a picture for you? I'm not falling into that trap, sorry.

[LuLu Rogers]

It turned into a "race thread" because LuLu Rogers said that she doesn't get why people are so excited about Obama being the President. For better or for worse, his race plays a large part in that.

:rolleyes:

[JT]

You're not LuLu, so you don't speak for LuLu ;) If you can't see it, why should I have to paint a picture for you? I'm not falling into that trap, sorry.
I wasn't the one speaking for you, that would be bandito.

If you have a plausible explanation for why you knew from first glance that Obama has white in him, why would you be falling in a trap? You'd give your reasons, and I'd try to see things from your perspective. I don't get why you're being so defensive.

[Janice]

I totally agree with you. He's as much white as he is black.
Which is why he's the first bi-racial President. Maybe one day, there will a President who is 100% black, but that's not what Obama is, not with a white mother.

[JT]

:rolleyes:
And this merits an eyeroll because..?

[LuLu Rogers]

I wasn't the one speaking for you, that would be bandito.

If you have a plausible explanation for why you knew from first glance that Obama has white in him, why would you be falling in a trap? You'd give your reasons, and I'd try to see things from your perspective. I don't get why you're being so defensive.

I've seen you rip people to shreads for having a different political view than you do, that's why.

[JT]

Blaming the whole thread discussion on me, nice job
Wha...?????

I'm not "blaming" this thread on anyone or anything. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to "blame" anyone for in the first place. Clint Eastwood Fan asked how this became a "race thread," and so I told him how this became a "race thread." Is there a different story from the one I told him?

[JT]

I've seen you rip people to shreads for having a different political view than you do, that's why.
Do you have threads to back that up with?

[LuLu Rogers]

Do you have threads to back that up with?

It would take up about a 1000 page thread if I posted them all. I know you tend to think I'm stupid and have no idea what I'm talking about, but trust me, I'm no idiot, I know what's up.

[JT]

It would take up about a 1000 page thread if I posted them all. I know you tend to think I'm stupid and have no idea what I'm talking about, but trust me, I'm no idiot, I know what's up.
Show me one thread where I ripped someone to shreds for having a different political opinion from me.

If I was that person, I'd chime in on every single thread that praises Bush and bashes Obama, I'd have something to say to everyone who thinks Ann Coulter is smart and who hates liberals. I don't do that. I speak my opinion and I never, in all of my years of posting here, ever have belittled someone for disagreeing with me. If I think that their opinion is baseless and invalid (like people who tell me that I choose to be attracted to men), that's different from knowledgeable people that their beliefs are wrong.

And as far as me thinking you're an idiot. Well. I'm not even gonna go there.

[LuLu Rogers]

Show me one thread where I ripped someone to shreds for having a different political opinion from me.

If I was that person, I'd chime in on every single thread that praises Bush and bashes Obama, I'd have something to say to everyone who thinks Ann Coulter is smart and who hates liberals. I don't do that. I speak my opinion and I never, in all of my years of posting here, ever have belittled someone for disagreeing with me. If I think that their opinion is baseless and invalid (like people who tell me that I choose to be attracted to men), that's different from knowledgeable people that their beliefs are wrong.

And as far as me thinking you're an idiot. Well. I'm not even gonna go there.


I'd say this is a damn good example, post #63 on this thread:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=239825&page=5&highlight=rush

[JT]

I could say something myself, but I won't.

I'm really sick of this. Conservatives give their opinion on this board, the liberals give them hell and make them feel like idiots, and the cycle repeats itself. You enjoy your president, but when he ****s up the entire country, I'll be proud to say, don't blame me, I voted for McCain ;)

I'm done here, good luck with your gang ups.
Again, when I ask you to back up something you've said, you play victim and walk away instead of backing up what you've said. If you think I've ripped people to shreds for disagreeing with me on political issues, show me! Show me where it's happened! I want to see! Don't make claims like that if you aren't prepared to back them up, especially when it involves me because I will ask you.

Why are you bringing up conservative/liberal arguments here? This started because you said that Barack Obama looks white to you, and I asked you what makes him look white to you. Why you got all defensive and evaded the question, I have no idea. Why this ended up with another "liberals are mean to conservatives" speech, I have no idea, but since you want to take it there, let's go there. Everyone here is free to post their opinions, but everyone is also free to challenge the opinions of others. Some people are passionate and are able to defend their opinions until the end of time. Other people aren't as passionate and throw in the towel, and that's not a bad thing. IMO, it's all about how you throw in the towel. "I'm sorry, I never looked at it that way" or "I was wrong" are respectable. "Leave me alone!!!!! Stop picking on me!!!!! You're a bully!!!!" is not.

[JT]

I'd say this is a damn good example, post #63 on this thread:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=239825&page=5&highlight=rush
LMFAO.

Yes, you got me there! Please forgive me for not respecting Tweety's claim to have talked to every Democrat and Republican in the world. Never mind the fact that what I said in post #63 had absolutely nothing to do with his opinion and everything to do with his knack for exaggerating.

[Brieannas21]

If he was a regular person in a grocery store I wouldn't think he was Bi-racial, i would think Black.

Neither would I, if I had not known that he was biracial, I would have thought that he was just an ordinary black man.

What is the point of even arguing about this? If Obama sees himself as a black man then so be it. It has been said time and time again, that if you have a drop of African American in you, then you are classified as African American. I HIGHLY doubt that President Obama denies his mother, grandmother, or his sister.

[LuLu Rogers]

LMFAO.

Yes, you got me there! Please forgive me for not respecting Tweety's claim to have talked to every Democrat and Republican in the world. Never mind the fact that what I said in post #63 had absolutely nothing to do with his opinion and everything to do with his knack for exaggerating.


If you can't see that calling someone worse than a toilet is wrong, then the debate ends here. You just don't get it, and I'm not going to try to convince someone why that's wrong. There's no excuse for that, unless someone is calling you names, and Tweety was not doing that.

[JT]

If you can't see that calling someone worse than a toilet is wrong, then the debate ends here. You just don't get it, and I'm not going to try to convince someone why that's wrong. There's no excuse for that, unless someone is calling you names, and Tweety was not doing that.
I guess you can say that calling him worse than a toilet was wrong, but considering the history of arguments that Tweety and I have, that was definitely not out of the ordinary, so take from that what you will.

Still, that had nothing to do with my or Tweety's opinions, it had more to do with what I think is his unabashed obnoxiousness, but that's another story for another day.

[Jenya]

Another update:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama_special_olympics


A Special Olympics bowler has challenged Obama to a match... this guy has bowled 5 perfect games (so far).

I'll bet that Obama will accept and bowl against this guy. That would be an excellent goodwill gesture.

An excellent gesture would be focusing on the economy. :)

[jasonbigley]

I really do think they are acting more like celebrities than politico leaders. Look at how many times the Obamas have appeared on the cover of PEOPLE Magazine and other magazines since they moved to Washington. They are also making Michelle look like a new super model. If they are on the cover of PEOPLE again anytime soon, I will toss my cookies.

[Tweety]

While out in California recently, Obama desperately wanted to have dinner with Simon Cowell ... Cowell turned down the invitation, apparently due to scheduling conflicts.

If that doesn't say "celebrity" all over it, then nothing does.

"He (Obama) wanted to have dinner and our diaries didn't quite match." - Simon Cowell

[TVFactFan]

I really do think they are acting more like celebrities than politico leaders. Look at how many times the Obamas have appeared on the cover of PEOPLE Magazine and other magazines since they moved to Washington. They are also making Michelle look like a new super model. If they are on the cover of PEOPLE again anytime soon, I will toss my cookies.


I was half sleep this morning and heard that Obama was acepting questions Online, i just went back to sleep

LOL

[Brieannas21]

I was half sleep this morning and heard that Obama was acepting questions Online, i just went back to sleep

LOL


That is because he as answering questions about the economy and whatnot that people sent in.

[TVFactFan]

That is because he as answering questions about the economy and whatnot that people sent in.



You mean he can pick and choose what questions won't make him do the moonwalk-LOL

[Brieannas21]

You mean he can pick and choose what questions won't make him do the moonwalk-LOL


Ummm, No if you actually watched it, he had no clue what the questions would be about.

[platinumblondelife]

While out in California recently, Obama desperately wanted to have dinner with Simon Cowell ... Cowell turned down the invitation, apparently due to scheduling conflicts.

If that doesn't say "celebrity" all over it, then nothing does.

"He (Obama) wanted to have dinner and our diaries didn't quite match." - Simon Cowell
Simon talked about this on Idol. He said it was a JOKE people! That didn't happen. Basically rolled his eyes at anyone taking what he said seriously. I saw it when it happened it was obvious he was joking. That the right really even thought to seriously bring this up shows desperation beyond belief. Of course thats what people get for believing whatever they read on drudgereport. lol.

[Brieannas21]

Simon talked about this on Idol. He said it was a JOKE people! That didn't happen. Basically rolled his eyes at anyone taking what he said seriously. I saw it when it happened it was obvious he was joking. That the right really even thought to mention that shows desperation beyond belief. Of course thats what people get for believing whatever they read on drudgereport. lol.


When I read it on here I blew it off because I knew that it was a joke, and people actually believed him.

[Tweety]

Simon talked about this on Idol. He said it was a JOKE people! That didn't happen. Basically rolled his eyes at anyone taking what he said seriously. I saw it when it happened it was obvious he was joking. That the right really even thought to mention that shows desperation beyond belief. Of course thats what people get for believing whatever they read on drudgereport. lol.

He's just covering Obama's butt.

[platinumblondelife]

He's just covering Obama's butt.
Um...sure he is :lol:. Anything your side can grab onto. It was clear Simon thought that people took him serious was as ridiculous and he said so. :lol:

[JT]

Simon talked about this on Idol. He said it was a JOKE people! That didn't happen. Basically rolled his eyes at anyone taking what he said seriously. I saw it when it happened it was obvious he was joking. That the right really even thought to seriously bring this up shows desperation beyond belief. Of course thats what people get for believing whatever they read on drudgereport. lol.
OMG, the second Simon said that it was a joke, I immediately thought about Tweety.

IT. WAS. A JOKE.

I think I may love Simon now.

[Tweety]

The guy is obsessed with hanging around celebrities. Plus, he has a bit of a crush on Simon.

[Tweety]

...I think I may love Simon now.

Hmmm, there's a shock.

You and Obama both.

[platinumblondelife]

OMG, the second Simon said that it was a joke, I immediately thought about Tweety.

IT. WAS. A JOKE.

I think I may love Simon now.
:lol:

I wonder what the wingnut response is. OMGZ IT IS NAU OBVIOUS SIMON WAS TOLD BY THE BLACK HOMOSEXUAL MARXIST OBAMA GOVERNMENT TO CLARIFY OR FACE EVICSHUN FRON FROM AMERICA!!!1 IT IS BEYUND OBVIUS NOW WE ARE NOW LIVING UNDER DICTATARSHIP!

[JT]

Hmmm, there's a shock.

You and Obama both.
Boy, please. Go sit down somewhere.

Perhaps you...........GOT A CRUUUUSH ON OBAAMAAAAA? Can I start calling you ObamaBoi?

[JT]

:lol:

I wonder what the wingnut response is. OMGZ IT IS NAU OBVIOUS SIMON WAS TOLD BY THE BLACK HOMOSEXUAL MARXIST OBAMA GOVERNMENT TO CLARIFY OR FACE EVICSHUN FRON FROM AMERICA!!!1 IT IS BEYUND OBVIUS NOW WE ARE NOW LIVING UNDER DICTATARSHIP!

LMAO.
You forgot SOSHALISS!

*insert phrase about tin foil hats*

[Brieannas21]

LMAO.
You forgot SOSHALISS!

*insert phrase about tin foil hats*


LMAO!!!

[platinumblondelife]

LMAO.
You forgot SOSHALISS!

*insert phrase about tin foil hats*
You mean "socilism"

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/images/mccain-at-resort-in-phoenix.2706804.0.jpg

On the topic of American Idol, it looks like history will be made by the first gay singer winning. Adam is so far and above the rest imo.

[Dr. John Becker]

:lol:

I wonder what the wingnut response is. OMGZ IT IS NAU OBVIOUS SIMON WAS TOLD BY THE BLACK HOMOSEXUAL MARXIST OBAMA GOVERNMENT TO CLARIFY OR FACE EVICSHUN FRON FROM AMERICA!!!1 IT IS BEYUND OBVIUS NOW WE ARE NOW LIVING UNDER DICTATARSHIP!

Would that be the same wingnuts who said "gorge bush blew up the levaies. He dosn't like black pople. gorge bush also blew up the wrld trde celter. busdh is a toorrist." :lol:

When it comes to wingnuts, your side wrote the book.

[ThomasE]

If I was dealing with the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal I would sit in the press box too.



Obama feels as though he has to be seen??? He would have been seen anyway, Press box or not. Did it hurt anyone?

THANK YOU! As long as this man is doing what he can to improve the situations that have occurred in this country, he is cool my book. Whether he is in the press box or talking on the couch with Jay Leno, as long as he is on his job, then I have no problem.

Someone told me that he should not have appeared on the talk show when there are problems in this country. In all honesty, I don't see a problem with this dude taking one hour out of his schedule to talk with Jay and discuss the issues. Doing that will not make or break the problems that we do have. For that hour, he could been reading a book or (excuse me for this) been on the can and no one would have complained. I don't remember President Bush sitting in a press box or appearing on a talk show during his reign as President but people still jumped on his case for his actions. So I don't think the country will go to hell because he was chilling in the press box or the talk show. Obama, just make sure you're working. ;)

[BeavisandButthead]

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc300/JPBJR/USA/TeleprompteroftheUnitedStates-2.jpg

[LuLu Rogers]

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc300/JPBJR/USA/TeleprompteroftheUnitedStates-2.jpg


:lol: Love it!

[BeavisandButthead]

:lol: Love it!

When I saw this thread that image immediately popped up....

[platinumblondelife]

Again, harping on use of a teleprompter does nothing but make most people roll their eyes unless they are vigilantly anti-Obama. Who cares about his use of teleprompter? It's just so lame. Obama is talking about his budget proposals and Republicans are talking about he uses a teleprompter too much? It's truly laughable, and that's why the American people don't trust Republicans.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/waymjoh/Bush2Teleprompter.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/waymjoh/Bushteleprompter.jpg

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2009/03/reaganteleprompter.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/waymjoh/Palinprompter.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00CF5kUchl0WT/610x.jpg

http://www.presentationzen.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/02/teleprompter1_2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/SOU2007.jpg

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/speechgfx/reagan-parliament3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/waymjoh/McCain-Teleprompter.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v215/waymjoh/?action=view&current=Palinprompter.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/waymjoh/reagan_presenting_budget_congress_4.jpg

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-09/27/xinsrc_1820904271111140187602.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/waymjoh/JindalPrompt.jpg

http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/evangelicalevolution/images/reagan_nae.jpg

[ThomasE]

Wow platinum. I wanted to quote you but I think that I will just quick reply. I don't think everyone is looking at the entire picture. Everyone is just looking at one side and it seems as though some people are seeing what they want to see. Not everybody but think some want to pass judgement. That's kind of sad.

[JT]

Again, harping on use of a teleprompter does nothing but make most people roll their eyes unless they are vigilantly anti-Obama. Who cares about his use of teleprompter? It's just so lame. Obama is talking about his budget proposals and Republicans are talking about he uses a teleprompter too much? It's truly laughable, and that's why the American people don't trust Republicans.

Daaaaaaaaamn, girl!

Ode to Joy plays in my head as I look at those pictures lol