rap vs. rock

[ckrtpametulia]

rock by far i think rap eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwww

[Mossopp]

Yeah, rock is a million times better. I do own a few rap/hip hop records but rock is definately better.
Ever since I heard 'Appetite for Destruction' by Guns n Roses when I was just 5 years old I've been a rock fan.
I do like the whole rock/rap fusion thing though. Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit forever!!!! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif
Mossopp

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[Meg07945]

rock

[Cokies]

Good ole' Rock 'n' Roll.

[ILuvJo&Blair]

Of course rap is by far better than rock. Rock gives me a tremendous headache, and i can never understand what they are saying except for mabey a few artists. But rap has hidden mesages that you have to listen closely too, like in 2Pac's music.

[Cokies]

Originally posted by ILuvJo&Blair:
i can never understand what they are saying except for mabey a few artists.

Rap isn't exactly the easiest thing to listen to either. All I hear half the time is..." Blah, blah, ****, blah, gun's blazin', blah, wubba, wubba, yada, sluts, rollin in my benz, blah, ****, blah"

Sorry to be blunt.
No disrespect though... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif



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" I love the dark, I love the dark. But I hate nature. I HATE nature ." - Chunk

[ckrtpametulia]

Originally posted by ILuvJo&Blair:
Of course rap is by far better than rock. Rock gives me a tremendous headache, and i can never understand what they are saying except for mabey a few artists. But rap has hidden mesages that you have to listen closely too, like in 2Pac's music.
rock is not at all like what they say on sissy cartoons you aubviously havnt listened to any real rock and roll

[ckrtpametulia]

and plus all they do is cuss in friQQin rap exept 4 the kids and they r "using hidden words" that r cussing anyways

[ILuvJo&Blair]

Originally posted by ckrtpametulia:
and plus all they do is cuss in friQQin rap exept 4 the kids and they r "using hidden words" that r cussing anyways

That's not entirely true. If you were to listen to real rap you would find that they use very little profanity. If you ever listened to any great rap star like 2Pac you would see that their music is a message. I can bet you that you have no clue as to what 2Pac even raps about. He raps about how his people get stereotyped as filthy poverty level 'Black' people and in acuality when you call an african american 'black' that is a major put down. He also raps about racism and a lot of crap we have been put through by the higher class caucasion people. That's what he truely raps about not some bitches and hoes.

Now from what you say about all the cussing, it's true but you are listning to todays rap which has changes greatly over the past 5 years when 2Pac died. I don't listen to that crap! that's not even real rap. And to let you know one thing about the kid rappers, I don't know what kid rapper you listen to because the ones like Lil' Bow Wow and Lil' Romeo don't cus. Not once have I heard any of their lyrics that have profanity in them.they rap about love and girls and stuff that boys their age think about. So, befor you put down rap, you are the one who should listen to "real" rap.

Also, don't make assumptions about me becauese you don't know where I've heard rock before and don't hate just because I don't like the same thing as you and I have different veiws than you.

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[Zankara]

I HAVE TO DEFEND MY MUSIC BUT NO OFFENSE OF WHAT IM BOUT TO SAY

ROCK DON'T MAKE NO DANG-ON SINCE. WHAT DO ROCK TALK ABOUT. BUT AHHHHHHHHHHH
TALK ABOUT BORING MUSIC "NO OFFENSE".
RAP EVEN SELLS MORE THAN THAT JUNK "NO OFFENSE"

I DON'T KNOW WHY MICHEAL JACKSON IS CONSIDERED ROCK. MICHEAL IS SOUL.

RAP has more fans more awards MORE ENTERTAINING. WE WORK FOR MUCH MORE.

RAP IS A BIG PART OF MY COMMUNITY. IF YOU ARE BLACK LIKE ME YOU USUALLY LIKE RAP MUSIC.
IT STARTED WITH RAPPER DELIGHT THEY ARE BLACK. NOW WE GOT ALL TYPES OF RACES IN RAP. THAT'S WONDERFUL SO MORE PEOPLE CAN LIKE RAP.

RAPPER LIKE EMINEM, VANILLA ICE, FAT JOE, BIG PUN MADE RAP INTERNATIONAL SO EVERY CAN LIKE RAP.

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[Cokies]

Originally posted by Zankara:


ROCK DON'T MAKE NO DANG-ON SINCE. WHAT DO ROCK TALK ABOUT. BUT AHHHHHHHHHHH
TALK ABOUT BORING MUSIC
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RAP has more fans more awards MORE ENTERTAINING. WE WORK FOR MUCH MORE.
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RAPPER LIKE EMINEM, VANILLA ICE, FAT JOE, BIG PUN MADE RAP INTERNATIONAL SO EVERY CAN LIKE RAP.



Obviously, you are referring to "rock" music such as Limp Bizkit, and Kid Rock, and the like. Rap metal is what it's called. And it shouldn't even be in the same catergory as other classic rock acts. "Boring music", what a naive statemant that is.
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More fans? Another naive statement. Yes, it can be more entertaining...but that's YOUR SOLE opinion. "We work for much more.." That's such an ignorant statemant as well.
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Vanilla Ice? Ha!!! You even classify him as a rapper? I honestly can't take you seriously when you make list of "rappers" that include Vannila Ice. And the rappers you listed aren't the rappers that are making rap popular internationally. Ever heard of OutKast?

I'm deeply offended that you said rock doesn't make sense. Obviously you aren't listening to real rock n roll. Go pick up a copy of Rolling Stone magazine, there's examples in there.

And next time you try to defend rap, list some good hip-hop acts like Black Eyed Peas, OutKast, NWA, Run Dmc, Dre, etc, etc.

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" I love the dark, I love the dark. But I hate nature. I HATE nature ." - Chunk

[lesliem14]

I was raised on the good 'ole Rock 'n Roll of the Beatles, Stone's, Greatful Dead, to name just a few. I've also been known to swipe my father's John Mellencamp CD (took it at Easter when I went back to school-he didn't see it for a month and a half!). See, rap gives me a headache. I've tired to listen to 2PAC and others for the last 10 years or so, and it's always the same result- about 1 minute and I'm looking for the Tylonal, while I switch the radio station. I'm not doubting that their lyrics aren't important to them and their communities, but before you say Rock means absolutely nothing you should understand a few things. Rock played a huge part in the 60's movement/Vietnam. Listen to what John Fogerty is saying in "Fortunate Son". That doesn't mean anything? The words to John Lennon's "Imagine" are pointless? John Mellencamp uses his history growing up in the farms of Indiana to bring awareness to the plight of American farmers. Americna farmers have about as much to complain about as the minority population. I can open up my newspaper tomorrow and point out at least one article where farmers are getting screwed over. Willie Nelson and Mellencamp founded farm-aid. Mellencamp does the same thing that rappers do-sing about their communities and what is important to them. And while we're on another subject- Rap owes it's beginnings to Rock, like Rock owes it's beginnings to Blues and Country.

[Cokies]

Originally posted by lesliem14:
I was raised on the good 'ole Rock 'n Roll of the Beatles, Stone's, Greatful Dead, to name just a few. I've also been known to swipe my father's John Mellencamp CD (took it at Easter when I went back to school-he didn't see it for a month and a half!). See, rap gives me a headache. I've tired to listen to 2PAC and others for the last 10 years or so, and it's always the same result- about 1 minute and I'm looking for the Tylonal, while I switch the radio station. I'm not doubting that their lyrics aren't important to them and their communities, but before you say Rock means absolutely nothing you should understand a few things. Rock played a huge part in the 60's movement/Vietnam. Listen to what John Fogerty is saying in "Fortunate Son". That doesn't mean anything? The words to John Lennon's "Imagine" are pointless? John Mellencamp uses his history growing up in the farms of Indiana to bring awareness to the plight of American farmers. Americna farmers have about as much to complain about as the minority population. I can open up my newspaper tomorrow and point out at least one article where farmers are getting screwed over. Willie Nelson and Mellencamp founded farm-aid. Mellencamp does the same thing that rappers do-sing about their communities and what is important to them. And while we're on another subject- Rap owes it's beginnings to Rock, like Rock owes it's beginnings to Blues and Country.

Perfect explanation, lesliem.



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" I love the dark, I love the dark. But I hate nature. I HATE nature ." - Chunk

[ckrtpametulia]

Originally posted by ILuvJo&Blair:
That's not entirely true. If you were to listen to real rap you would find that they use very little profanity. If you ever listened to any great rap star like 2Pac you would see that their music is a message. I can bet you that you have no clue as to what 2Pac even raps about. He raps about how his people get stereotyped as filthy poverty level 'Black' people and in acuality when you call an african american 'black' that is a major put down. He also raps about racism and a lot of crap we have been put through by the higher class caucasion people. That's what he truely raps about not some bitches and hoes.

Now from what you say about all the cussing, it's true but you are listning to todays rap which has changes greatly over the past 5 years when 2Pac died. I don't listen to that crap! that's not even real rap. And to let you know one thing about the kid rappers, I don't know what kid rapper you listen to because the ones like Lil' Bow Wow and Lil' Romeo don't cus. Not once have I heard any of their lyrics that have profanity in them.they rap about love and girls and stuff that boys their age think about. So, befor you put down rap, you are the one who should listen to "real" rap.

Also, don't make assumptions about me becauese you don't know where I've heard rock before and don't hate just because I don't like the same thing as you and I have different veiws than you.

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hidden messages i know one of them of the hidden messages is that 2pac does dope hes a homo just like nelly

[ckrtpametulia]

rap wasnt even around when rock was rock is the legend rap is the legend of dopistry

[ILuvJo&Blair]

Originally posted by ckrtpametulia:
rap wasnt even around when rock was rock is the legend rap is the legend of dopistry


I'm sorry, but your comments make absolutly no sense to me. 2Pac was NOT homosexual. He was married with children for God's sake. He lead a thug life for a while but you have no proof that he did dope and any other kind of drug.I would like for you to tell me one song when his hidden message is about dope. What you are saying tells me that you know NOTHING about 2Pac or rap it's self.

you need to listen to 2Pac;'s music sometime and you'll find that he raps about how African-American's are often stereotyped by other people.
I resent that statement about rap being the ledend of dopistry.You really should assume things like that because obviously you don't know anything about rap. I don't think it's fair for you to say that and i'm pretty sure you nor the rest of the rock fans would like it very much if i were to say that Rock n'roll stars are all Hippies they stay completly stoned and they couldn't sing if their life depended upon it.

It is true that rap has not been around as long as rock, but that has nothing to do with the music. It's not my fault that rap is big within the minority communities and it's dieing down in most areas.

So, like I said befor you are the one how needs to listen to real rap music, mostly 2Pac's and you'll find out that you are 100% COMPLETLY WRONG on ALL of your non-sence assumptions.
And don't hate because I don't like the same things as you and I don't agree with some of your veiws.

[ckrtpametulia]

o.k you r just provin my point you said he was married with children how old was he at this time cause i dont think raping children is the way to go

[ckrtpametulia]

ok not tryin to be rude here but are you black and plus thats what all black rappers talk about today how cruel they are treated and their not treated that badly infact their treated better than white people but thats off the point i dont want to get into racial stuff but rap is rap and rap is crap

[coily2]

I'm not even going to respond to most of the comments here regarding rock being lame, as they are just ignorant and stupid.

Go put on Led Zepplin 4 and listen to it all the way through. Go on. I'll wait. Listen to the vocal stylings of Robert Plant. Feel the guitar riffs and licks that have been copied decade after decade. I challenge you not to groove with the awesome drumming of Bonham on Rock and Roll. I dare you not to sing along to Black Dog. Think long and hard about Stairway to Heavan and ask yourself, "What if there was a bustle in my hedgerow?" Until you learn that album, inside and out, you do not have the requisite amount of knowledge to discuss rock. Period.

Coming tomorrow: Musings of Classic Rock Lesson 2 - Black Sabbath - Paranoid. Those who find a decent Napster alternative and pre-listen to all the songs on this album will be the teacher's pet.

[ILuvJo&Blair]

Originally posted by ckrtpametulia:
o.k you r just provin my point you said he was married with children how old was he at this time cause i dont think raping children is the way to go

What do you mean he raped his children? He had a baby girl when he died. That doesn't come together. He was in his mid to late 20's when he died.

Yes, I am in facts partly African-American but not all.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with whites get treated worse tan Blacks. I HIGHLY doubt that, but that's off topic.

If you don't like rap it shouldn't concern anyone. Just because you don't like doesn't mean you have to make extremely stereotypical staments that are rude and a bunch of putdowns.
And if I don't like rock, it shouldn't concern anyone and I shouldn't have to defend my taste on things as little as music.And just because others don't like what I like, I don't just make extremely rude comments about whoever sings the music.

[Cokies]

Originally posted by coily2:


Coming tomorrow: Musings of Classic Rock Lesson 2 - Black Sabbath - Paranoid. Those who find a decent Napster alternative and pre-listen to all the songs on this album will be the teacher's pet.

Lol! I already have "Paranoid" downloaded from Napster from ages ago. I was lucky though, because it was right before Napster started copyrighting songs. Anyway, speaking of classic rock, if anyone wants to hear a song that is up there with "Stairway to Heaven" is "Free Bird" by Lynyrd Skynrd ( the LONG version by the way...) THAT is rock and roll.
Well, i'm off now...going to listen to some Cheap Trick ( hey, they aren't Led Zeppelin, but they made some fun rock n roll...) http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif




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" I love the dark, I love the dark. But I hate nature. I HATE nature ." - Chunk

[Jack's Beatle Poster]

R O C K !
Espesialy old rock.

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When you gotta gun
in your hand, your
free to make any speech
you want!!-Archie Bunker

STANLEY: The car was overheated,
Helen!
HELEN: So was I!!

MARGE: Kids can be so
cruel!
BART: We can? Thanks, Mom!
(Bart socks Lisa)
LISA: Oww!!

HELEN: Stanley, you got
2 choices. You either
put your pants on and take
me to that resturant...
Or leave them off and we
could stay here and
have fun!

KIMBERLY: Willis, you gotta
do something about that
bathroom.
WILLIS: Like what?
KIMBERLY: Like not leaving
the seat up.
WILLIS: That's Arnold.
ARNOLD: No way, I stand
on the seat!

[JoPol_wannabe]

In one phrase just play that old time Rock & Roll that kind of music just sooths my soul.

[coily2]

Originally posted by Cokies:
Lol! I already have "Paranoid" downloaded from Napster from ages ago. I was lucky though, because it was right before Napster started copyrighting songs.

Cokies, you are my new pet. Awesome album!

Anyway, speaking of classic rock, if anyone wants to hear a song that is up there with "Stairway to Heaven" is "Free Bird" by Lynyrd Skynrd ( the LONG version by the way...) THAT is rock and roll.

That song makes me sad. I love it, but I hate it at the same time, as it is really over played. When I was a DJ, we used to call those songs bathroom breaks, as they are both over 7 minutes long, and we got lots of requests for them. Check out Radar Love (the LONG version) by Golden Earring for another awesome classic rock song that is quite long.

Well, i'm off now...going to listen to some Cheap Trick ( hey, they aren't Led Zeppelin, but they made some fun rock n roll...) http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Surrender, surrender,but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ayyyyyy

I've met all the band members on a couple of locations. They are beyond cool.




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[Cokies]

Black Sabbath rules! I heard that they ar3e getting back together for the Ozzfest this summer. But personnally, I wouldn't go to the concert...I'd have to sit through Slipknot, Papa Rouch, Crazytown, and the rest of those lamers.
Besides, I'm happy that I'm going to the Warped Tour next Saturday. I can't wait!

You may be right about "Free Bird", they do tend to overplay it on certain classic rock stations. But unlike yourself, I think I could never tire of it. "Bathroom Breaks"...lol!

..."Mama's alright, Daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird...Surrender, Surrender. They just seem a little weird..."

Great song that is... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif
And that is really cool that you met the guys. They look so eccentric, but so cool.



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" I love the dark, I love the dark. But I hate nature. I HATE nature ." - Chunk

[coily2]

When I met them, they are just regular guys. One of my good friends from high school was Bun E. Carlos's niece, so I met them through family functions and stuff. When you get them out of their element, they are normal guys. But when I interviewed them on the radio once during my DJ days, they were as eccentric as all get out...

I saw Ozzy a few years ago. It was awesome, but I have no desire to see him again. Been there, done that. And all the nu-metal freaks are ruining metal and hard rock for all us older fuddy-duddies.

[ckrtpametulia]

im going to ozzfest and woodstock i have to go a long ways to get to woodstock though

[triple19]

Originally posted by lesliem14:
I was raised on the good 'ole Rock 'n Roll of the Beatles, Stone's, Greatful Dead, to name just a few. I've also been known to swipe my father's John Mellencamp CD (took it at Easter when I went back to school-he didn't see it for a month and a half!). See, rap gives me a headache. I've tired to listen to 2PAC and others for the last 10 years or so, and it's always the same result- about 1 minute and I'm looking for the Tylonal, while I switch the radio station. I'm not doubting that their lyrics aren't important to them and their communities, but before you say Rock means absolutely nothing you should understand a few things. Rock played a huge part in the 60's movement/Vietnam. Listen to what John Fogerty is saying in "Fortunate Son". That doesn't mean anything? The words to John Lennon's "Imagine" are pointless? John Mellencamp uses his history growing up in the farms of Indiana to bring awareness to the plight of American farmers. Americna farmers have about as much to complain about as the minority population. I can open up my newspaper tomorrow and point out at least one article where farmers are getting screwed over. Willie Nelson and Mellencamp founded farm-aid. Mellencamp does the same thing that rappers do-sing about their communities and what is important to them. And while we're on another subject- Rap owes it's beginnings to Rock, like Rock owes it's beginnings to Blues and Country.

I couldn't have said it better, LeslieM! I'll take rock over rap anyday.

[Cokies]

Originally posted by coily2:
When I met them, they are just regular guys. One of my good friends from high school was Bun E. Carlos's niece, so I met them through family functions and stuff. When you get them out of their element, they are normal guys. But when I interviewed them on the radio once during my DJ days, they were as eccentric as all get out...
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And all the nu-metal freaks are ruining metal and hard rock for all us older fuddy-duddies.

Wow, that's so cool that you've met Cheap Trick. It's kinda weird finding out that they're just regular guys, but that's what would probably make them even more cooler than they already are. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif
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So true, so true.



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" I love the dark, I love the dark. But I hate nature. I HATE nature ." - Chunk

[Dean Winchester]

give me rock over rap anyday. No matter how much radio, MTV and VH1 shoves it down my throat, I'll never be a fan

[ABlairican Pie]

RAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock: :guitar: :guitar: :rock:

[fr00ti]

If I see another incredibly old topic get bumped back up, I think I'm gonna scream.

[Beavis]

Rock of course, it started everything..Rap has it's one niche, not even related to rock... apples and oranges...

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[Kristina]

Rock.

[Dean Winchester]

I would tolerate rap music more if VH1 and M2 stopped playing it ALL THE TIME. Every Sunday, M2 shows nothing but rap all day. And then when they have specials about music, you always have to get some rapper to come on to talk about the "Relevance" it has to rap. Even when Johnny Cash died, we had to listen to people like Pharrell talk about how he was "the original gangsta". WHO CARES!!!!!!

I think rap will always be around in some form or another... but it's eventually going to get to the point that everyone is so sick of it that people are going to turn against it. No form of music can stranglehold the industry for too long before people got sick of it. People got sick of disco, People got sick of alternative, People got sick of teen pop. It's only a matter of time because hip hop backlashes. No, I'm not calling hip hop a fad, and I'm not saying it's going to die, but I do think a time will come where it finally starts to fade from being in our faces all the time. I mean, disco is still around over 20 years after the "Disco sucks" backlash, it's just called "dance music" now. Grunge never died, but it's not mainstream anymore. Can we hope the same thing happens to hip hop? I'm sick of it on VH1/MTV-2 every single time I turn tv on.

[RJ]

Originally posted by ILuvJo&Blair
That's not entirely true. If you were to listen to real rap you would find that they use very little profanity. If you ever listened to any great rap star like 2Pac you would see that their music is a message. I can bet you that you have no clue as to what 2Pac even raps about. He raps about how his people get stereotyped as filthy poverty level 'Black' people and in acuality when you call an african american 'black' that is a major put down. He also raps about racism and a lot of crap we have been put through by the higher class caucasion people. That's what he truely raps about not some bitches and hoes.

Now from what you say about all the cussing, it's true but you are listning to todays rap which has changes greatly over the past 5 years when 2Pac died. I don't listen to that crap! that's not even real rap. And to let you know one thing about the kid rappers, I don't know what kid rapper you listen to because the ones like Lil' Bow Wow and Lil' Romeo don't cus. Not once have I heard any of their lyrics that have profanity in them.they rap about love and girls and stuff that boys their age think about. So, befor you put down rap, you are the one who should listen to "real" rap.

Also, don't make assumptions about me becauese you don't know where I've heard rock before and don't hate just because I don't like the same thing as you and I have different veiws than you.

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no doubt! I agree with everything you said knowing 2Pac is my favorite in any kind of music, I hate how people tell me **** about letting 2Pac go because he is dead but he is going to live forever through his music and knowing I didnt even know he existed when he died, I felt him after he died, I was only about 7 when he departed (rest his soul) but to the person who said rap is "blah blah blah", yes some of it is but in 2Pac's case its a message if you try to listen to it instead of sterotyping it!:cool:

[RJ]

this is something I believe rock fans would love to read. A rocker influenced by 2Pac!:D

In a recent interview with the Dallas Observer Rocker Kenna Zemedkun mentioned Tupac, here is the extract from that interview:

"...That's really who I am. I stockpiled a lot of songs. I'll have plenty to do another record with. I'm like the 2Pac of rock right now. I have, like, a vault. If for some reason I decide to pull a Makaveli"--the alias under which 2Pac released a posthumous album--"or something, we're going to be selling records for the next 20 years." He laughs again. "That's great. I love that: 'the 2Pac of rock.' "

source: Hitemup.com

[RJ]

Originally posted by ILuvJo&Blair
What do you mean he raped his children? He had a baby girl when he died. That doesn't come together. He was in his mid to late 20's when he died.

Yes, I am in facts partly African-American but not all.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with whites get treated worse tan Blacks. I HIGHLY doubt that, but that's off topic.

If you don't like rap it shouldn't concern anyone. Just because you don't like doesn't mean you have to make extremely stereotypical staments that are rude and a bunch of putdowns.
And if I don't like rock, it shouldn't concern anyone and I shouldn't have to defend my taste on things as little as music.And just because others don't like what I like, I don't just make extremely rude comments about whoever sings the music.
Since we are on the subject hate rap all you want but alls I am saying is dont hate 2Pac, he is the one real person in rap that you could love, and to this quote I wanna say 2Pac did not have any children when he died and he died at the age of 25 and yes he did smoke weed, alot of it but he did not do any other substance!

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
I would tolerate rap music more if VH1 and M2 stopped playing it ALL THE TIME. Every Sunday, M2 shows nothing but rap all day. And then when they have specials about music, you always have to get some rapper to come on to talk about the "Relevance" it has to rap. Even when Johnny Cash died, we had to listen to people like Pharrell talk about how he was "the original gangsta". WHO CARES!!!!!!

I think rap will always be around in some form or another... but it's eventually going to get to the point that everyone is so sick of it that people are going to turn against it. No form of music can stranglehold the industry for too long before people got sick of it. People got sick of disco, People got sick of alternative, People got sick of teen pop. It's only a matter of time because hip hop backlashes. No, I'm not calling hip hop a fad, and I'm not saying it's going to die, but I do think a time will come where it finally starts to fade from being in our faces all the time. I mean, disco is still around over 20 years after the "Disco sucks" backlash, it's just called "dance music" now. Grunge never died, but it's not mainstream anymore. Can we hope the same thing happens to hip hop? I'm sick of it on VH1/MTV-2 every single time I turn tv on.

Uhhh, yeah, I thought the term OG definitely belonged to Ice-T, but Johnny Cash, the Man In Black being the ORIGINAL "OG", gee, what a hip way to sell him to the hip-hop generation!!!:rolleyes:

Let's see:

Elvis was the Axl Rose of the 50's;
The Beatles were the Metallica of their times;
The Stones were the Original Aerosmith;
Bob Dylan was the male Jewel of the 60's;
Jimi Hendrix was Lenny Kravitz with MORE hellacious guitar chops;
The Byrds were REM without the post-modern irony;
Cream was really Green Day with more bluesy fuzz-tones;
Janis Joplin was the 60's country-rock version of Courtney Love;
Jim Morrison was the psychedelic-era Marilyn Manson;
The Grateful Dead were a bunch of Dave Matthews/Phish rip-offs from thirty years prior; (amazing how they could do that, isn't it!!:crazy: :lol: )
Black Sabbath was a Soundgarden clone with crosses and creepy lyrics;
Led Zeppelin was a 70's arena rock imitator of Pearl Jam;
And KISS were Insane Clown Posse--with guitars.

So many ways we could play the comparisons!!

[RJ]

Never heard of Axl being like Elvis only hearing 2Pac was the Black Elvis and Black Jesus!

[ABlairican Pie]

I am making a list of convoluted comparisons. Btw, did anyone know that The Offspring are the mutant hybrids of the Violent Femmes gone a little electric with a sort of Mudhoney on acid with touch of the Brady Kids thrown in?

You too, huh?

:lol:

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by RJ
Never heard of Axl being like Elvis only hearing 2Pac was the Black Elvis and Black Jesus!


Elvis was the White 2Pac of the Eisenhower Generation!!!
:crazy: :lol:

[RJ]

make sure you put 2Pac in there as Jesus Christ or Elvis!

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by RJ
no doubt! I agree with everything you said knowing 2Pac is my favorite in any kind of music, I hate how people tell me **** about letting 2Pac go because he is dead but he is going to live forever through his music and knowing I didnt even know he existed when he died, I felt him after he died, I was only about 7 when he departed (rest his soul) but to the person who said rap is "blah blah blah", yes some of it is but in 2Pac's case its a message if you try to listen to it instead of sterotyping it!:cool:


even tho I am not a fan of his, I do admit that I always found 2Pac much more bearable and talented than most of the crap that is all over the radio today. Almost all of the mainstream rap (except maybe Outkast) is dime-a-dozen it seems. I admit Eminem does have some talent, but not the way awards show people and critics kiss up to him. IMO, he is NOT the Lennon, Wonder, Dylan, Bowie, Gaye, Prince, Cobain of this generation. Critics and award shows seem to always kiss up to Eminem so much. I think there is talent there, but I don't think he has the goods to become legendary

[RJ]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
even tho I am not a fan of his, I do admit that I always found 2Pac much more bearable and talented than most of the crap that is all over the radio today. Almost all of the mainstream rap (except maybe Outkast) is dime-a-dozen it seems. I admit Eminem does have some talent, but not the way awards show people and critics kiss up to him. IMO, he is NOT the Lennon, Wonder, Dylan, Bowie, Gaye, Prince, Cobain of this generation. Critics and award shows seem to always kiss up to Eminem so much. I think there is talent there, but I don't think he has the goods to become legendary
Your so right! I hate how they give him all love but when he 1st came out they hated him now they give him ever damn award, 2Pac yes it the best no doubt and will be forever!;)

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by RJ
make sure you put 2Pac in there as Jesus Christ or Elvis!

Jesus was the Elvis and Tupac of His (turn-of-the-millenium) generation!!:cool:

:lol:

[Mr. Stefani]

I like both, but I prefer rock.

[AllIWantIsYourClutch]

Rock....because honestly....99.9% of rap songs are about absoloutely nothing. Either "getting low" or "standing up".... they make no sense

[RJ]

Originally posted by TradingMooses
Rock....because honestly....99.9% of rap songs are about absoloutely nothing. Either "getting low" or "standing up".... they make no sense
ok for the last time dont say that! listen to 2Pac and others, yes alot of rappers talk about **** but 2Pac a well example as I have stated so dont go ****tin on him cuz I have read from non rap people that 2Pac was and is still meaningful to many people of our generation!

[AllIWantIsYourClutch]

Originally posted by RJ
ok for the last time dont say that! listen to 2Pac and others, yes alot of rappers talk about **** but 2Pac a well example as I have stated so dont go ****tin on him cuz I have read from non rap people that 2Pac was and is still meaningful to many people of our generation! Calm the hell down. This is just my own opinion. 2Pac wasn't meaningful to me. I could care less about him.

[RJ]

Originally posted by TradingMooses
Calm the hell down. This is just my own opinion. 2Pac wasn't meaningful to me. I could care less about him.
aight cool but ROCK aint **** either if you think about it!:D

[AllIWantIsYourClutch]

Originally posted by RJ
aight cool but ROCK aint **** either if you think about it!:D ...what?

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by RJ
ok for the last time dont say that! listen to 2Pac and others, yes alot of rappers talk about **** but 2Pac a well example as I have stated so dont go ****tin on him cuz I have read from non rap people that 2Pac was and is still meaningful to many people of our generation!

settle down, don't be so defensive. He shouldn't be forced to like rap any more than you should be forced to like rock.

[RJ]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
settle down, don't be so defensive. He shouldn't be forced to like rap any more than you should be forced to like rock.
well he shouldnt be saying sh*t he doesnt know, if you dont like it dont talk about it just say your ROCK music is great to you, but you dissing Rap as a whole which aint cool so you calm down first!

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by RJ
well he shouldnt be saying sh*t he doesnt know, if you dont like it dont talk about it just say your ROCK music is great to you, but you dissing Rap as a whole which aint cool so you calm down first!

maybe if I can turn on a music channel for more than 3 minutes at a time without seeing Eminem or Jay-Z, I'd be less harsh on rap. But as long as it's shoved down my throat to an even worse extent than N'Sync and Britney were a few years ago, people who don't like rap have the right to say they're sick of it. Your rap is everywhere right now, why get so defensive if some people have an "enough is enough" attitude about the airplay it gets?

[shavelyLBC34]

Rock.

[RJ]

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
maybe if I can turn on a music channel for more than 3 minutes at a time without seeing Eminem or Jay-Z, I'd be less harsh on rap. But as long as it's shoved down my throat to an even worse extent than N'Sync and Britney were a few years ago, people who don't like rap have the right to say they're sick of it. Your rap is everywhere right now, why get so defensive if some people have an "enough is enough" attitude about the airplay it gets?
thats your problem not mine!:D and as I said 2Pac is the only rapper I listen to, not that other bull**** so I am right with ya on that one!

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by RJ
thats your problem not mine!:D and as I said 2Pac is the only rapper I listen to, not that other bull**** so I am right with ya on that one!

well, I said already that 2pac and Outkast were about the only rappers I can stand, so if anything, we are on the same side.

It's all this Murder Inc/Roc-a-fella/etc.etc.etc crap that is all over radio and tv right now that I can't stand. 2pac was much better than that.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by RJ
ok for the last time dont say that! listen to 2Pac and others, yes alot of rappers talk about **** but 2Pac a well example as I have stated so dont go ****tin on him cuz I have read from non rap people that 2Pac was and is still meaningful to many people of our generation!

2PAC WAS THE YNGWIE MALMSTEEN OF RAP!!!!!! :rock: :rock: :rock: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar:

[RJ]

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
2PAC WAS THE YNGWIE MALMSTEEN OF RAP!!!!!! :rock: :rock: :rock: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar:
hehe tight!:D

[AllIWantIsYourClutch]

I AM A SHE.

[RJ]

Originally posted by TradingMooses
I AM A SHE.
alright sorry! thx for the heads up though!;)

[ABlairican Pie]

http://webpages.charter.net/cynthias/ingvay4.jpg

[RJ]

Tupac!:D
http://www.interscope.com/2pac/images/image_03.jpg

[DianeChambers87]

Originally posted by Cokies
~
Vanilla Ice? Ha!!! You even classify him as a rapper? I honestly can't take you seriously when you make list of "rappers" that include Vannila Ice.


GOD I HATE VANILLA ICE!!!! for his stupid "Ice Ice baby" song he took the beat from the awesome Queen Song "Under Pressure".

Rap is basically Gangs, violence, sex, and money....and I'm sorry if I don't see the "hidden message" I was a bit disatracted by the half naked girls walking around rolling in "bling bling" and humping some golden-tooth rapper with a band-aid on his face.

Rock is the best music in the entire world...not todays rock though I'm talking : "Led Zepplin", "Black Sabbath", "The Greatful Dead", "Queen", "The Beatles", "Supertramp", "Meatloaf", "The Who", "Rolling Stones", "The Doors" ...etc.

just look up the lyrics to Kashmire, or bohemian rhapsody, or A day in the life and then tell me that rock has no "meaning"

[~*Hannah_Lee*~]

Rock. Rock all the way. I'll listen to rap, but I LOVE rock music.

[~*Hannah_Lee*~]

Originally posted by DianeChambers87
I'm sorry if I don't see the "hidden message" I was a bit disatracted by the half naked girls walking around rolling in "bling bling" and humping some golden-tooth rapper with a band-aid on his face.


:lol:


:rock: :guitar: Rock rules!

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

Rap, even tho some rock is good...

[Fez619]

I listen to both. But , I listen to two rap artists; 2pac, and Eminem. 2pac was a phenomnal artist. He rapped about all the hardships he went through, and what his people go through. He rapped about respecting women, and for women to stand up for themselves, and for people to make something of themselves, and his opinons on the world. He is unlike anyother rapper, and the best one, rap has never been the same since he died. Biggie wasn't even in Pac's league, so I think it is a insult for Puffy to say Biggie is the best. I could go on....but I'm tired and don't feel like explaining everything.

[diezman]

I'm a classic rocker from way back but I still enjoy quite a bit of rap. Eminem being one of my faves in the rap genre

[Silver Bullet]

I loved rap from the early '80s to the early '90s. I can't stand the rappers now. I was into rap when I was a youth, but now I mostly listen to rock music.

[nmnf920]

ROCK.

**** RAP.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by safety pin
ROCK.

**** RAP.

:rock: :rock: :guitar:

to J. Lo, who is the one who is responsible for opening the pandora's box for the music hell we're in now...

:yousuck: :goaway:

[vashti1999]

It all depends on what you listen to. If those of you who dislike rap think that Nelly, Cash Money and Murder Inc represent all rap, you might be better served checking out Dead Prez, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, the Roots etc. if you're not only looking for artists that don't concern themselves with "bling bling" but also incorporate rock into the music they make.

The best rap album in 2002 (in my opinion) was Common's Electric Circus. When I heard it I thought it was so powerful I thought it would change how hip-hop was perceived. He even featured a song condemning his own previous homophobia, which is unheard of in rap, and unfortunately, unheard in the case of Common. His album came and went. The messages he got across on his cd were ignored while 50 Cent multi-platinum. I'm not knocking 50 either, I think it all deserves a place. But it might be best not to simply knock the genre as a whole when what you're hearing as a representation is only a fraction of what's really out there. Sometimes you have to dig through dirt to find gold.

Anyway, to answer the thread question, I listen to both rap and rock. I don't like "vs", I think the two can co-exist.

[EmoJoe]

rock! :guitar: :guitar: :rock: :rock:

[Steve M.]

Rock, dude! Rap sucks! :p

A rocker like Roger Chapman could eat rappers for breakfast!

http://www.real-music.co.uk/chapporollin2.jpg

:)