Does anyone find this offensive?

[D.J.]

My friend goes to a Catholic school and one day during religion class, a kid in his class asked the teacher "Why does Jesus have a 6-pack?" The teacher was showing the class a picture of Jesus and that's when the question came. I don't see where that's offensive but the teacher flipped and gave the kid after school detention. Is that really something to throw a fit over?

[Tootie]

no

[Sterling Holobyte]

My friend goes to a Catholic school and one day during religion class, a kid in his class asked the teacher "Why does Jesus have a 6-pack?" The teacher was showing the class a picture of Jesus and that's when the question came. I don't see where that's offensive but the teacher flipped and gave the kid after school detention. Is that really something to throw a fit over?
I don't know how the kid said it, but it could be that the kid said it in a flippant way. That would be disrespectful not only to Jesus but to the teacher himself. I don't know of a Catholic school teacher who would be that severe if the kid was asking in an innocent and genuine way. None where I went anyway.

[Courtnee]

no. i think it's pretty funny

[JT]

WTF.

That is ridiculous. All that teacher had to do was smile, warn him for talking out of turn or whatever, and move on.

[G-Force Glockstar]

That teacher's stupid! lol

[Ireneparalegal]

I don't know how the kid said it, but it could be that the kid said it in a flippant way. That would be disrespectful not only to Jesus but to the teacher himself. I don't know of a Catholic school teacher who would be that severe if the kid was asking in an innocent and genuine way. None where I went anyway.
:yeahthat
depending on how it was said...sarcastically? with a smirk? Also, it is obvious that the kid was shown a pic of Jesus on the cross, that is the only time we have seen Jesus in pics showing his stomach area. That is so disgusting...to think that is all the kid was thinking abt, rather than the fact that our Lord and Savior sacrificed His life for us.
Having gone to Catholic school myself and my two daughters also went, the fact that Catholic schools don't tolerate a lot of inappropriateness from their students...which is good, considering public schools allow kids to get away with so much stuff it's terrible.

[Brian Damage]

I think it was a stupid question and stupidity like that should be punished.

[KristinHerreraFan]

:lol: wow thats funny

I don't think she punished him because she thought it was wrong, but because he was being kinda disrespectful and rude.

[Hollow]

i guess it depends on his manner; if he said it in a smartass or humorous way, then yes, it was very wrong and immature, being in a catholic school.

[Central Perk]

I think it's because he uses that ab lounge thing.

[Courtnee]

I think it's because he uses that ab lounge thing.
:rofl:

[EmoJoe]

i guess it depends on his manner; if he said it in a smartass or humorous way, then yes, it was very wrong and immature, being in a catholic school.
:nod: yeah, it all depends on how he said it.

[James]

When I see the term "six pack," the first thing that comes to mind is six cans of beer. I have no idea how the student came up with the idea. I never think of beer when I think of my Savior. Was this what the student meant? (For your information, I do not drink beer; I just never cared for the taste.)

[MsOrange]

When I see the term "six pack," the first thing that comes to mind is six cans of beer. I have no idea how the student came up with the idea. I never think of beer when I think of my Savior. Was this what the student meant? (For your information, I do not drink beer; I just never cared for the taste.)
"six pack".... also refers to really good abs.

i guess it depends on his manner; if he said it in a smartass or humorous way, then yes, it was very wrong and immature, being in a catholic school.

^ that.

[JT]

I guess I just don't see the disrespectful nature of it. If someone told me that I had a six pack, I would be flattered, not to mention worried about their sanity.

And believe, Catholic schools are no better than public when it comes to out of control kids, to however implied that there was a difference.

[Janice]

If it was a picture of Jesus on the cross, then I think it was a wiseass and disrespectful remark. I don't think it warranted any big punishement though; just a reprimand from the teacher after class.

[Sterling Holobyte]

And believe, Catholic schools are no better than public when it comes to out of control kids, to however implied that there was a difference.
There is a difference. In Catholic school, you are taught respect and self-discipline, and students who don't show that respect are disciplined. Yes, there are students who step out of line, but they are dealt with, kind of like that (alleged)smart-ass kid.
You see, in Catholic school the teachers, and parents, understand that children are not gods whose every whim has to be fawned over, analyzed, and tip-toed around for fear of "upsetting" them. And their lawyers.
The students are there to learn, and the teachers are free to teach them.
It's also why Catholic school students consistently score higher academically than public school students.

[Moonlight Lady]

That's kind of an odd question. Whether it was a smartass comment or not, I think giving the kid detention is overreacting.

[Ireneparalegal]

There is a difference. In Catholic school, you are taught respect and self-discipline, and students who don't show that respect are disciplined. Yes, there are students who step out of line, but they are dealt with, kind of like that (alleged)smart-ass kid.
You see, in Catholic school the teachers, and parents, understand that children are not gods whose every whim has to be fawned over, analyzed, and tip-toed around for fear of "upsetting" them. And their lawyers.
The students are there to learn, and the teachers are free to teach them.
It's also why Catholic school students consistently score higher academically than public school students.
THANK YOU. You see in catholic schools, NO CRAP IN ANY FASHION IS TOLERATED. None!!!!!! That is not to say everyone who goes to catholic school comes out of there perfect...BUT! the kids do know they cannot get away with anything. Public school kids cuss and nothing happens. At a catholic school, if a cuss word is heard by any teacher or adult, the child is immediately dealt with. Bullying is another thing not tolerated. Unlike public schools which are too busy or don't care abt dealing with this issue, catholic schools don't tolerate it one bit. Also, parents sign documents stating their child will adhere to the strict rules and the disciplinary actions that will come from bad behavior. None of this crap you read abt in the papers abt schools being sued etc. I went to both private and public school....THERE IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE!

[dawsongirl]

*sigh* Why does everyone assume public schools all yield dumb, bratty children? My PUBLIC school was full of very smart people, most of whom were well behaved and respectful. So don't lump all public school together in the trash heap. That's very narrow-minded.

And trust me, not all Catholic school kids are acidemically minded and there to behave and learn. My cousin went to Catholic school for awhile, and learned nothing, behaved like the bitch she still is, and was not taught by anyone who sounded like they cared how much their students learned as long as they paid. So Catholic schools aren't all perfect either.

[MsOrange]

*sigh* Why does everyone assume public schools all yield dumb, bratty children? My PUBLIC school was full of very smart people, most of whom were well behaved and respectful. So don't lump all public school together in the trash heap. That's very narrow-minded.

And trust me, not all Catholic school kids are acidemically minded and there to behave and learn. My cousin went to Catholic school for awhile, and learned nothing, behaved like the bitch she still is, and was not taught by anyone who sounded like they cared how much their students learned as long as they paid. So Catholic schools aren't all perfect either.
THANK YOU

[gilligan fanatic]

I think it was a stupid question and stupidity like that should be punished.

That is what I was going to say.

It was a dumb thing to say in class or out of class.

[Central Perk]

*sigh* Why does everyone assume public schools all yield dumb, bratty children? My PUBLIC school was full of very smart people, most of whom were well behaved and respectful. So don't lump all public school together in the trash heap. That's very narrow-minded.

And trust me, not all Catholic school kids are acidemically minded and there to behave and learn. My cousin went to Catholic school for awhile, and learned nothing, behaved like the bitch she still is, and was not taught by anyone who sounded like they cared how much their students learned as long as they paid. So Catholic schools aren't all perfect either.

I totally agree. I've gone to a public school all my life and think it's just fine. I'm getting a good education and when problems arise they're dealt with.

[Im a big deal]

i dont think its rude, i always wondered the same thing....

[Courtnee]

*sigh* Why does everyone assume public schools all yield dumb, bratty children? My PUBLIC school was full of very smart people, most of whom were well behaved and respectful. So don't lump all public school together in the trash heap. That's very narrow-minded.

And trust me, not all Catholic school kids are acidemically minded and there to behave and learn. My cousin went to Catholic school for awhile, and learned nothing, behaved like the bitch she still is, and was not taught by anyone who sounded like they cared how much their students learned as long as they paid. So Catholic schools aren't all perfect either.
:clap:

[Ireneparalegal]

*sigh* Why does everyone assume public schools all yield dumb, bratty children? My PUBLIC school was full of very smart people, most of whom were well behaved and respectful. So don't lump all public school together in the trash heap. That's very narrow-minded.

And trust me, not all Catholic school kids are acidemically minded and there to behave and learn. My cousin went to Catholic school for awhile, and learned nothing, behaved like the bitch she still is, and was not taught by anyone who sounded like they cared how much their students learned as long as they paid. So Catholic schools aren't all perfect either.
i never put the words dumb or bratty...where in my post did i say that? nowhere. all i said is that public schools and catholic schools are different in how they are different in the disciplinarian way. If you send a troubled kid to a catholic school expecting to "straighten" them out, it won't work. which sounds like what your cousin sounds like. Self-respect and self-discipline starts at home, not by sending them to catholic school. And like i said, I HAVE BEEN TO BOTH TYPES OF SCHOOLS...i can say from experience.

[Czas na Zywiec]

I hated Catholic school. So, so much. But I lived in a huge city, so public schools were'nt any better. Schools in general are better in smaller cities and towns than big cities, regardless if they're Catholic or public. I went to Catholic school for about 10 years and know for a fact I got nothing more out of it than if I had gone to public school all that time. The only thing is you can get away with more in a poublic school than a Catholic one. Uniforms aside (both Catholic and Public schools in Chicago have uniforms required), I could chew gum, have a bottle of water, etc., and they'd kill you if you had that in our Catholic school.

[dawsongirl]

i never put the words dumb or bratty...where in my post did i say that? nowhere. all i said is that public schools and catholic schools are different in how they are different in the disciplinarian way. If you send a troubled kid to a catholic school expecting to "straighten" them out, it won't work. which sounds like what your cousin sounds like. Self-respect and self-discipline starts at home, not by sending them to catholic school. And like i said, I HAVE BEEN TO BOTH TYPES OF SCHOOLS...i can say from experience.
Where in my post did I say I was speaking directly at you? Bratty and dumb was a generalization of opinions.

[JT]

*sigh* Why does everyone assume public schools all yield dumb, bratty children? My PUBLIC school was full of very smart people, most of whom were well behaved and respectful. So don't lump all public school together in the trash heap. That's very narrow-minded.

And trust me, not all Catholic school kids are acidemically minded and there to behave and learn. My cousin went to Catholic school for awhile, and learned nothing, behaved like the bitch she still is, and was not taught by anyone who sounded like they cared how much their students learned as long as they paid. So Catholic schools aren't all perfect either.
Guess who loves you? Yep. It's me.

And you know, I STILL don't get what was so disrespectful about it. I mean, if they kid looked at the picture and said "Why does Jesus have a boner?" I'd definitely understand it, but I mean, wow, pointing out that he must have worked out is like pointing out his long hair or his beard.

[JT]

THANK YOU. You see in catholic schools, NO CRAP IN ANY FASHION IS TOLERATED. None!!!!!! That is not to say everyone who goes to catholic school comes out of there perfect...BUT! the kids do know they cannot get away with anything. Public school kids cuss and nothing happens. At a catholic school, if a cuss word is heard by any teacher or adult, the child is immediately dealt with. Bullying is another thing not tolerated. Unlike public schools which are too busy or don't care abt dealing with this issue, catholic schools don't tolerate it one bit. Also, parents sign documents stating their child will adhere to the strict rules and the disciplinary actions that will come from bad behavior. None of this crap you read abt in the papers abt schools being sued etc. I went to both private and public school....THERE IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE!
Okay, yeah, that might have been true when you went to school, but it isn't anymore, I guarantee it. We had our district literary rally at the local Catholic high school and what did you see on the walls? Condom and birth control ads. There were at least 5 pregnant girls in their graduating class this year.

Don't get me started on how all of those kids think their **** doesn't stink. My friends and I can't have a good time whenever we play their football team, because whenever we walk to the concession stand, we have to pass by groups of those jackasses making comments about how "unkept" and "out of control" public school students are. I have several friends who go to the school, and they have no problem at all socializing with public school students, and none of the people I know have problems with catho school students either, but there are always those who feel that they are higher up than the rest of us because mommy and daddy don't want them to associate with people who make less money than them.

Given the choice between public and private/catho school, I would never, ever, ever pick private/catho. Never. Ever.

[EmoJoe]

*sigh* Why does everyone assume public schools all yield dumb, bratty children? My PUBLIC school was full of very smart people, most of whom were well behaved and respectful. So don't lump all public school together in the trash heap. That's very narrow-minded.

And trust me, not all Catholic school kids are acidemically minded and there to behave and learn. My cousin went to Catholic school for awhile, and learned nothing, behaved like the bitch she still is, and was not taught by anyone who sounded like they cared how much their students learned as long as they paid. So Catholic schools aren't all perfect either.
:nod: exactly. i know someone who goes to catholic school, and more crap goes on there then in public school.

[dawsongirl]

Guess who loves you? Yep. It's me.

:heart:

[TJL]

I don't find it offensive. I don't find it terribly funny either.

[dawsongirl]

Don't get me started on how all of those kids think their **** doesn't stink. My friends and I can't have a good time whenever we play their football team, because whenever we walk to the concession stand, we have to pass by groups of those jackasses making comments about how "unkept" and "out of control" public school students are. I have several friends who go to the school, and they have no problem at all socializing with public school students, and none of the people I know have problems with catho school students either, but there are always those who feel that they are higher up than the rest of us because mommy and daddy don't want them to associate with people who make less money than them.

We have a Catholic HS here, and I've seen maybe 1 girl who didn't act like, "I pay to go to school and we buy our athletes, so I'm better than you." Their girl's basketball team and my HS's team seemed to always be playing eachother in the playoffs when I was there, and their team...omg, dirty little crybabies. And their fans were the rudest teens I've ever seen.

That's definetly not to say I went to school with angels (my school was full of rich snobs too), but it seemed like the Catholic school's group was larger in number and much louder.

[Sterling Holobyte]

THANK YOU. You're welcome.:) Hey, us rich Catholic school snobs have to stick together, don't we?!;)

I went to both private and public school....THERE IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE!Yeah, so did I. From my personal experience, I went from 8 years of Catholic Elementary school where the teachers actually wanted you to learn, and cared about teaching you, to a public junior high school where most of the teachers couldn't have cared less what you did. Senior high was a wee bit better, thankfully.
And as far as Catholic school kids being rich snobs, I didn't see any of that.
My parents sent all 5 of us through Catholic elementary school, both on lower to middle class incomes(my Dad was a cook and my Mom was a dietition - hardly big money careers) and I'm glad they did. I don't think I would have the foundation I have if I would've only gone to public school.

[gilligan fanatic]

holy heck, I can't belive you said that.

"Private schools (whether Catholic or not) have only brought upon snobs IMO,"

Not everyone goes to private school because of the money and the reputation. A lot of people go because they can't cope with all the people at a regular school. I will tell you one thing, I know there would not be people smoking in the bathroom or people get drunk at football games or fights were people are sent to jail in a private school. The teachers are afraid of the students at my school. It should not be like that. In a private school the students have respect for there teachers.

I go to a public school and we waste so much time from distractions from all the bad, rude, and kids who don't care about school or anything for that matter. Looking back I think I would have liked to go to a private school. I'm Catholic, so that could have been a possibility as well.

[dawsongirl]

Not everyone goes to private school because of the money and the reputation.

Around here most of them do.

I will tell you one thing, I know there would not be people smoking in the bathroom or people get drunk at football games or fights were people are sent to jail in a private school.

Again, not around here. The private school kids have the money for booze just like the public school kids and they use it.

Sorry any of you had public school teachers who didn't care, but you know what? Teachers that don't care are EVERYWHERE. I had both. I had teachers that only taught so they could coach, and I had some who were very passionate about teaching. That's pretty universal.

[TJL]

I went to Catholic High School, and I'm not a snob.

Let's not jump to conclusions, you public High School burnouts.

;)

[gilligan fanatic]

Around here most of them do.



Define "Most" do you really know why they do it? Do you work at a private school? Do you have facts and figures explaing the reason why they go to a private school? Seriously if you do I would like to see the reasons, but I don't think "most" should be used until you know the reasons, not just what you hear.

[JT]

Define "Most" do you really know why they do it? Do you work at a private school? Do you have facts and figures explaing the reason why they go to a private school? Seriously if you do I would like to see the reasons, but I don't think "most" should be used until you know the reasons, not just what you hear.
I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I dont need any facts and figures to tell me what's right in my face. The fact that the catho school kids all live in rich suburbs with names like Fallondale and Goldenvale and Sparrow Lawn pretty much says it all.

I don't need to go to a catho school or work at one to know what goes on in the one where I live. What goes on there goes on at all of the public high schools in this area too and that's a fact.

And here's a newsflash, you don't have to be catholic to go to a catholic high school. Not the one here at least.

[gilligan fanatic]

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I dont need any facts and figures to tell me what's right in my face. The fact that the catho school kids all live in rich suburbs with names like Fallondale and Goldenvale and Sparrow Lawn pretty much says it all.

I don't need to go to a catho school or work at one to know what goes on in the one where I live. What goes on there goes on at all of the public high schools in this area too and that's a fact.

And here's a newsflash, you don't have to be catholic to go to a catholic high school. Not the one here at least.

I don't get how you can say such a broad statement like that.

How would you like me to say all "***s" like Elton John, like fashion, are snippy, cry all the time, and sounded feminine.

Or how about saying all black people like fried chicken and eat watermelon

or all white people like to listen to Johnny Cash and watch Nascar.

You saying that about public schools is like me saying all those stereotypes I just mentioned.

You can't gernealize like you just did about private schools.

[dawsongirl]

Define "Most" do you really know why they do it? Do you work at a private school? Do you have facts and figures explaing the reason why they go to a private school? Seriously if you do I would like to see the reasons, but I don't think "most" should be used until you know the reasons, not just what you hear.
Um...do you live here? K, so, I know what I see. And I can use any word I want. Most is accurate. I didn't say all....I said most.

Where are your "facts and figures"? Haven't seen any pie charts from you.

[dawsongirl]

I don't get how you can say such a broad statement like that.

How would you like me to say all "***s" like Elton John, like fashion, are snippy, cry all the time, and sounded feminine.

Or how about saying all black people like fried chicken and eat watermelon

or all white people like to listen to Johnny Cash and watch Nascar.

You saying that about public schools is like me saying all those stereotypes I just mentioned.

You can't gernealize like you just did about private schools.
O_O

what?

[JT]

I don't get how you can say such a broad statement like that.

How would you like me to say all "***s" like Elton John, like fashion, are snippy, cry all the time, and sounded feminine.

Or how about saying all black people like fried chicken and eat watermelon

or all white people like to listen to Johnny Cash and watch Nascar.

You saying that about public schools is like me saying all those stereotypes I just mentioned.

You can't gernealize like you just did about private schools.
What generalized statement!?

It is a FACT that about 85% of the kids who attend the local catholic high school live in one of the well-to-do suburbs that surround it.

A generalization would be Irene's smoke about how all Catholic school kids go there "to learn." That's just not true.

[Yooch]

I think it was a stupid question and stupidity like that should be punished.

Coudn't have said it better myself. Thank you!

[Sharop]

Quite frankly.... you're crazy, and I'm sure Catholic schools didn't help.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being crazy. Being mentally ill, with an illness like manic depression or schizophrenia, is bad. But there's nothing wrong with could old quirky, eccentric craziness.

Doc Brown was slightly crazy...and he was great (as well as a genius.)

Crazy people unite!

[MsOrange]

I will tell you one thing, I know there would not be people smoking in the bathroom or people get drunk at football games or fights were people are sent to jail in a private school. The teachers are afraid of the students at my school. It should not be like that. In a private school the students have respect for there teachers.
surely you aren't that gullible

No school is perfect, nor do they house perfect students, public or private. Just because a kid goes to private school, doesn't mean they are going to not get drunk on friday night, and just because a kid goes to public school, doesn't mean they will.

Lumping schools into one big sterotype is ignorant.

[MsOrange]

And like i said, I HAVE BEEN TO BOTH TYPES OF SCHOOLS...i can say from experience.
like 20 years ago?

[Sharop]

like 20 years ago?

Hey, I went to school 500 years ago, and I still consider myself to be experienced on these matters.

[MsOrange]

Hey, I went to school 500 years ago, and I still consider myself to be experienced on these matters.
ok...

the comment was not meant as offensive, but it's a fact that times have changed a bit. For public AND private schools.

[Jonathan]

Just because someone goes to a private school or religion-based school DOES NOT mean they are perfect. It has too many factors to consider, private or public if they are PERFECT, like some people are saying.

Because some of you attented private or Catholic schools, did you attend one in ALL 50 states? Or in this decade, for that matter? Times do change, you see.

[Jonathan]

i never put the words dumb or bratty...where in my post did i say that? nowhere. all i said is that public schools and catholic schools are different in how they are different in the disciplinarian way. If you send a troubled kid to a catholic school expecting to "straighten" them out, it won't work. which sounds like what your cousin sounds like. Self-respect and self-discipline starts at home, not by sending them to catholic school. And like i said, I HAVE BEEN TO BOTH TYPES OF SCHOOLS...i can say from experience.
Schools vary. Whether the school is based on religion, or is public, they vary. Not all schools, even if they are private, are as strict as that. It is common sense. Not every Catholic school is 100% PERFECTION.

[gilligan fanatic]

where the hell did anyone say either school was perfect?

[JT]

where the hell did anyone say either school was perfect?
Nobody had to say it. I pretty much got that from Irene's posts and yours. The fact that she said that they go there to learn...that is just ridiculous. I don't have any facts and figures because I don't need any. Most of the students at the catholic school here go there because their parents have tons of money and because their parents (and, in a way, the students) don't want to mix with people who aren't upper middle class.

[Jonathan]

Nobody had to say it. I pretty much got that from Irene's posts and yours. The fact that she said that they go there to learn...that is just ridiculous. I don't have any facts and figures because I don't need any. Most of the students at the catholic school here go there because their parents have tons of money and because their parents (and, in a way, the students) don't want to mix with people who aren't upper middle class.
:clap: Exactly. They usually go there because of bad social skills or thinking they are too good. If I felt the need to go to Catholic school, I could. But I think in the long run a regular school environment is best.

[Jonathan]

where the hell did anyone say either school was perfect?
Catholic schools punish students, yada yada. *cough*

[MsOrange]

where the hell did anyone say either school was perfect?
Some have implied that private is perfect COMPARED to public

[gilligan fanatic]

Some have implied that private is perfect COMPARED to public

Not here so you shouldn't say it like we did.

Catholic schools punish students, yada yada. *cough*

What's your point? Discipline never hurt anyone, but that has nothing to do with me saying I never said it was perfect, so that has nothing to do with anything.

[JT]

Not here so you shouldn't say it like we did.



What's your point? Discipline never hurt anyone, but that has nothing to do with me saying I never said it was perfect, so that has nothing to do with anything.
WTF Is she not allowed to respond to one of your posts? The reason why she replied to it in a different post was because it was unrelated to the quote from the other post.

[gilligan fanatic]

WTF Is she not allowed to respond to one of your posts? The reason why she replied to it in a different post was because it was unrelated to the quote from the other post.

All I did was put to responses in one post so I wouldn't have two posts in a row.

Did I say she couldn't respond? You guys (or gays) like to put words in peoples mouths don't you. You have done this constantly throughout this whole thread.

[JT]

All I did was put to responses in one post so I wouldn't have two posts in a row.

Did I say she couldn't respond? You guys (or gays) like to put words in peoples mouths don't you. You have done this constantly throughout this whole thread.
What does sexuality have to do with ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD AT ALL!?!?!??!?!?!

And I never said that you said that she wasn't allowed to respond. I was ASKING you that, HENCE THE QUESTION MARK.

[MsOrange]

All I did was put to responses in one post so I wouldn't have two posts in a row.

Did I say she couldn't respond? You guys (or gays) like to put words in peoples mouths don't you. You have done this constantly throughout this whole thread.
wow, you are so mature. Did you go to private school?

[Michael [hXc]]

Did I say she couldn't respond? You guys (or gays) like to put words in peoples mouths don't you. You have done this constantly throughout this whole thread.

that was just rude.

[Janice]

Please don't argue. Thank you.

[gilligan fanatic]

I am not stepping back from what I said, you all have been twisting my words around the whole thread. Just read your replies to mine. This is all I will say because it has really been distracted from DJ's original question. You really can't pay attention to what you all say at all. I am done Janice.

[Courtnee]

that was just rude.
yeah. somebodys a homophobe...hint.... it's not me

[JT]

I am not stepping back from what I said, you all have been twisting my words around the whole thread. Just read your replies to mine. This is all I will say because it has really been distracted from DJ's original question. You really can't pay attention to what you all say at all. I am done Janice.
Twisting your words where? Irene replied to the original question saying that private/catho schools enforce discipline more and all of that, and I responded by saying that many private/catho school students aren't the little angels that they seem to be and then Sterling Holobyte got into it by blatantly pointing out to me, through the use of public school generalizations, that private/catho schools don't "fawn" over the students (and their "lawyers," which is funny, because I'm sure public school students are less likely to have their own lawyers than private school students). And to top it off, he basically said that private/catholic school students are smarter than public school students.

And then he and Irene said that catholic and private school students "are there to learn." As opposed to us public school students? Are we there for the free food (which, by the way, I have to pay $1.15 a day for)?

"Public school kids cuss and nothing happens," is something that Irene said. Yeah, whatever. In the 9th grade, I was having a terrible migrane headache and a sore throat and the teacher accused me of lying, and out of rage I called her a heartless bitch. Three days detention, my friend. Worth every day.

"Public schools, which are too busy or don't care," is something else Irene said. Being...a current...public school...student, I think I know more about that than a woman who has been out of school for what, 20 years now?

"I don't think I would have the foundation I have if I would have only gone to public school," is something that Sterling said. Is that to imply that public school students have no foundation in life?

"I know there would not be people smoking in the bathroom or people get drunk at football games or fights were people are sent to jail in a private school," is something that Gilligan said. ARE YOU FRICKIN KIDDING ME!? I've seen the fights with my own two eyes! I've seen the drinking! They don't smoke in the bathroom, though. The second the bell rings and they're out of the school zone, they pull out their cigs and light 'em up. I've seen it with my own two eyes.

"I go to a public school and we waste so much time from distractions from all the bad, rude, and kids who don't care about school or anything for that matter," is also something that Gilligan said. I go to public school myself and I personally am not distracted by other students who crave attention. I can't be too alone in that either, because there are honors and GT classes in almost all public high schools, am I right? And if students are distracted, how are they to learn? And if they aren't learning, how are they smart enough to be in honors and GT? It all connects.

"Do you work at a private school? Do you have facts and figures explaing the reason why they go to a private school? Seriously if you do I would like to see the reasons, but I don't think "most" should be used until you know the reasons, not just what you hear," is also something said by Gilligan. Like I already said, I don't need facts and figures to know things that I see. I don't hear, I see it.

Nobody had to twist any words or anything. If what you typed something that is opposite to what you meant, then that's your fault. I fed off of what I read and I didn't have to make anything up.

And then when you add to that the mention of "gays," well...I just don't know what to say.

And for the record, I'm never done until it is clear to all involved that when I debate or argue or fight or whatever you want to call it, I don't twist words or make things up or anything. I get my argument from two things: experience and response. I know what I have experienced and people respond to my side of the debate.

[Stuck In The '70's]

Twisting your words where? Irene replied to the original question saying that private/catho schools enforce discipline more and all of that, and I responded by saying that many private/catho school students aren't the little angels that they seem to be and then Sterling Holobyte got into it by blatantly pointing out to me, through the use of public school generalizations, that private/catho schools don't "fawn" over the students (and their "lawyers," which is funny, because I'm sure public school students are less likely to have their own lawyers than private school students). And to top it off, he basically said that private/catholic school students are smarter than public school students.

And then he and Irene said that catholic and private school students "are there to learn." As opposed to us public school students? Are we there for the free food (which, by the way, I have to pay $1.15 a day for)?

"Public school kids cuss and nothing happens," is something that Irene said. Yeah, whatever. In the 9th grade, I was having a terrible migrane headache and a sore throat and the teacher accused me of lying, and out of rage I called her a heartless bitch. Three days detention, my friend. Worth every day.

"Public schools, which are too busy or don't care," is something else Irene said. Being...a current...public school...student, I think I know more about that than a woman who has been out of school for what, 20 years now?

"I don't think I would have the foundation I have if I would have only gone to public school," is something that Sterling said. Is that to imply that public school students have no foundation in life?

"I know there would not be people smoking in the bathroom or people get drunk at football games or fights were people are sent to jail in a private school," is something that Gilligan said. ARE YOU FRICKIN KIDDING ME!? I've seen the fights with my own two eyes! I've seen the drinking! They don't smoke in the bathroom, though. The second the bell rings and they're out of the school zone, they pull out their cigs and light 'em up. I've seen it with my own two eyes.

"I go to a public school and we waste so much time from distractions from all the bad, rude, and kids who don't care about school or anything for that matter," is also something that Gilligan said. I go to public school myself and I personally am not distracted by other students who crave attention. I can't be too alone in that either, because there are honors and GT classes in almost all public high schools, am I right? And if students are distracted, how are they to learn? And if they aren't learning, how are they smart enough to be in honors and GT? It all connects.

"Do you work at a private school? Do you have facts and figures explaing the reason why they go to a private school? Seriously if you do I would like to see the reasons, but I don't think "most" should be used until you know the reasons, not just what you hear," is also something said by Gilligan. Like I already said, I don't need facts and figures to know things that I see. I don't hear, I see it.

Nobody had to twist any words or anything. If what you typed something that is opposite to what you meant, then that's your fault. I fed off of what I read and I didn't have to make anything up.

And then when you add to that the mention of "gays," well...I just don't know what to say.

And for the record, I'm never done until it is clear to all involved that when I debate or argue or fight or whatever you want to call it, I don't twist words or make things up or anything. I get my argument from two things: experience and response. I know what I have experienced and people respond to my side of the debate.
Public Schools must have improved a lot over the last 20 years because back then they sucked big time. And yes we had honor students too, people who got through it. It didn't mean that the school wasn't loaded with bad apples.

[KissMyGrits]

Okay, I have stayed out of this discussion until now.

I went to public school and it sucked. My son is 9. He has been in a Baptist private school for four years. He takes achievement tests every year. He is testing "above" grade level on every subject. In fact his language comprehension is at a high school level.

I will NEVER send him to a public school. Yes, there are bad apples in private schools. However, there are fewer in private schools than there are in public schools. The teachers don't use the same discipline that they use in Catholic schools.

That being said my neice is two years behind my son. She goes to a public school in our area. She is so far behind it isn't funny. The teachers are so busy teaching the FCAT test that the kids have no opportunity to learn the basics of the grade they are in.

The ratio of teachers to students are crazy in public schools here. Something like 45 to 1. Private school ratio? 24 to 1. Also the parents have to volunteer at the school for a set number of hours per year. The parents and students also sign a code of conduct at the beginning of the year. If they are caught smoking or drinking, even off of school grounds, they can be suspended or expelled.

Please don't lump all private school students together. They are not all alike, just like all public school students are not the same. Some kids love learning and no matter whether it is public or private schools they will turn out fine. Take it from a public school educated accountant!! LOL!!

[JT]

Please don't lump all private school students together. They are not all alike, just like all public school students are not the same. Some kids love learning and no matter whether it is public or private schools they will turn out fine. Take it from a public school educated accountant!! LOL!!

I totally agree. Everytime I made a statement about private/catho school students, I made sure to say that it was based solely on what I see at the one that's right here in town.

Those who are coming off as anti-public schools are making it seem that one could not get a proper education in public schools. I have done pretty well for myself and there haven't been many times where students were caught smoking or drinking in the bathrooms here, as opposed to our local catholic school.

Public Schools must have improved a lot over the last 20 years because back then they sucked big time. And yes we had honor students too, people who got through it. It didn't mean that the school wasn't loaded with bad apples.

Oh, our school is definitely loaded with bad apples, but everyone who happens to want to be there are doing very well for themselves and are getting by successfully. Like you said, things have changed a lot in schools over the last 20 years, and I know I don't have the first-hand knowledge of being in a school 20 years ago, but my parents (one graduated in 1979 and the other graduated in 1980) have always, for as long as I remembered, told me how thankful I should be that schools now are as they are. Public schools may have more bad apples than private schools, but to say that the teachers and administrators don't care is just wrong. It makes it seem that in the education world, private schools are Hilton and public schools are Motel 6.

[D.J.]

Public Schools must have improved a lot over the last 20 years because back then they sucked big time. And yes we had honor students too, people who got through it. It didn't mean that the school wasn't loaded with bad apples.


I don't know about the rest of the country but public schools in New York City certaintly are not improving under any circumstances. In 9th grade, there was a gang fight between 3 gangs. The principal got decked by a kid. That's how ugly it got. Now you all know what my high school was like, hell.

[Janice]

Public schools in certain areas of Boston are off-the-charts violent. Many have metal detectors. The gangs, drugs, violence towards teachers...it's just crazy. I read about it in the paper and see it on the local news all the time.

There are some very good public schools in Boston and in the rest of Massachusetts.

I can't speak about private schools, but I'm not hearing anything terrible about them.

[dawsongirl]

You guys (or gays)

O_O

Seriously....that was the WORST answer to an argument I've ever seen. And indicitive of having no argument at all. O_O O_O

[Sharop]

ok...

the comment was not meant as offensive, but it's a fact that times have changed a bit. For public AND private schools.

I know. I just wanted to point out that I went to school 500 years ago.

Gilligan Fanatic, I don't think she should have made that "gays" comment. There is nothing wrong with being gay, in my opinion.

Gilligan Fanatic, do you like Elton John? Good old Elton is gay, and is an extremely talented singer.

[Janice]

$$ Cover ups are expensive.
I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but anyone who thinks that private and public schools have the same level of violence is living in a dream world. There are public schools in Boston that are like war zones.

[Sharop]

Wise words from THE GREAT John Lennon:

"Why make it sad to be gay?
Doing your thing is okay.
Our body's our own, so leave us alone,
And play with yourself today."

I love you, John!

[JT]

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but anyone who thinks that private and public schools have the same level of violence is living in a dream world. There are public schools in Boston that are like war zones.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, but I have a question. How many inner city, urban high schools are there compared to suburban/rural high schools?

Because I live in an area that is made up of one large city, one slightly smaller city, and two small, rural census-designated places, but to everyone who lives here, it's like one huge city, and we have 5 public high schools and 2 Catholic high schools. When it comes to violence and that sort of thing, the 2 Catholic schools are just like the 5 public schools. None of them around here are dangerously violent to the point of constant police security needed. Even when we took in hundreds of New Orleans students, we didn't need that.

[Janice]

It could be a big city/inner city deal. I don't know. I do know that big cities have their problems with public schools...New York, Boston, LA, Chicago, Detroit, Maryland and others.

I'm not making the claim that private schools don't have their issues with violence, but not on the scale of public schools.

My husband's niece and her husband are out of this world rich. Their three daughters attend Buckingham, Browne & Nichols, a private school in Cambridge. It's K to 12. It cost $25 grand per student, per year. My former boss's daughter went there as well. I would bet my life that nobody at the school is carrying weapons.

Whereas, the public school system in Boston is a mess. There are some good public schools, but they're outweighed by the bad. I can't believe the news reports sometimes.

The public schools in the suburbs are much better.

[Jonathan]

I know. I just wanted to point out that I went to school 500 years ago.

Gilligan Fanatic, I don't think she should have made that "gays" comment. There is nothing wrong with being gay, in my opinion.

Gilligan Fanatic, do you like Elton John? Good old Elton is gay, and is an extremely talented singer.
The point is, this thread does not have anything to do about sexuality. It has to do about private and public schools. He used "gay" to try to cover up he has a mediocre argument, that has no purpose.

[Jonathan]

Some have implied that private is perfect COMPARED to public
Well, they must be. They cost 25 grand per year. :lol:

[Janice]

Well, they must be. They cost 25 grand per year. :lol:
That's right, and the students are getting a great education. If anything, I think private schools ride the students too hard. Two to three hours of homework every night. Private schools really prepare the students for college.

My niece and nephews graduated from public schools over the last 10 years, and they had homework here and there.

[Sharop]

The point is, this thread does not have anything to do about sexuality. It has to do about private and public schools. He used "gay" to try to cover up he has a mediocre argument.

Do you like Elton John, Monday Dreamer?

Is nobody impressed that I went to school 500 years ago? It's something that not many other people have done.

[Karen*]

Do you like Elton John, Monday Dreamer?

Is nobody impressed that I went to school 500 years ago? It's something that not many other people have done.
How is that possible? Your profile says you're only 17. :confused:

[Czas na Zywiec]

How is that possible? Your profile says you're only 17. :confused:

Interesting, isn't it?


Anyway, out of the two high schools I went to, I prefered the public one 10000% more. I don't think Catholic schools have any edge on public ones, it just matters where the school is located. All schools in the Chicagoland area, public or Catholic, are terrible. But my parents but me in Catholic school anyway because they thought it was better. Sure, it wasn't as overcrowded as public school (my 8th grade graduating class was 18, as opposed to like 40 at the public school in our district), so it was easier to catch on because of the smaller class sizes, but there would be tuition hikes every year, they made our parents work the carnival or else we wouldn't be allowed to attend, we had to do all this stupid fundraising, etc. Then high school came and I was sent to an all boys Catholic high school. And you don't want to know how horrible that was. Guys are so so so much more immature and testosterone driven when women are out of the picture. There'd always be fights in the hallway, bullies, etc., and the public school I went to (which was co-ed, thank God) there was much less of that.

So the problem is that innercity schools are terrible, no matter if they're Catholic or Public (Private schools are another matter, but I don't know much about them so I'm not mentioning them) when you go out to the wealthier suburbs and small towns, that where (both public and Catholic) schools are really, really good. Like Cathy, went to school in Des Moines. Des Moines is a nice, quiet city in the midwest, not too much crime, safe for the most part, which makes for good public schools. Take my hometown, Chicago, and you get the worst public schools in the nation.

[KissMyGrits]

That's right, and the students are getting a great education. If anything, I think private schools ride the students too hard. Two to three hours of homework every night. Private schools really prepare the students for college.

My niece and nephews graduated from public schools over the last 10 years, and they had homework here and there.
I totally agree with you!! My son is going into 4th grade this year. He has homework nearly every night. The only night that he doesn't have homework is on Wednesday nights. Sometimes we have to balance family time with homework time.

Then there are projects they have to do every year. Last year in 3rd grade he had to do an animal notebook. He had a total of 30 animals to do. He had to cut out pictures and write five facts for each animal. In addition to that he had to write the facts in cursive and in pen. He is doing algebra in math and he is required to read at least 30 chapter books per year. Each book has to be at least 200 pages. He also has books that he has to read over the summer. He has read 2 books so far and is on his third one now.

In second grade he had to do a science fair project. Oh and I don't pay 25 grand a year. The cost for his school and the aftercare program is a little over $6000. Not too high of a price to pay for my son's education. It is worth every penny.

He has been to the principal's office a few times for minor offenses. One was for writing on his desk. Oh no! He's gonna end up in juvenile hall!! LOL!!

[Sharop]

Interesting, isn't it?

Why is my profile interesting?

How is that possible? Your profile says you're only 17. :confused:

I am only 17. But you see, Doc Brown came and picked me up in his DeLorean time machine and took me back in time to 1492, and I went to school for a while. :)

[Karen*]

Why is my profile interesting?



I am only 17. But you see, Doc Brown came and picked me up in his DeLorean time machine and took me back in time to 1492, and I went to school for a while. :)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/twice_da_sweetness/Avatars/AI5%20O%20RLY%20avs/aceorly.gif

Awesome. :grady:

[Sharop]

You want to come along for a ride with Doc Brown and me sometime, Girl Next Door?

[dawsongirl]

The point is, this thread does not have anything to do about sexuality. It has to do about private and public schools. He used "gay" to try to cover up he has a mediocre argument.
:yeahthat

[dawsongirl]

That's right, and the students are getting a great education. If anything, I think private schools ride the students too hard. Two to three hours of homework every night. Private schools really prepare the students for college.

My niece and nephews graduated from public schools over the last 10 years, and they had homework here and there.

I had homework every single night at my public school. And they enjoyed scheduling tests all at the same time so you had to study for 5 in one night.

[dawsongirl]

So the problem is that innercity schools are terrible, no matter if they're Catholic or Public (Private schools are another matter, but I don't know much about them so I'm not mentioning them) when you go out to the wealthier suburbs and small towns, that where (both public and Catholic) schools are really, really good. Like Cathy, went to school in Des Moines. Des Moines is a nice, quiet city in the midwest, not too much crime, safe for the most part, which makes for good public schools. Take my hometown, Chicago, and you get the worst public schools in the nation.

Oh yes. Our "inner-city" high schools probably look like a fancy suburban school to some kids in Chicago. To me, they were kinda scary because all sorts of odd looking people with dangerous hobbies went there. But at my rich suburban school...we had the same thing, just fewer of them so it wasn't as obvious and it was easier to hide from.

Big difference was just the amount of $$ the student's parents had. And the Catholic HS here was exactly the same as the suburban schools.

[Sterling Holobyte]

WRONG.
Catholic schools kick you out if there's the chance of you failing.... public schools deal with you. Private schools (whether Catholic or not) have only brought upon snobs IMO, and those teachers didn't care about you in middle school because nobody cares about middle school students. Honestly, even the well behaved ones are little brats, and even while I was in middle school I knew it.
Well, you got one thing right in your post - it's your opinion.

[cmcb06]

I went to a Christian Based Private School from Kindergarten-6th grade. And let me tell you, I HATED IT. Some people love it, because it is supposedly the best thing ever. But to me personally it was a living hell. They were so backwards, knew nothing about the real world, just religion and standarized Education. No clue about what was going on in reality. Was so glad after I was done with my elementary years that my parents allowed me to go to a local Junior High. That was when I found my true self.

[Karen*]

You want to come along for a ride with Doc Brown and me sometime, Girl Next Door?

:lol: Thanks, but I'll pass. :)

[Sterling Holobyte]

and then Sterling Holobyte got into it by blatantly pointing out to me, through the use of public school generalizations, that private/catho schools don't "fawn" over the students.What generalizations? The fact that the far-left is attempting to take over our public schools to perpetuate their agenda, and in doing so have caused collateral damage through their works by putting the students up on a "rights" pedestal so high that God himself couldn't reach them. Teachers can't teach well when they are afraid of their students.
(and their "lawyers," which is funny, because I'm sure public school students are less likely to have their own lawyers than private school students).Well, public school students will be sure to have the aclu on their side. ...That is, unless the students wants to do something really offensive, like pray silently to themselves.

btw, did you even read the part of my post about my parent's jobs? They couldn't have afforded a lawyer if they wanted one.

And to top it off, he basically said that private/catholic school students are smarter than public school students..No, I didn't say "smarter". I said "do better academically", which is a fact. Check the stats.
Public school students aren't dummies, but they could do a lot better if they were taught a little more self-discipline.

And then he and Irene said that catholic and private school students "are there to learn." As opposed to us public school students? Are we there for the free food (which, by the way, I have to pay $1.15 a day for)?.I never said public school students weren't there to learn. But, again, it's harder to learn when your teachers are afraid to teach because they are too worried about getting sued for trying to discipline the troublemakers, or for not being politically correct enough and "offending" someone.

"I don't think I would have the foundation I have if I would have only gone to public school," is something that Sterling said. Is that to imply that public school students have no foundation in life?.I said that because that is something I feel deep down. It's a personal thing. I really don't know what kind of foundation, if any, you might have gleaned from your public school experience. And I don't care to.

[JT]

What generalizations? The fact that the far-left is attempting to take over our public schools to perpetuate their agenda, and in doing so have caused collateral damage through their works by putting the students up on a "rights" pedestal so high that God himself couldn't reach them. Teachers can't teach well when they are afraid of their students.

What does politics have to do with anything? And who said that public school teachers are afraid of their students? At my public school, teachers have no reason to be afraid of their students, and they aren't. If someone screws up, they are sent to the office and dealt with.

Well, public school students will be sure to have the aclu on their side. ...That is, unless the students wants to do something really offensive, like pray silently to themselves.

btw, did you even read the part of my post about my parent's jobs? They couldn't have afforded a lawyer if they wanted one.

Yes, and the last time any public school student around here needed a lawyer was when a 10th grade Social Studies teacher tried to pay him for sex.

No, I didn't say "smarter". I said "do better academically", which is a fact. Check the stats.
Public school students aren't dummies, but they could do a lot better if they were taught a little more self-discipline.

All right, I'll give you that one. I did misquote you and stats don't lie. And we as in the students at my school do just fine with the self-discipline that we have because there is rarely a need for it. If/when someone causes trouble, it almost never affects their schoolwork, at least in the cases that I know of. I'm surprised at how some kids, who I thought were complete dumbasses, do very good in grades.

I never said public school students weren't there to learn. But, again, it's harder to learn when your teachers are afraid to teach because they are too worried about getting sued for trying to discipline the troublemakers, or for not being politically correct enough and "offending" someone.

Okay, can we stop using "tough," inner-city public schools in cities like New York, Detroit, Chicago, and others, as a representation of the hundreds of small town/suburban high schools? When people screw up at my school, they get what they deserve, end of story. No teachers are afraid to take care of troublemakers here.

I said that because that is something I feel deep down. It's a personal thing. I really don't know what kind of foundation, if any, you might have gleaned from your public school experience. And I don't care to.

I have a very good foundation, I believe, and many of my close friends are better off emotionally than I am. I'm highly proud of my public school education, as I would not have been able to experience such a vast number of situations or meet such a vast number of my contemporaries, many of whom were Catholic elementary students who moved on to public high school. Wouldn't trade it for a thing.

[Sharop]

:lol: Thanks, but I'll pass. :)

Oh, that's a shame. Why?

I think you'd really like the Doc. And Marty would probably be with us.

[Rachel3118]

I only ever went to public school. I felt like with some classes the work is really hard while in others there is like none. I don't think teachers were ever very strict at punishing kids. People could really get away with most anything. I feel that private schools would be more strict, but I don't really know.

Back to the main question. Asking the question was inapropriate because they are dealing with a serious matter and that had nothing to do with it. To me his punishment should depend on if he was serious or kidding. A public school would rarley give punishment for something like this but I guess it is more common to give punishments in a private school.

[rusyd]

:yeahthat
depending on how it was said...sarcastically? with a smirk? Also, it is obvious that the kid was shown a pic of Jesus on the cross, that is the only time we have seen Jesus in pics showing his stomach area. That is so disgusting...to think that is all the kid was thinking abt, rather than the fact that our Lord and Savior sacrificed His life for us.
Having gone to Catholic school myself and my two daughters also went, the fact that Catholic schools don't tolerate a lot of inappropriateness from their students...which is good, considering public schools allow kids to get away with so much stuff it's terrible.

I agree.