This is TV Land's explanation for why It's not the Network it was 10 years ago

[TVFactFan]

TV Rep on the Message Boards stated that TV Land is now a Classic TV Network only because of the reasons below

1. Classic TV Network only wouldn't be able to keep the network afloat

2.Lot of Advertisers and Cab;e/Satellite Providers required that TV Land air more original programming so the network could be saved

3. TV Land can now survive as a Cable network with a combination of original programming, New vintage programming and movies



LOL, thoughts anyone?

[Dean Winchester]

it's sad that networks see ratings as something better than being true to themselves. Thank god you see some musicians who won't sell out and work with an emo/hip hop producer because it would guarentee more sales.

If you can't be true to yourself, who the hell are you going to be true to? Nick At Nite shows how crazy they are because they'd rather get 3 million viewers, and 10 million who bitch about how their programming has gone to hell, than 2.5 million viewers who love every single thing they show. It's only the difference of a half million viewers, and the reputation is a world different.

[TVFactFan]

it's sad that networks see ratings as something better than being true to themselves. Thank god you see some musicians who won't sell out and work with an emo/hip hop producer because it would guarentee more sales.

If you can't be true to yourself, who the hell are you going to be true to? Nick At Nite shows how crazy they are because they'd rather get 3 million viewers, and 10 million who bitch about how their programming has gone to hell, than 2.5 million viewers who love every single thing they show. It's only the difference of a half million viewers, and the reputation is a world different.


He said that was the original plan for tv land to be classic tv only but it just wasn't pulling in the MONEY

[Dean Winchester]

well, I think people forget that QUALITY trumps QUANTITY. Yea, TV Land might pull in 7 million viewers if they aired Seinfeld, but there'd also be 17 million people on the boards bitching about how TV Land went to hell and sold out. Or it could have 3 million with a show that hasn't been seen in decades and people who like and dislike the show both think that the show is worthy for TV Land.

I don't get why people think quantity is always better. Would you rather have a devout fanbase that watches the network religiously or lose that devoted fanbase and have a bunch of people who just flip by the channels and go "hey, it's MASH" and watch, and then flip as soon as it's over? I think quality should matter more. Shows like MASH and Friends may bring in the ratings, but the true TV Land fans are sick of them.

[treky]

it's a shame that people are so greedy. Same reason we have music edits on some DVDs.

[friendsfan77]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; I'd honestly rather go defunct than sell out and betray my loyal and faithful fanbase.

[dakert]

How does Turner Classic Movies (TCM) make money? They dont even have commercials.

[Zoneboy]

How does Turner Classic Movies (TCM) make money? They dont even have commercials.

Ted Turner probably makes enough from his other holdings to compensate for that.

[TVFactFan]

I understand the move toward different programming but it can atleast be a balance, it just seems like it's 35% Classic TV and 65% everything else

[JT]

I think it's ****ed up that at 4:30 on a Monday afternoon, I turn on TVLand and "Sixteen Candles" is on.

It's just entirely too much and it needs to stop.

[TVFactFan]

I think it's ****ed up that at 4:30 on a Monday afternoon, I turn on TVLand and "Sixteen Candles" is on.

It's just entirely too much and it needs to stop.


Yeah I think the network is in need of a name change

[Ireneparalegal]

It is a sad state of affairs when the advertisers DICTATE the network and tell them what they should air in order for them to want to be seen on their channel.

What kind of business is that when advertisers tell networks, "Air more original programming and I will consider paying you to air my ads." SEE YA is what the network should tell them.

Are you really serious TVland, that you can't find many sponsors or advertisers who would be willing to be seen on your channel? Do you take us for buffoons or something? If you keep airing the same ol' crap all the time, get rid of these mini-marathons, change the schedule every so often and keep the station "fresh", the ratings would be a lot better and the advertisers can see that an ALL CLASSIC STATION can and does work.

[TVFactFan]

It is a sad state of affairs when the advertisers DICTATE the network and tell them what they should air in order for them to want to be seen on their channel.

What kind of business is that when advertisers tell networks, "Air more original programming and I will consider paying you to air my ads." SEE YA is what the network should tell them.

Are you really serious TVland, that you can't find many sponsors or advertisers who would be willing to be seen on your channel? Do you take us for buffoons or something? If you keep airing the same ol' crap all the time, get rid of these mini-marathons, change the schedule every so often and keep the station "fresh", the ratings would be a lot better and the advertisers can see that an ALL CLASSIC STATION can and does work.



But do we really know if a Classic TV Only network works since there are not really any examples out there?

[Ireneparalegal]

TVLAND WAS AN ALL CLASSIC NETWORK...and it worked for a very long time. How is it any different now? Think abt it. If we have all these channels airing 90's shows and current shows continuously, then wouldn't it be simple to think the need for a classic tv station is wanted? If you have ten restaurants that serve the same kind of food in your city, chances are you are going to visit the one restaurant that serves something different.

[Stuck In The '70's]

TVLAND WAS AN ALL CLASSIC NETWORK...and it worked for a very long time. How is it any different now? Think abt it. If we have all these channels airing 90's shows and current shows continuously, then wouldn't it be simple to think the need for a classic tv station is wanted? If you have ten restaurants that serve the same kind of food in your city, chances are you are going to visit the one restaurant that serves something different.
Not to mention that TV Land came about because N@N had been so popular and they needed another channel to air all the classics on.

[Pavan]

TV Land is not calling itself a classic TV network anymore. They are a baby boomer network. It will have all eras of programming, not just new...so TV Land still fits the title (even though movies air once a week). Even with all these changes, 90% of their line-up is pre-90s. Wings, Just Shoot Me, Designing Women and the originals are newer. Even most of the movies are pre-90s.

Originals were created years back, to gain more sponsors and viewers.

[Ireneparalegal]

Not to mention that TV Land came about because N@N had been so popular and they needed another channel to air all the classics on.
That too. Good point.

I say what is wrong with making TVLAND 2 and air all the junk they want there and leave TVLAND for classics?

[Pavan]

An All-Classic TV network would only work on digital these days (like RTN)...or maybe something like ME-TV for local independent stations on analog or digital. So if TV Land wanted to create "TV Land 2," digital would be the way to go. I would call it "Classic TV Land."

[TVFactFan]

I just wish I could have watched TV Land when it was new, 96-99

[Stuck In The '70's]

An All-Classic TV network would only work on digital these days (like RTN)...or maybe something like ME-TV for local independent stations on analog or digital. So if TV Land wanted to create "TV Land 2," digital would be the way to go. I would call it "Classic TV Land."
TV Land was original on my digital service. I'd gladly send it back there if they went back to the way they used to be.

[Ireneparalegal]

TV Land was original on my digital service. I'd gladly send it back there if they went back to the way they used to be.
:lol: Yeah!!!!

[ethelmaepotter]

I just think they don't feel the classic shows are hip, that's all. There is an audience for it, they just don't feel it is a marketable audience, that is all. But the question I have for them is how do they feel that airing movies that have been aired a gazillion times on other networks actually brings in new viewers?
The should undergo a name change. Court TV going to Tru TV made more sense too. TV Land should change its name to HODGE PODGE TV because they play an inexplicable mix of crapola when they are not playing classic TV.

[Ireneparalegal]

I just think they don't feel the classic shows are hip, that's all. There is an audience for it, they just don't feel it is a marketable audience, that is all. But the question I have for them is how do they feel that airing movies that have been aired a gazillion times on other networks actually brings in new viewers?
The should undergo a name change. Court TV going to Tru TV made more sense too. TV Land should change its name to HODGE PODGE TV because they play an inexplicable mix of crapola when they are not playing classic TV.
:lol: Thank you. That's how I feel. Why air these CLASSIC MOVIES then? Why does TVland keep referring to these movies as CLASSIC if their whole point is to get away from CLASSIC TV?????

[TVFactFan]

:lol: Thank you. That's how I feel. Why air these CLASSIC MOVIES then? Why does TVland keep referring to these movies as CLASSIC if their whole point is to get away from CLASSIC TV?????


I want you to go on the TV land board and challenge the TV Land Admin of the Boards so I can Laugh my ass off. PLEASE IRENE!!!, can you go and ask him why TV Land is changing and then I can see you drill him?

[Ireneparalegal]

I want you to go on the TV land board and challenge the TV Land Admin of the Boards so I can Laugh my ass off. PLEASE IRENE!!!, can you go and ask him why TV Land is changing and then I can see you drill him?
Remember, I don't touch the TVland boards ever since I read those racist remarks abt Good Times left by posters and the administrators don't even bother to delete those terrible posts. :mad:

But I sure would love to challenge that hungry-money peasant!!! They want to continue to use the term CLASSIC yet they want to steer away from CLASSIC TV? Hypocritical to me it sounds like. Will they stop airing the TVLand awards too? I mean, if they are getting away from classic programming, what good are the awards now? Not that that ugly looking trophy was worth anything anyways. :lol:

[TVFactFan]

Remember, I don't touch the TVland boards ever since I read those racist remarks abt Good Times left by posters and the administrators don't even bother to delete those terrible posts. :mad:

But I sure would love to challenge that hungry-money peasant!!! They want to continue to use the term CLASSIC yet they want to steer away from CLASSIC TV? Hypocritical to me it sounds like. Will they stop airing the TVLand awards too? I mean, if they are getting away from classic programming, what good are the awards now? Not that that ugly looking trophy was worth anything anyways. :lol:


I guess someday tv fans will have another cable network that will air Classic TV that can challenge TV Land

[TVFactFan]

TV Land was original on my digital service. I'd gladly send it back there if they went back to the way they used to be.


The Guy said it's also been some discussions of a name change or Logo Change for TV Land to keep up with the times and current programming-lol

[Ireneparalegal]

The Guy said it's also been some discussions of a name change or Logo Change for TV Land to keep up with the times and current programming-lol
Their new logo: PILEOFCRAP LAND

[TVFactFan]

Their new logo: PILEOFCRAP LAND


LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL LOL LOL

[Zoneboy]

http://www.technodelic.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Twizzle/TVLandAd1960.jpg

[Ireneparalegal]

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL LOL LOL
Glad to make you laugh Solomon...although, you know that would be the best logo for that station...or how abt the next obvious one, JUMP THE SHARK LAND:

[dawsongirl]

Re their excuses:...LAME!

Why did they bother with this network in the first place then??

[dawsongirl]

:lol: Thank you. That's how I feel. Why air these CLASSIC MOVIES then? Why does TVland keep referring to these movies as CLASSIC if their whole point is to get away from CLASSIC TV?????
I see a great tie-in here. Lots of classic TV stars were in lots of classic movies. Want to air movies? Air movies staring classic TV stars. I mean, Lucille Ball has TONS of movies they could show.

[Ireneparalegal]

Re their excuses:...LAME!

Why did they bother with this network in the first place then??
The people who now run TVland are not the same ones who started the network.

[Dean Winchester]

IMO. Prime time is only 3 hours a night. So a compromise I'd suggest would be, air the played out shows between 8-11 that get good ratings, and for the other 21 hours a day, air fan favorites. That way everyone is happy. Nick USED to be good like that until they started showing Fresh Prince all night because of the coveted 2:30 am audience :rolleyes:

[clj2]

Apparently, the demographics for the 'all-classics' format was not viable anymore to the advertisers (probably 55+), so the change was needed. I don't like it at all, but that's just the way it is. On the bright side, we have networks like RTN (which is rapidly expanding), ION (they will be good for some 70s and beyond), and maybe even Me-TV that have picked up the slack and will eventually be better than TV Land ever was....best of all, they're free. I know some people that used to subscribe to cable of satellite just to get TV Land. IMO, RTN will eventually be much better than TV Land ever was.

[TVFactFan]

Apparently, the demographics for the 'all-classics' format was not viable anymore to the advertisers (probably 55+), so the change was needed. I don't like it at all, but that's just the way it is. On the bright side, we have networks like RTN (which is rapidly expanding), ION (they will be good for some 70s and beyond), and maybe even Me-TV that have picked up the slack and will eventually be better than TV Land ever was....best of all, they're free. I know some people that used to subscribe to cable of satellite just to get TV Land. IMO, RTN will eventually be much better than TV Land ever was.


Not everyone gets RTN and Me-TV is more of a local station so I guess that's good for you but not everyone else

[bencasey]

Ted Turner probably makes enough from his other holdings to compensate for that.

Ted Turner hasn't owned the company for at least 10 years. Way to stay on top of things, genius.

[bencasey]

It's the same story with all networks. When they start off they have no money so they buy all of this great obscure stuff that no one else wants. Then, once they become more successful and start to make money, they buy all of the same common **** that everyone else runs. It happened with Lifetime, USA, BET, CBN, Nick at Nite all of them. It's even happening now with American Life. They were running all of the great old Warner Brothers shows like 77 Sunset Strip, Hawaiian Eye, Surfside Six, Bourbon Street Beat, Lawman, etc. Now they took them off and they are running 70s and 80s shows like China Beach and Lou Grant. They all do it, every single one of them. You have to get these networks when they start, that's the only time they run the good stuff.

As for TV Land being for Baby Boomers or run by Baby Boomers, whoever said that doesn't know what they are talking about. The Baby Boomers were born from 1946 to 1964 with the peak in 1957. As a baby boomer myself, I want to see the shows from the 60s and early 70s. That's when I watched the most television. I couldn't care less about 80s shows and neither do most other boomers I know. Give me all of the rare shows from that era - Good Guys, Governor and JJ, To Rome with Love, Love on a Rooftop, Run Buddy Run, Accidental Family, etc.

[megamanj2004]

SIMPLE: Greedy, sentimental, corprate @$%-holes like Viacom care more about making money from show where people are making @$%-es out of themselves then about what made certain channels hits that they once were.

[clj2]

Here's my question....I know RTN and TV Land are different (one is cable, one is broadcast), but how come RTN seems to be airing the older shows without issue? Seems like they would be in the same boat. The concept seems to be very successful so far, according to what RTN's press releases say. Here's a RTN schedule sample ( one of the better ones, I think; WPXI/Pittsburgh http://www.wpxi.com/download/2008/0208/15255933.pdf )

I wonder if RTN will 'sell out' eventually...

[dawsongirl]

Here's my question....I know RTN and TV Land are different (one is cable, one is broadcast), but how come RTN seems to be airing the older shows without issue? Seems like they would be in the same boat. The concept seems to be very successful so far, according to what RTN's press releases say. Here's a RTN schedule sample ( one of the better ones, I think; WPXI/Pittsburgh http://www.wpxi.com/download/2008/0208/15255933.pdf )

I wonder if RTN will 'sell out' eventually...
Man...they show Quincy and the Alfred Hitchcock hour shows????


We'll never get this network. :mad:

[JT]

It's the same story with all networks. When they start off they have no money so they buy all of this great obscure stuff that no one else wants. Then, once they become more successful and start to make money, they buy all of the same common **** that everyone else runs. It happened with Lifetime, USA, BET, CBN, Nick at Nite all of them. It's even happening now with American Life. They were running all of the great old Warner Brothers shows like 77 Sunset Strip, Hawaiian Eye, Surfside Six, Bourbon Street Beat, Lawman, etc. Now they took them off and they are running 70s and 80s shows like China Beach and Lou Grant. They all do it, every single one of them. You have to get these networks when they start, that's the only time they run the good stuff.

As for TV Land being for Baby Boomers or run by Baby Boomers, whoever said that doesn't know what they are talking about. The Baby Boomers were born from 1946 to 1964 with the peak in 1957. As a baby boomer myself, I want to see the shows from the 60s and early 70s. That's when I watched the most television. I couldn't care less about 80s shows and neither do most other boomers I know. Give me all of the rare shows from that era - Good Guys, Governor and JJ, To Rome with Love, Love on a Rooftop, Run Buddy Run, Accidental Family, etc.
AmericanLife has aired stuff from the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s for years. When I got the channel in 2000, they were airing stuff like "The New Dick Van Dyke Show," "Down to Earth," "One Big Family," "Apple's Way," and "Getting By," all short-lived shows from the 1970s-1990s.

And to say that "Lou Grant" and "China Beach" aren't rare stuff...I completely disagree. When was the last time "Lou Grant" aired regularly in reruns? And they've been showing "China Beach" for several years now. The majority of the stuff on AmericanLife is definitely not the type of stuff you'd see on basic cable networks.

[friendsfan77]

^ I agree. I wish I had American Life. I've never seen Lou Grant and have always wanted to ever since I first heard about it. Just because a show is not rare to you doesn't always mean it's not rare or in some cases just in fact rarely seen to someone else.

[friendsfan77]

Man...they show Quincy and the Alfred Hitchcock hour shows????


We'll never get this network. :mad:
I can't wait to switch over to digital. My uncle has it and I am so jealous.

[TVFactFan]

AmericanLife has aired stuff from the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s for years. When I got the channel in 2000, they were airing stuff like "The New Dick Van Dyke Show," "Down to Earth," "One Big Family," "Apple's Way," and "Getting By," all short-lived shows from the 1970s-1990s.

And to say that "Lou Grant" and "China Beach" aren't rare stuff...I completely disagree. When was the last time "Lou Grant" aired regularly in reruns? And they've been showing "China Beach" for several years now. The majority of the stuff on AmericanLife is definitely not the type of stuff you'd see on basic cable networks.


He is trying to say it's not RARE to him because he recorded all the eps off CBS in the 70's

[Stuck In The '70's]

He is trying to say it's not RARE to him because he recorded all the eps off CBS in the 70's
I don't think anything's rare to him. He has every show in his collection. :lol:

[bencasey]

He is trying to say it's not RARE to him because he recorded all the eps off CBS in the 70's

Not ALL, just some. Didn't you? I picked up the whole run from a bootleg set on IOffer. Sorry but shows that have aired on major cable stations in the videotaping era, as Lou Grant did on A&E, are not RARE.

[TVFactFan]

I don't think anything's rare to him. He has every show in his collection. :lol:


Only because he didn't have friends in the 70's, just him and his recorder-lol

[TVFactFan]

Not ALL, just some. Didn't you? I picked up the whole run from a bootleg set on IOffer. Sorry but shows that have aired on major cable stations in the videotaping era, as Lou Grant did on A&E, are not RARE.


When did it air on A&E, in the spring of 1983?

[mrs.gingerhinkley]

This is pathetic.

[Stuck In The '70's]

Not ALL, just some. Didn't you? I picked up the whole run from a bootleg set on IOffer. Sorry but shows that have aired on major cable stations in the videotaping era, as Lou Grant did on A&E, are not RARE.
I taped it off A&E and later erased it. I decided years ago not to waste my time and money on shows I wasn't going to be watching much.

[TVFactFan]

I taped it off A&E and later erased it. I decided years ago not to waste my time and money on shows I wasn't going to be watching much.


What yer did it air on A&E?

[Stuck In The '70's]

What yer did it air on A&E?
Lou Grant aired in the 90's ..I don't remember exactly what year. It was probably 1994 or 1995. I think it came on around 5:00 p.m. or so. I remember I would watch it and I did attempt to tape it but I stopped after a couple seasons.

[TVFactFan]

Lou Grant aired in the 90's ..I don't remember exactly what year. It was probably 1994 or 1995. I think it came on around 5:00 p.m. or so. I remember I would watch it and I did attempt to tape it but I stopped after a couple seasons.


Something else that I missed out on during my college era-lol

[bencasey]

Something else that I missed out on during my college era-lol


So, you started collecting when, 5 years ago? No wonder you feel the need to disparage my collection. You don't have your own, only 5th generation dubs you picked up or shows you taped that are cut up with network logos all over them. I understand the animosity now. If I was 12 years old and had to rely on what everyone else recorded, I'd be pissed about it too.

[TVFactFan]

So, you started collecting when, 5 years ago? No wonder you feel the need to disparage my collection. You don't have your own, only 5th generation dubs you picked up or shows you taped that are cut up with network logos all over them. I understand the animosity now. If I was 12 years old and had to rely on what everyone else recorded, I'd be pissed about it too.


How come you never recorded on the Rocks?

[bencasey]

How come you never recorded on the Rocks?

I'm sure YOU didn't either. Unless you had a VCR in your playpen.

[TVFactFan]

I'm sure YOU didn't either. Unless you had a VCR in your playpen.


I do enjoy chatting with guys like you though, TV guys from the past because i feel I can learn so much from you. So do you know if any stations aired the short-lived show-"Nancy Walker" during the 80's?

[TJ]

KingofTVResearch and bencasey:

Can you guys please both drop the childish insults? Thanks.

[TVFactFan]

KingofTVResearch and bencasey:

Can you guys please both drop the childish insults? Thanks.



TJ i was being serious, I like finding out about the old days. Just want to know what used to be out there

[bencasey]

I do enjoy chatting with guys like you though, TV guys from the past because i feel I can learn so much from you. So do you know if any stations aired the short-lived show-"Nancy Walker" during the 80's?


As far as I know, no one has rerun that show since it aired on ABC. And that would have been too early for VHS. Someone would have had to have been doing taping with early Beta or 3/4 and that was very expensive.

[Jude The Obscure]

I actually remember watching The Nancy Walker Show and enjoying it. I do not recall however, Nancy's second try at a series in the same season, Blanksy's Beauties (except for the spin-on spot she did on Happy Days as Nancy Blansky).

[Dr. Thong]

I think the worst and most dramatic change to a network was VH1. When I first got VH1 on my cable system, I couldn't get enough of it. Behind The Music was just taking off and most of their programming was music or music-oriented in some way. I would watch Behind The Music episodes of artists I didn't even care for, just give me more, more, more!

Now, I never watch it. They should change the name of the network, because it has nothing to do with music anymore. At least The Nashville Network had the decency to change their name to The National Network and now, Spike TV. They realized their programming had changed and their name now reflects that.

I hope TV Land doesn't go the way of VH1 over time.

[TVFactFan]

As far as I know, no one has rerun that show since it aired on ABC. And that would have been too early for VHS. Someone would have had to have been doing taping with early Beta or 3/4 and that was very expensive.


i think I remember hearing it aired on some cable network in the 80's

[TVFactFan]

I think the worst and most dramatic change to a network was VH1. When I first got VH1 on my cable system, I couldn't get enough of it. Behind The Music was just taking off and most of their programming was music or music-oriented in some way. I would watch Behind The Music episodes of artists I didn't even care for, just give me more, more, more!

Now, I never watch it. They should change the name of the network, because it has nothing to do with music anymore. At least The Nashville Network had the decency to change their name to The National Network and now, Spike TV. They realized their programming had changed and their name now reflects that.

I hope TV Land doesn't go the way of VH1 over time.


Yeah seems like reality is taking over the VH1 network

[Jude The Obscure]

Yeah seems like reality is taking over the VH1 network


Video Hell 1 :rolleyes:

[TVFactFan]

Video Hell 1 :rolleyes:


I will say that then-"I love the 70's and 80's" program was very Interesting and that the network deserved a "THUMBS UP" for coming up with that

[bencasey]

i think I remember hearing it aired on some cable network in the 80's

To the best of my knowledge that's not the case.

[TVFactFan]

To the best of my knowledge that's not the case.


I think it was some station called CBN or something like that. It's been a while

[megamanj2004]

I will say that then-"I love the 70's and 80's" program was very Interesting and that the network deserved a "THUMBS UP" for coming up with that

That's one of the only few reasons I even watch VH1.

That and when they had "The World Series of Pop Culture."

[friendsfan77]

That's one of the only few reasons I even watch VH1.

That and when they had "The World Series of Pop Culture."
I agree. I love it when they do music and TV related specials and WSOPC. Nowadays it seems as though every time I flip past VH-1, they're showing some reality show. It's just beyond lame now. ohno:

[JT]

So, as long as you're able to *buy* copies of a show from when it aired in reruns 13 years ago, you shouldn't want to see it on cable.

Suuuuuuure.

[friendsfan77]

Video Hell 1 :rolleyes:
What videos? :lol: ;)

[Ireneparalegal]

What videos? :lol: ;)
:lol:

Remember them days? Ah the memories. I think the last time they aired videos was back when Madonna came out with her single TAKE A BOW. At least that is the last time I remember when VH1 was hyping the hell out of their "Come this September, we will have a new look and feel." Madonna was part of their promotion. It was right after she had her hit TAKE A BOW and the video to go along with it. They had videos and so forth, but little by little it turned to REALITY TV.

[bencasey]

So, as long as you're able to *buy* copies of a show from when it aired in reruns 13 years ago, you shouldn't want to see it on cable.

Suuuuuuure.


No, I wouldn't. Especially since every network now has bugs all over the screen. And I would prefer to see a show that DIDN"T air in reruns 13 years ago.

[Dean Winchester]

Videos? Ha! 1

Musicless TeleVision

[Dean Winchester]

(shows that were on after) Nick (Lachey became famous) At Nite

[Dean Winchester]

:lol:

Remember them days? Ah the memories. I think the last time they aired videos was back when Madonna came out with her single TAKE A BOW. At least that is the last time I remember when VH1 was hyping the hell out of their "Come this September, we will have a new look and feel." Madonna was part of their promotion. It was right after she had her hit TAKE A BOW and the video to go along with it. They had videos and so forth, but little by little it turned to REALITY TV.
I remember that. I also remember the promos with Sheryl Crow and Sting. VH1 was still pretty cool in the mid-90's. Behind The Music was the beginning of the end. What I hated is that they should've always followed BTM with a half hour of videos or live performances of the artist. I mean, you just saw their story for an hour, how about now take a listen to the songs which made them popular in the first place?

[Ireneparalegal]

I remember that. I also remember the promos with Sheryl Crow and Sting. VH1 was still pretty cool in the mid-90's. Behind The Music was the beginning of the end. What I hated is that they should've always followed BTM with a half hour of videos or live performances of the artist. I mean, you just saw their story for an hour, how about now take a listen to the songs which made them popular in the first place?
Yeah, as soon as the BTM made it, that seems to be the turning point. Remember when BTM Milli Vanilli aired and then later that year the guy from the duo died? VH1 played the heck outta that BTM! :rolleyes: I think they saw the ratings for that after his death and decided, "Ah ha, this is what people want...reality tv." After that, we were inundated with BTM on so many singers and groups.

[Dean Winchester]

I loved the BTM's, much better than the crap they have on now. I just think they should've balanced BTM with videos. It was generally proven that after VH1 would air a Behind The Music, that artists sales would spike that week. Wouldn't it have made sense that after airing an hour of BTM, to follow it up with a block of videos of that artist?

[Ireneparalegal]

They should have, but didn't. It was the beginning of the end. BTM marathons and endless promos for them. It was a great idea for a show, but it soon became the BTM channel.

[Dean Winchester]

and now VH1 is a haven for tacky washed up never-wases like Bridgette Neilsen and Christopher Knight :lol:

* okay, Christopher Knight was on The Brady Bunch, but until he hooked up with the model half his age on The Surreal Life, he was about as big of a "name" as Jodie Sweeten or Darius McCrary

[Ireneparalegal]

VH-1 only cares abt ratings, not quality. Why else bring us the third installment of that garbage FLAVOR OF LOVE? :rolleyes: And then insult us with that whore New York and her stupid reality show?

[friendsfan77]

VH-1 only cares abt ratings, not quality. Why else bring us the third installment of that garbage FLAVOR OF LOVE? :rolleyes: And then insult us with that whore New York and her stupid reality show?
That is such trash. I couldn't even sit through a whole episode of that. I can't believe all those hot guys are wasted on her. :rolleyes:

[Ireneparalegal]

That is such trash. I couldn't even sit through a whole episode of that. I can't believe all those hot guys are wasted on her. :rolleyes:
I like the rehab show with Dr. Drew, but those tacky "looking for love" shows are pathetic. Flav is so damn ugly but I guess when you have money and a tv show, broads from all over will come flying his way. :rolleyes: As for New York, she is one skanky broad and that wuss that she ended up choosing, is deserving of whatever happens to him for wanting her.

[Jude The Obscure]

What videos? :lol: ;)


Video as in anything displayed visually, not necessarily music videos LOL

[friendsfan77]

Video as in anything displayed visually, not necessarily music videos LOL
that is true. :lol:

[TVFactFan]

Someone asked on the board today would it be a good idea to have another TV LAND but as a premium channel that would air classic TV all day long without commercials like AMC-

LOL

[Ireneparalegal]

Someone asked on the board today would it be a good idea to have another TV LAND but as a premium channel that would air classic TV all day long without commercials like AMC-

LOL
How does a channel like AMC earn/make $$$ by airing so few breaks? Seriously, I want to know.

[JT]

I hope yall mean TCM, and not AMC lol. From what I've watched of AMC recently (not a lot), their commercials come as frequent as any other cable net.

A cable channel that I know of that airs commercials, but always has limited commercial breaks is LMN. They actually edit out commercial breaks in some of the TV movies they rerun. The screen fades to black then goes right back into the movie, just like on DVDs.

[bencasey]

Someone asked on the board today would it be a good idea to have another TV LAND but as a premium channel that would air classic TV all day long without commercials like AMC-

LOL

It depends on what they would consider "classic TV". If they would air a lot of seldom seen, obscure shows that have never been rerun, yeah, i'd pay for it in a second. If it was going to be all of the shows that are on DVD already and that have rerun in syndication many times, no, I wouldn't care.

[Stuck In The '70's]

I hope yall mean TCM, and not AMC lol. From what I've watched of AMC recently (not a lot), their commercials come as frequent as any other cable net.

A cable channel that I know of that airs commercials, but always has limited commercial breaks is LMN. They actually edit out commercial breaks in some of the TV movies they rerun. The screen fades to black then goes right back into the movie, just like on DVDs.
AMC used to be a great channel. Commercials ruined them.

[JT]

AMC used to be a great channel. Commercials ruined them.
I agree. Back in the 1990s, AMC and TCM were both great havens for old movies.

[Ireneparalegal]

AMC used to be a great channel. Commercials ruined them.
Oops, I meant TMC. I get mixed up with those two station names. So how does a channel like TMC make $$$?

[Stuck In The '70's]

I agree. Back in the 1990s, AMC and TCM were both great havens for old movies.
I became a classic movie lover watching AMC. I used to look forward every year to their film preservation festival too. I didn't get TCM until 2000 and not long after AMC sold out. I wish I had them both at the same time when AMC was in its prime.

[Stuck In The '70's]

Oops, I meant TMC. I get mixed up with those two station names. So how does a channel like TMC make $$$?
I don't know. It started on my digital like TV Land and went to the basic where its been for a number of years. I noticed recently though that TCM is now on both my digital and basic so I don't know what's going on there. :lol:

[Ireneparalegal]

I don't know. It started on my digital like TV Land and went to the basic where its been for a number of years. I noticed recently though that TCM is now on both my digital and basic so I don't know what's going on there. :lol:
Oh, well maybe this might help you. I remember several years ago when it was on basic, the cable company changed it to digital. Then many of the older customers (mainly senior citizens) complained they wanted to watch that channel but couldn't afford to change to digital. They made an uproar,and lo and behold, the cable company decided to keep TCM on basic and digital to appease the customers who were loyal TCM fans but couldn't afford to switch to digital. That is what happened here, I don't know if that was the reason across the country.

[Stuck In The '70's]

Oh, well maybe this might help you. I remember several years ago when it was on basic, the cable company changed it to digital. Then many of the older customers (mainly senior citizens) complained they wanted to watch that channel but couldn't afford to change to digital. They made an uproar,and lo and behold, the cable company decided to keep TCM on basic and digital to appease the customers who were loyal TCM fans but couldn't afford to switch to digital. That is what happened here, I don't know if that was the reason across the country.
Of all the movie channels out there I wish my cable company would pick up Fox Movie Network. That seems to be the only movie channel I can't get and they always have good movies on it.

I just hope TCM doesn't sell out like AMC did. Their's few places for classic movie lovers to go. AMC doesn't even air all classic movies anymore. Some of their movies are junk. :lol:

[JT]

I became a classic movie lover watching AMC. I used to look forward every year to their film preservation festival too. I didn't get TCM until 2000 and not long after AMC sold out. I wish I had them both at the same time when AMC was in its prime.
Same here. All of my favorite movies, I saw for the first time on either AMC or TCM. We've actually had TCM for as long as it's been around, I think. That's strange because we didn't get Sci-Fi until 2000 (it was digital until 2002), GSN until 2000 (still on digital), and TVLand until 2001 (has always been basic).

[Ireneparalegal]

Of all the movie channels out there I wish my cable company would pick up Fox Movie Network. That seems to be the only movie channel I can't get and they always have good movies on it.

I just hope TCM doesn't sell out like AMC did. Their's few places for classic movie lovers to go. AMC doesn't even air all classic movies anymore. Some of their movies are junk. :lol:
I get Fox Movie Channel. It does have its moments of airing some really good stuff. Just like watching a cable premium channel.

[TVFactFan]

I get Fox Movie Channel. It does have its moments of airing some really good stuff. Just like watching a cable premium channel.


I thought FX was the Fox Movie Channel. I guess not

[Ireneparalegal]

I thought FX was the Fox Movie Channel. I guess not
:lol: No. Fox Movie Channel is FMC, not FX.

[TVFactFan]

:lol: No. Fox Movie Channel is FMC, not FX.


Well add that to the List-lol