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USATVFAN
11-15-2007, 08:05 PM
Did Anyone Know That Fraces Fisher Was The Original Person to Play Jill But Days Before The Pilot Was To Be Shot She Was Replaced By Patricia Richardson Due To No Chemistry With Tim Allen?

HuntingtonM15
11-15-2007, 08:32 PM
Yes, I've read this before. I do love Frances, but I'm glad she was replaced. I cannot picture her or anyone else except Patricia in the role of Jill.

catlover79
11-15-2007, 10:28 PM
Yes, I've read this before. I do love Frances, but I'm glad she was replaced. I cannot picture her or anyone else except Patricia in the role of Jill.
:yeahthat

Ireneparalegal
11-15-2007, 10:43 PM
Well, I am sure if Frances had been "Jill" we'd be saying that we are glad that Patricia Richardson was not chosen to play Jill because we can't imagine anyone else playing that role. :lol:

JulieSomoski
11-16-2007, 04:50 PM
Well, I am sure if Frances had been "Jill" we'd be saying that we are glad that Patricia Richardson was not chosen to play Jill because we can't imagine anyone else playing that role. :lol:

Im sure we would be-LOL

I heard about this in the THS on Home Improvement. You could just tell though, from the cast photographs with Fisher in them, that she was just no fitting in with the rest of the cast. I guess during the scene when Jill tells Tim not to touch the dishwasher, when Fisher said that line, the audience got totally upset with her, so they tossed her and brought in Patricia.

HuntingtonM15
11-16-2007, 05:08 PM
Im sure we would be-LOL

I heard about this in the THS on Home Improvement. You could just tell though, from the cast photographs with Fisher in them, that she was just no fitting in with the rest of the cast. I guess during the scene when Jill tells Tim not to touch the dishwasher, when Fisher said that line, the audience got totally upset with her, so they tossed her and brought in Patricia.

Yeah, without even seeing it, I can tell the chemistry would have been awful. Now, I did love the chemistry Frances had with Ted Danson on Becker, but she would have made a terrible Jill. I personally think there's a good chance the show wouldn't even had made it very far with Frances in the role.

Janice
11-16-2007, 05:36 PM
Frances Fisher with her daughter Francesca Fisher-Eastwood (born 1993). Clint's her Daddy, (with her in 1999, below).

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/3849/FrancesFis_Ausse_6474694_400.jpg (http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3849/FrancesFis_Ausse_6474448_400.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Fisher-Eastwood%2C%20Francesca&seq=2)

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/3849/FrancesFis_Ausse_6474448_400.jpg (http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0139668/5.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Fisher-Eastwood%2C%20Francesca&seq=2)

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0139668/5 (http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3849/FrancesFis_Ausse_6474694_400.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Fisher-Eastwood%2C%20Francesca&seq=4)

Carrie
11-17-2007, 10:30 AM
I agree. I don't think the chemistry between Tim and Frances would have worked out. I saw the THS too and Tim was disappointed at first when she was replaced with Patricia, but I think in the end he was happy the way things turned out.

USATVFAN
11-17-2007, 11:24 AM
Also Stephen Tobolowsky Was Originally Suppose To Play Al Borland.

JulieSomoski
11-17-2007, 10:26 PM
Also Stephen Tobolowsky Was Originally Suppose To Play Al Borland.

I don't think I could imagine anyone else playing Al. Richard Karn played the character perfectly.

catlover79
11-17-2007, 10:54 PM
I don't think I could imagine anyone else playing Al. Richard Karn played the character perfectly.
Tim Allen had almost as much chemistry with Richard Karn as he did with Pat Richardson!! :D

JulieSomoski
11-18-2007, 02:34 PM
Tim Allen had almost as much chemistry with Richard Karn as he did with Pat Richardson!! :D

Definitely. Especially in the later seasons. You could tell in the first few episodes that Tim wasn't getting too close to Richard, but by the last season, Al was an essential character to the show. I couldn't imagine the show without the Al character.

Carrie
11-18-2007, 04:44 PM
Me either. I don't think the jokes would have worked as well with Stephen and I don't think he would have looked as good in flannel, LOL.

JulieSomoski
11-18-2007, 06:15 PM
Me either. I don't think the jokes would have worked as well with Stephen and I don't think he would have looked as good in flannel, LOL.

No one looks better in flannel than Al Borland-LOL

catlover79
11-18-2007, 06:49 PM
No one looks better in flannel than Al Borland-LOL
True! :lol:

Janice
09-10-2008, 11:01 PM
I think Frances Fisher looked too old for the role. I know in real life, she's the same age or even a bit younger than Pat Richardson, yet, I've always thought that Frances looked older than she actually is. I don't mean that in a bad way, as I think she's very attractive. To me, her face appears older than her actual years.

andress_jade
10-03-2008, 08:41 PM
Could someone post a picture of Frances? The picture that was posted on here doesn't show up for me and I would like to see the original Jill. Patricia was Jill to me but I just want to put a name with a face. Thanks!

Janice
10-06-2008, 10:33 PM
Here you go.

browneyes106
10-15-2008, 11:04 AM
Recently on the Biography of Home Improvement it was mentioned that the producers felt Frances was more a dramatic actress.

andress_jade
11-02-2008, 03:46 PM
Wow. Not at all what I expected. Patricia definitely fits the role much better and had more chemistry with Tim Allen. She does or did look older than the role was probably looking for.