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Overdose
08-22-2007, 05:39 AM
One tough mother

BY JOYCE MILLMAN | during the nine-year run of ABC's "Roseanne," which comes to an end Tuesday evening, Roseanne Conner has been a factory worker, a hairdresser's assistant, a waitress, a lunch counter owner, a TV commentator and a millionaire. She has imagined herself as Lucy Ricardo and Mary Richards. She has been married and separated and kissed a woman on the lips in a lesbian bar. She has been pregnant and considered an abortion. She has been fat and cosmetically enhanced. She's been a mother, a daughter, a sister and a grandmother.

It's not that Roseanne Conner was Everywoman. It's more that, like most women, Roseanne Conner (who really can't be separated from her creator, Roseanne Barr Arnold Roseanne) played many roles in life, sometimes all at the same time. But while Roseanne Conner was changeable and volatile and contradictory, viewers always knew where she stood -- with her foot placed firmly on the throat of uptight society. And, more important, she always knew who she was. I can't think of a female sitcom character more self-confident, less regretful, than Roseanne Conner.

"Roseanne" was the first of ABC's family-realism sitcoms of the late '80s and '90s (to be followed by "Home Improvement" and "Grace Under Fire"). But Roseanne gave ABC a little more reality, perhaps, than it bargained for. Once she wrestled control of the show from its co-creator and producer, Matt Williams, Roseanne began incorporating bits of her tabloid-ready life into the show. Like its star, "Roseanne" was rough and loose and unpredictable, veering from intense kitchen-sink drama to boisterous comedy, usually within the same episode. "Roseanne" had good seasons and disappointing ones; it weathered personality clashes and accommodated cast members' personal needs (Sara Gilbert and Lecy Goransen's college careers, John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf's movie careers). Like a family, it went on.

"Roseanne" was a trailblazing series, but it never seemed to get enough credit (woman's work, you know). Here are five ways "Roseanne," and Roseanne, changed TV.

(1) Roseanne" was the most female-centric sitcom in TV history.

Building upon its star's stand-up comedy act as the all-knowing, all-seeing "domestic goddess," "Roseanne" brought feminism into the mainstream and suggested that it wasn't something to fear -- it was just a fancy word for "fair play," and it had relevance and usefulness in the average woman's life.

Roseanne and her sarcastic, brooding daughter Darlene (Sara Gilbert) were strong, opinionated and independent. The show kept the pot boiling under the meat and potato issues with which any woman could identify -- economic inequality at work, unequal division of labor at home. But it also turned up the heat with episodes about issues like teen sexuality (the poignant and hilarious show where Roseanne bites the bullet and takes sexually active Becky to the doctor for birth control pills), domestic violence and the abortion question (the extraordinary Thanksgiving '94 episode in which the show's four generations of women talked about their reproductive history as Roseanne waited out test results concerning the health of her fetus).

"Roseanne" was not the first sitcom to deal with these issues (Maude is still the only sitcom woman to ever actually have an abortion); what was different here was the consistently unsoftened point of view.

In its last couple of seasons, "Roseanne" became in-your-face pro-woman, with mixed results. Some of this season's surreal episodes spoofing fashion and female pampering were riotously funny (if slapped together), but the one where all the women laid hands on Darlene's fragile premature newborn in order to impart their life-saving female energy ... just forget I mentioned it, OK?

Sure, there was something rude about the way the women on "Roseanne" kept getting more and more capable and the men kept getting more and more useless and expendable -- Dan cheated on Roseanne; Jackie's ex-husband, Fred, was a bore; Becky's husband, Mark, was an idiot. But then, Roseanne and Darlene also made sport of Darlene's husband, David, the most evolved and sensitive male on the show, for being, too evolved and sensitive. Men couldn't win on "Roseanne," but then, that was the point: This was a kick-ass women's show, and if men felt left out, well tough.

(2) "Roseanne" was the most gay- and lesbian-friendly sitcom of its time.

Scratch the surface of a Lanfordian and you got a lesbian: Roseanne's co-worker Nancy, played by Sandra Bernhard, was prime time's first regularly occurring lesbian, and Roseanne's mother, Bev (Estelle Parsons), came out this past season. And we can't leave out Roseanne's former boss Leon (Martin Mull, who also served as a creative consultant on the show) and his partner, Scott (Fred Willard, Mull's old sidekick from "Fernwood 2 Night"), who took their wedding vows on the show and who provided deliciously queer asides. Without "Roseanne" to soften up the network bosses (and viewers), Ellen DeGeneres' path out of the closet might have been a lot rockier.

(3) "Roseanne" exploded TV stereotypes about blue-collar America.

"Roseanne" premiered in 1988 at the tail end of Reaganomics, when the bottom was falling out for previously middle-class families across America. But the show -- and Roseanne -- didn't really find their political footing, or nervy comedic edge, until midway through the Bush era. No other sitcom articulated blue-collar cynicism, frustration and exhaustion so well, or so sharply depicted an economy on the skids.

Roseanne and Dan both worked, but they could never seem to gain any ground; they were always a paycheck away from disaster. They'd never attended college, but they were smart (too smart for some of the brain-sucking jobs they got stuck with), culturally and politically aware and open-minded. While TV had mostly portrayed blue-collar Americans as Archie Bunker conservatives, "Roseanne" charted the rise of a new kind of working class -- the old weed-smoking, hell-raising, counter-culture boomers who had found, to their dismay, that they were never going to have a better life than their parents. The Conners frequently joked that they didn't even know what class they belonged to anymore. And hitting the lottery this season didn't provide any easy answers.

As pioneers in a new socioeconomic frontier, the Conners turned cultural perceptions inside out with punky, contemptuous humor. They left the Christmas lights up till July, worked on motorcycles in the driveway and greeted the news of Darlene's unwed pregnancy by cheering their official entrance into white trashdom. There was always something pathetic about how on "All in the Family" and "The Honeymooners," being blue-collar was equated with personal failure. "Roseanne" was the first blue-collar sitcom to say, "We're OK -- it's you rich people who've got the problem!"

(4) "Roseanne" raised the stakes for the family sitcom.

"Roseanne" was structured like a lot of other family sitcoms -- the couch and TV front and center, the kids with all the usual growing pains. But "Roseanne" subverted the content, dealing with the situations other family sitcoms wouldn't talk about (the one where the Conners' son, DJ, discovers masturbation) or dealing with typical sitcom problems in atypical ways (the birth control episode).

The Conners were often in pain. Dan's frightening rages, Roseanne's recovered memories of abuse by her father, Jackie's zero self-esteem, Darlene's inability to express tenderness toward the people she loved -- this was not light-hearted stuff. But at its best, "Roseanne" deftly walked that fine emotional line where things are so awful, you just have to laugh.

(5) "Roseanne" was the ultimate show about motherhood.

At a time when pregnancy was a politically charged issue, working mothers were being demonized by fundamentalists and traditional mothers were being ignored by organized feminism, Roseanne stepped up and made motherhood the central theme of her show. And Roseanne's version of motherhood was a fierce and mighty force that would not be denied. The series was a cycle of pregnancies (Roseanne, Jackie, Dan's father's wife Crystal, Darlene), most of them unplanned. And, fittingly, babies are the focus of Tuesday's one-hour finale, in which Darlene and David bring their daughter Harris home from the hospital (occasioning a final Conner beer-and-pizza blast) and two more impending blessed events are revealed.

With her typical contrariness, Roseanne told the truth about motherhood. It was a miracle and a pain in the ass ("This is why some animals eat their young!" Roseanne shrieked at her squabbling kids in the very first episode); it was a sacrifice (Roseanne was always giving up her basement writing room to some kid who was moving back into the nest) and the ultimate creative act. Most of all, it was a chance for a fresh start. For all Roseanne Conner's crabbing, her identity was bound up in being a mother. She was good at it, despite her own miserable childhood and despite her fear of turning into her own mother, the babbling Bev.

"Roseanne" was the perfect antidote to the bummed-out boomer parents of "thirtysomething," its onetime Tuesday night schedule mate on ABC. Roseanne's full-throttle cackle at the end of the opening credits could have been directed at Hope and Michael and their friends, and their endless worrying about parenthood making them uncool. "You can't be a parent and not be changed by it," Roseanne's cackle says. "Grow up!"

That unrefined honesty will be missed. Roseanne Conner was the toughest mother of them all.

May 19, 1997

Overdose
08-22-2007, 07:15 PM
Bump

Buffyboy323
08-24-2007, 05:14 AM
Whoa! I don't know who she is, but someone please give Joyce Millman a medal!

I agree with pretty much EVERYTHING she said in this article. My favorite parts were, "She always knew who she was. I can't think of a female sitcom character more self confident, less regretful, than Roseanne Connor." AND "Roseanne was rough and loose and unpredictable." It`s so true. SO TRUE.

Thanks for posting this awesome article. :)

Overdose
08-24-2007, 04:47 PM
Whoa! I don't know who she is, but someone please give Joyce Millman a medal!

I agree with pretty much EVERYTHING she said in this article. My favorite parts were, "She always knew who she was. I can't think of a female sitcom character more self confident, less regretful, than Roseanne Connor." AND "Roseanne was rough and loose and unpredictable." It`s so true. SO TRUE.

Thanks for posting this awesome article. :)
yeah, the entire article is great. "Roseanne" really did do a ton for TV.

catlover79
08-24-2007, 05:03 PM
I was never crazy about the Roseanne show when it first aired (and I'm still not), but I appreciate it more now because it WAS a lot like real blue-collar life. The Conners had real issues and tried to keep as much humor in their lives as possible. Plus, TV has regressed so much in the last decade or so - some of the stuff on Roseanne could still be considered daring and un-PC. The big mistake was having the family win the lottery in Season 9. If they were out of ideas (and John Goodman had essentially left the show), they should have called it quits after Season 8. Roseanne was a ground-breaking show, no doubt about that.

Buffyboy323
08-24-2007, 07:15 PM
The big mistake was having the family win the lottery in Season 9. If they were out of ideas (and John Goodman had essentially left the show), they should have called it quits after Season 8. Roseanne was a ground-breaking show, no doubt about that.
They weren't out of ideas. Roseanne wanted that to happen.....I for one, don't think it was that bad. I enjoyed a bunch of those episodes.

Buffyboy323
08-24-2007, 07:20 PM
yeah, the entire article is great. "Roseanne" really did do a ton for TV.
Yep....Despite what some idiots said in that debate thread, last week.

coffield3
08-25-2007, 12:37 AM
Thanks for posting that! :D

Clint Eastwood Fan
08-25-2007, 12:40 AM
I was never crazy about the Roseanne show when it first aired (and I'm still not), but I appreciate it more now because it WAS a lot like real blue-collar life. The Conners had real issues and tried to keep as much humor in their lives as possible. Plus, TV has regressed so much in the last decade or so - some of the stuff on Roseanne could still be considered daring and un-PC. The big mistake was having the family win the lottery in Season 9. If they were out of ideas (and John Goodman had essentially left the show), they should have called it quits after Season 8. Roseanne was a ground-breaking show, no doubt about that.
That last season was the worst I ever saw for a sitcom I liked. I didn't laugh once which is why I stopped watching it.

Overdose
08-26-2007, 01:33 AM
Roseanne = best show ever created

TJL
08-26-2007, 12:03 PM
"Sure, there was something rude about the way the women on "Roseanne" kept getting more and more capable and the men kept getting more and more useless and expendable -- Dan cheated on Roseanne; Jackie's ex-husband, Fred, was a bore; Becky's husband, Mark, was an idiot. But then, Roseanne and Darlene also made sport of Darlene's husband, David, the most evolved and sensitive male on the show, for being, too evolved and sensitive. Men couldn't win on "Roseanne," but then, that was the point: This was a kick-ass women's show, and if men felt left out, well tough."

Personally, I thought it was a big mistake the way they alienated the male audience by pushing the male characters into the background. It especially wasn't fair to John Goodman, whose character was an equal to Roseanne when the show began.

The constant male bashing turned me off completely.

Overdose
08-26-2007, 05:16 PM
The constant male bashing turned me off completely.
:(

Ireneparalegal
08-26-2007, 06:51 PM
"Sure, there was something rude about the way the women on "Roseanne" kept getting more and more capable and the men kept getting more and more useless and expendable -- Dan cheated on Roseanne; Jackie's ex-husband, Fred, was a bore; Becky's husband, Mark, was an idiot. But then, Roseanne and Darlene also made sport of Darlene's husband, David, the most evolved and sensitive male on the show, for being, too evolved and sensitive. Men couldn't win on "Roseanne," but then, that was the point: This was a kick-ass women's show, and if men felt left out, well tough."

Personally, I thought it was a big mistake the way they alienated the male audience by pushing the male characters into the background. It especially wasn't fair to John Goodman, whose character was an equal to Roseanne when the show began.

The constant male bashing turned me off completely.
Then, you must hate Cosby Show as well TJL, male bashing was the norm on that show. Not to mention wimpy and being controlled. :crazy: :lol:

Brian Damage
08-26-2007, 07:05 PM
In my opinion, the show doesn't hold up as a classic. The male bashing was horrendous. Ok Roseanne, we get it, you don't like men. It's not our fault you chose a bunch of losers to marry.

Overdose
08-26-2007, 08:37 PM
In my opinion, the show doesn't hold up as a classic. The male bashing was horrendous. Ok Roseanne, we get it, you don't like men. It's not our fault you chose a bunch of losers to marry.
Dan was anything but a loser.

Ireneparalegal
08-26-2007, 08:41 PM
Dan was the man!!!!! I'd much rather watch him than Cliff Huxtable. The show did go way off toward the end, the way the men in that household changed was not my cup of tea. I much prefered the way they were in the early and the middle of the season. It is obvious the way Roseanne's personal life somehow changed the way the show was later on. But Dan was a strong, dependable, loyal, stand up man. He wasn't being controlled and he was no wimp.

Brian Damage
08-26-2007, 10:53 PM
Dan was anything but a loser.


Helllllllllooooooooo, I'm talking about real life here, not a fictional sitcom. Roseanne used her bitterness towards men and applied it to her sitcom. She made all her male characters weak.

Brian Damage
08-26-2007, 10:54 PM
Dan was the man!!!!! I'd much rather watch him than Cliff Huxtable. The show did go way off toward the end, the way the men in that household changed was not my cup of tea. I much prefered the way they were in the early and the middle of the season. It is obvious the way Roseanne's personal life somehow changed the way the show was later on. But Dan was a strong, dependable, loyal, stand up man. He wasn't being controlled and he was no wimp.


Dan was definitely controlled.

Ireneparalegal
08-26-2007, 11:10 PM
Dan was definitely controlled.
In the later seasons, but he was not controlled as far as what he could or couldn't eat. He had things at times under control when Roseanne was out working. He backed up Roseanne when she had her trials and turmoils; he put up with lots of things, but what spouse doesn't? Dan spoke his mind and let his feelings known. Roseanne knew she would not be anywhere without Dan. She even stated that Dan was the best thing that ever happened to her.

Just like on Cosby, we saw the men being whupped and they were wimpy. But of course, it is all done for laughs. The Cosby Show and Roseanne both showed women in control of more situations and you can call it being "bossy". It sure is a far cry from the 50's sitcoms when the wife/mother didn't seem to have much say so in everyday matters.

Brian Damage
08-26-2007, 11:18 PM
In the later seasons, but he was not controlled as far as what he could or couldn't eat. He had things at times under control when Roseanne was out working. He backed up Roseanne when she had her trials and turmoils; he put up with lots of things, but what spouse doesn't? Dan spoke his mind and let his feelings known. Roseanne knew she would not be anywhere without Dan. She even stated that Dan was the best thing that ever happened to her.

Just like on Cosby, we saw the men being whupped and they were wimpy. But of course, it is all done for laughs. The Cosby Show and Roseanne both showed women in control of more situations and you can call it being "bossy". It sure is a far cry from the 50's sitcoms when the wife/mother didn't seem to have much say so in everyday matters.

I have no idea why Cosby continues to be brought up on the Roseanne board, but there is no doubt that men were "dumbed down" a bit on her show.

Ireneparalegal
08-27-2007, 01:29 AM
I have no idea why Cosby continues to be brought up on the Roseanne board, but there is no doubt that men were "dumbed down" a bit on her show.
And on Cosby, the men were "dumbed down" most of the time; probably more so than Roseanne. Cosby and Roseanne are two hit shows that showed women differently than had been presented before. As different as these two shows were, they had things in common as well.

Overdose
08-27-2007, 02:39 AM
In the later 7th season, when Darlene did acid in college, Dan told Roseanne he felt Darlene should go back to school. Although Roseanne argued, she eventually gave in and let Darlene go back to school, mostly or at least partly due to Dan insisting on allowing Darlene go back to school. That is one example of where I think Dan changed Roseanne's mind and made a decision, in essence, for the household.

Even if Roseanne got her way most of the time, Dan DID have sway in the household from time to time and his opinion was always shared by him and valued by Roseanne.

Buffyboy323
08-27-2007, 04:03 AM
In the later 7th season, when Darlene did acid in college, Dan told Roseanne he felt Darlene should go back to school. Although Roseanne argued, she eventually gave in and let Darlene go back to school, mostly or at least partly due to Dan insisting on allowing to Darlene go back to school. That is one example of where I think Dan changed Roseanne's mind and made a decision, in essence, for the household.

Even if Roseanne got her way most of the time, Dan DID have sway in the household from time to time and his opinion was always shared by him and valued by Roseanne.
Nice example!

And yes, Dan`s opinions were always heard, even when he knew Rosey wouldn't agree with them...Their arguing over how the household was run, and other stuff, like handling the kids, was always talked about...His opinions were always told, if not screamed out loud...A lot of this came head to head at the end of the 8th season, when they had that HUGE fight.

Roseanne clearly shoved all the male characters to the back curtain, but (for the most part) their thoughts were heard. All those arguments about school, drugs, etc, between Darlene and David are an example...David always shared how he felt (granted he was made fun of, or punched, but he did say what was on his mind).

JulieSomoski
08-27-2007, 11:10 AM
You guys are talking like Dan was treated like a dog. he wasn't at all. There were times when Roseanne got her way, but there were also many times when Dan got his way. And, it wasn't like Roseanne pushed Dan around all the time. They were like a real married couple.

coffield3
08-27-2007, 06:28 PM
I wouldnt say that roseanne hated men at all, she just turned sitcoms around by having a women lead the show/family, i have to admit at times she could be harsh but she was harsh with everybody not just the men.Dan wasnt dumb at all he supported his family and was there for all of them when they needed him including roseanne.

Ireneparalegal
08-27-2007, 07:58 PM
I think Dan felt since Roseanne was home most of the time (before she worked outside of the house) it was her place to roost and be in charge of.

I know here at home, I am in charge of almost everything. My boyfriend likes it that way because he has his work and like he says, I don't have to worry abt home issues because YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT VERY WELL. That is a compliment. I take care of the bills, groceries, household purchases, anything related to the house. When it comes to the kids, I pretty much speak for both of us because my boyfriend and I agree on how we handle things with the kids, mine and our son.

We don't always see eye to eye, but he has his work and I have mine. Aside from the business I run from home and the property I own which is another business that needs my attention, he is confident that I can take care of a house and all that goes with it.

Dan was the same way with Roseanne. Their home was her "work" and he had confidence in how she ran the household. He knew Roseanne knew what she was doing and how to take care of things. That is called confidence and trust, not being a wuss or being controlled.

I can list many times Dan had an input in that household. He was hard-working and wanted only the best for his kids, just like Roseanne.

Overdose
08-28-2007, 07:26 AM
Nice example!
Thanks :).

Honestly, one parent usually has more say and more control in the household. And in the Conner household it just so happened to be Roseanne. And it just so happens that Roseanne is a women, so people think she is a bossy b*tch -- but in reality, like Irene said, Dan ALLOWED and WANTED Roseanne to take care of the problems.

Here is another example. When Dan finds out Molly, the girl who left Darlene stranded at a Rock Concert, was lying to her Dad about what happend, Dan went to Roseanne to deal with the situation when Jackie asked him what he was going to do.

This just proves Dan wasn't comfortable being the boss and he wasn't comfortable making decisions. So, Roseanne had to step up and make decisions for both of them (since Dan didn't like to make the decisions). And generally Dan agreed with Roseanne and had trust in how she would deal with the situations.

So for people to think badly of Roseanne when she was forced to take care of the situations is outrageous. Dan didn't feel comfortable or capable of dealing with the situations, so he relied and counted apon Roseanne and Roseanne was forced to step up as a mother and take the lead role because if she didn't, no one would.

Overdose
08-28-2007, 04:40 PM
The thing I loved about "Roseanne" is that although Roseanne was in charge and would often make impulsive decisions, when people would share their opinions with her she'd be willing to change her mind.

There were many examples: When Jackie told Roseanne she wanted support for whatever career she picked -- Roseanne eventually gave in and started to support Jackie. Another example is when Dan pushed Roseanne to open up the loose meat reasturant while they were in bed trying to sleep, and without his approval and support Roseanne wasn't going to do it. Also when Roseanne fired her mother from the diner, Nancy told Roseanne she was very mean to her mother and eventually Roseanne went over and apologized to Bev. Also, as I already said, Dan pushed Roseanne to let Darlene go back to college after Darlene did acid, and because of what Dan said Roseanne realized Darlene should go back to school.

The point is, in every family there is one parent who usually has more say. And in this case it was because Dan WANTED Roseanne to handle all the problems -- this is because he didn't know what to do and he didn't feel comfortable handling the problems. But that's not to say Roseanne always got the last word and that's not to say Roseanne didn't change her mind as a result of someone else speaking up.

coffield3
08-29-2007, 08:13 AM
I think Dan felt since Roseanne was home most of the time (before she worked outside of the house) it was her place to roost and be in charge of.

I know here at home, I am in charge of almost everything. My boyfriend likes it that way because he has his work and like he says, I don't have to worry abt home issues because YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT VERY WELL. That is a compliment. I take care of the bills, groceries, household purchases, anything related to the house. When it comes to the kids, I pretty much speak for both of us because my boyfriend and I agree on how we handle things with the kids, mine and our son.

We don't always see eye to eye, but he has his work and I have mine. Aside from the business I run from home and the property I own which is another business that needs my attention, he is confident that I can take care of a house and all that goes with it.

Dan was the same way with Roseanne. Their home was her "work" and he had confidence in how she ran the household. He knew Roseanne knew what she was doing and how to take care of things. That is called confidence and trust, not being a wuss or being controlled.

I can list many times Dan had an input in that household. He was hard-working and wanted only the best for his kids, just like Roseanne.
Very true!!

Mr. Cranky
08-29-2007, 12:27 PM
Evidently, Dan learned from years of being shot down by that brute of a wife he had, that it was easier to just take the path of least resistance and give the bully her way. Dan knew it was a lost cause trying to have any say, so he let Roseanne make all the decisions. Roseanne verbally beat Dan into submission. She turned him into the indecisive man he became. Was it any wonder that he finally cheated on her. Best episode ever!!

She was a control freak of the first order, and from all the media back then, she was a control freak and a bully off the set too. There's no difference between Roseanne Connor and Roseanne Barr. She played herself. Roseanne was often called out by her own family and friends on the show as being controlling and manipulative, and she admitted this on the show more than once. This isn't my opinion, this is a fact.

All the men on the show were portrayed as incompetent, nasty, weak or buffoons. David couldn't get out of his own way or take a leak without a permission slip from his bully girlfriend. She was a chip off the old block, that one. They wrote Mark as a total fool who could barely string a few sentences together. Roseanne's boss at the diner was written as a mean spirited idiot who Roseanne took pleasure in berating at every turn. Her other male bosses were written as nasty jerks. Jackie's choice of men were all creeps and abusers. Arnie, that poor fool who was REALLY married to the brute, he was a babbling moron on the show. Roseanne and Dan's fathers, both BAD, BAD men.

Roseanne Barr brought so much baggage from her own life that it reflected poorly on her show, resulting in a shrew running everyone's lives, her husband, kids, sister, friends, everyone she could get her control freak paws on. They tried to rebel sometimes, but everyone was so angry on that show because the brute ruled her roost with an iron fist and an iron tongue.

Nobody stood a chance against her. Just because she said things in a funny way doesn't make it okay. Nice mother, constantly making sarcastic wisecracks against her own family. Great role model.:rolleyes:
:clap

Insightful analysis. Roseanne did bring her issues to the show and she was a dominating and overbearing person, in character and as herself. I've read she was a tyrant to work for on the show. I remember reading that she claimed she was abused by her parents. They denied it, and her family disowned her over it. I lost all respect for Roseanne when she made a mockery of the Star Spangled Banner. She's a headcase.