And The Back To You Rating Was...

[Brian Damage]

...The conclusion of "American Idol," 16.5/24, and the return of "Back to You," 7.5/11, kept FOX in the lead at 9 p.m.

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings022608,0,1467017.story

[Janice]

I'll take it! I never thought it would go off the charts in numbers. It's not that kind of show. Still, it looks like it kept its audience after the long break.

[Brian Damage]

I'll take it! I never thought it would go off the charts in numbers. It's not that kind of show. Still, it looks like it kept its audience after the long break.


I'm a little disappointed by that number, but like you said, it isn't that type of show. I wonder though, what it did in terms of millions?

[Sonia]

I'm a little disappointed by that number, but like you said, it isn't that type of show. I wonder though, what it did in terms of millions?

They did 12.33 million and a 4.5/11 share.

I'm a bit disappointed too but I'm not surpprised as the show has been off air for such a long time after only 7 original episodes and Fox didn't advertize it at all this time around. Plus they keep changing the air dates and now they'll send them on hiatus till April. No wonder viewers have trouble tuning in or keeping up with the show.

I wouldn't compare it to Til' Death - yes, they had a better retention out of AI last year but they had been on air much longer and didn't have that long hiatus like BTY had because of the strike.

[Janice]

They did 12.33 million and a 4.5/11 share.

I'm a bit disappointed too but I'm not surpprised as the show has been off air for such a long time after only 7 original episodes and Fox didn't advertize it at all this time around. Plus they keep changing the air dates and now they'll send them on hiatus till April. No wonder viewers have trouble tuning in or keeping up with the show.

I wouldn't compare it to Til' Death - yes, they had a better retention out of AI last year but they had been on air much longer and didn't have that long hiatus like BTY had because of the strike.
Hey Felix. :wave:

I love that 12.33 number! I think for a comedy on Fox, that's pretty good.

[Pavan]

12.15 million in finals:

Time Program HH/Share, Total Viewers, A18-49 Rating/Share, A25-54 Rating/Share
8:00PM AMERICAN IDOL 7-TUES 16.0/24, 28.59, 11.1/27, 12.3/28
9:30PM BACK TO YOU-TUES 7.4/11, 12.15, 4.4/11, 5.1/11

As a note, American Idol's 9pm half-hour was just under 30 million.

[Scoobiedoo30]

it sure was good to see Back To You back on

[Sonia]

Hey guys what do you think of this:

Once-promising sitcom returns behind the Fox hit

By Diego Vasquez
Feb 27, 2008



“American Idol” saved “’Til Death” last year. Can “Back to You” also get an “Idol” reprieve?

The first-year Fox comedy returned to the air after several months away last night at 9:30 p.m. with the first of two new episodes. The second airs tonight. The episodes were filmed before the writers’ strike shut down production back in December and smartly scuttled away for a post-strike return.

They air after two 90-minute editions of “Idol,” which will undoubtedly be the two top shows of the week among total viewers and adults 18-49.

The question for “You” is how much “Idol” will pump its ratings, and whether that will be enough to earn a second season for the low-rated but promising sitcom.

“You” has averaged a 2.3 adults 18-49 rating this season, ranking No. 100 on broadcast. That’s not a great average, but with the writers’ strike disrupting viewing patterns and schedules for months, the show won’t be judged on that number.

Rather, it will be evaluated on potential, and it seems to have plenty.

With leads Kelsey Grammer (“Frasier”) and Patricia Heaton (“Everybody Loves Raymond”), the show has two of the most talented comedians on television. And while the show’s over-the-top jokes sometimes feel stale, there’s promise in Grammer and Heaton’s chemistry and the fairly unique conceit of the show, set at a mid-market local TV news station.

Should “You” perform well the next two nights, and continue to show improvement when it returns with a month’s worth of originals Wednesdays at 8:30 p.m. starting April 16, the show will almost certainly return next year.

Last year “Death” showed similar potential during a limited “Idol” engagement, and this year it’s one of the few programs that saw its audience grow, albeit slightly, before the strike.

Source: media life magazine

[Brian Damage]

Hey guys what do you think of this:

The question for “You” is how much “Idol” will pump its ratings, and whether that will be enough to earn a second season for the low-rated but promising sitcom.

“You” has averaged a 2.3 adults 18-49 rating this season, ranking No. 100 on broadcast. That’s not a great average, but with the writers’ strike disrupting viewing patterns and schedules for months, the show won’t be judged on that number.

Rather, it will be evaluated on potential, and it seems to have plenty.



Interesting read, I think the show still has lots of potential. I just hope they can advertise the heck out of it in April when it returns. Even though it has been following 'AI' these last couple of days, there was hardly any advertising for it.

[JulieSomoski]

Both episodes did around the same - just over 12 million. I, as well, was a bit disappointed when I first saw those numbers. But, when you think about it, it's almost doulbe of what it was doing in the fall, which is not bad at all. Without much promotion from FOX, I"d say these 2 episodes did pretty well.

FOX should have definitely advertised it more. I didn't see a single ad promoting the Tuesday night episode except during the Tuesday night AI.

[Scoobiedoo30]

I enjoyed watching both Tuesday and Wednesday Night of Back To You on FOX

[Brian Damage]

I enjoyed watching both Tuesday and Wednesday Night of Back To You on FOX


I'm glad you enjoyed the episodes Aaron. :)

[Janice]

Both episodes did around the same - just over 12 million. I, as well, was a bit disappointed when I first saw those numbers. But, when you think about it, it's almost doulbe of what it was doing in the fall, which is not bad at all. Without much promotion from FOX, I"d say these 2 episodes did pretty well.

FOX should have definitely advertised it more. I didn't see a single ad promoting the Tuesday night episode except during the Tuesday night AI.
I agree. Promotion is key. I was pleased with the numbers, but what do I know, lol. I don't think anyone in their right mind expected BTY to retain all of AI's viewers. That's not logical at all. I can't imagine why the show wouldn't be renewed. I mean, what does FOX expect, 18 million viewers? :crazy: They got a nice show on their hands, with very respectable numbers. I hate people. I have no idea where that came from. :lol:

[Brian Damage]

I hate people. I have no idea where that came from. :lol:


:lol:

I am with you there Janice. ;)

[stevea]

It's a great show, with a great mix of comedy and 'kind of' serious. I really liked the dialog between Chuck and Gracie at the bar. And we would think Kelly would go ballistic seeing them there..but no!

[Brian Damage]

It's a great show, with a great mix of comedy and 'kind of' serious. I really liked the dialog between Chuck and Gracie at the bar. And we would think Kelly would go ballistic seeing them there..but no!

:welcome: to the boards!

[Stuck In The '70's]

It's a great show, with a great mix of comedy and 'kind of' serious. I really liked the dialog between Chuck and Gracie at the bar. And we would think Kelly would go ballistic seeing them there..but no!
She was too busy needing a drink. :lol:

[Stuck In The '70's]

I don't know what Fox expects from BTY. They have very few sitcoms on their schedule so its hard to schedule it but this is one of the best shows on tv. It's the only sitcom that I watch every week. And this is coming from someone that didn't care for Frasier ( although I liked Kelsey Grammer) and didn't watch ELR all the time either. It probably would have fit better on CBS but Fox really wanted it and they should do whatever it takes to give it a chance. I mean they gave a second season to Til Death and that show didn't really deserve it. Here's hoping BTY returns for a full second season. :).

[Sonia]

I don't know what Fox expects from BTY. They have very few sitcoms on their schedule so its hard to schedule it but this is one of the best shows on tv. It's the only sitcom that I watch every week. And this is coming from someone that didn't care for Frasier ( although I liked Kelsey Grammer) and didn't watch ELR all the time either. It probably would have fit better on CBS but Fox really wanted it and they should do whatever it takes to give it a chance. I mean they gave a second season to Til Death and that show didn't really deserve it. Here's hoping BTY returns for a full second season. :).

AMEN to that :cool:

[JulieSomoski]

All I've been hearing about this show is that it's in trouble of getting a second season renewal. You've got to be kidding me. This is a great show that has a lot of potential. Why get all worked up about it not being renewed when it has a great chance of being renewed?

BTW, did anyone see on the blog for Sunday how Pavan put this show under the OK category. Both airings were the top sitcoms for the week, yet he put it under just OK-LOL

[Stuck In The '70's]

All I've been hearing about this show is that it's in trouble of getting a second season renewal. You've got to be kidding me. This is a great show that has a lot of potential. Why get all worked up about it not being renewed when it has a great chance of being renewed?

BTW, did anyone see on the blog for Sunday how Pavan put this show under the OK category. Both airings were the top sitcoms for the week, yet he put it under just OK-LOL
BTY get's no respect. LOL

[Brian Damage]

BTY get's no respect. LOL

Maybe when it gets Lost numbers, it will get respect. Wait, I think it does. Wait's for DVR speech. :bored:

[JulieSomoski]

Maybe when it gets Lost numbers, it will get respect. Wait, I think it does. Wait's for DVR speech. :bored:

:lol: Lost gets all the hype and all the attention, yet it only manages the same ratings as a "struggling" sitcom-LOL.

[Pavan]

Yes, it did 12.15 million for both airings...which is good of course, but you have to look at various other factors. American Idol both times was just under 30 million in the 9pm half-hour, losing nearly 18 million from its lead-in is not good at all. That is why it didn't get the great status for the week as Two and a Half Men and Old Christine. I didn't say it did bad, or I would have put it in the bad category with Carpoolers (so am I biased Brian?). 'Til Death last year in the same slot did much better than Back to You. Yes, it aired more after Idol (5-6 times or so), but the first two airings did 15-16 million or so (it at least held more than 50% of its lead-in, as Back to You did NOT...you can check my blog archives, and see 'Til Death got in the great category for those weeks last year). 'Til Death never got below 13 million in any of those airings after Idol. And Idol was nearly identical in the 9pm half-hour on those dates to this year. What I have noticed is that Back to You skews older. 'Til Death skews younger. So that could be a factor. 'Til Death would be a better show to air after American Idol, not Back to You.
Now if Back to You can do 12.15 million or anything even close to that on its own after this, it will certainly be in the great category. Pre-Idol viewers will certainly help that in April since it will air 8:30.

And roseanne, Two and a Half Men repeat did better at 12.2 million for the week.

And Brian, this is about sitcoms, not dramas. If you read the blog like 2,000 other people a day then you would know. Don't talk about something if you don't know or have seen anything about.

[Sonia]

Yes, it did 12.15 million for both airings...which is good of course, but you have to look at various other factors. American Idol both times was just under 30 million in the 9pm half-hour, losing nearly 18 million from its lead-in is not good at all. That is why it didn't get the great status for the week as Two and a Half Men and Old Christine. I didn't say it did bad, or I would have put it in the bad category with Carpoolers (so am I biased Brian?). 'Til Death last year in the same slot did much better than Back to You. Yes, it aired more after Idol (5-6 times or so), but the first two airings did 15-16 million or so (it at least held more than 50% of its lead-in, as Back to You did NOT...you can check my blog archives, and see 'Til Death got in the great category for those weeks last year). 'Til Death never got below 13 million in any of those airings after Idol. And Idol was nearly identical in the 9pm half-hour on those dates to this year. What I have noticed is that Back to You skews older. 'Til Death skews younger. So that could be a factor. 'Til Death would be a better show to air after American Idol, not Back to You.
Now if Back to You can do 12.15 million or anything even close to that on its own after this, it will certainly be in the great category. Pre-Idol viewers will certainly help that in April since it will air 8:30.

And roseanne, Two and a Half Men repeat did better at 12.2 million for the week.

And Brian, this is about sitcoms, not dramas. If you read the blog like 2,000 other people a day then you would know. Don't talk about something if you don't know or have seen anything about.

I think you're forgetting a little factor called "the writers' strike."

Now i agree with everything you say about the fact that it should have done better. BUT, comparing it to the numbers that 'Til death did last year it's not that fair and you know that...right...I didn't really follow the first season of 'Til Death, because IMHO it was owful, but if I'm not mistaken FOX promotions of the show airing after AI were all over the place and Brad Garret was in almost every talk show on air as well as on AI itself. And, their airings were not disrupted by the strike. What episode aired after AI their 17th, 18th I don't remember now? And airing (5-6 times or so) after AI is an important factor. It gives the show the opportunity to gain momentum. 'Til death got it and returned with a much improved second season.

How many promos of BTY did you watch before Tuesday 26? Only one, the previous Tuesday during AI. Also, two of the stars promoted the show on two talk shows. What episode aired after a forced four month hiatus? The 8th. How much time did they have to build momentum and get the audience to even remember what show that was? Seven episodes that aired four months ago. Does that count for anything?

Don't get me wrong numbers are numbers, but sometimes interpreting them might involve a lot of factors and something called "good old spin". See, I can spin it too ;)


And...please don't get this personally... it's just business ;)

[Brian Damage]

:yeahthat:

[Brian Damage]

Don't talk about something if you don't know or have seen anything about.

You're right that I don't read your blog. I can get faster and unbiased news and reviews, etc., at other sites around the Internet. I wouldn't read a blog if the main owner/editor/contributor favored CBS, NBC, FOX or any other network. I won't make an exception for one that favors ABC. A good analogy would be is how many liberals won't watch FOX News because they claim it tilts right, while many conservatives steer clear of CNN because they say it tilts left. There's nothing wrong with having a favorite network, but I don't want to read a blog that's coordinated by someone who's wild over any network, above all others. I want it straight, fair and balanced.

[Pavan]

The blog is about news...not my opinions, if you read it, you'd know. The only opinion I throw in are for the mini DVD reviews on Saturdays and the weekly ratings analysis on Sundays.

Shows how much you know, because the basis of the news blog tends to favor classic TV and sitcom acquisitions.

So if you feel you can get news elsewhere, that is fine...don't spam our message boards with articles from other websites. Some of the stuff is very gossipy. Yeah, Billy Ray Cyrus deleting Lohan's number is so about Hannah Montana.

[Brian Damage]

The blog is about news...not my opinions, if you read it, you'd know. The only opinion I throw in are for the mini DVD reviews on Saturdays and the weekly ratings analysis on Sundays.

Shows how much you know, because the basis of the news blog tends to favor classic TV and sitcom acquisitions.

So if you feel you can get news elsewhere, that is fine...don't spam our message boards with articles from other websites. Some of the stuff is very gossipy. Yeah, Billy Ray Cyrus deleting Lohan's number is so about Hannah Montana.

Spam? I post articles, just as other members do. Chit Chat's sub-forums are about the latest happenings in the movie and music world. I'm basing your blog, for one thing, on roseanne88's post about how you stated that BTY as okay, when it was a top rated show. I can live without that. You can't deny that ABC is your favorite network. If BTY was on ABC, you'd be hyping it.

[Pavan]

If you read what I said and not listen second hand you would see what I said about it. And why does ABC come on this? This has nothing to do with ABC. Back to You was not impressive for the week. That is a fact. Losing 18 million from its lead-in and holding less than 40% of its lead-in is NOT impressive worthy. I didn't put it in the terrible category..it was in the OK category. Did Berman put both airings in his Today's Winners list? No.

So I'm biased about ABC on the blog, eh? Why was Carpoolers placed in the bad section then? I look at the numbers, lead-ins, and other factors in determining the analysis. We have gotten lots of emails on how much people like the Sunday weekly ratings. It has even been posted on other blogs.

I don't think Hannah Montana fans want to know why Miley's dad or if his dad deleted Lohan's number on her cell phone. That is tabloid stuff.

[Brian Damage]

What do you know what people want to read? It was newsworthy enough that Ryan Seacrest asked him about it, and People printed it. I post articles, and TJ has commented that he's thankful that I do it. Listen Pav, I'm not getting into it again with you. Anyone with eyes can see that you favor ABC. That's why I don't read your blog. End of story. You've still got your other 2,000 daily readers.

[Pavan]

Funny thing the blog is not about ABC, you're assuming stuff. You think just because on the boards I post about how I like ABC I bring it to the blog. If you actually read it, you'd know, because you're making a fool of yourself here with assumptions.

You do the same for Fox on the boards. It always comes back to the ABC argument, you have no other argument.

[Sonia]

Miley Cyrus is on Back to you :crazy:

That's right, I got confused because we start one discussion and then someone goes all over the place. I don't know what Brian posts in other threads but Pavan if you don't like them just reply to those posts don't bring those issues here. It gets very confusing :confused: .


Can we please stay on the issue here? As far as I remember we were discussing Back to you ratings. You expressed your opinion, we expressed ours... If there's nothing else to say PLEASE MOVE ON.

[Pavan]

So why is he bringing up ABC then? That is what he always brings up when this has nothing to do with ABC. I stated the reasons why Back to You was listed in the OK sitcoms of the week rather than impressive.

[Stuck In The '70's]

This strike has really hurt BTY's momentum. I can't believe we have to wait till next month for a new episode. Also I would have liked to see more episodes after AI. I can't stand that show but at least it can serve a pupose by helping shows I do like. :lol:

[JulieSomoski]

God, I miss one day on this board and look what happens :D

For one thing, I still disagree with you, Pavan, about placing BTY in the OK category. The show was the SECOND highest rated show of the week, twice. So what if it lost that much from it's leadin? You can't expect Back to You, which you previously stated brought in a much older audience than AI, which brings in some of the youngest audience on broacast television, to hold all of AI's leadin. The fact that Back to You did almost double of what it used to do BACK IN NOVEMBER says something for the show. It also stayed very steady from Tuesday to Wednesday in the ratings and demos. It definitely deserved to be in the GREAT section more than Old Christine did, which only gets it's ratings because of Men.

Since we're all analyzing info here, I'll point this out. Back to You was doing much better in it's first 8 pre-strike episodes of the fall than Til Death was doing the season before. BTY had a shaky start, sure, but it slowly kept gaining momentum each week, and was up to well over 7 million by the time the strike hit it. Then, when it came back on the 26th and 27th, nearly 3 months since its last episode, getting 12.15 million was great in my opinion.

Another thing, New Amsterdam this week got just a little more on Tuesday night than Back to You did, which means it lost about the same audience that BTY did the week before. The Moment of Truth also just got a little more than Back to You did on Wednesday night. Obviously neither show could hold the leadin, either.

[TJ]

I'm closing this thread. We can't discuss ratings here without unrelated comments. We aren't going down that road again. Been there, done that.