Obama to Plumber: My Plan Will 'Spread the Wealth Around' HE IS A SOCIALIST!!

[Inky-Winky]

Obama to Plumber: My Plan Will 'Spread the Wealth Around'
Barack Obama tells a plumber in Ohio he wants to "spread the wealth around," eliciting criticism that his economic recovery plan is socialist in nature.

FOXNews.com

Monday, October 13, 2008


Barack Obama told a tax-burdened plumber over the weekend that his economic philosophy is to "spread the wealth around" -- a comment that may only draw fire from riled-up John McCain supporters who have taken to calling Obama a "socialist" at the Republican's rallies.

Obama made the remark, caught on camera, after fielding some tough questions from the plumber Sunday in Ohio, where the Democratic candidate canvassed neighborhoods and encouraged residents to vote early.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Obama's remarks drew fresh criticism on the blogosphere that the Illinois senator favors a breed of wealth redistribution -- as well as a rebuke from the McCain campaign.

"If Barack Obama's goal as President is to 'spread the wealth around,' perhaps his unconditional meetings with Hugo Chavez, Raul Castro, and Kim Jong-Il aren't so crazy -- if nothing else they can advise an Obama administration on economic policy," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a written statement to FOXNews.com. "In contrast, John McCain's goal as president will be to let the American people prosper unburdened by government and ever higher taxes."

Obama frequently rails against what he calls a Republican concept that tax breaks for the wealthy will somehow "trickle down" to middle-class Americans.

Obama says he will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.

However, McCain's aides and supporters argue that Obama wrongly wants to raise taxes on businesses in a time of economic distress.

Both candidates spent Monday discussing how they would resurrect the ailing economy. McCain again pointed to his plan to buy up cumbersome mortgages from homeowners and renegotiate them. Obama unveiled what he called an economic rescue plan for the middle class, which included a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures.

Click here to watch the video of Obama's remarks.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=195153

FOX News' Bonney Kapp contributed to this report.

[platinumblondelife]

Too bad that's what America wants, huh?

[Pus$y Galore]

Doesn't mean he's totally socialist at all the way I read it. And to me, unless you're in the wealthy class, why would it bother anyone to see the little guy get ahead a bit and even better, off the welfare system.

Hell, one minute people are bitching about poverty and the next criticising a guy who doesn't want a huge spread between the classes and thereby labelling him a socialist.

We've never been totally socialist (nor would I want that), but one thing you can say for socialized medicine - no one in Canada has ever gone bankrupt from a catastrophic illness such as cancer.

[catlover79]

When my dad heard that, he said: "Didn't Karl Marx say the same thing??" :eek:

[Inky-Winky]

Doesn't mean he's totally socialist at all the way I read it. And to me, unless you're in the wealthy class, why would it bother anyone to see the little guy get ahead a bit and even better, off the welfare system.

Hell, one minute people are bitching about poverty and the next criticising a guy who doesn't want a huge spread between the classes and thereby labelling him a socialist.

We've never been totally socialist (nor would I want that), but one thing you can say for socialized medicine - no one in Canada has ever gone bankrupt from a catastrophic illness such as cancer.


Since when is it the Presidents job to narrow the gap between the classes?:crazy: In this country you have every opportunity to make yourself into whatever you want to be if you put forth the work. By Obama taxing that plumber he's taking away money that the plumber can use to grow his business.

And to me, unless you're in the wealthy class, why would it bother anyone to see the little guy get ahead a bit and even better

Why in the hell should I work hard to support my family or grow my business and have the goverment come in and say I'm making too much money and I need to give it to some crack head on the street? Tell the little guy to go out and earn his own way in the world.

[Inky-Winky]

Too bad that's what America wants, huh?

Hell. We might as well call ourselves France now. How blind and naive you liberals are.

[platinumblondelife]

Hell. We might as well call ourselves France now. How blind and naive you liberals are.
So if Obama wins its because America is full of blind liberals? Good to know!

And its YOUR Republican President who is nationalizing the banks...

[Inky-Winky]

So if Obama wins its because America is full of blind liberals? Good to know!

Glad to help you become enlightened.;)

And its YOUR Republican President who is nationalizing the banks...

Worst thing he could have done along with the $700 billon bailout. People seem to think that the gov. can stop an economy from going in cycles. It didn't work when FDR got involved and it's not working now. We were in the Great Depression for 12 years before it ended. FDR's New Deal didn't get us out. WW2 did. Hoover and FDR made it worse by interveening.

[Pus$y Galore]

Since when is it the Presidents job to narrow the gap between the classes?:crazy: In this country you have every opportunity to make yourself into whatever you want to be if you put forth the work. By Obama taxing that plumber he's taking away money that the plumber can use to grow his business.

And to me, unless you're in the wealthy class, why would it bother anyone to see the little guy get ahead a bit and even better

Why in the hell should I work hard to support my family or grow my business and have the goverment come in and say I'm making too much money and I need to give it to some crack head on the street? Tell the little guy to go out and earn his own way in the world.

Where did Obama say he'll give money to crackheads?

So, you're o.k. if a hardworking, single mother (and many have two jobs to keep their head and kids' heads above water) who's maybe even studying at college part-time gets breast cancer and has no proper medical coverage for her to go bankrupt and possibly even have to give up her children? Or worse yet, dies because she can't afford treatments? You don't think it's the President's job to ensure all Americans are treated equally and have equal access to good medical care without it killing them financially?

You'd be o.k. sleeping at night because you're not taxed at $400 a year more to help her and others like her out? Nice to know.

[Tweety]

Where did Obama say he'll give money to crackheads?

So, you're o.k. if a hardworking, single mother (and many have two jobs to keep their head and kids' heads above water) who's maybe even studying at college part-time gets breast cancer and has no proper medical coverage for her to go bankrupt and possibly even have to give up her children? Or worse yet, dies because she can't afford treatments? ...


..You don't think it's the President's job to ensure all Americans are treated equally and have equal access to good medical care without it killing them financially?

You'd be o.k. sleeping at night because you're not taxed at $400 a year more to help her and others like her out? Nice to know.

Hell no, it's not the President's job to ensure all Americans are treated equally and have equal access to good medical care without it killing them financially!

$400? Is that all you think someone's taxes will go up under Obama? Where the hell did you get THAT number?




It's also not the President's job to make college "affordable", but Obama thinks it is:

On Tuesday's Today show Andrea Mitchell highlighted John McCain's
struggles, as he was forced to campaign in "red states Republicans don't
usually have to defend," but when it came to Barack Obama, she promoted
Obama's soft side as she aired a clip of the Democratic nominee hugging a
tearful college student as she cooed: "During two days of campaigning in
Ohio, the nation's economic crisis got personal when Obama met a 19-year-
old nursing student named Hannah, already deep in debt with student loans."


Mitchell then followed that tease with the following back and forth
between Obama and the student:

HANNAH: I'm paying for school myself, so-
BARACK OBAMA: How much, how much you in debt?
HANNAH: Right now about $24,000 and I'm only 19.
OBAMA: Alright well we're gonna try to see if we can provide you some
relief, alright?
HANNAH: Yeah I need it because the grants aren't enough.
OBAMA HUGGING STUDENT: I know, I know! I appreciate it, c'mon. Nice to
meet you.
HANNAH: Thank you.



For cryin' out loud!! So how does Obama think he's gonna fix this? And it's liberals who run the education system anyway...Obama needs to blame THEM if someone can't afford to go to college...


Hey Hannah, ever hear of WORKING???? You'd think no one ever worked their way through college in this country... millions upon millions have done just that. Geez, what a bunch of WHINERS!

I haven't seen this video yet, so I'm not sure which school she was attending.

So Obama has this poor girl believing that he's gonna be able to put her through college!! Let's see if the MSM does a follow up story in 2-3 years to see how much Obama "helped" her.

[Inky-Winky]

Where did Obama say he'll give money to crackheads?

So, you're o.k. if a hardworking, single mother (and many have two jobs to keep their head and kids' heads above water) who's maybe even studying at college part-time gets breast cancer and has no proper medical coverage for her to go bankrupt and possibly even have to give up her children? Or worse yet, dies because she can't afford treatments? You don't think it's the President's job to ensure all Americans are treated equally and have equal access to good medical care without it killing them financially?

You'd be o.k. sleeping at night because you're not taxed at $400 a year more to help her and others like her out? Nice to know.

Crackheads meaning people who don't work and live off the government. I thought you'd be able to figure that out. My fault.

Damn right it's not the Presidents job. It's everyones personal responsiblity to take care of themselves. Go out and get an education instead having babies at a young age. Make something of yourself so you don't have to rely on the government. That is what this county was founded on.

[Dr. John Becker]

We've never been totally socialist (nor would I want that), but one thing you can say for socialized medicine - no one in Canada has ever gone bankrupt from a catastrophic illness such as cancer.

No, in Canada, you just die waiting to see a doctor. Canadians often come to America for medical treatment.

[Dr. John Becker]

Damn right it's not the Presidents job. It's everyones personal responsiblity to take care of themselves. Go out and get an education instead having babies at a young age. Make something of yourself so you don't have to rely on the government. That is what this county was founded on.


:clap

[catlover79]

The reason why Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac failed is because they were STUPID. Stupid and greedy - they knew full well those people couldn't pay those mortgages and loans. IDIOTS!!

[Pus$y Galore]

No, in Canada, you just die waiting to see a doctor. Canadians often come to America for medical treatment.


As do Americans with coming to Canada for treatment. In fact, there are more Americans coming to Canada per capita than the other way around.

We've been over this for years. Good to see you've learned nothing.

I started treatment for my brain tumour within 2 weeks of diagnosis and had I opted for surgery it would have been a week later. I don't think that's so bad.

[Pus$y Galore]

Crackheads meaning people who don't work and live off the government. I thought you'd be able to figure that out. My fault.

Damn right it's not the Presidents job. It's everyones personal responsiblity to take care of themselves. Go out and get an education instead having babies at a young age. Make something of yourself so you don't have to rely on the government. That is what this county was founded on.


Boy, if you aren't an Archie Bunker type! So ALL people who don't work and are forced to get help through government agencies are crackheads? Nothing like profiling all people under one heading. That's like saying ALL Republicans are gun totin', narrow-minded rich people - which of course, isn't true.

So people who'll be losing their homes from no fault of their own soon, who'll end up on the street are crackheads too. Or ones with mental illness or just plain sh*tass luck.

I wouldn't expect any Humanitarian of The Year awards anytime soon Inky.:rolleyes:

[Inky-Winky]

Boy, if you aren't an Archie Bunker type! So ALL people who don't work and are forced to get help through government agencies are crackheads? Nothing like profiling all people under one heading. That's like saying ALL Republicans are gun totin', narrow-minded rich people - which of course, isn't true.

So people who'll be losing their homes from no fault of their own soon, who'll end up on the street are crackheads too. Or ones with mental illness or just plain sh*tass luck.

I wouldn't expect any Humanitarian of The Year awards anytime soon Inky.:rolleyes:

No were just bitter people who cling to our religion and guns as Obama has said.

No fault of their own? Buying homes when they can't afford them and overspending isn't their fault? Whose fault is it then? Mine? Apparently because my tax dollars are being used to bailout these mortgages. Are you one of the ones who thinks the governemnt should be there from birth til death? Where is your pride in being able to do for yourself instead of sitting around waiting for the next governemnt check to come. Have some self respect and do for yourselves instead of having the government do for you.

"Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country"

Not anymore with the way the liberals are running the country.

[Inky-Winky]

The reason why Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac failed is because they were STUPID. Stupid and greedy - they knew full well those people couldn't pay those mortgages and loans. IDIOTS!!


It takes 2 to tango. Those people knew they couldn't afford those mortgages either yet they played the game also.

[Pus$y Galore]

No were just bitter people who cling to our religion and guns as Obama has said.

He might have said that, but I didn't

No fault of their own? Buying homes when they can't afford them and overspending isn't their fault? Whose fault is it then? Mine? Apparently because my tax dollars are being used to bailout these mortgages.

'Come on - again, a bit of an exaggeration here isn't it? When these mortgages were taken out, the economy wasn't so awful. How many people do you know who can buy a house with cash? Do you own your house (if you do even own) outright? Did you need a loan for it or pay with cash? Do you realize the percentage of people who could actually do that?


Are you one of the ones who thinks the governemnt should be there from birth til death? Where is your pride in being able to do for yourself instead of sitting around waiting for the next governemnt check to come. Have some self respect and do for yourselves instead of having the government do for you.

Hardly! Luckily, I've never required welfare and would do practically anything to never need it. I don't like it when it's abused. My brother once abused unemployment insurance and it made me sick. We don't even speak anymore. However, I've lost 2 jobs this year - no fault of my own - laid off due to the economy, but because I also needed a place to live quickly, I am thanking God and my country that I have unemployment insurance. I don't currently have extra medical benefits (contrary to what many Americans think, our system ISN'T fully socialist and we do need extra coverage for prescription drugs, etc.). I've spent $2800 so far this year, but again, am thankful to my country that I can claim that on my income tax. I won't get it all back, but some.
In the meantime, even with serious medical and personal issues, I'm actively looking for a job again.
My point being here, that people run into rough times - it's nobody's fault, but in order that I DON'T have to go on welfare, there are "liberal" as you call them, systems in place to help us ALL out from time to time.
So you mean that if you were to lose your home and job - or even just job, you wouldn't apply for unemployment insurance? You're THAT tough an American that you wouldn't want to use some of what you put into the system all the years you worked?




Not anymore with the way the liberals are running the country.

Aren't the Republicans still in power? What did I miss here? :confused:

[Inky-Winky]

[QUOTE=TripperFan]'Come on - again, a bit of an exaggeration here isn't it? When these mortgages were taken out, the economy wasn't so awful. How many people do you know who can buy a house with cash? Do you own your house (if you do even own) outright? Did you need a loan for it or pay with cash? Do you realize the percentage of people who could actually do that?

It had nothing to do with how well the economy was doing. Banks were forced to give subprime loans to people who couldn't aford it. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Try to keep up with current afairs before you try to act smart.



Hardly! Luckily, I've never required welfare and would do practically anything to never need it. I don't like it when it's abused. My brother once abused unemployment insurance and it made me sick. We don't even speak anymore. However, I've lost 2 jobs this year - no fault of my own - laid off due to the economy, but because I also needed a place to live quickly, I am thanking God and my country that I have unemployment insurance. I don't currently have extra medical benefits (contrary to what many Americans think, our system ISN'T fully socialist and we do need extra coverage for prescription drugs, etc.). I've spent $2800 so far this year, but again, am thankful to my country that I can claim that on my income tax. I won't get it all back, but some.
In the meantime, even with serious medical and personal issues, I'm actively looking for a job again.
My point being here, that people run into rough times - it's nobody's fault, but in order that I DON'T have to go on welfare, there are "liberal" as you call them, systems in place to help us ALL out from time to time.
So you mean that if you were to lose your home and job - or even just job, you wouldn't apply for unemployment insurance? You're THAT tough an American that you wouldn't want to use some of what you put into the system all the years you worked?:

I could care less about what you've been through. Preach it someone else.

I have no problem with people using unemployment or SS. But sitting around having baby after baby or collecting a check because they're too damn lazy to look for a job is BS






Aren't the Republicans still in power? What did I miss here? :confused:

Apparently alot. The democrats control congress. Keep trying.

[Pus$y Galore]

[QUOTE=TripperFan]




It had nothing to do with how well the economy was doing. Banks were forced to give subprime loans to people who couldn't aford it. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Try to keep up with current afairs before you try to act smart.





I could care less about what you've been through. Preach it someone else.

I have no problem with people using unemployment or SS. But sitting around having baby after baby or collecting a check because they're too damn lazy to look for a job is BS








Apparently alot. The democrats control congress. Keep trying.

(1) I know you could care less what I've been through, but I WAS just asking questions in certain cases here. You don't have to be so arrogant or rude and assume everyone knows everything about the American economy and politics - some of us could frankly care less too, other than that it does affect other economies down the road.

Yes - I don't fully know exactly what's been going on. From the news we're getting, it's sounds as though these people are losing their homes after years of having regular mortgages. How were these banks "forced" to give money and by whom? Whoever it was, to me, they're the ones at fault then.

Sorry - rather than being glued to CNN, Fox News and all the others, I was probably having radiaton blasted into my head, or hugging the porcelain afterwards - but I know - you could care less.

Again, I feel the same - no problem with people needing "socialist" assistance as long as they're not abusing it. So you shouldn't have a good thing for the sake of some who'll abuse it? That's not an argument - or nothing would ever get done. So you take measures (as Canada did to increase security with OHIP,etc.) to prevent abuse - of any system. Doesn't mean everyone abuses it. How negative can you be - reminds me of my brother. Has bitched about government since I can remember, yet I can never remembering him voting.

And again, I was asking a question. It's been a long time since I took the American political structure o.k.? I didn't realize that Congress had that much control and remembered something about the President having veto power over bills, laws, etc.. Sheesh - you're pretty touchy and come across arrogant to some people on these boards. Just because I'm Canadian, don't think I'm a "liberal" - again, maybe if we BOTH learned a bit about each other's governments there would be these ridiculously emotional posts.

[bronxgirl]

[QUOTE=TripperFan]




It had nothing to do with how well the economy was doing. Banks were forced to give subprime loans to people who couldn't aford it. Where have you been the last couple of weeks. Try to keep up with current afairs before you try to act smart.





I could care less about what you've been through. Preach it someone else.
I have no problem with people using unemployment or SS. But sitting around having baby after baby or collecting a check because they're too damn lazy to look for a job is BS


Who peed in your stew?..... And Oh at least the mothers didn't "murder the babies":rolleyes:,




Apparently alot. The democrats control congress. Keep trying.

A lot of Republicans backed it up too.

[bronxgirl]

double post

[Tweety]

The reason why Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac failed is because they were STUPID. Stupid and greedy - they knew full well those people couldn't pay those mortgages and loans. IDIOTS!!

They were greedy, that's undeniable.

However, we can't really say they were stupid, because they knew EXACTLY what the outcome of their policies would be. They knew better than anyone else that the mortgage-backed-securities they were selling were basically worthless. And they knew what the end result would be.

[catlover79]

They were greedy, that's undeniable.

However, we can't really say they were stupid, because they knew EXACTLY what the outcome of their policies would be. They knew better than anyone else that the mortgage-backed-securities they were selling were basically worthless. And they knew what the end result would be.
I guess what I meant to say was that they were stupid to think they could get away with it without paying the consequences. Sorry I didn't make that clear in my last post.