Misogyny I Won't Miss

[platinumblondelife]

As the Democratic nomination contest slouches toward a close, it's time to take stock of what I will not miss.

I will not miss seeing advertisements for T-shirts that bear the slogan "Bros before Hos." The shirts depict Barack Obama (the Bro) and Hillary Clinton (the Ho) and are widely sold on the Internet.

I will not miss walking past airport concessions selling the Hillary Nutcracker, a device in which a pantsuit-clad Clinton doll opens her legs to reveal stainless-steel thighs that, well, bust nuts. I won't miss television and newspaper stories that make light of the novelty item.

I won't miss episodes like the one in which liberal radio personality Randi Rhodes called Clinton a "big [expletive] whore" and said the same about former vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro. Rhodes was appearing at an event sponsored by a San Francisco radio station, before an audience of appreciative Obama supporters -- one of whom had promoted the evening on the presumptive Democratic nominee's official campaign Web site.

I won't miss Citizens United Not Timid (no acronym, please), an anti-Clinton group founded by Republican guru Roger Stone.

Political discourse will at last be free of jokes like this one, told last week by magician Penn Jillette on MSNBC: "Obama did great in February, and that's because that was Black History Month. And now Hillary's doing much better 'cause it's White Bitch Month, right?" Co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski rebuked Jillette.

I won't miss political commentators (including National Public Radio political editor Ken Rudin and Andrew Sullivan, the columnist and blogger) who compare Clinton to the Glenn Close character in the movie "Fatal Attraction." In the iconic 1987 film, Close played an independent New York woman who has an affair with a married man played by Michael Douglas. When the liaison ends, the jilted woman becomes a deranged, knife-wielding stalker who terrorizes the man's blissful suburban family. Message: Psychopathic home-wrecker, begone.

The airwaves will at last be free of comments that liken Clinton to a "she-devil" (Chris Matthews on MSNBC, who helpfully supplied an on-screen mock-up of Clinton sprouting horns). Or those who offer that she's "looking like everyone's first wife standing outside a probate court" (Mike Barnicle, also on MSNBC).

But perhaps it is not wives who are so very problematic. Maybe it's mothers. Because, after all, Clinton is more like "a scolding mother, talking down to a child" (Jack Cafferty on CNN).

When all other images fail, there is one other I will not miss. That is, the down-to-the-basics, simplest one: "White women are a problem, that's -- you know, we all live with that" (William Kristol of Fox News).

I won't miss reading another treatise by a man or woman, of the left or right, who says that sexism has had not even a teeny-weeny bit of influence on the course of the Democratic campaign. To hint that sexism might possibly have had a minimal role is to play that risible "gender card."

Most of all, I will not miss the silence.

I will not miss the deafening, depressing silence of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean or other leading Democrats, who to my knowledge (with the exception of Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland) haven't publicly uttered a word of outrage at the unrelenting, sex-based hate that has been hurled at a former first lady and two-term senator from New York. Among those holding their tongues are hundreds of Democrats for whom Clinton has campaigned and raised millions of dollars. Don Imus endured more public ire from the political class when he insulted the Rutgers University women's basketball team.

Would the silence prevail if Obama's likeness were put on a tap-dancing doll that was sold at airports? Would the media figures who dole out precious face time to these politicians be such pals if they'd compared Obama with a character in a blaxploitation film? And how would crude references to Obama's sex organs play?

There are many reasons Clinton is losing the nomination contest, some having to do with her strategic mistakes, others with the groundswell for "change." But for all Clinton's political blemishes, the darker stain that has been exposed is the hatred of women that is accepted as a part of our culture.

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thoughts?

[platinumblondelife]

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[platinumblondelife]

Well, I would like to say the criticism of Hillary Clinton has been disgustingly sexist imo. No one gets scrutinized for their wrinkles if they are men. Like Tina Fey said, Rush Limbaugh said Americans don't want to see their President turn into an old lady. But America didn't seem to mind when Ronald Reagan did that.

[I am Roboto]

I think Hillary has indeed been treated far worse in the media then her competitor. Whether that's a symptom of sexism or simply a reflection of the media's overwhelming pro-Obama bias I'm not sure, but the anti-Hillary sentiment is definitely there.

[platinumblondelife]

I think Hillary has indeed been treated far worse in the media then her competitor. Whether that's a symptom of sexism or simply a reflection of the media's overwhelming pro-Obama bias I'm not sure, but the anti-Hillary sentiment is definitely there.
Well, John McCain has overwhelmingly been the media favorite. But anyway, I do think it is sexism. Why is it ok to basically call Hillary Clinton, a respected former first lady and senator a bitch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BnA_uPz7d8

[OH Nuts!]

Well, John McCain has overwhelmingly been the media favorite. But anyway, I do think it is sexism. Why is it ok to basically call Hillary Clinton, a respected former first lady and senator a bitch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BnA_uPz7d8

I don't like any of the Hillary name calling and bashing either. To be perfectly honest I don't like it for ANY candidate, whether I support them or not. But some people, unf., really get off on this stuff, and have enough of a hatred/dislike of a candidate to create a market. Disheartening, really.

We all have politicians we like and DISLIKE. But even with the few politicians/political figures who repulse me, I try not to take shots. I just make sure I VOTE in every election and that I don't vote for them.

[Augustus McCrae]

Well, John McCain has overwhelmingly been the media favorite. But anyway, I do think it is sexism. Why is it ok to basically call Hillary Clinton, a respected former first lady and senator a bitch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BnA_uPz7d8


:lol: :lol:

Obama has been made out to be a choir boy by the media and you say that McCain has been the favorite?:crazy: You haven't heard anything about Wright, bitterness, his wife on any of the mainstream channels. The reason Hil is getting hammered by the mainstream media is because they want Obama to win.

[platinumblondelife]

:lol: :lol:

Obama has been made out to be a choir boy by the media and you say that McCain has been the favorite?:crazy: You haven't heard anything about Wright, bitterness, his wife on any of the mainstream channels. The reason Hil is getting hammered by the mainstream media is because they want Obama to win.
McCain is definitely the one who gets a free ride on almost everything.

Address the point: sexism.

[Augustus McCrae]

McCain is definitely the one who gets a free ride on almost everything.

Address the point: sexism.

Those blinders of yours must be getting pretty damn heavy by now.:crazy: :lol:


Screw your point.:happyface

[platinumblondelife]

Those blinders of yours must be getting pretty damn heavy by now.:crazy: :lol:


Screw your point.:happyface
You are so dumb. You can't have an intelligent conversation, whatsoever. Why is sexism permitted so heavily in society? Why are women treated with such disrespect, especially someone as respected as a first lady?

[Augustus McCrae]

You are so dumb. You can't have an intelligent conversation, whatsoever. Why is sexism permitted so heavily in society? Why are women treated with such disrespect, especially someone as respected as a first lady?


Quit your whining. You make it sound like we keep you in the kitchen and the bedroom all day and night.:crazy:

Speaking of disrepecting the First Lady, it sure didn't stop you from blasting her in some earlier threads. I guess it's only offensive when it's on your side. Loser.:crazy: :lol:

[platinumblondelife]

Quit your whining. You make it sound like we keep you in the kitchen and the bedroom all day and night.:crazy:

Speaking of disrepecting the First Lady, it sure didn't stop you from blasting her in some earlier threads. I guess it's only offensive when it's on your side. Loser.:crazy: :lol:
The only one who is a loser is you. Do you have a wife? A girlfriend?

Also, why is it that a woman talking about sexism is always "whining."

[Sterling Holobyte]

I personally don't think that this is a wide-spread symptom of sexism, especially here in America.
This is a narrower field called politics that we are talking about, and the opposing forces(right and left) are going to drag out whatever dirt they can use to make their candidate win. And most in the media love Obama and want him to win the nomination, and think he can win the election, so naturally they are going to go after Clinton, who was once their savior as well.

[platinumblondelife]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

[Augustus McCrae]

The only one who is a loser is you. Do you have a wife? A girlfriend?

I was hoping that you and me could "hook up!!":grineyes: :kiss: You seem "trainable!" :happyface

Also, why is it that a woman talking about sexism is always "whining."

Not always. Just when it comes to weak ass examples like you show. When it really is happening it loses it's volume because of false and weak accusations like yours.

[Augustus McCrae]

Hey plat....I noticed you got real quite when I threw this one at ya


Speaking of disrepecting the First Lady, it sure didn't stop you from blasting her in some earlier threads. I guess it's only offensive when it's on your side.


Why is that?:crazy:

[Family Fan]

Well, I would like to say the criticism of Hillary Clinton has been disgustingly sexist imo. No one gets scrutinized for their wrinkles if they are men. Like Tina Fey said, Rush Limbaugh said Americans don't want to see their President turn into an old lady. But America didn't seem to mind when Ronald Reagan did that.


Tina Fey is a four eyes. :lol: Just kidding, I wear glasses when I read. Actually, Billary was treated with kid gloves, till Obama came along. Worse than sexism, is the 'ageism' against McCain, who released detailed reports about his age, yet, the 'press that gives McCain a free ride', continues on painting him as 'doddering and old', cause of a couple of mistatements. When Obama said he had been to 57 states recently or talking to dead soldiers on memorial day, the 'MTV Real World' press gave him a pass. Reagan was often attacked, by the press, cause of age. If anything Billary is now a victim of the press they embraced, it couldn't happen to a 'nicer' lady. :wave:

[platinumblondelife]

Tina Fey is a four eyes. :lol: Just kidding, I wear glasses when I read. Actually, Billary was treated with kid gloves, till Obama came along. Worse than sexism, is the 'ageism' against McCain, who released detailed reports about his age, yet, the 'press that gives McCain a free ride', continues on painting him as 'doddering and old', cause of a couple of mistatements. When Obama said he had been to 57 states recently or talking to dead soldiers on memorial day, the 'MTV Real World' press gave him a pass. Reagan was often attacked, by the press, cause of age. If anything Billary is now a victim of the press they embraced, it couldn't happen to a 'nicer' lady. :wave:
The press may favor Obama over Hillary, but that doesn't explain why they have to make sexist attacks on her, such as covering her cleavage, her wrinkles, what she wears, how she laughs, or why she's a bitch for being aggressive. Where in the press has McCain been called doddering or old????????

The truth is that it is almost okay to be sexist in this country. Shirts that say "Life's a bitch, don't vote for one" were widely sold online. A person said on MSNBC that Hillary won in March BECAUSE IT WAS WHITE BITCH MONTH!!!! Hillary may have had a lot of mistakes in her campaign but the bias against women has made it clear that women have a hard time getting to positions of power in the U.S.!

[Augustus McCrae]

The press may favor Obama over Hillary, but that doesn't explain why they have to make sexist attacks on her, such as covering her cleavage, her wrinkles, what she wears, how she laughs, or why she's a bitch for being aggressive. Where in the press has McCain been called doddering or old????????

The truth is that it is almost okay to be sexist in this country. Shirts that say "Life's a bitch, don't vote for one" were widely sold online. A person said on MSNBC that Hillary won in March BECAUSE IT WAS WHITE BITCH MONTH!!!! Hillary may have had a lot of mistakes in her campaign but the bias against women has made it clear that women have a hard time getting to positions of power in the U.S.!

:lol:

Speaking of disrepecting the First Lady, it sure didn't stop you from blasting her in some earlier threads. I guess it's only offensive when it's on your side.

[platinumblondelife]

:lol:

Speaking of disrepecting the First Lady, it sure didn't stop you from blasting her in some earlier threads. I guess it's only offensive when it's on your side.
I'm not a CNN or MSNBC political analyst.

[Augustus McCrae]

I'm not a CNN or MSNBC political analyst.

No, you are just a hypocrit.;)

[Family Fan]

The press may favor Obama over Hillary, but that doesn't explain why they have to make sexist attacks on her, such as covering her cleavage, her wrinkles, what she wears, how she laughs, or why she's a bitch for being aggressive. Where in the press has McCain been called doddering or old????????

The truth is that it is almost okay to be sexist in this country. Shirts that say "Life's a bitch, don't vote for one" were widely sold online. A person said on MSNBC that Hillary won in March BECAUSE IT WAS WHITE BITCH MONTH!!!! Hillary may have had a lot of mistakes in her campaign but the bias against women has made it clear that women have a hard time getting to positions of power in the U.S.!


The press MAY favor Obama? I mean even the lefties on Saturday Night Live have picked up on that one. I'm surprised the press doesn't fall to it's knees and kiss Obama's hand. :lol: My problem with Senator Clinton, and she is my Senator here in NY, is her ideas, not her gender or her looks, same with Obama, that stuff means zero to me when it comes to ability to do a job. The problem is when it suits the Clintons and the Obamas of the world they bring up both gender and race, and when it's used against them, it's called 'sexism' and 'racism.' Well, sexism and racism cuts both ways, using race or gender to GAIN or to ATTACK is racism and sexism. You want to be treated the same as anyone else, then run on your merits, not what you happened to be born.

Where in the press has McCain been called a doddering old guy?? Are you serious? Example: I saw a post even here, about the Shia' and Shiite 'error' as well as one or two mistatements, questioning whether 'age' had something to do with it, but, when Obama claimed to be in '57' states and recently saw the 'dead' with him at Memorial Day, it was dismissed at his being 'tired' from constant campaigning. Truth is 'ageism' is much more prevelant than any other 'ism' today. Even with Hillary, the 'wrinkles' come up, more than she's a 'woman.'

The 'B*tch and Ho' T-Shirts were sold by Barak supporters, and is part and parcel of the 'Rap' culture, which is considered 'modern' and 'speaking the truth?' I won't defend MSNBC, the Barak supporter station, but, I've heard worse jokes about 'white boi's' and 'old geezers' just as often, if not more often. Truth is, and I have been around this world and was not born in the USA, trust me, you have not seen 'sexism' till you traveled to Africa,Middle East, Persia or Asia. In many parts of the world, women are no more than 'chattle.' I'm not saying this an excuse, just an observation. I grew up in a neighborhood of very strong, and old world type women, who could give so-called Feminists a lesson or two about what real strong women can do and have done for centuries in real 'patriarchal' societies.

I do agree that sexism exists, and I think it's wrong. I don't feel 'threatened' with a woman in charge, like any other person, what matters to me is what actions and policies are followed. I love women, after all, none of us would be here without them. :)

[Janice]

^ Family Fan, that is a wonderful post. I agree with its content, but as a moderator, I have to say that the tone of your post was right on target. Informative, witty and best of all, non-combative. This is what intellligent political debate looks like. :thumbsup:

[platinumblondelife]

The press MAY favor Obama? I mean even the lefties on Saturday Night Live have picked up on that one. I'm surprised the press doesn't fall to it's knees and kiss Obama's hand. :lol: My problem with Senator Clinton, and she is my Senator here in NY, is her ideas, not her gender or her looks, same with Obama, that stuff means zero to me when it comes to ability to do a job. The problem is when it suits the Clintons and the Obamas of the world they bring up both gender and race, and when it's used against them, it's called 'sexism' and 'racism.' Well, sexism and racism cuts both ways, using race or gender to GAIN or to ATTACK is racism and sexism. You want to be treated the same as anyone else, then run on your merits, not what you happened to be born.

Where in the press has McCain been called a doddering old guy?? Are you serious? Example: I saw a post even here, about the Shia' and Shiite 'error' as well as one or two mistatements, questioning whether 'age' had something to do with it, but, when Obama claimed to be in '57' states and recently saw the 'dead' with him at Memorial Day, it was dismissed at his being 'tired' from constant campaigning. Truth is 'ageism' is much more prevelant than any other 'ism' today. Even with Hillary, the 'wrinkles' come up, more than she's a 'woman.'

The 'B*tch and Ho' T-Shirts were sold by Barak supporters, and is part and parcel of the 'Rap' culture, which is considered 'modern' and 'speaking the truth?' I won't defend MSNBC, the Barak supporter station, but, I've heard worse jokes about 'white boi's' and 'old geezers' just as often, if not more often. Truth is, and I have been around this world and was not born in the USA, trust me, you have not seen 'sexism' till you traveled to Africa,Middle East, Persia or Asia. In many parts of the world, women are no more than 'chattle.' I'm not saying this an excuse, just an observation. I grew up in a neighborhood of very strong, and old world type women, who could give so-called Feminists a lesson or two about what real strong women can do and have done for centuries in real 'patriarchal' societies.

I do agree that sexism exists, and I think it's wrong. I don't feel 'threatened' with a woman in charge, like any other person, what matters to me is what actions and policies are followed. I love women, after all, none of us would be here without them. :)
MSNBC as well as CNN and Fox News have been guilty of saying sexist things though, especially when Hillary was a frontrunner and now. Yes, the media favors Obama. The media always has their favorites, it's almost impossible to be completely un-biased. The media always wants to see new people in office because it's a new storyline. I would say that Bush was the media favorite in 2000. But that's besides the point. The point is that many people do not recognize that sexism has had even A LITTLE to do with Hillary Clinton in the nomination process.

I just happen to believe that many men do not feel comfortable with a strong woman. Look at the sexist names I was called even here. Hillary has to get rid of her "bitchy image" because she's strong, or so says Neil Cavuto. No one says they don't want a female president, just like people don't say they have a problem with a black president, even if they do. No one says it. (BTW, I think age is a more legitimate issue because it may impair how a president does his work and his mind/body) But I do believe that Hillary even looking sternly at Obama got a lot of attention in a way that no male would have gotten.

When someone asked John McCain "How do we beat the bitch?" he didnt say anything about it. He just laughed. He did not reprimand the person who asked such a question. I just saw him saying Hillary Clinton is worthy of respect because of what that crazy Father who was at Obama's church said. He's full of ****, he had no "respect" for Hillary when she was called a bitch, he was yucking it up.

[Janice]

^ I'm sorry if I sound like a teacher grading papers here, lol, but this is another fantastic post. Non-confronational, informed, and interesting. Members who post on the politics board, on both sides of the political aisle, are intelligent and can write very well. I enjoy reading well-written posts, even those I disagree with. What a difference, all around.

[platinumblondelife]

^ I'm sorry if I sound like a teacher grading papers here, lol, but this is another fantastic post. Non-confronational, informed, and interesting. Members who post on the politics board, on both sides of the political aisle, are intelligent and can write very well. I enjoy reading well-written posts, even those I disagree with. What a difference, all around.
Thank you

[Janice]

Thank you
You're welcome. Your avatar is giving me a headache. :lol: j/k

[platinumblondelife]

You're welcome. Your avatar is giving me a headache. :lol: j/k
haha :)

[ABlairican Pie]

I don't think that Courtney is being "inconsistent" or "hypocritical" if she criticized Hillary in earlier posts and now attacks the mysogynist comments directed at her by the media.



Gee, Rush Limbaugh must be dizzy in that avatar. What's he spinning, Slayer? :D :crazy:

[Augustus McCrae]

I don't think that Courtney is being "inconsistent" or "hypocritical" if she criticized Hillary in earlier posts and now attacks the mysogynist comments directed at her by the media.



Gee, Rush Limbaugh must be dizzy in that avatar. What's he spinning, Slayer? :D :crazy:

Of course you wouldn't.:rolleyes: But I wasn't talking about Hillary. I was talking about her blasting away at Laura Bush. Plat expects the First Lady to be shown respect yet she is too immature to do it herself. Hypocrit.

[platinumblondelife]

Of course you wouldn't.:rolleyes: But I wasn't talking about Hillary. I was talking about her blasting away at Laura Bush. Plat expects the First Lady to be shown respect yet she is too immature to do it herself. Hypocrit.
Please do not name call with me. I would rather not go down to that level.

[Augustus McCrae]

Please do not name call with me. I would rather not go down to that level.

Oh goody. The new and improved platinumblondelife.:rolleyes: :lol: Truth hurts, doesn't it?!:happyface

You just make damn sure that none of those "you're ignorant", "your an idiot", "your dumb", "your stupid", don't come spewing out of your pie hole before you start instructing others on what to do.

[ABlairican Pie]

Oh goody. The new and improved platinumblondelife.:rolleyes: :lol: Truth hurts, doesn't it?!:happyface

You just make damn sure that none of those "you're ignorant", "your an idiot", "your dumb", "your stupid", don't come spewing out of your pie hole before you start instructing others on what to do.Your tone is getting rather obnoxious. How about if we just stick with the topic rather than being insulting to her? Is this how conservatives really debate?

[Augustus McCrae]

Your tone is getting rather obnoxious. How about if we just stick with the topic rather than being insulting to her? Is this how conservatives really debate?

I notice you never came running to my side when she was being "obnoxious" to me and others on here. Is this how liberals protect only their own?

[platinumblondelife]

Oh goody. The new and improved platinumblondelife.:rolleyes: :lol: Truth hurts, doesn't it?!:happyface

You just make damn sure that none of those "you're ignorant", "your an idiot", "your dumb", "your stupid", don't come spewing out of your pie hole before you start instructing others on what to do.
I find your tone very unfortunate. Why do you continue to attack me?

Your tone is getting rather obnoxious. How about if we just stick with the topic rather than being insulting to her? Is this how conservatives really debate?
Yes, it is very unfortunate. Now everyone can see who attempts to bring who down to their low standards.

[platinumblondelife]

I notice you never came running to my side when she was being "obnoxious" to me and others on here. Is this how liberals protect only their own?
That is past. Let us look toward the future.

[Augustus McCrae]

I find your tone very unfortunate. Why do you continue to attack me?

Gotta call'em as I see'em.:happyface


Yes, it is very unfortunate. Now everyone can see who attempts to bring who down to their low standards.

That's an oxymoron if there ever was one.:crazy: I'm a conservative. I can't bring you down. My way of thinking can only bring you up! You've already hit rock bottom by being a liberal.;) :p

[platinumblondelife]

Gotta call'em as I see'em.:happyface




That's an oxymoron if there ever was one.:crazy: I'm a conservative. I can't bring you down. My way of thinking can only bring you up! You've already hit rock bottom by being a liberal.;) :p
Okay, but let us stay on topic as I am certainly attempting to do.

Hillary is a strong woman. Why do people make fun of her wrinkles when no one make fun of men's? No one criticized John Kerry for having wrinkles. The sexism has been despicable in this campaign, as it is in general.

[Augustus McCrae]

Okay, but let us stay on topic as I am certainly attempting to do.

Hillary is a strong woman. Why do people make fun of her wrinkles when no one make fun of men's? No one criticized John Kerry for having wrinkles. The sexism has been despicable in this campaign, as it is in general.

You sure don't have a very long memory. Kerry was getting blasted for getting botox and having a fake-ass tan! If you are soooooo worried about the issues then why don't you quit worrying about all of this so-called sexism. It keeps dragging on because people like you won't drop it.:crazy:

[platinumblondelife]

You sure don't have a very long memory. Kerry was getting blasted for getting botox and having a fake-ass tan! If you are soooooo worried about the issues then why don't you quit worrying about all of this so-called sexism. It keeps dragging on because people like you won't drop it.:crazy:
No one talking about sexism helps sexism disappear exactly...how?

[Family Fan]

MSNBC as well as CNN and Fox News have been guilty of saying sexist things though, especially when Hillary was a frontrunner and now. Yes, the media favors Obama. The media always has their favorites, it's almost impossible to be completely un-biased. The media always wants to see new people in office because it's a new storyline. I would say that Bush was the media favorite in 2000. But that's besides the point. The point is that many people do not recognize that sexism has had even A LITTLE to do with Hillary Clinton in the nomination process.

I just happen to believe that many men do not feel comfortable with a strong woman. Look at the sexist names I was called even here. Hillary has to get rid of her "bitchy image" because she's strong, or so says Neil Cavuto. No one says they don't want a female president, just like people don't say they have a problem with a black president, even if they do. No one says it. (BTW, I think age is a more legitimate issue because it may impair how a president does his work and his mind/body) But I do believe that Hillary even looking sternly at Obama got a lot of attention in a way that no male would have gotten.

When someone asked John McCain "How do we beat the bitch?" he didnt say anything about it. He just laughed. He did not reprimand the person who asked such a question. I just saw him saying Hillary Clinton is worthy of respect because of what that crazy Father who was at Obama's church said. He's full of ****, he had no "respect" for Hillary when she was called a bitch, he was yucking it up.

Yeah, the media has it's 'favorites.' It's anyone who is on the Left. :lol: Bush was a 'media favorite' in 2000, you can write that after what was said and doen about the election and printing stories about DUI's and worse? OK

I don't believe age is an autmatic issue, that is ageism, just like saying that cause someone is black, it automatically means something. It's not legit. You don't reach such levels.

Now, you throw out someone asked McCain something about Hillary and they called her a b*tch and he laughed it off, so that means he has no respect for her? Where did you see this, some internet, You Tube hack job? McCain has shown no disprespect, matter of fact, I wish he was tougher.

[platinumblondelife]

Yeah, the media has it's 'favorites.' It's anyone who is on the Left. :lol: Bush was a 'media favorite' in 2000, you can write that after what was said and doen about the election and printing stories about DUI's and worse? OK

I don't believe age is an autmatic issue, that is ageism, just like saying that cause someone is black, it automatically means something. It's not legit. You don't reach such levels.

Now, you throw out someone asked McCain something about Hillary and they called her a b*tch and he laughed it off, so that means he has no respect for her? Where did you see this, some internet, You Tube hack job? McCain has shown no disprespect, matter of fact, I wish he was tougher.
What are you talking about? They made an issue out of almost everything Gore did in 2000.

Age is a bigger issue than being black. Being half black does not entail anything that would go along with a job. Age could because it has certain hindrances. Age brings down mental capacities and such. It's not a disqualifies but its definitely not the same as being black or being a woman.

If McCain had any credibility on being respectful toward Clinton, he would have said something to the woman who called her a bitch in front of him. So his "that kind of language about Senator Clinton is inappropriate" line about the Father whose despicable comments he criticized are a little hallow.

[Augustus McCrae]

No one talking about sexism helps sexism disappear exactly...how?

What you call sexism is called politics. It's all fair game and if you get your feelings hurt over it, then get out. You don't seem to care about the age issue being fair game. Whether it could be looked at as an issue(which is weak) it never has stopped you from cracking jokes about it. Go find a real issue to cry "sexism" over. What you are doing is making harder for a real issue of it to be taken seriously.:rolleyes:

[platinumblondelife]

What you call sexism is called politics. It's all fair game and if you get your feelings hurt over it, then get out. You don't seem to care about the age issue being fair game. Whether it could be looked at as an issue(which is weak) it never has stopped you from cracking jokes about it. Go find a real issue to cry "sexism" over. What you are doing is making harder for a real issue of it to be taken seriously.:rolleyes:
The fact is people like you do not want to talk about sexism and it won't change. The gender of a person is a lot different from age because sex wouldn't hinder the way you do your job. Yes, it's politics but the fact that it hadn't even been discussed in this campaign until recently is something that does need to be addressed. People should not be making disparaging remarks about women on tv who are not even involved in a campaign.

[Augustus McCrae]

The fact is people like you do not want to talk about sexism and it won't change. The gender of a person is a lot different from age because sex wouldn't hinder the way you do your job. Yes, it's politics but the fact that it hadn't even been discussed in this campaign until recently is something that does need to be addressed. People should not be making disparaging remarks about women on tv who are not even involved in a campaign.

It's the fact that people like you cry "sexism", racism" or any other kind of "ism" when there is nothing there. You are reaching and you are making your self look foolish by crying wolf. Find someother issue to try and promote because this is a weak one.:crazy: :lol:

I don't hear you calling for your KKK buddy Robert Byrd to get out of the Senate. Why is that? Oh, that's right. He a dem.:rolleyes: :crazy:

[Family Fan]

It's the fact that people like you cry "sexism", racism" or any other kind of "ism" when there is nothing there. You are reaching and you are making your self look foolish by crying wolf. Find someother issue to try and promote because this is a weak one.:crazy: :lol:

I don't hear you calling for your KKK buddy Robert Byrd to get out of the Senate. Why is that? Oh, that's right. He a dem.:rolleyes: :crazy:

Speaking of age affecting people, the incoherent, blubbering of Byrd recently was a sure sign that this man should not be in the Senate. But, all this is ignored, cause he's a democrat. The funny, and not so funny, thing is that Byrd was in a Civil War play, a few years back, playing a confederate and talking about White 'N***ERS!' The truth is that the 'Right' in this country only have five guys on radio and a center-right cable station FOX News, and even those are under constant attack. They have to build an entertainment/academic/media machine like the Left has done since the 1960's, or you will one day see the USA as a one-party Socialist state.

[Family Fan]

What are you talking about? They made an issue out of almost everything Gore did in 2000.

Age is a bigger issue than being black. Being half black does not entail anything that would go along with a job. Age could because it has certain hindrances. Age brings down mental capacities and such. It's not a disqualifies but its definitely not the same as being black or being a woman.

If McCain had any credibility on being respectful toward Clinton, he would have said something to the woman who called her a bitch in front of him. So his "that kind of language about Senator Clinton is inappropriate" line about the Father whose despicable comments he criticized are a little hallow.


I'm talking about reality, %85 of the press voted for Al, took his side in the 'Recount.' To this day, their Hollywood buddies are making movies about how 'they' were robbed in 2000? Remember?


At one time, being 'black' was considered many things that had nothing to do with skin, and women were 'weaker.' This is just as not true, as getting older is automatically a 'hindrence.' I bet 90+ year old Jack La Lane is in better mental capacity than 50 year old Ozzy Ozbourne.;)

You keep mentioning this woman who called Hillary a 'bitch' in front of McCain, and I have no idea what or where this happened? Is this some You Tube/ Huffington Post nonsense? I think McCain has been way too respectful to a woman who called him Alfred E. Nueman, from MAD magazine. BTW, Hillay is only ten years younger than John, why is her 'health' not discussed?

[ABlairican Pie]

I bet 90+ year old Jack La Lane is in better mental capacity than 50 year old Ozzy Ozbourne.;)

Actually, Ozzy will be turning 60 this December, but yeah, even ten years ago, Jack LaLane was a total Mensa Society material than Mr. "Prince Of Dorky Mental Darkness On Reality TV" Osbourne. :crazy:

[platinumblondelife]

You keep mentioning this woman who called Hillary a 'bitch' in front of McCain, and I have no idea what or where this happened? Is this some You Tube/ Huffington Post nonsense?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l6Nt5ADY7ug

[Augustus McCrae]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l6Nt5ADY7ug

But if she's a bitch then so be it!:lol: :lol:

[platinumblondelife]

But if she's a bitch then so be it!:lol: :lol:
Strong woman does not = bitch. I know it's hard for some men to understand that but if a man called ME a bitch to my face...it would be over.lol.

[Augustus McCrae]

Strong woman does not = bitch. I know it's hard for some men to understand that but if a man called ME a bitch to my face...it would be over.lol.

Too bad I can't see you face to face then. Like I said, if it fits.....;) :lol:

[platinumblondelife]

Too bad I can't see you face to face then. Like I said, if it fits.....;) :lol:
You will not call me a bitch here or if I saw you face to face, if you knew what was good for you. ":lol: ;)"

[Augustus McCrae]

You will not call me a bitch here or if I saw you face to face, if you knew what was good for you. ":lol: ;)"

I'd tell it to you straight in your face. You would bow down and accept the fact that it's true.:happyface :lol:

[dlemond]

In the "Thread Being Locked" pool, I got 6:38 pm.

[platinumblondelife]

I'd tell it to you straight in your face. You would bow down and accept the fact that it's true.:happyface :lol:
You would not to my face and you will not here. Find some respect.

[Augustus McCrae]

You would not to my face and you will not here. Find some respect.

I would do it the very first time I saw! Wouldn't hesitate one bit. Like I said before, if it fits......:p

Can't find respect for someone who doesn't have any or deserve it.

[dlemond]

In the "Thread Being Locked" pool, I got 6:38 pm.

I meant 6:38 pm on June 5.

Yeah, that's it.

;)

[platinumblondelife]

I would do it the very first time I saw! Wouldn't hesitate one bit. Like I said before, if it fits......:p

Can't find respect for someone who doesn't have any or deserve it.
Oh, trust me, no you wouldn't. Because you won't on here.

I deserve respect. Someone who calls a woman a bitch because they don't like her does not.

[Augustus McCrae]

Oh, trust me, no you wouldn't. Because you won't on here.

I deserve respect. Someone who calls a woman a bitch because they don't like her does not.


Oh, trust me, yes I would. I won't on here because it would get me in trouble. I'll be more than happy to do it in a PM or an e-mail. Whatever you want.

Me giving you respect has nothing to do with me liking you(which....I don't:p ). It has to do with your beliefs, your way of thinking, and your assine comments. You may think you deserve respect but respect is earned not given because some immature little girl believes she deserves it.:crazy: :lol:

[Family Fan]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l6Nt5ADY7ug


So, it is You Tube.:(

[platinumblondelife]

Oh, trust me, yes I would. I won't on here because it would get me in trouble. I'll be more than happy to do it in a PM or an e-mail. Whatever you want.

Me giving you respect has nothing to do with me liking you(which....I don't:p ). It has to do with your beliefs, your way of thinking, and your assine comments. You may think you deserve respect but respect is earned not given because some immature little girl believes she deserves it.:crazy: :lol:
Stop the name calling, please.

Why exactly would I need to earn your respect? You should respect people who don't know and not resort to name calling.

[Augustus McCrae]

Stop the name calling, please.

I haven't called you a name. I told you I wouldn't call you that on here. Way to spin it. That's a gooooood liberal!:crazy:

Why exactly would I need to earn your respect? You should respect people who don't know and not resort to name calling.

:lol: :lol: Who are you to make the rules as to who and how I should respect someone. Just like your party. Always wanting to tell us what's good for us instead of us making up our own minds.

[platinumblondelife]

I haven't called you a name. I told you I wouldn't call you that on here. Way to spin it. That's a gooooood liberal!:crazy:



:lol: :lol: Who are you to make the rules as to who and how I should respect someone. Just like your party. Always wanting to tell us what's good for us instead of us making up our own minds.
People who are mature do not have to call someone they are debating an "immature little girl" to get their point across.

Off topic: What is your resentment toward Marilyn Monroe...?

[Augustus McCrae]

People who are mature do not have to call someone they are debating an "immature little girl" to get their point across.

:rolleyes: Preaching again, as usual. Once again, who are you to make the rules.:crazy:

Off topic: What is your resentment toward Marilyn Monroe...?

Just don't like her.

[platinumblondelife]

:rolleyes: Preaching again, as usual. Once again, who are you to make the rules.:crazy:



Just don't like her.
Can I ask why?

[*ClassicPinUp*]

Just don't like her.
:(

[ABlairican Pie]

:rolleyes: Preaching again, as usual. Once again, who are you to make the rules.:crazy:



Just don't like her.Why would you dislike a woman who died before I was even born?? :confused:

[ABlairican Pie]

Why would you dislike a woman who died a few months before I was even born?? :confused:

[Augustus McCrae]

Can I ask why?

Sure thing. Ask away.....

[Augustus McCrae]

Why would you dislike a woman who died before I was even born?? :confused:

What the hell does her dying before you were born have to do with anything.:crazy: Ohhh. I see. This is more of that liberal mindset that no one but a liberal can understand.:lol:

[ABlairican Pie]

What the hell does her dying before you were born have to do with anything.:crazy: Ohhh. I see. This is more of that liberal mindset that no one but a liberal can understand.:lol:Okay, let me rephrase that: Why would you dislike a woman who died over 45 years ago? And I don't know about this knee-jerk use of "liberal mindset" gets thrown into the picture. Sometimes I think you have these severe issues with alleged liberalism. Like it's "liberal-phobia" or something. I'm just asking a simple question.

[Augustus McCrae]

Okay, let me rephrase that: Why would you dislike a woman who died over 45 years ago? And I don't know about this knee-jerk use of "liberal mindset" gets thrown into the picture. Sometimes I think you have these severe issues with alleged liberalism. Like it's "liberal-phobia" or something. I'm just asking a simple question.

The liberal mindset gets thrown in because of the way you people think. Just like the rephrased question. What does it matter if she died 45 years ago or if she died yesterday have to do with whether I like or dislike her?:crazy:

[platinumblondelife]

The liberal mindset gets thrown in because of the way you people think. Just like the rephrased question. What does it matter if she died 45 years ago or if she died yesterday have to do with whether I like or dislike her?:crazy:
There is no reason to dislike her other than the fact that she was a very liberal woman who slept with The Kennedy's. She was a remarkable woman who is worthy again of that thing called "respect." Do you know what she went through all of her life?

[Augustus McCrae]

There is no reason to dislike her other than the fact that she was a very liberal woman who slept with The Kennedy's. She was a remarkable woman who is worthy again of that thing called "respect."

Once again you seem to think that you make the rules as to who gets respect and who doesn't and why a person should like her and why they shouldn't. Get over your "holier than thou" liberal complex. I can dislike her for many other reasons than what you have listed but the reasons you listed are good enough. The fact that you listed that she should be dislike because she was a liberal woman is flat out hilarious!!!:lol: You took a shot at your own party!:lol: :lol:

Do you know what she went through all of her life?

Could care less.

[platinumblondelife]

Once again you seem to think that you make the rules as to who gets respect and who doesn't and why a person should like her and why they shouldn't. Get over your "holier than thou" liberal complex. I can dislike her for many other reasons than what you have listed but the reasons you listed are good enough. The fact that you listed that she should be dislike because she was a liberal woman is flat out hilarious!!!:lol: You took a shot at your own party!:lol: :lol:



Could care less.
I was saying for you the only reason is that she's a liberal woman and she slept with the Kennedy's.

What reason do you give for disliking her?

[Augustus McCrae]

I was saying for you the only reason is that she's a liberal woman and she slept with the Kennedy's.

What reason do you give for disliking her?

Marilyn was a pill popping empty head who got tossed around like a football. I don't respect women like that. Hard to respect someone who had it all in her hands yet threw it all away for the high off a drug. She was pretty at one time but at the end looked like the drugged out loser that she was. Men didn't even want her anymore. She was dumped, one by one. Big problem for the Kennedys too since she liked to yack when she was on pills and booze, which was all the time. You have your heroes and I'll have mine.

[platinumblondelife]

Marilyn was a pill popping empty head who got tossed around like a football. I don't respect women like that. Hard to respect someone who had it all in her hands yet threw it all away for the high off a drug. She was pretty at one time but at the end looked like the drugged out loser that she was. Men didn't even want her anymore. She was dumped, one by one. Big problem for the Kennedys too since she liked to yack when she was on pills and booze, which was all the time. You have your heroes and I'll have mine.
Marilyn, fyi, was very intelligent. She had a very high IQ. The Marilyn act that she had to put on was just that--an act. If you actually read about her and her life as I have since I was a little girl, you would know she was an outstanding poet and she loved great works of literature.

I don't think an "empty head" would have enjoyed books like
How Stanislavsky Directs by Michael Gorchakov
Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
Ulysses by James Joyce
A Farewell to Arms by Ernest Hemingway
Paris Blues by Harold Flender
The Life And Work of Sigmund Freud by Ernest Jones
The Saviours Of God: Spiritual Exercises by Nikos Kazantzakis
Why I Am Not A Christian by Bertrand Russell
Das Kapital by Karl Marx.

Among many, many others, which would take too long for me to list.

Those are all among the books that she read that she's been seen reading, mentioned and were in her collection. She was also very much into politics. Everyone who knew her talks about that; there was a 60 Minutes special over it maybe 5 years ago. I think your crass characterization of her as an "empty head" is ignorant in that you really do not know much about her other than that she slept around, which for women only is somehow a "no no."

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e379/edwardhenry/weblog/myrtias/54175261_1d021e96a6.jpg

Oh, and maybe you would be "pill popping" if you could at all relate to the kind of childhood that she had.

[Augustus McCrae]

Marilyn, fyi, was very intelligent. She had a very high IQ. The Marilyn act that she had to put on was just that--an act. If you actually read about her and her life as I have since I was a little girl, you would know she was an outstanding poet and she loved great works of literature.

I don't think an "empty head" would have enjoyed books like
How Stanislavsky Directs by Michael Gorchakov
Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
Ulysses by James Joyce
A Farewell to Arms by Ernest Hemingway
Paris Blues by Harold Flender
The Life And Work of Sigmund Freud by Ernest Jones
The Saviours Of God: Spiritual Exercises by Nikos Kazantzakis
Why I Am Not A Christian by Bertrand Russell
Das Kapital by Karl Marx.

Among many, many others, which would take too long for me to list.

Those are all among the books that she read that she's been seen reading, mentioned and were in her collection. She was also very much into politics. Everyone who knew her talks about that; there was a 60 Minutes special over it maybe 5 years ago. I think your crass characterization of her as an "empty head" is ignorant in that you really do not know much about her other than that she slept around, which for women only is somehow a "no no."

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e379/edwardhenry/weblog/myrtias/54175261_1d021e96a6.jpg

Oh, and maybe you would be "pill popping" if you could at all relate to the kind of childhood that she had.

I could care less if she was a phd in physics. She chose the road she followed by becoming a druggy. Sucks for her. Had everything to live for yet wasted it on pills. You make it sound that because she had a bad childhood that we should feel sorry for her. BS. Many have had hard lives and were able to over come them. She had looks, a successful career, any man she wanted, yet killed herself at a young age. No sympathy for her.

[ABlairican Pie]

I could care less if she was a phd in physics. She chose the road she followed by becoming a druggy. Sucks for her. Had everything to live for yet wasted it on pills. You make it sound that because she had a bad childhood that we should feel sorry for her. BS. Many have had hard lives and were able to over come them. She had looks, a successful career, any man she wanted, yet killed herself at a young age. No sympathy for her.So much for the whole "compassionate conservative" oxymoron. :rolleyes:

The reasons why persons take the route of drug and chemical dependency are complex. It seems little too simplistic to say "she took drugs, she was a druggie, she died. Tough luck." Also not to mention that that's a gratuitous bit of schadendfreude. Why should one's own personal lapses and failures taint a person's entire career and legacy?


Speaking of which, I know of a certain heavy user of alcohol and cocaine who went on to become a very powerful Republican political figure in the past ten years. You wouldn't want to badmouth that particular figure, now would you? ;)

[platinumblondelife]

I could care less if she was a phd in physics. She chose the road she followed by becoming a druggy. Sucks for her. Had everything to live for yet wasted it on pills. You make it sound that because she had a bad childhood that we should feel sorry for her. BS. Many have had hard lives and were able to over come them. She had looks, a successful career, any man she wanted, yet killed herself at a young age. No sympathy for her.
Why do you have to be so crass?! The woman is dead. She didn't just have a bad childhood, she had an adulthood where she was used by everyone around her and never knew what it was like to be loved when she was younger.

[Augustus McCrae]

So much for the whole "compassionate conservative" oxymoron. :rolleyes:

The reasons why persons take the route of drug and chemical dependency are complex. It seems little too simplistic to say "she took drugs, she was a druggie, she died. Tough luck." Also not to mention that that's a gratuitous bit of schadendfreude. Why should one's own personal lapses and failures taint a person's entire career and legacy?


Speaking of which, I know of a certain heavy user of alcohol and cocaine who went on to become a very powerful Republican political figure in the past ten years. You wouldn't want to badmouth that particular figure, now would you? ;)
Would you be


That's more of a question to ask yourself. Why are you such a hypocrite when it comes to drugs? Rush became addicted to pills after surgery, as many people do, famous or otherwise. Marilyn's drug use was recreational, same as so many of those rock stars that you idolize. :happyface :lol:

[Augustus McCrae]

Why do you have to be so crass?! The woman is dead. She didn't just have a bad childhood, she had an adulthood where she was used by everyone around her and never knew what it was like to be loved when she was younger.

If she was soooo smart like you say then she shouldn't have let herself get used. Why is it that just because you are dead people are supposed to walk on egg shells when it comes to that person. She was a screw up while alive. Being dead doesn't change that fact. There is no reason that everyone should all of the sudden have to say what a great person she was when she wasn't.:crazy:

[platinumblondelife]

If she was soooo smart like you say then she shouldn't have let herself get used. Why is it that just because you are dead people are supposed to walk on egg shells when it comes to that person. She was a screw up while alive. Being dead doesn't change that fact. There is no reason that everyone should all of the sudden have to say what a great person she was when she wasn't.:crazy:
Marilyn never felt loved by anyone. You have to understand the feeling that that can have on someone as a child not to feel any love. As an adult, she did not know anything about how to be treated, it's hard to know that if you've grown up not being treated well the way she was. The way many people are who grow up in those environments.

[Augustus McCrae]

Marilyn never felt loved by anyone. You have to understand the feeling that that can have on someone as a child not to feel any love. As an adult, she did not know anything about how to be treated, it's hard to know that if you've grown up not being treated well the way she was. The way many people are who grow up in those environments.


Soooo because she never felt "loved by anyone" that is a reason to become a junky and kill yourself??? How about have a little more respect for yourself and take responsibility for your actions. What a waste of a life. And there was one who loved her more than anything. The great Joe DiMaggio. Quit making excuses for her. She chose her own path and suffered for it.

[ABlairican Pie]

That's more of a question to ask yourself. Why are you such a hypocrite when it comes to drugs? Rush became addicted to pills after surgery, as many people do, famous or otherwise. Marilyn's drug use was recreational, same as so many of those rock stars that you idolize. :happyface :lol:No matter. Rush said that drug abusers should be thrown into prison. So what's the difference between those who "accidentally" become addicted and those who "recreationally" use them?
Wouldn't you think that they would find some pleasure out of becoming addicted? Are you really so sure that Marilyn Monroe did it out of "getting kicks"? Or is that because she was an entertainer that this was how she found her "entertainment"?

Funny I wasn't even referring to Mr. Limbaugh in the above post. For a second, I was almost thinking you were referring to one of my top favorite bands in the world. :cool:

I don't idolize certain rock musicians because of their copious drug intake, but because of their musicianship. I'm sad that many are no longer with us because of their abuse of drugs, and others whose livelihoods are seriously because of their past consumption. If all performers in music or in movies, or in arts and literature, were to be dismissed because of their substance abuse issues, we wouldn't have much to listen to, watch, or read.

[Fleet]

No matter. Rush said that drug abusers should be thrown into prison. So what's the difference between those who "accidentally" become addicted and those who "recreationally" use them?
Wouldn't you think that they would find some pleasure out of becoming addicted? Are you really so sure that Marilyn Monroe did it out of "getting kicks"? Or is that because she was an entertainer that this was how she found her "entertainment"?

I'm not sure, but I think Rush said that abusers of illegal drugs should be thrown into prison.

[Fleet]

Speaking of which, I know of a certain heavy user of alcohol and cocaine who went on to become a very powerful Republican political figure in the past ten years. You wouldn't want to badmouth that particular figure, now would you? ;)
Would you be
Where is your source that he used cocaine?

[platinumblondelife]

Soooo because she never felt "loved by anyone" that is a reason to become a junky and kill yourself??? How about have a little more respect for yourself and take responsibility for your actions. What a waste of a life. And there was one who loved her more than anything. The great Joe DiMaggio. Quit making excuses for her. She chose her own path and suffered for it.
Again, you show how truly ignorant you are. You do know that people who never experience love as a child suffer tremendously, do you not? Do you not know that people who do not experience love often have problems worse than even Marilyn had? I'm guessing your childhood was just like Father Knows Best, so you would not know anything about what you're talking about.

[Augustus McCrae]

Again, you show how truly ignorant you are. You do know that people who never experience love as a child suffer tremendously, do you not? Do you not know that people who do not experience love often have problems worse than even Marilyn had? I'm guessing your childhood was just like Father Knows Best, so you would not know anything about what you're talking about.

So everyone that didn't have love as a child is going to turn out like Monroe??? You, once again, show how shallow minded you are. Just because your hero was weak and had no respect for herself does not mean the others will turn out like her. You seem to always want to focus on the "oh poor little me. I was sooo mistreated and I need to be taken care of" instead of the many that make something of their lives when a struggle comes into their lives. You are the perfect definition of a liberal. Always wanting to help and take care of someone in crisis instead of giving them the means to overcome it themselves.:crazy:

[Hollow]

:lol: oh geez, the music board of 2002 is back.

[ABlairican Pie]

You are the perfect definition of a liberal. Always wanting to help and take care of someone in crisis instead of giving them the means to overcome it themselves.:crazy:
Gee, how Nietzschean. Sounds like right out the pages of Ayn Rand.

[Augustus McCrae]

Gee, how Nietzschean. Sounds like right out the pages of Ayn Rand.

Oh, how dramatic you are.:crazy: I didn't know that you needed the governement to take care of you from birth til death. For someone who constantly posts anti-American crap I'm suprised that you'd rely on the government for anything.

[ABlairican Pie]

Oh, how dramatic you are.:crazy: I didn't know that you needed the governement to take care of you from birth til death. For someone who constantly posts anti-American crap I'm suprised that you'd rely on the government for anything.What does "anti-American" mean?


For a person who has a low view of people who suffer from drug addiction, you seem to be some sort of Pharisaical person who wants to preach at them rather than help them. "They made their bed, now they've got to lie in it." Everyone's got some problems of some sort. You must surround yourself with such perfect people with no problems to speak of.

So why are drugs this sort of "unpardonable sin" among hardcore conservatives?

[Augustus McCrae]

What does "anti-American" mean?

anti-American - (noun) ABlairican Pie, platinumblondelife. ;) :lol:


For a person who has a low view of people who suffer from drug addiction, you seem to be some sort of Pharisaical person who wants to preach at them rather than help them. "They made their bed, now they've got to lie in it." Everyone's got some problems of some sort. You must surround yourself with such perfect people with no problems to speak of.

I'm not preaching at them at all. If they bring their drug addiction on themselves then why should I have to waste my tax dollars on them to make themselves better?? If they get addicted from being on a prescribed medication(as long as they don't use it for recreational use) then I have no problem with helping them. It's pretty simple that even you libs should be able to figure it out.:crazy:

So why are drugs this sort of "unpardonable sin" among hardcore conservatives?

See above. Why are drugs so "who give a ****" with liberals? With the exception of Rush Limbaugh, of course.

[platinumblondelife]

Your picture of Marilyn and the caption you have of her is still vile and you still fail to be at all understanding of anyone who has been raised much differently than you. Disgusting.

[Augustus McCrae]

Your picture of Marilyn and the caption you have of her is still vile and you still fail to be at all understanding of anyone who has been raised much differently than you. Disgusting.

Marilyns picture is vile???:lol: :lol: Why? Because she actually looks like everyone else and not some made up Barbie doll?:lol:

[ABlairican Pie]

Marilyns picture is vile???:lol: :lol: Why? Because she actually looks like everyone else and not some made up Barbie doll?:lol:I need to find that picture of Rush Limbaugh inhaling a ham sub sandwich with an Oxycontin chaser.

[platinumblondelife]

Marilyns picture is vile???:lol: :lol: Why? Because she actually looks like everyone else and not some made up Barbie doll?:lol:
No, Marilyn is beautiful. Your caption is disgusting.

[Augustus McCrae]

No, Marilyn is beautiful. Your caption is disgusting.

That's not what you said though.

Your picture of Marilyn and the caption you have of her is still vile :lol: :lol:

I guess your av making fun of Rush is all fine and dandy with you but we damn sure better not make fun of Marilyn!:crazy: Can you say the word hypocrite??:lol:

[Fleet]

anti-American - (noun) ABlairican Pie, platinumblondelife. ;) :lol:

This concerns me... you claim that ABlairican Pie and Platinumblondelife are anti-American and they haven't denied or challenged what you said!
:eek:

[ABlairican Pie]

This concerns me... you claim that ABlairican Pie and Platinumblondelife are anti-American and they haven't denied or challenged what you said!
:eek:I asked Augustus Caesar what is defined as "anti-American", and he just used me and platinumblonde as examples. He still hasn't explained as to why he thinks we're some dirty commie pinko rats.

Is it because we're critical of Bush? Well, in just six months, Bush will be out of office and back in Crawford, and Obama--err, another occupant will be in the White House. Will it be "anti-American" to criticize him then? And what if it became criminal and anti-American to criticize any sitting president?

[Fleet]

I asked Augustus Caesar what is defined as "anti-American", and he just used me and platinumblonde as examples. He still hasn't explained as to why he thinks we're some dirty commie pinko rats.

I guess that kind of makes sense. Still, if I were called "anti-American," I would certainly make it a big issue and deny it.


Is it because we're critical of Bush? Well, in just six months, Bush will be out of office and back in Crawford, and Obama--err, another occupant will be in the White House. Will it be "anti-American" to criticize him then? And what if it became criminal and anti-American to criticize any sitting president?

Definitely not. I criticize him, too. Over valid issues like spending too much and not closing the border. Not over inaccurate claims of "taking away people's rights," though.

[platinumblondelife]

This concerns me... you claim that ABlairican Pie and Platinumblondelife are anti-American and they haven't denied or challenged what you said!
:eek:
Big deal. He's probably one of those people who wanted to change the name of French fries to freedom fries 6 years ago.

[platinumblondelife]

That's not what you said though.

Your picture of Marilyn and the caption you have of her is still vile :lol: :lol:

I guess your av making fun of Rush is all fine and dandy with you but we damn sure better not make fun of Marilyn!:crazy: Can you say the word hypocrite??:lol:
Rush Limbaugh is a loser who didn't get breast fed enough as a baby and was made fun of during HS. My av didn't make fun of Rush Limbaugh it just showed him. I didn't make any comments about him.

[ABlairican Pie]

I guess that kind of makes sense. Still, if I were called "anti-American," I would certainly make it a big issue and deny it.

Well, I just hadn't had time to make a rebuttal.




Definitely not. I criticize him, too. Over valid issues like spending too much and not closing the border. Not over inaccurate claims of "taking away people's rights," though.Woah-ho-ho, that makes you anti-American!! YOU just criticized Bush!! :nonono: ;) How are the claims of taking
away rights inaccurate? Our Constitution guarantees due process of law and freedom of not making incriminating statements against oneself, etc. Many have criticized Bush for preventing detained persons from legally challenging his assertions that they are "terrorists" in court, that once he says "you are a terrorist" and deserve to be treated as such, there is no way you can fight it.

Was there something wrong with this country ever since the Bill of Rights was introduced providing legal options for its citizens not to be incriminated for the past 200 years until Bush "corrected" it by making his own executive fiats the "law of the land"? "What I say, goes--I'M the Decider!!" One can no longer know of the charges against them, no one can fight it in court, no one can maintain their innocence. We should know better than to mess with the mighty Bush.


Anyone ever read "The Trial" by Franz Kafka?

[ABlairican Pie]

Big deal. He's probably one of those people who wanted to change the name of French fries to freedom fries 6 years ago.Yeah, and bring on the freedom toast, freedom vanilla ice cream, AND the FREEDOM KISSING!!! :liplick: :grineyes:

[Augustus McCrae]

Rush Limbaugh is a loser who didn't get breast fed enough as a baby and was made fun of during HS. My av didn't make fun of Rush Limbaugh it just showed him. I didn't make any comments about him.

What the hell do you think Marilyn is(er...was)? She was a cheap little skank that went from Kennedy to Kennedy and God know how many other men. Then she OD's on pills. Her name ought to be under the definition of loser!:lol:

[Augustus McCrae]

Yeah, and bring on the freedom toast, freedom vanilla ice cream, AND the FREEDOM KISSING!!! :liplick: :grineyes:


Sounds good to me!! You're finally starting to come around!:lol:

[Augustus McCrae]

Well, I just hadn't had time to make a rebuttal.

?

You. With a rebuttal?:lol: This is the most you've ever responded back to a thread, ever!! You're more of a hit and run poster. You post you "ANTI-AMERICAN" threads and then you just run away until you find another one. I believe on your Tyranny thread Fleet and benjamoon asked you about how we should be protecting America yet you ran away from that thread.:crazy: :lol: :lol:

[Fleet]

Well, I just hadn't had time to make a rebuttal.

There is still time!


How are the claims of taking
away rights inaccurate?

What rights have been taken away? I can still do what I did 10 or 20 years ago.

Our Constitution guarantees due process of law and freedom of not making incriminating statements against oneself, etc. Many have criticized Bush for preventing detained persons from legally challenging his assertions that they are "terrorists" in court, that once he says "you are a terrorist" and deserve to be treated as such, there is no way you can fight it.

Our Constitution applies to American citizens. It does not apply to captured detainees, terrorists or prisoners-of-war. The Germans and Japanese we captured during WWII did not have any Constitutional rights.

Was there something wrong with this country ever since the Bill of Rights was introduced providing legal options for its citizens not to be incriminated for the past 200 years until Bush "corrected" it by making his own executive fiats the "law of the land"? "What I say, goes--I'M the Decider!!" One can no longer know of the charges against them, no one can fight it in court, no one can maintain their innocence. We should know better than to mess with the mighty Bush.

Anyone ever read "The Trial" by Franz Kafka

As was asked before, how would you fight terrorism and prevent terroirst attacks? Would you wiretap overseas phone calls (which is not illegal, btw)?

[platinumblondelife]

What the hell do you think Marilyn is(er...was)? She was a cheap little skank that went from Kennedy to Kennedy and God know how many other men. Then she OD's on pills. Her name ought to be under the definition of loser!:lol:
No, that should be you.

Back to the topic, why is it that her having sex with different men makes her a skank, but men who do it are never called skanks?

[ABlairican Pie]

You. With a rebuttal?:lol: This is the most you've ever responded back to a thread, ever!! You're more of a hit and run poster. You post you "ANTI-AMERICAN" threads and then you just run away until you find another one. I believe on your Tyranny thread Fleet and benjamoon asked you about how we should be protecting America yet you ran away from that thread.:crazy: :lol: :lol:You haven't responded to what makes me and Platinumblonde "anti-American".

That is a big question as to how to protect Americans while providing civil and human rights at the same time. One thing I just realized is that over 200 years ago, when America was still young and vulnerable to attacks from Britain or any other European empire, we still knew how to defend ourselves AND provide the Bill of Rights. We did not sacrifice civil liberties or human rights for the sake of national security. That's what makes America, America.

[Fleet]

That is a big question as to how to protect Americans while providing civil and human rights at the same time. One thing I just realized is that over 200 years ago, when America was still young and vulnerable to attacks from Britain or any other European empire, we still knew how to defend ourselves AND provide the Bill of Rights. We did not sacrifice civil liberties or human rights for the sake of national security. That's what makes America, America.
Did the Bill of Rights apply to the thousands of Americans of Japanese descent who were forced into internment camps by Franklin Roosevelt during WWII? Would you say that their civil liberties or human rights violated?

[Augustus McCrae]

No, that should be you.

Weak.


Back to the topic, why is it that her having sex with different men makes her a skank, but men who do it are never called skanks?

Since when did this become the topic?:crazy: When you finally realized that you have no clue as to what you are talking about??:lol:

[Augustus McCrae]

You haven't responded to what makes me and Platinumblonde "anti-American"..


When you get to the point that you actually start responding to some responses that we post about the BS that you post, then you might actually have some sort of arguement for me answering anything that you ask.

That is a big question as to how to protect Americans while providing civil and human rights at the same time. One thing I just realized is that over 200 years ago, when America was still young and vulnerable to attacks from Britain or any other European empire, we still knew how to defend ourselves AND provide the Bill of Rights. We did not sacrifice civil liberties or human rights for the sake of national security. That's what makes America, America.

I'll ask you again for the 3rd time. When is that case of civil liberties being violated going to court? Don't ever seem to hear about that one yet you seem to find these far fetching stories off your liberal wacko sites that say it's happening.:crazy:

And back in those days that you talk about, they would never have a Gitmo where they are treated better than they are in their own country. They would just shoot them on site that way they're isn't any lawsuits or liberals crying about the rights of terrorists.

[ABlairican Pie]

When you get to the point that you actually start responding to some responses that we post about the BS that you post, then you might actually have some sort of arguement for me answering anything that you ask.It isn't just fair enough to answer why me and Platinumblonde are "anti-American"? So I might not be so readily forthcoming with responses, okay, I'll admit that. Yeah, what I say is BS?
Well, it's a lot better than slamming people left and right with "you're just a wacko liberal", and all this namecalling, etc., and not provide actual arguments of your own. That's the way wacko conservatives do it.



I'll ask you again for the 3rd time. When is that case of civil liberties being violated going to court? Don't ever seem to hear about that one yet you seem to find these far fetching stories off your liberal wacko sites that say it's happening.:crazy:

And back in those days that you talk about, they would never have a Gitmo where they are treated better than they are in their own country. They would just shoot them on site that way they're isn't any lawsuits or liberals crying about the rights of terrorists.I'm sure there are plenty of suits going on right now going on against Bush. I'd have to look them up. Why would you say these are far-fetched "liberal wacko sites"? Many of the authors are respected commentators--and not all of them are liberal.

I'm sure they would shoot. I'd have to find out the provisions they made for
such persons. John Adams was all about promoting the Alien and Sedition Acts and ran into problems with Thomas Jefferson about it. But would they have denied people the right to a fair trial, haebes corpus, etc., if they were so accused? That's not what America was about.

[Augustus McCrae]

That's the way wacko conservatives do it..

Hypocrite.:lol: :lol:


I'm sure there are plenty of suits going on right now going on against Bush. I'd have to look them up. Why would you say these are far-fetched "liberal wacko sites"? Many of the authors are respected commentators--and not all of them are liberal..

Then find some. You made the claim. Find them.

I'm sure they would shoot. I'd have to find out the provisions they made for
such persons. John Adams was all about promoting the Alien and Sedition Acts and ran into problems with Thomas Jefferson about it. But would they have denied people the right to a fair trial, haebes corpus, etc., if they were so accused? That's not what America was about.

What you seem to be missing is that the people we are holding are not American citizens and don't fall under our constituion. They are also not part of any army in this world so they do not fall under the Genueva convention. To hell with any terrorist that would blow themselves up along with innocent men, women and children!

[ABlairican Pie]

What you seem to be missing is that the people we are holding are not American citizens and don't fall under our constituion. They are also not part of any army in this world so they do not fall under the Genueva convention. To hell with any terrorist that would blow themselves up along with innocent men, women and children!
U.S. violates detainee rights in Guantanamo, top court says

By Rex Nutting
Last update: 10:52 a.m. EDT June 12, 2008Comments: 13

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Bush administration is violating the rights of prisoners being held indefinitely and without charges at the U.S. base in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, the Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 vote. The detainees have the right to challenge their imprisonment in U.S. courts, the justices said. It was the third time the court has ruled against the Bush administration's unlawful detention of foreigners at Guantanamo. In his majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy said the U.S. Constitution applies even in "extraordinary times." In a dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia said the ruling would "almost certainly" cost some Americans their lives in the nation's war against "radical Islamists."

[Augustus McCrae]

U.S. violates detainee rights in Guantanamo, top court says

By Rex Nutting
Last update: 10:52 a.m. EDT June 12, 2008Comments: 13

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Bush administration is violating the rights of prisoners being held indefinitely and without charges at the U.S. base in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, the Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 vote. The detainees have the right to challenge their imprisonment in U.S. courts, the justices said. It was the third time the court has ruled against the Bush administration's unlawful detention of foreigners at Guantanamo. In his majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy said the U.S. Constitution applies even in "extraordinary times." In a dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia said the ruling would "almost certainly" cost some Americans their lives in the nation's war against "radical Islamists."

Not good enough. You have been implying that American citizens are losing ther liberties. Not worthless POS terrorists who should have been shot on site. Still waiting on that court case.

[platinumblondelife]

Weak.




Since when did this become the topic?:crazy: When you finally realized that you have no clue as to what you are talking about??:lol:
The question is sexism and I'm trying to understand why it's ok to call women skanks if they sleep with so many men, but men are never referred to in that way, in fact its mostly applauded.

[ABlairican Pie]

In regards to your comments of Marilyn Monroe being a "pill-popping skank", Mr. Augustus Caesar, I am reminded of "A Child's Christmas In Wales" by Dylan Thomas. It's supposed to be holiday classic piece of literature written decades ago that is loved by all. Now does the fact that Dylan Thomas was a notorious alcoholic who died from his addictions make him any less of a worthy writer?

[Augustus McCrae]

In regards to your comments of Marilyn Monroe being a "pill-popping skank", Mr. Augustus Caesar, I am reminded of "A Child's Christmas In Wales" by Dylan Thomas. It's supposed to be holiday classic piece of literature written decades ago that is loved by all. Now does the fact that Dylan Thomas was a notorious alcoholic who died from his addictions make him any less of a worthy writer?

Who said anything about how that person goes about and handles their profession?:crazy: Look at all of your drugged out heros of rock and roll. Tons of great music has come out of the minds of the wasted junkies that you idolize. Putting yourself in that situation is what makes that person a waste. Is this the best that you can come up with?:lol:

[ABlairican Pie]

Who said anything about how that person goes about and handles their profession?:crazy: Look at all of your drugged out heros of rock and roll. Tons of great music has come out of the minds of the wasted junkies that you idolize. Putting yourself in that situation is what makes that person a waste. Is this the best that you can come up with?:lol:If they come out with great music, then their lives are not such a waste, now, are they?

Which rock stars that I idolize are "drugged out"? Or is that just a blanket statement about rock and roll musicians?

[Augustus McCrae]

If they come out with great music, then their lives are not such a waste, now, are they?

Typical liberal spin.:crazy: Gee. I wonder how many of them end up broke, in rehab or dead because of their drug use that they imposed on themselves.

Which rock stars that I idolize are "drugged out"? Or is that just a blanket statement about rock and roll musicians?

You tell me.