The racist cake

[sunshinefizzy]

I baked a cake at work a couple of days ago that I named the African Queen after the movie with Humphrey Bogart and Katharine Hepburn. It's an orange flavored cake with orange infused icing on top of it. I thought it was a good name for it. Well, my aunt who is also my boss wanted me to change the name because people might get the wrong idea. I thought it was pretty stupid. I mean, it's not like I made a chocolate with chocolate and named it that. I just did what I was told and renamed it Clockwork Orange cake.

What do you guys think about it???

[Hollow]

people are WAY too sensitive and politically correct about racism towards blacks. it seriously drives me crazy. some (not necessarily anyone on this board) would read this very post and jump all over me for referring to them as blacks instead of african americans. of course no one ever has a problem with referring to caucasians as whites. these people claim they just want "equality", but play it out like the black race is sacred and above all the rest.

with all that said, it may be smart of your aunt to not want that name, so that she doesn't have to put up with anything ridiculous.

[Chocoholic]

I would have kept the African Queen name. There is nothing offensive about it at all. If someone took offense, then it's their problem, not yours. There are too many crybabies in this country.

[so elektrikkxx]

people are WAY too sensitive and politically correct about racism towards blacks. it seriously drives me crazy. some (not necessarily anyone on this board) would read this very post and jump all over me for referring to them as blacks instead of african americans. of course no one ever has a problem with referring to caucasians as whites. these people claim they just want "equality", but play it out like the black race is sacred and above all the rest.

with all that said, it may be smart of your aunt to not want that name, so that she doesn't have to put up with anything ridiculous.

i agree completely. i also get annoyed beyond belief when people claim every reference to race/ethnicity/nationality is "racism". i was talking about degrassi with my friend and he wasn't familiar with one of the characters by name (hazel), and i said "she's the black girl who is friends with paige." and he screamed out (completely serious too) "OMG UR LYKE, RACIST ~*~*~*" if there was a white person in a crowd of black people, would it be racist to refer to them as "the white person" as a point of reference? i doubt it. there are so many double standards when it comes to this, and people seem to forget what racism really is.

there was a kid at my work who thought the manager was racist toward him because he's black and i said "instead of complaining about something that isn't even a problem, why not do something about the genocide in sudan? that actually IS racism." and he didn't say anything. :)

[MrCleveland]

What would happen if someone brought a white cake with chocolate icing and they called it "The Jazz Singer" cake?

Now that would be wrong. In our family, we would use Italian slurs, but only for fun.

We forgot to laugh at ourselves as human beings and if we took everything seriously, we would be all Stiffy Stiffersons.

[sunshinefizzy]

What would happen if someone brought a white cake with chocolate icing and they called it "The Jazz Singer" cake?

Now that would be wrong. In our family, we would use Italian slurs, but only for fun.

We forgot to laugh at ourselves as human beings and if we took everything seriously, we would be all Stiffy Stiffersons.

Are you a haddock smacking wop like me???

[Chocoholic]

Are you a haddock smacking wop like me???

I'm half Mafia wop and half drunken Irish. You don't want to get me mad! :mad: :D

[MickeyMac]

I am going to let yall in on a little secret.

Us black folks are a very sensitive race of people

I'll give you a couple of examples:

During the election people were whining that some of the attacks Senator McCain made about Obama were racist. Wrong, its politics and its called mudslinging, all politicians do it and this would happen even if Obama were white.

Remember when that guy from Seinfeld said n***** in his routine, and how black people got bent out of shape. Every black comedian I have ever heard from Bill Cosby, Flip Wilson, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphey, Bernie Mack and D.L. Hughly have made fun of white people, but white people just laugh at it.

See what I am getting at.

Frankly I dont find the cake and the name offensive at all. Keep the name "the African Queen". Anybody gives you and grief, send them to me.

[catlover79]

^ Not to mention Redd Foxx...how many times was the "n-word" used on Sanford & Son?? Anyway, this world is WAY too PC...and I can't stand it. :mad:

[Pus$y Galore]

I don't get the reference AT ALL? Was it the orange colour or just the name? If it was the colour, since when has a black person ever been called "orange"???? If it was just the name - that's absolutely NUTS. My God, has it really come to THAT point?


So what now, am I supposed to go postal if someone brought in a Cracker Cake (made from soda crackers and it actually tastes like apple pie - but that's besides the point).


Ya know what? Screw 'em altogether! Bake the damned cake, name at whatever the hell you want and don't bring one into work ever again! Save your energy for your "politically incorrect" friends. Geez....

[so elektrikkxx]

i'd also like to point out not all africans are black, so how would someone know the name 'african queen' isn't referring to a white south african or an arab from algeria or somalia, for instance?

[MickeyMac]

I don't get the reference AT ALL? Was it the orange colour or just the name? If it was the colour, since when has a black person ever been called "orange"???? If it was just the name - that's absolutely NUTS. My God, has it really come to THAT point?


So what now, am I supposed to go postal if someone brought in a Cracker Cake (made from soda crackers and it actually tastes like apple pie - but that's besides the point).


Ya know what? Screw 'em altogether! Bake the damned cake, name at whatever the hell you want and don't bring one into work ever again! Save your energy for your "politically incorrect" friends. Geez....



I got to admit I have been called a lot of names in my time, but nobody has ever called me orange lol

[Pus$y Galore]

I got to admit I have been called a lot of names in my time, but nobody has ever called me orange lol


EXACTLY! The only people I would ever call "orange" would be the white chicks who buy that God-awful "self tanning" garbage that does make them orange.


Funny side story: If anything, I'm so naive, and I guess "colour blind", that when I was working in sales, we would have major chain customers visit our head office and showroom. There's a camera chain in Canada, called Blacks Cameras (you see where I'm going now....). Well we would usually shorten a good, long customer's name. (for example, Shoppers Drug Mart would be Shoppers or SDM). I used to have parking spots reserved for our VIP visitors. Sure enough, I got reminded one day of sensitivity when I printed off signs saying, "Reserved For Blacks". ;) :) No kidding - true story. I didn't even think. LOL

[MonarC]

People give cakes names now?:eek: :lol:

[sunshinefizzy]

Well, I forgot to tell you all this but the same exact day I put the African Queen out for sale I made Atticus Finch cake. It was a white cake mix with chocolate chips, buttercream frosting, chocolate sprinkles and a hug candy in the middle. An homage to who I think is the most influential fictional character of all time. Yep, call me Jim Crow.

[Pus$y Galore]

Hmmmmmm......


Maybe best to just stick with a six-layer "Brady Bunch" cake to be safe from now on. ;)

[Cactus Jack]

Hmmmmmm......


Maybe best to just stick with a six-layer "Brady Bunch" cake to be safe from now on. ;)
With tons of cheese!

[Sharop]

^ Not to mention Redd Foxx...how many times was the "n-word" used on Sanford & Son?? Anyway, this world is WAY too PC...and I can't stand it. :mad:

I'm personally a supporter of political correctness. Mainly because the main reason behind it is to prevent people from becoming offended/upset/ or attacked and I fully support that.

It can go too far...but I to admit to being a very PC person. I hate any kind of attack on a race, religion, culture, etc...I know people who aren't PC hate that stuff as well, but I think political correctness is in general a good thing.

[Pus$y Galore]

With tons of cheese!


LOL - now THAT would be politically CORRECT for sure! A 6 layer cheesecake with cherry topping!

[Cactus Jack]

LOL - now THAT would be politically CORRECT for sure! A 6 layer cheesecake with cherry topping!
LOL I meant cheese cause Brady Bunch is the cheesiest show ever made on the face of this earth.

[Sharop]

I've never understood why political correctness is attacked so much?

If it gets out of hand, as it sometimes does, then I see why some people are annoyed by it. But I honestly feel that political correctness is a good thing. I hate the idea of any kind of race/culture/minority getting offended or feeling attacked.

I think what should really be criticised is the prejudices that caused political correctness to come about in the first place.

Of course people can take political correctness too far and then it can become a bit ridiculous...but when someone takes it too far, it ceases to be political correctness and turns into something silly.

Political correctness itself is a good thing in my opinion.

[Janice]

Political correctness can and does go too far. There are many people who are offended over EVERYTHING, and the world shouldn't have to bend over backwards to please them. The crybabies of the world should all go live on an island somewhere, just so they can bitch, moan and cry their lives away. That's all they do anyway, and I'm sick of listening to them.

[catlover79]

^ :yeahthat It's just that some people are WAY too thin-skinned. Having said that, I do not condone racism, sexism, etc. at all.

[Pus$y Galore]

LOL I meant cheese cause Brady Bunch is the cheesiest show ever made on the face of this earth.


Oh I know! ;)

That's why I added the cherry topping - just to add that extra sweetness to make it sickeningly sweet! ;) :P

[Cactus Jack]

Oh I know! ;)

That's why I added the cherry topping - just to add that extra sweetness to make it sickeningly sweet! ;) :P
LOL yup!

[Sharop]

Political correctness can and does go too far. There are many people who are offended over EVERYTHING, and the world shouldn't have to bend over backwards to please them. The crybabies of the world should all go live on an island somewhere, just so they can bitch, moan and cry their lives away. That's all they do anyway, and I'm sick of listening to them.

It can go too far, but when it does, it's not really political correctness any more.

Political correctness as I see it is a set of standards that ensure that people from all races, religions, cultures, etc, are viewed as and treated equally.

That may still be impossible for now but maybe in the future there will be no such thing as prejudice.

I do consider myself a very politically correct person. I'm quite proud to be.

[Pus$y Galore]

It can go too far, but when it does, it's not really political correctness any more.

Political correctness as I see it is a set of standards that ensure that people from all races, religions, cultures, etc, are viewed as and treated equally.

That may still be impossible for now but maybe in the future there will be no such thing as prejudice.

I do consider myself a very politically correct person. I'm quite proud to be.


Would you have read anything into an orange cake with the name of an old movie?

I agree, I try to be sensitive, but when it comes to that it gets crazy imo. If a black gal were to bake it, would it make any difference?
Something like that would just NEVER cross my mind in a million years. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but .....wow.

[Janice]

It can go too far, but when it does, it's not really political correctness any more.

Political correctness as I see it is a set of standards that ensure that people from all races, religions, cultures, etc, are viewed as and treated equally.

That may still be impossible for now but maybe in the future there will be no such thing as prejudice.

I do consider myself a very politically correct person. I'm quite proud to be.
We're all in agreement that there's no place for racism in our society. Political Correctness isn't just about that. I'm referring to instances where kids can't sing a religious song in a Christmas play, such as Silent Night. I'm referring to the time when some lady barked at me in a video store because she overheard me refer to a movie as a Black Comedy, which is a commonly used term. I guess it has to be "Dark Comedy" now, until people who are afraid of the dark start complaining. I'm referring to stores who won't use the word Christmas in their advertising so as not to offend those of other faiths, even though they're targeting the dollars of a LOT of Christians who celebrate Christmas. There's the Santa recruitment firm (for Malls) who claim that Santa saying, Ho, Ho, Ho, is offensive to women. There's those who constantly place the race card, pulled from the bottom of the deck.

[Hollow]

I guess it has to be "Dark Comedy" now, until people who are afraid of the dark start complaining.
:rofl:

that's another instance of people treating the black race as if it's sacred, even if their intent is just to "prevent racism" rather than glorify blacks. blacks have to be treated with all this extra respect. they have to be referred to as "african americans" because "blacks" is totally degrading and offensive, but you can never describe an individual as being black or african american (only large groups), because that means that it's the only thing you notice about them, and therefore you're judging them, and therefore you're a racist.

it's the same way with other things too. according to society, women have to be treated with more respect than men. if, for example, people see a woman punching a man, they'll think "YOU GO GIRL! SHOW HIM WHO'S BOSS!" and if it's the other way around, they'll think "OMG DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!"

people are too sensitive about homophobia too, even though discrimination in this case is a widespread issue. if anyone merely states that gay marriage is wrong or that homosexuality is a choice, they get jumped all over and called a homophobic bigot, even if they said absolutely nothing about their opinion of gays. i've seen it happen on this board way too many times.

blacks are above whites, women are above men, and gay people are above straight people. so much for the "equality" that everyone claims to be aiming for. it's sickening.

[Sharop]

they have to be referred to as "african americans" because "blacks" is totally degrading and offensive

I prefer the term "African American" to "black." But my reason for that is because I think "African American" sounds more fancy and sophisticated than "black." Maybe that's just me being a snob?

But being a rather wordy person, I prefer African American, I just think it sounds better.

[Janice]

:rofl:

that's another instance of people treating the black race as if it's sacred, even if their intent is just to "prevent racism" rather than glorify blacks. blacks have to be treated with all this extra respect. they have to be referred to as "african americans" because "blacks" is totally degrading and offensive, but you can never describe an individual as being black or african american (only large groups), because that means that it's the only thing you notice about them, and therefore you're judging them, and therefore you're a racist.

it's the same way with other things too. according to society, women have to be treated with more respect than men. if, for example, people see a woman punching a man, they'll think "YOU GO GIRL! SHOW HIM WHO'S BOSS!" and if it's the other way around, they'll think "OMG DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!"

people are too sensitive about homophobia too, even though discrimination in this case is a widespread issue. if anyone merely states that gay marriage is wrong or that homosexuality is a choice, they get jumped all over and called a homophobic bigot, even if they said absolutely nothing about their opinion of gays. i've seen it happen on this board way too many times.

blacks are above whites, women are above men, and gay people are above straight people. so much for the "equality" that everyone claims to be aiming for. it's sickening.
:clap :notworthy

[Hollow]

I prefer the term "African American" to "black." But my reason for that is because I think "African American" sounds more fancy and sophisticated than "black." Maybe that's just me being a snob?

But being a rather wordy person, I prefer African American, I just think it sounds better.
yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. it's only when people accuse others of being racist for using the term "black" that annoys me.

[Sharop]

yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. it's only when people accuse others of being racist for using the term "black" that annoys me.

Yes, I agree that it's silly for someone to accuse a person of being racist for using the term "black." I wouldn't think someone was being racist if they described me as white - if they kept calling me "Whitey" or something like that, that would annoy me though.

Similarly, though, I do really like the word "caucasian" for the reason that it sounds so cool and intelligent. Maybe I'm just into longer words. I also loved the part in Back to the Future when Doc referred to a school dance as a "rhythmic ceremonial ritual." I love Doc Brown!

[JT]

I'm black, and believe me, I agree with the sentiment that some people hide behind accusations of racism (for whatever reason). And as for the original topic of this thread, I too don't think that the OP should have had to rename the cake. The African Queen is a classic movie, and if anyone had a problem with the name, hopefully they wouldn't have one after an explanation.

But, on to the bigger issue. Someone once told me that they have a problem with black people "preserving their culture" because they feel that if white people "preserved their culture," it would be called racism. Okay. And what exactly is the "white culture" and has it ever been endangered to the point of needing to be "preserved?"

There's the "BET" issue. If there was a "WET," that would be considered racism. Personally, I don't really understand why BET was started. From what I understand, the founders wanted to have a place where black entertainers could be shown as they weren't shown as much as whites on the other channels. I would figure that the correct response to this would be to create a channel that shows an equal amount of the races that make up the majority of American entertainment. But maybe that's just me.

I turned down minority scholarships because I wanted to be rewarded for what's in me, not what color covers me, so please, don't think that I'm one of those crazed NAACP people who thinks that everybody is racist.

And also, since people who are easily offended by things are being called crybabies, does that also hold true for people who get in a tiff over so-called "foul language?" Seriously, folks, words are just words, and if you're going to be offended by a word, you're nuts. Keep in mind that most people aren't even offended by the meanings of the words, as there are countless synonyms for most cuss words. It's the actual words themselves. People are offended by the sounds that certain letters make when strung together. I could say "**** that," but that's offensive. But if I said "forget that," I mean the exact same thing...yet that's not offensive. Weird.

[MrCleveland]

Are you a haddock smacking wop like me???

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12.5% Brit
<10% Irish Hound, Black-foot, Scandinavian, and Dutch.

BTW-Has anyone seen that "South Park" episode called 'With Apologies to Jessie Jackson'?

Because this episode talks very deeply toward racism and how a word like ****** can be hurtful to someone else who isn't black. (Note-Randy Marsh was called '******-Guy' after saying it on "Wheel of Fortune").

[Janice]

And also, since people who are easily offended by things are being called crybabies, does that also hold true for people who get in a tiff over so-called "foul language?" Seriously, folks, words are just words, and if you're going to be offended by a word, you're nuts. Keep in mind that most people aren't even offended by the meanings of the words, as there are countless synonyms for most cuss words. It's the actual words themselves. People are offended by the sounds that certain letters make when strung together. I could say "**** that," but that's offensive. But if I said "forget that," I mean the exact same thing...yet that's not offensive. Weird.
It depends when and where. If you said f that that in front of someone's grandmother, a judge, teacher, etc, that would be out of place. Say it around your friends, no big deal. I don't think many people want to hear the f bomb left and right, on commercials, or tv in general.

I swear, but I know there's a time and a place for everything. The time to swear is not at my husband's grandson's birthday party. "What a great f'n toy, Joey! Nana, isn't that a great f'kn toy." Not cool. To me, it's a matter of respect. If swearing isn't allowed or if I know a person is offended by swearing, I don't swear. Words hurt, words offend. Words are sounds strung together. A sentence is those words strung together. What if that sentence insults a person. It doesn't matter because it's just sounds strung together. That makes no sense. Not many people want a society where profanity is allowed everywhere.

[Hollow]

It depends when and where. If you said f that that in front of someone's grandmother, a judge, teacher, etc, that would be out of place. Say it around your friends, no big deal. I don't think many people want to hear the f bomb left and right, on commercials, or tv in general.

I swear, but I know there's a time and a place for everything. The time to swear is not at my husband's grandson's birthday party. "What a great f'n toy, Joey! Nana, isn't that a great f'kn toy." Not cool. To me, it's a matter of respect. If swearing isn't allowed or if I know a person is offended by swearing, I don't swear. Words hurt, words offend. Words are sounds strung together. A sentence is those words strung together. What if that sentence insults a person. It doesn't matter because it's just sounds strung together. That makes no sense. Not many people want a society where profanity is allowed everywhere.
i agree. using those words around people you hardly know may give them a bad impression, because you're showing that you probably don't care whether or not they're offended by them. i use those words regularly, but when people i've just met are saying "**** this and **** that" to me, it comes off as impolite because they don't know how comfortable i am with it.

[JT]

It depends when and where. If you said f that that in front of someone's grandmother, a judge, teacher, etc, that would be out of place. Say it around your friends, no big deal. I don't think many people want to hear the f bomb left and right, on commercials, or tv in general.

I swear, but I know there's a time and a place for everything. The time to swear is not at my husband's grandson's birthday party. "What a great f'n toy, Joey! Nana, isn't that a great f'kn toy." Not cool. To me, it's a matter of respect. If swearing isn't allowed or if I know a person is offended by swearing, I don't swear. Words hurt, words offend. Words are sounds strung together. A sentence is those words strung together. What if that sentence insults a person. It doesn't matter because it's just sounds strung together. That makes no sense. Not many people want a society where profanity is allowed everywhere.
Seriously, I don't think that I'll ever fully understand it. How is a person offended by the F word? What about it offends them? Why are they bothered by it? Teachers have always told me that it's bad for me to cuss because it might offend someone. People are offended by cuss words because they "might offend" someone. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

But it goes into the topic of this thread. The general consensus here is that people shouldn't have to change the way they talk or do things just because someone might call it out as racist. Why should I limit my vocabulary because someone might call it "foul?" There's no personal meaning behind these words at all, so I just don't get it.

[JT]

i agree. using those words around people you hardly know may give them a bad impression, because you're showing that you probably don't care whether or not they're offended by them. i use those words regularly, but when people i've just met are saying "**** this and **** that" to me, it comes off as impolite because they don't know how comfortable i am with it.
I don't get it lol What's there to be uncomfortable about in the first place, though?

Maybe I need to spend some time studying the histories of these words. I can report what I find. Look for "The Big Book of Bull****!" coming to your local Barnes and Noble soon!

[Janice]

Seriously, I don't think that I'll ever fully understand it. How is a person offended by the F word? What about it offends them? Why are they bothered by it? Teachers have always told me that it's bad for me to cuss because it might offend someone. People are offended by cuss words because they "might offend" someone. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

But it goes into the topic of this thread. The general consensus here is that people shouldn't have to change the way they talk or do things just because someone might call it out as racist. Why should I limit my vocabulary because someone might call it "foul?" There's no personal meaning behind these words at all, so I just don't get it.
It's the way society is structured. Profanity is offensive to most people. It's the reason it's filtered out on this and most other sites. It's not acceptable in many circumstances. To conflate phony racist charges with profanity makes no sense to me. I don't see the connection. You seem to want a world where profanity is accepted. It simply isn't, and I don't see it happening anytime soon. Most consider the words as ugly. It's just the way it is.

[JT]

It's the way society is structured. Profanity is offensive to most people. It's the reason it's filtered out on this and most other sites. It's not acceptable in many circumstances. To conflate phony racist charges with profanity makes no sense to me. I don't see the connection. You seem to want a world where profanity is accepted. It simply isn't, and I don't see it happening anytime soon. Most consider the words as ugly. It's just the way it is.
I'd rather see a world where profanity isn't considered profanity, but just a part of the world's vocabulary. Nothing makes those words worse than any other words besides the stigma that society's put on them for no reason, but that's really neither here nor there. I personally think that there are parrallels between phony racist charges and the animosity towards "foul language." In both cases, people are offended by things that they really shouldn't be offended by.

[Janice]

I'd rather see a world where profanity isn't considered profanity, but just a part of the world's vocabulary. Nothing makes those words worse than any other words besides the stigma that society's put on them for no reason, but that's really neither here nor there. I personally think that there are parrallels between phony racist charges and the animosity towards "foul language." In both cases, people are offended by things that they really shouldn't be offended by.
The problem with that is that you're in the minority, concerning profanity. It's not acceptable in society, except in certain situations. You obviously disagree, but it's still true, none the less. On the other hand, nobody wants to be accused of unfounded racism. Apples and oranges.

[Dr. Thong]

I prefer the term "African American" to "black." But my reason for that is because I think "African American" sounds more fancy and sophisticated than "black." Maybe that's just me being a snob?

But being a rather wordy person, I prefer African American, I just think it sounds better.

I respect your opinion, but I'm just the opposite.

The term African-American bothers me. Why? Because they're not African born. They are Americans of African descent. I could see the term being used for an African who immigrated to this country and became a citizen. I think in that instance, it would be justified.

And I apply the same opinion to "Italian-Americans," etc. If you were born in the US, you are American. End of story.

I am not an "Irish American." I'm an American. Period.

And I also think that to patronize blacks by not poking fun is a form of reverse racism. I don't mean ignorant, racist humor, just everyday observational humor.

If the comedians and comedy shows pull punches and go easy on Obama because he's black, they are not doing their job.

[Dr. Thong]

Are you a haddock smacking wop like me???

For some reason, when I read this line, I hear Sean Connery saying it.;)

[MickeyMac]

I dont dig the term African Ameircan because its not accurate. You can be white and be African American. A white person from Africa who moves to American is African American


In fact I hate labels period. Just call me a person :)

After all thats what we all are regarless of race. We are people, you dig :)

[MickeyMac]

Well, I forgot to tell you all this but the same exact day I put the African Queen out for sale I made Atticus Finch cake. It was a white cake mix with chocolate chips, buttercream frosting, chocolate sprinkles and a hug candy in the middle. An homage to who I think is the most influential fictional character of all time. Yep, call me Jim Crow.



I wont call you Jim Crow, I will call you a damn good cook. That cake sounds delicious. I want a piece :D :D

[Pus$y Galore]

I dont dig the term African Ameircan because its not accurate. You can be white and be African American. A white person from Africa who moves to American is African American


In fact I hate labels period. Just call me a person :)

After all thats what we all are regarless of race. We are people, you dig :)


EXACTLY! Hey - if you want to go far enough back, we're ALL from Africa. We don't call black Canadians "African Canadian". It sounds ridiculous. We all know the history of how most blacks got to America. If anything, the term African American just keeps reminding us of it. It was a nasty time - who the hell wants to dwell on it 150 years later. Let's just move on and say no matter what the colour, if you're a citizen of the U.S., you're an Amercian - period.


(Besides, you could end up offending blacks who are from South America or the West Indies by calling them African American).

[sunshinefizzy]

I wont call you Jim Crow, I will call you a damn good cook. That cake sounds delicious. I want a piece :D :D

Thank you very much. I would bake more and send it to you but I'm afraid it will get stale. However you can make it at home you just get a box of Duncan Hines White Cake, follow the directions on the box, add a bag of Hershey's mini morsel chocolate chips. Then you bake at 350 until the cake feels like a sponge when you touch it (it's the best way to know when it's done.) Then let it completley cool then put a jar of plain buttercream frosting, add sprinkles and the hug candy and there you go. Hope that helps with your cake craving.

[so elektrikkxx]

(Besides, you could end up offending blacks who are from South America or the West Indies by calling them African American).

Also, not all Africans are black. Would the children of a white South African or an Arab from Somalia be called "African American" if born here?

[catlover79]

I wont call you Jim Crow, I will call you a damn good cook. That cake sounds delicious. I want a piece :D :D
Same here - that cake sounds DELISH!!!! :drool:

[JT]

Also, not all Africans are black. Would the children of a white South African or an Arab from Somalia be called "African American" if born here?

Pretty much. "African American" and "Black" should not be used interchangeably. If someone's gonna use AA, well then they should also be aware that they might also use it for someone who isn't dark skinned. And just because a "white" person is from Africa doesn't mean that they look different from Europeans or "normal" white people, either. This is a picture of African soap stars, and they sure don't look like what one would immediately assume Africans to look like...

[so elektrikkxx]

Pretty much. "African American" and "Black" should not be used interchangeably. If someone's gonna use AA, well then they should also be aware that they might also use it for someone who isn't dark skinned. And just because a "white" person is from Africa doesn't mean that they look different from Europeans or "normal" white people, either. This is a picture of African soap stars, and they sure don't look like what one would immediately assume Africans to look like...

what I find interesting is that what's considered black in this country may not be considered black in other places. there was this guy at my work from egypt who was offended when someone referred to him as black. he is black by american standards but i guess in his country, he looks like everyone else and they don't think about race there.

[LuLu Rogers]

:rofl:

that's another instance of people treating the black race as if it's sacred, even if their intent is just to "prevent racism" rather than glorify blacks. blacks have to be treated with all this extra respect. they have to be referred to as "african americans" because "blacks" is totally degrading and offensive, but you can never describe an individual as being black or african american (only large groups), because that means that it's the only thing you notice about them, and therefore you're judging them, and therefore you're a racist.

it's the same way with other things too. according to society, women have to be treated with more respect than men. if, for example, people see a woman punching a man, they'll think "YOU GO GIRL! SHOW HIM WHO'S BOSS!" and if it's the other way around, they'll think "OMG DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!"

people are too sensitive about homophobia too, even though discrimination in this case is a widespread issue. if anyone merely states that gay marriage is wrong or that homosexuality is a choice, they get jumped all over and called a homophobic bigot, even if they said absolutely nothing about their opinion of gays. i've seen it happen on this board way too many times.

blacks are above whites, women are above men, and gay people are above straight people. so much for the "equality" that everyone claims to be aiming for. it's sickening.


EXACTLY! :notworthy props:

[Pus$y Galore]

Pretty much. "African American" and "Black" should not be used interchangeably. If someone's gonna use AA, well then they should also be aware that they might also use it for someone who isn't dark skinned. And just because a "white" person is from Africa doesn't mean that they look different from Europeans or "normal" white people, either. This is a picture of African soap stars, and they sure don't look like what one would immediately assume Africans to look like...


Don't you agree that if some blacks overheard someone saying African American to describe a white immigrant from South Africa (as you say, you don't expect them even to be blonde and sound close to Aussie's, but then again, that's their Dutch anestory to a large degree) you'd be taken aback at least at first? Some I think, would even think someone was mocking them - and then we're right back to offending someone. Hell - ya can't win. Let's just go by the generals - how offensive is it to say black, brown, white - that's what we all are if you're looking at us at a distance! ;)

[Pus$y Galore]

what I find interesting is that what's considered black in this country may not be considered black in other places. there was this guy at my work from egypt who was offended when someone referred to him as black. he is black by american standards but i guess in his country, he looks like everyone else and they don't think about race there.


I used to work with an East Indian guy who immigrated first to England, and then eventually Canada. He calls himself "brown". I know at lot who middle easterners who consider themselves "brown" since really, they are in between. I calls 'em as I sees 'em - you don't like it, I could call you a lot worse and it has nothing to do with colour. ;P

[so elektrikkxx]

Don't you agree that if some blacks overheard someone saying African American to describe a white immigrant from South Africa (as you say, you don't expect them even to be blonde and sound close to Aussie's, but then again, that's their Dutch anestory to a large degree) you'd be taken aback at least at first? Some I think, would even think someone was mocking them - and then we're right back to offending someone. Hell - ya can't win. Let's just go by the generals - how offensive is it to say black, brown, white - that's what we all are if you're looking at us at a distance! ;)

I have heard African Americans (black) say that if you're not black, you're not really African, and they don't feel someone from South Africa who is white should be called an African American. While whites and Arabs may not be of ethnic African descent, I consider someone from Algeria who moves to America to be far more African American than someone whose ancestors have been here for generations, simply because they are actually FROM Africa themselves. African is an ethnicity not a race.

[JT]

EXACTLY! :notworthy props:
[I really should be quoting safety pin because I'm responding to what she said, but it's easier to just quote you because then I don't have to cut and bold and this and that]

But, you see, and I totally get where you're coming from, and I think it's messed up too, and I'm just putting this out there, but those urges to be superior to the majority aren't just coming from nowhere. Sure, people say they want equality, and in the long run, they do, but when you're a part of a long-oppressed group, you have this thing inside you that makes you wish that things could be opposite, if only for one minute of the day. I've been called bad names for both my race and my decision to not put a label on my sexuality, and the end game for me is for everyone to just let people be who they are. But, still, there's going to always be something in me...something that wants to feel superior to white people or superior to straight people. It doesn't mean that I feel like I am, or that I hate you, but that I wish that I could be a part of the "normal" group, which would entail being able to look down at the "inferior" group (which is not to say that all white, straight people look down on other races or sexualities). I want nothing more than equality for everyone in the world, but for me, there's also an undying desire to be on the other end of the way things are now. It's sort of a need for us to see that you know how we feel, to be shat on because of who we are. I guess for some people, that desire is greater than it is in others.

[JT]

Don't you agree that if some blacks overheard someone saying African American to describe a white immigrant from South Africa (as you say, you don't expect them even to be blonde and sound close to Aussie's, but then again, that's their Dutch anestory to a large degree) you'd be taken aback at least at first? Some I think, would even think someone was mocking them - and then we're right back to offending someone. Hell - ya can't win. Let's just go by the generals - how offensive is it to say black, brown, white - that's what we all are if you're looking at us at a distance! ;)
I'm all for just using colors lol. I've yet to come across a black person who is offended by "black" as a description of them. The only way that becomes an insult is if it's used to describe a black person whose skin is really, really dark lol And that's totally done in jest, all the way. That's why some people like to call themselves "chocolate" or "caramel" or some lighter skinned people like "butterscotch." It's all done in good humor.

[JT]

I have heard African Americans (black) say that if you're not black, you're not really African, and they don't feel someone from South Africa who is white should be called an African American. While whites and Arabs may not be of ethnic African descent, I consider someone from Algeria who moves to America to be far more African American than someone whose ancestors have been here for generations, simply because they are actually FROM Africa themselves. African is an ethnicity not a race.
That's all about them seeing being black as being in some kind of an elite club that everybody wants to be a part of. That's just ridiculous crazy talk, there.

[so elektrikkxx]

That's all about them seeing being black as being in some kind of an elite club that everybody wants to be a part of. That's just ridiculous crazy talk, there.

i agree.

on a related note, one of my good friends is black but she doesn't "act black", and other black girls she knows don't consider her black enough. as if there is a correct way to act based on race or background.

[JT]

i agree.

on a related note, one of my good friends is black but she doesn't "act black", and other black girls she knows don't consider her black enough. as if there is a correct way to act based on race or background.
That's a gigantic problem. The reason why many black people who don't "act black" don't normally have black friends is because usually what happens is they're shunned by black contemporaries and over time, don't really pursue friendships with black people. I've lived my whole life on a predominently black street (there's never been more than one or two white families at a time), and yet I've never really followed too many black stereotypes (there are some that pertain to me...I loves watermelon, but that's more of a southern thing, as all fried chicken...and umm...I can talk really, really effed up, but again that's a southern thing). So I would basically be picked on at home all the time (not only for "acting white" but also for being girly as a young kid) by the other kids, and so when I'd go to school, I'd always try to make friends with the white kids first. Even today, I tend to be intimidated by some black people because 9 out of 10, they will look at me as "acting white" or whatever. Most of the time, though, that barrier just goes away and we're able to communicate on the same level, and they see that I'm really not "acting" one way or the other.

[so elektrikkxx]

That's a gigantic problem. The reason why many black people who don't "act black" don't normally have black friends is because usually what happens is they're shunned by black contemporaries and over time, don't really pursue friendships with black people. I've lived my whole life on a predominently black street (there's never been more than one or two white families at a time), and yet I've never really followed too many black stereotypes (there are some that pertain to me...I loves watermelon, but that's more of a southern thing, as all fried chicken...and umm...I can talk really, really effed up, but again that's a southern thing). So I would basically be picked on at home all the time (not only for "acting white" but also for being girly as a young kid) by the other kids, and so when I'd go to school, I'd always try to make friends with the white kids first. Even today, I tend to be intimidated by some black people because 9 out of 10, they will look at me as "acting white" or whatever. Most of the time, though, that barrier just goes away and we're able to communicate on the same level, and they see that I'm really not "acting" one way or the other.


a lot of people don't see it this way but I think it's unfair for some groups of people to be given a standard of how they "should" act while others can act however they want without being viewed any differently. If you've noticed too, the only black people who "act black" are people in THIS country. i remember there was a girl from haiti who came to my school last year and she spoke french, and some of the black girls criticized her for not "acting black". :rolleyes: as if someone from a country with a completely different culture and background is going to conform to society's ideals of how they should act.

[MrCleveland]

Pretty much. "African American" and "Black" should not be used interchangeably. If someone's gonna use AA, well then they should also be aware that they might also use it for someone who isn't dark skinned. And just because a "white" person is from Africa doesn't mean that they look different from Europeans or "normal" white people, either. This is a picture of African soap stars, and they sure don't look like what one would immediately assume Africans to look like...

You make a very good point.

I don't know who those people are, but a famous Anglo-African is Dave Matthews.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/DaveMatthews2.jpg

[MickeyMac]

i agree.

on a related note, one of my good friends is black but she doesn't "act black", and other black girls she knows don't consider her black enough. as if there is a correct way to act based on race or background.



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I get that from time to time that I dont act "black"

Sorry for not growing up in the hood(you have to blame my mother for that one lol), and I dont speak in the hip hop slang because some of it sounds like bad grammar. Oh yeah I should mention my least favorite genre is rap music. I dont wear Fubu, or whatever those name brands are, nor do I wear Nike air Jordan(all that stuff is expensive).

I just have to laugh at that from time to time on how people like to think that if you are a certain race you are supposed to behave a certain way.

[so elektrikkxx]

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I get that from time to time that I dont act "black"

Sorry for not growing up in the hood(you have to blame my mother for that one lol), and I dont speak in the hip hop slang because some of it sounds like bad grammar. Oh yeah I should mention my least favorite genre is rap music. I dont wear Fubu, or whatever those name brands are, nor do I wear Nike air Jordan(all that stuff is expensive).

I just have to laugh at that from time to time on how people like to think that if you are a certain race you are supposed to behave a certain way.

and it's only in this country where what we consider "acting black" is associated with being black. it's ridiculous, notice white people can act however and we're never considered less white for it. :rolleyes: huge double standard, lmao

[JT]

You make a very good point.

I don't know who those people are, but a famous Anglo-African is Dave Matthews.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/DaveMatthews2.jpg
And you know, I bet many of his fans don't even know that. Some of my classmates are fans of his, and I'm sure they wouldn't believe me if I told them that he is from South Africa.

[JT]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


I get that from time to time that I dont act "black"

Sorry for not growing up in the hood(you have to blame my mother for that one lol), and I dont speak in the hip hop slang because some of it sounds like bad grammar. Oh yeah I should mention my least favorite genre is rap music. I dont wear Fubu, or whatever those name brands are, nor do I wear Nike air Jordan(all that stuff is expensive).

I just have to laugh at that from time to time on how people like to think that if you are a certain race you are supposed to behave a certain way.
To be honest, I like some rap music, but I also like "some" country and "some" rock and "some" pop, so I don't look at rap music like some black people do, as if it's "for" us. That aggravates me. I really don't pay too much attention to clothing brands...I like Southpole, but that's only because I like the clothes lol It's not because it's "for" us or anything. And well...yeah, despite my huge vocabulary and unnatural love for grammar and mechanics, I do have a tendency to talk in a real...real messed up way. But trust me, that has more to do with growing up in the south than anything else. Both whites and blacks have destroyed the English language down here, and, frankly, "we's right-damn proud of it!"

[Sharop]

(Besides, you could end up offending blacks who are from South America or the West Indies by calling them African American).

But "African American" just sounds so sophisticated and intelligent, doesn't it. :) That's why I prefer it.

[Sharop]

I respect your opinion, but I'm just the opposite.

The term African-American bothers me. Why? Because they're not African born. They are Americans of African descent. I could see the term being used for an African who immigrated to this country and became a citizen. I think in that instance, it would be justified.

Yes, I see what you mean. My preference of the term has nothing to do with race or the culture of black people, however. It's simply because I like the way the phrase sounds. It sounds more cultured, higher class, if you see what I mean? Maybe it's just me being a little snobbish but I love words/expressions that give the impression of intelligence and sophistication.

[Sharop]

I dont dig the term African Ameircan because its not accurate. You can be white and be African American. A white person from Africa who moves to American is African American

But ignoring the accuracy/racial aspect, do you think the term sounds nice?

For everyone else who doesn't like the expression - I understand why, but if you ignore the racial and cultural connotations, how do you think the phrase itself sounds? To me, it just sounds longer and more impressive, which is why I like it.