The Government & George Bush Needs To Help Homeless People Get Jobs

[isiahthomas]

I don't understand why the government and the president of the United States don't take taxpayers money and start some job training classes for homeless people. Homeless people need jobs. Rich people have this mentality about homeless people that they like being homeless and they don't need to get helped. That's bullsh*t. I believe that there are homeless people who wanna work and who wanna have their own place. I know if i was homeless, i would want a job. Gimme your opinions on this. There's a homeless shelter that's close to my job and everyday when i ride past that place, it's so sad to see people living like that.

[Ireneparalegal]

AMEN.

[Shine]

The problem is that Bush doesn't care about anyone but himself.:mad:

[James"Thunder"Early]

That's a good idea, but he won't do it. It would actually help the economy by increasing the number of qualified people that can be in the workforce.


The problem is that Bush doesn't care about anyone but himself.He's proven that time and again.

[isiahthomas]

James what do you mean it would help the economy by getting qualified people jobs? Homeless people aren't qualified for a job because they're homeless LOL. What Bush needs to do is get job training classes for homeless people. I think there should also be job training classes for homeless people that have mental problems and have a hard time figuring things out. Homeless people that have disabilities need jobs too. I'll tell ya'll who Bush cares about. He cares about only helping rich white people. Kanye West saying Bush doesn't care about black people should've made Bush get up off his racist ass and try to help poor uneducated blacks. Bush will probably tell blacks that he's not a racist because Condoleeza Rice is on his staff hahahahahahahaha. Wow he has one black person on his staff LOL.

[GARFIELDKOOL]

Bush is the wrong person to help homeless people. A democrat as president would be best for the homeless. Some people want to be homeless, and some peope don't chose to be homeless. Condoleeza Rice is Bush's token.

[Fleet]

It won't work.
Millions of dollars has been spent since the '60s on social programs to "end poverty" and it's still around.

The government doesn't create jobs, businessmen (and women) and entrepreneures do.

I should point out that Bush has spent MORE on social programs than Clinton did, proving you wrong, DAX.

[Janice]

James what do you mean it would help the economy by getting qualified people jobs? Homeless people aren't qualified for a job because they're homeless LOL. What Bush needs to do is get job training classes for homeless people. I think there should also be job training classes for homeless people that have mental problems and have a hard time figuring things out. Homeless people that have disabilities need jobs too. I'll tell ya'll who Bush cares about. He cares about only helping rich white people. Kanye West saying Bush doesn't care about black people should've made Bush get up off his racist ass and try to help poor uneducated blacks. Bush will probably tell blacks that he's not a racist because Condoleeza Rice is on his staff hahahahahahahaha. Wow he has one black person on his staff LOL.
Oh cry me a river. If people want help, it's there. Kanye West is insane. If you take your lead from him, you've got problems.

Bush is not a racist, but I guess it's easier to just play the race card from the bottom of the deck. :rolleyes:

[James"Thunder"Early]

James what do you mean it would help the economy by getting qualified people jobs? Homeless people aren't qualified for a job because they're homeless LOL. What Bush needs to do is get job training classes for homeless people. I think there should also be job training classes for homeless people that have mental problems and have a hard time figuring things out. Homeless people that have disabilities need jobs too. I'll tell ya'll who Bush cares about. He cares about only helping rich white people. Kanye West saying Bush doesn't care about black people should've made Bush get up off his racist ass and try to help poor uneducated blacks.I meant if you put funding there to train homeless people for jobs, then it helps the economy by adding more to the workforce.

Bush will probably tell blacks that he's not a racist because Condoleeza Rice is on his staff hahahahahahahaha. Wow he has one black person on his staff LOL.Believe me, all the right wingers do that.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Bush is the wrong person to help homeless people. A democrat as president would be best for the homeless. Some people want to be homeless, and some peope don't chose to be homeless.A Democrat as president would be better for most everything.

Condoleeza Rice is Bush's token.You got that right! :rofl:

[Fleet]

I meant if you put funding there to train homeless people for jobs, then it helps the economy by adding more to the workforce.

Believe me, all the right wingers do that.
When I look at the classified ads in my paper, there are dozens and dozens (even hundreds) of help wanted listings. The jobs are out there- the homeless have to go to the jobs, the jobs won't come to the homeless!

Pres. Bush has appointed more blacks during his two terms than Clinton did. Also, as far as I know, Bush has never referred to blacks using the "N" word (Clinton has- his aides when he was governor have heard him say it).

[Fleet]

You got that right! :rofl:
No, she is a highly qualified member of the Bush administration.

[James"Thunder"Early]

It won't work.
Millions of dollars has been spent since the '60s on social programs to "end poverty" and it's still around.

The government doesn't create jobs, businessmen (and women) and entrepreneures do.

I should point out that Bush has spent MORE on social programs than Clinton did, proving you wrong, DAX.No one said a word about social programs, we are talking about job training which would do alot of good. We all know who creates jobs, but alot of people need training to get those jobs.

[Fleet]

No one said a word about social programs, we are talking about job training which would do alot of good. We all know who creates jobs, but alot of people need training to get those jobs.
What's this "training homeless people to get jobs?" The kind of jobs they would get would already provide training.

[Janice]

No, she is a highly qualified member of the Bush administration.
No kidding. She's a doctor, for Heaven's sake. If Condi was a Dem, they would think she was great. Since she's a Republican, her race is used against her.

Here's the "token". :rolleyes:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html

Biography of Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor

On January 28, 2005, President Bush attended Dr. Rice's swearing-in ceremony as the 66th Secretary of State.

President Thanks Secretary of State Rice at Swearing-In Ceremony
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.

In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she was a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control from 1981-1986 (currently the Center for International Security And Cooperation), a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula.

In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C

[James"Thunder"Early]

When I look at the classified ads in my paper, there are dozens and dozens (even hundreds) of help wanted listings. The jobs are out there- the homeless have to go to the jobs, the jobs won't come to the homeless!Again, you don't comprehend anything people say. People don't always have qualifications for those jobs. Things are not as easy as you seem to believe they are.

Pres. Bush has appointed more blacks during his two terms than Clinton did. Also, as far as I know, Bush has never referred to blacks using the "N" word (Clinton has- his aides when he was governor have heard him say it).I really don't give a flip about who he appoints. And I'm not buying any undocumented lies about Clinton using the "N" word, not one credible source confirms it.

[James"Thunder"Early]

No, she is a highly qualified member of the Bush administration.Every person in the Bush administration is inept. You couldn't possibly understand why she's called a token.

[James"Thunder"Early]

What's this "training homeless people to get jobs?" The kind of jobs they would get would already provide training.Most jobs don't require on the job training, the ones that do are mostly taken.

[Janice]

What's this "training homeless people to get jobs?" The kind of jobs they would get would already provide training.
They're putting forth a false argument.

[Janice]

Every person in the Bush administration is inept. You couldn't possibly understand why she's called a token.
Why don't you explain?

[James"Thunder"Early]

No kidding. She's a doctor, for Heaven's sake. If Condi was a Dem, they would think she was great. Since she's a Republican, her race is used against her.

Here's the "token". :rolleyes:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html

Biography of Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor

On January 28, 2005, President Bush attended Dr. Rice's swearing-in ceremony as the 66th Secretary of State.

President Thanks Secretary of State Rice at Swearing-In Ceremony
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.

In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she was a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control from 1981-1986 (currently the Center for International Security And Cooperation), a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula.

In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.CI don't care if she's a doctor, I still think she's a shill for a bad president. Being a token has nothing to do with education.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Why don't you explain?It's cultural

[Janice]

I don't care if she's a doctor, I still think she's a shill for a bad president. Being a token has nothing to do with education.
Why the race card Doc? That's the liberal cry these days.

Condi Rice is qualified for her position. As a black man, you should be proud of her. She's well-educated, smart and good at what she does.

[Janice]

It's cultural
It's disgusting.

[Fleet]

Most jobs don't require on the job training, the ones that do are mostly taken.
Many of the ads I see in the paper say "Will train" or "Paid training."

[James"Thunder"Early]

Why the race card Doc? That's the liberal cry these days.

Condi Rice is qualified for her position. As a black man, you should be proud of her. She's well-educated, smart and good at what she does.I'm glad she's educated and everything, but her actions overshadow that. To be honest, mostly I see her as I see any other Bush admin member regardless of race.

[Fleet]

I don't care if she's a doctor, I still think she's a shill for a bad president. Being a token has nothing to do with education.
In other words, you don't care that she's highly qualified. :lol:

Going back to the last administration, it should be pointed out that Clinton appointed his friends ( many of whom were not qualified and had little or no experience) to the same positions that Bush has appointed people to (but Bush appointed qualified individuals).

[Janice]

A person can work their way up in McDonalds. I have a cousin who started bagging groceries, as a teen, at a supermarket chain, became a manager, etc.

Today, he's about 55 and is a Regional Manager for the same store making big bucks.

If someone wants to work today, the work is there. The unemployment rate was 4.7% last I heard.

And Fleet, yes, the majority of jobs offer training.

[Shine]

James what do you mean it would help the economy by getting qualified people jobs? Homeless people aren't qualified for a job because they're homeless LOL. What Bush needs to do is get job training classes for homeless people. I think there should also be job training classes for homeless people that have mental problems and have a hard time figuring things out. Homeless people that have disabilities need jobs too. I'll tell ya'll who Bush cares about. He cares about only helping rich white people. Kanye West saying Bush doesn't care about black people should've made Bush get up off his racist ass and try to help poor uneducated blacks. Bush will probably tell blacks that he's not a racist because Condoleeza Rice is on his staff hahahahahahahaha. Wow he has one black person on his staff LOL.


I don't think Bush is racist. I do agree that he only cares about rich people though.

[Shine]

Going back to the last administration, it should be pointed out that Clinton appointed his friends ( many of whom were not qualified and had little or no experience) to the same positions that Bush has appointed people to (but Bush appointed qualified individuals).

And what makes Bush's people so qualified?

[Fleet]

I don't think Bush is racist. I do agree that he only cares about rich people though.
Yet he has spent more on social programs than any other President in history.

[Fleet]

And what makes Bush's people so qualified?
Simple. Check their records and experience.

[isiahthomas]

Janice shut up. I have my opinion. If i think Bush is racist, that's my perogative to say that. Bottom line is he isn't trying to help homeless blacks get jobs and i agree with what Kanye West said about Bush. Ya'll can't be serious talkin about homeless people need to go find a job. Who is gonna hire a homeless person? Let's be real. Homeless people don't have a place of residence, they wear the same clothes everyday and smell bad. Do you truly believe somebody is gonna hire them? These counselors that work at the homeless shelters have the nerve to tell homeless people that they have to go find a job. They aren't dealing with reality. I agree with some of ya'll that homeless people can't expect a job to fall in their lap. Some homeless people are lazy, drug addicts, alcoholics and that's why their homeless. Then you have some homeless people who've lost their homes due to tornadoes or hurricanes and some of them have lost their jobs so i feel bad for those people.

[Janice]

Janice shut up. I have my opinion. If i think Bush is racist, that's my perogative to say that. Bottom line is he isn't trying to help homeless blacks get jobs and i agree with what Kanye West said about Bush. Ya'll can't be serious talkin about homeless people need to go find a job. Who is gonna hire a homeless person? Let's be real. Homeless people don't have a place of residence, they wear the same clothes everyday and smell bad. Do you truly believe somebody is gonna hire them? These counselors that work at the homeless shelters have the nerve to tell homeless people that they have to go find a job. They aren't dealing with reality. I agree with some of ya'll that homeless people can't expect a job to fall in their lap. Some homeless people are lazy, drug addicts, alcoholics and that's why their homeless. Then you have some homeless people who've lost their homes due to tornadoes or hurricanes and some of them have lost their jobs so i feel bad for those people.
Don't tell me to shut up. Also, there are social services to help people, but many people don't want to work or can't hold a job due to addictions or mental illness.

The help is there for people who want it.

And Kanye West is a lunatic. Read all about it.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=150963

[Bobby F.]

Janice shut up. I have my opinion. If i think Bush is racist, that's my perogative to say that. Bottom line is he isn't trying to help homeless blacks get jobs and i agree with what Kanye West said about Bush. Ya'll can't be serious talkin about homeless people need to go find a job. Who is gonna hire a homeless person? Let's be real. Homeless people don't have a place of residence, they wear the same clothes everyday and smell bad. Do you truly believe somebody is gonna hire them? These counselors that work at the homeless shelters have the nerve to tell homeless people that they have to go find a job. They aren't dealing with reality. I agree with some of ya'll that homeless people can't expect a job to fall in their lap. Some homeless people are lazy, drug addicts, alcoholics and that's why their homeless. Then you have some homeless people who've lost their homes due to tornadoes or hurricanes and some of them have lost their jobs so i feel bad for those people.

Let's see. There are around 10-12 million illegals in this country right about now. Get rid of them and lock up the border then all of your "homeless blacks" along with the other homeless races(I noticed you're only worried about your race so I guess that makes you no better than Bush) can find jobs.

[Czas na Zywiec]

Yes, there are jobs in the paper, but who's going to hire someone who has no address/phone number/nice clothes? Hell, as a college student who has all this, even for me it took months to finally find some work. I had to apply at so many places and have so many interviews and kept calling back to see what the situation was with me everytime. I got so discouraged from even looking because I was so sick of filling out application after application and getting no results. I've worked numerous jobs before, have great qualifications, am always very nice and charismatic during my interviews, etc., yet nothing. So I can only imagine how it is for homeless people.

It's a blood bath out there.

[Janice]

What President Bush has done for the homeless.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/achievement/chap13.html

Battling Homelessness

In 2003, the Bush Administration announced the largest amount of homeless assistance in history, $1.27 billion to fund 3,700 local housing and service programs around the country.
President Bush has proposed the Samaritan Initiative, a new $70 million program to provide supportive services and housing for chronically homeless individuals.
The Interagency Council on Homelessness has been revitalized, bringing together 20 Federal agencies to coordinate efforts to end chronic homelessness in 10 years.

[James"Thunder"Early]

And what makes Bush's people so qualified?They're not, you'd be shocked at how many cronies Bush has put on the public payroll. In his first cabinet he appointed Republicans who had just lost their Senate seats, which was suspect.

[Janice]

They're not, you'd be shocked at how many cronies Bush has put on the public payroll. In his first cabinet he appointed Republicans who had just lost their Senate seats, which was suspect.
The bios of Bush's Cabinet. Every one of them eminently qualified.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html

There's also nothing wrong with hiring people you know. Politicians do it all the time. As long as they're qualified, it doesn't matter.

[isiahthomas]

Czas Na Zywiec i can relate to what you're going through to find a job. It is hard out here to get a job. I don't know why it's so hard but it is. Bobby F i'm sorry i only mentioned homeless blacks. I know there are whites who are homeless who need jobs also. Bobby you're definitely right about america needs to stop letting illegal immigrants come to this country and take jobs away from americans. Illegal immigrants will work any damn where LOL. They'll even open up liquor stores, corner stores, gas stations, supermarkets in the poor black neighborhoods and they act like they aren't concerned about getting robbed or killed.

[Fleet]

The bios of Bush's Cabinet. Every one of them eminently qualified.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html

There's also nothing wrong with hiring people you know. Politicians do it all the time. As long as they're qualified, it doesn't matter.
Checkmate, Janice! :lol:

Better luck next time, Thunder. ;)

[Fleet]

Janice shut up. I have my opinion. If i think Bush is racist, that's my perogative to say that. Bottom line is he isn't trying to help homeless blacks get jobs and i agree with what Kanye West said about Bush. Ya'll can't be serious talkin about homeless people need to go find a job. Who is gonna hire a homeless person? Let's be real. Homeless people don't have a place of residence, they wear the same clothes everyday and smell bad. Do you truly believe somebody is gonna hire them?
Claiming that someone is racist without credible proof is unfair and absurd.

Incidentally, much of the people who are homeless were in mental institutions and released by liberal judges who said, "Oh, they're okay. They can function in society."

[James"Thunder"Early]

The bios of Bush's Cabinet. Every one of them eminently qualified.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html

There's also nothing wrong with hiring people you know. Politicians do it all the time. As long as they're qualified, it doesn't matter.Of course they are not in top level positions. What do you call people like Julie Myers, Ellen Sauerbrey and J. Dorrance Smith?

[Janice]

Of course they are not in top level positions. What do you call people like Julie Myers, Ellen Sauerbrey and J. Dorrance Smith?
You brought them up, so isn't it up to you to make your argument and point out why they don't belong where they are?

[James"Thunder"Early]

You brought them up, so isn't it up to you to make your argument and point out why they don't belong where they are?

Julie Myers: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003576.htm
Ellen Sauerbrey: http://www.islandpacket.com/24hour/politics/story/2837724p-11495213c.html
J. Dorrance Smith: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178594,00.html

[Brian Damage]

Hate to say it isiah, but a lot of illegals work harder than some "homeless blacks." The government can do oh so much. It is also up to individuals to go out there and hustle a little bit. Nobody said getting a great job is easy. It takes long hours and countless days to achieve that.

I still don't see why Bush is a racist. I need further details on that one. Also, I think alot of blacks resent Condoleeza because she is a sucessful black woman who happens to be a Republican.

[Janice]

Julie Myers: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003576.htm
Ellen Sauerbrey: http://www.islandpacket.com/24hour/politics/story/2837724p-11495213c.html
J. Dorrance Smith: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178594,00.html
I agree with the criticism of Julie Myers, but the other two look qualified. Democratic Senators block anything they can when it comes to Bush.

I'll even give you another one. Harriet Myers. I think Bush lost his mind over that one. Luckily, she dropped out, paving the way for Samuel Alito.

[Tweety]

...Bottom line is he (Bush) isn't trying to help homeless blacks get jobs and i agree with what Kanye West said about Bush. Ya'll can't be serious talkin about homeless people need to go find a job. Who is gonna hire a homeless person? Let's be real. Homeless people don't have a place of residence, they wear the same clothes everyday and smell bad. Do you truly believe somebody is gonna hire them? ...


Yeah, I guess Bush only wants to help homeless white people get jobs...

So tell us, Isiash... if "Homeless people don't have a place of residence, they wear the same clothes everyday and smell bad", then what the hell good is it going to do to put 'em in one of your idiotic government job-training programs?

You people on the left seem to be totally clueless in terms of understanding how jobs are actually created in this economy. You should quit listening to Air America...everyone else has...

And just because the three networks refused to air stories about the homeless when Clinton was in office, doesn't mean they didn't exist during his administration too... there have always been homeless people... but what percentage of them are homeless because they chose drugs instead of their rent or mortgage payments? A pretty good chunk...

Yeah, I know all about the hurricanes, but that's a totally different matter. That has nothing to do with any economic choices people made to become homeless.

And you know what else? Blacks vote 90-95% Democrat anyway, without giving it a thought... and they've been complaining about the same things for the last 40 years... doesn't matter who's president, Jesse Jackson and his poverty pimps keep telling "his people" that they have no chance to make it in this country because some Republican's in the White House... well, guess what...MY success is not determined by who wins elections, it's based on what I do MYSELF...

Jesse needs to go into these neighborhoods and tell the young men there to get the hell home and be fathers to their kids. With a 70% illigitimacy birth rate among blacks, it's no wonder so many of them are stuck where they are.

One other thing, I'm sick of blacks not wanting other blacks to succeed. Any time a black person is successful, other blacks accuse the person of being an Uncle Tom, or they accuse him/her of 'trying to be white', which is code for "hey, we're not willing to bust OUR asses to make something of ourselves, so we're going to try to shame you into staying down at our level so that you don't succeed either". This is also referred to as "keeping it real". Just ask Charles Barkley about the kids he grew up with in his neighborhood, many of whom are still there, and they aren't one bit smarter than they were 20 years ago.

It was a Republican President who appointed the first black man to be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff... but guess what, according to most blacks, General Powell really ISN'T black. So that doesn't count...

When another Republican President appointed the same black man to be Sec of State, well, that doesn't count because Powell's not really black.

When a President appoints Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court, well, that doesn't count because Thomas really isn't black. (Clinton appointed only white nominees to the Supreme Court, never a black).

And of course, Condi Rice isn't black eitherl, according the liberal definition (I guess that means if you know who both of your parents are, and you can actually put a proper sentence together, you don't really qualify as being black).

I guess Cynthia McKinney was stopped at the Capitol Building because Bush doesn't want blacks in Congress...

Or are you going to tell me that blacks did great under Bill Clinton, it's only since Bush took office that America is once again a racist country, in which blacks can't make it?

Jesse Jackson has blacks convinced that they are owed money from the government (i.e. taxpayers) because of slavery... how's any black person going to prove that their great-great-great-great grandfather was a slave, when more than half of them don't even know who their FATHER is, let alone a great-great-great-great grandfather?

[James"Thunder"Early]

And you know what else? Blacks vote 90-95% Democrat anyway, without giving it a thoughtThe majority of blacks voting Democratic seems to make Republicans really angry, because they are never satisfied unless they dominate everyone.

It was a Republican President who appointed the first black man to be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff... but guess what, according to most blacks, General Powell really ISN'T black. So that doesn't count...

When another Republican President appointed the same black man to be Sec of State, well, that doesn't count because Powell's not really black.

When a President appoints Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court, well, that doesn't count because Thomas really isn't black. (Clinton appointed only white nominees to the Supreme Court, never a black).

And of course, Condi Rice isn't black eitherl, according the liberal definition (I guess that means if you know who both of your parents are, and you can actually put a proper sentence together, you don't really qualify as being black).Liberal definition? Newsflash! Liberals didn't create that attitude towards black Republicans, it was caused by Republicans who embraced segregation and turned their back on civil rights.

[Fleet]

Liberal definition? Newsflash! Liberals didn't create that attitude towards black Republicans, it was caused by Republicans who embraced segregation and turned their back on civil rights.
What are you talking about? The Civil Rights act passed in the mid-'60s would not have passed if not for Republicans. And, btw, Al Gore's father voted against it.

[Tweety]

What are you talking about? The Civil Rights act passed in the mid-'60s would not have passed if not for Republicans. And, btw, Al Gore's father voted against it.

As did EVERY Southern DEMOCRAT...

And as for Johnson, when he was Senate Majority leader in 1958, he personally killed the Civil Rights bill in the Senate...why? Because he knew he was going to run for President in 1960, and he wanted "Civil Rights" as part of his platform... Typical Democrat, won't do the right thing unless he himself gets credit for it...

And I used to crack up listening to Al Gore talk about what a champion for Civil Rights his father was....what a joke... Gore Sr was one of the most vicious racists ever to serve in the Senate...

[Tweety]

The majority of blacks voting Democratic seems to make Republicans really angry, because they are never satisfied unless they dominate everyone.

Liberal definition? Newsflash! Liberals didn't create that attitude towards black Republicans, it was caused by Republicans who embraced segregation and turned their back on civil rights.


I don't get angry... after all, you guys keep losing, so what do I have to be angry about?

I just happen to think that most blacks are clueless when it comes to Civil Rights... and the Dems and the media try to paint Dems as the 'party of civil rights' just because LBJ happened to be in office when the act passed. But as Fleet correctly pointed out , the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 passed IN SPITE OF the Democrats, not BECAUSE of them.


Why don't you do a little research on a fellow by the name of J. William Fulbright, whom Bill Clinton referred to as his "Mentor", before you start yapping about how much Republicans embraced segregation...

I'll start you off:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright

A couple of excerpts from the article:

"James William Fulbright (April 9, 1905–February 9, 1995) was a well-known member of the United States Senate representing Arkansas. Fulbright was a Southern Democrat and a staunch multilateralist, supported racial segregation, supported the creation of the United Nations and opposed the House Un-American Activities Committee. "

Note the words "SUPPORTED RACIAL SEGREGATION"...and "SOUTHERN DEMOCRAT"




AND


"During the 50th Anniversary Dinner of the Fulbright Program June 5 1996 at the White House, President Clinton said, "Hillary and I have looked forward for sometime to celebrating this 50th anniversary of the Fulbright Program, to honor the dream and legacy of a great American, a citizen of the world, a native of my home state and my mentor and friend, Senator Fulbright.""

Note the words "GREAT AMERICAN" and "MENTOR".


You libs need to get a clue about the history of Civil Rights in the U.S.... do I have to go back to the beginning of the Republican Party and Abraham Lincoln to explain it? Well, you see kiddies, Democrats loved slavery, so the Republican party was formed as an anti-slavery party....Lincoln was the first Republican President....

That'll get you started...

[James"Thunder"Early]

What are you talking about? The Civil Rights act passed in the mid-'60s would not have passed if not for Republicans. And, btw, Al Gore's father voted against it.Don't even try it, there is only one reason the south votes Republican today and that's civil rights. People like Strom Thurmond switched to Republican because Goldwater adopted their beliefs. And most Republicans that voted for it were people who are probably Democrats now. You really should learn more about history before saying anything about this.

[James"Thunder"Early]

I don't get angry... after all, you guys keep losing, so what do I have to be angry about?

I just happen to think that most blacks are clueless when it comes to Civil Rights... and the Dems and the media try to paint Dems as the 'party of civil rights' just because LBJ happened to be in office when the act passed. But as Fleet correctly pointed out , the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 passed IN SPITE OF the Democrats, not BECAUSE of them.The majority of Republicans don't like to lose any voting bloc. Recent history points to the Democrats being the party of Civil Rights, check the records.


Why don't you do a little research on a fellow by the name of J. William Fulbright, whom Bill Clinton referred to as his "Mentor", before you start yapping about how much Republicans embraced segregation...

I'll start you off:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright

A couple of excerpts from the article:

"James William Fulbright (April 9, 1905–February 9, 1995) was a well-known member of the United States Senate representing Arkansas. Fulbright was a Southern Democrat and a staunch multilateralist, supported racial segregation, supported the creation of the United Nations and opposed the House Un-American Activities Committee. "

Note the words "SUPPORTED RACIAL SEGREGATION"...and "SOUTHERN DEMOCRAT"




AND


"During the 50th Anniversary Dinner of the Fulbright Program June 5 1996 at the White House, President Clinton said, "Hillary and I have looked forward for sometime to celebrating this 50th anniversary of the Fulbright Program, to honor the dream and legacy of a great American, a citizen of the world, a native of my home state and my mentor and friend, Senator Fulbright.""

Note the words "GREAT AMERICAN" and "MENTOR". Yada, Yada, here comes the obsession with Bill Clinton. Clinton's record speaks for itself and it's good on civil rights.



You libs need to get a clue about the history of Civil Rights in the U.S.... do I have to go back to the beginning of the Republican Party and Abraham Lincoln to explain it? Well, you see kiddies, Democrats loved slavery, so the Republican party was formed as an anti-slavery party....Lincoln was the first Republican President....

That'll get you started...Get some more history lessons. Back then the Republican and Democratic Parties were different and in reverse. Back then I would have been a Republican and you would have been a Democrat, because the parties played the opposite role the do today. Yesterday's Republican is today's Democrat and vice versa.

[Fleet]

Don't even try it, there is only one reason the south votes Republican today and that's civil rights. People like Strom Thurmond switched to Republican because Goldwater adopted their beliefs. And most Republicans that voted for it were people who are probably Democrats now. You really should learn more about history before saying anything about this.
I will try it and I do know about history.
Republicans supported the '64 Civil Rights Act and the '65 Voting Rights Act overwhelmingly, and by much higher percentages in both the house and senate than the Democrats. Indeed, the '64 Civil Rights Act became law only after overcoming a Democrat filibuster.

For the '64 Civil Rights Act, in the House, the vote was:
80% of Republicans voted "Yes."
61% of Democrats voted "Yes."

The Senate vote was:
82% of Republicans voted "Yes."
69% of Democrats voted "Yes."

I can go into this further if you like. Just vote "Yes" or "No." :D

[Tweety]

... Back then I would have been a Republican and you would have been a Democrat, because the parties played the opposite role the do today.,,.


You're saying I would have been in favor of slavery???

[James"Thunder"Early]

I will try it and I do know about history.
Republicans supported the '64 Civil Rights Act and the '65 Voting Rights Act overwhelmingly, and by much higher percentages in both the house and senate than the Democrats. Indeed, the '64 Civil Rights Act became law only after overcoming a Democrat filibuster.

For the '64 Civil Rights Act, in the House, the vote was:
80% of Republicans voted "Yes."
61% of Democrats voted "Yes."

The Senate vote was:
82% of Republicans voted "Yes."
69% of Democrats voted "Yes."

I can go into this further if you like. Just vote "Yes" or "No." :DThat still doesn't change the fact alot of segregationists switched to Republican and made the Republican Party change civil rights shortly after.

[Fleet]

That still doesn't change the fact alot of segregationists switched to Republican and made the Republican Party change civil rights shortly after.
It also doesn't change the fact if it were not for Republicans, the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act would not have passed.

And who were the "a lot" of segregationists who switched to the Republican party and what does that have to do with what I posted above?

[James"Thunder"Early]

It also doesn't change the fact if it were not for Republicans, the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act would not have passed.

I'm not sure you get that back the Republicans back then were just like the Democrats now, so you can't really use that as premise for Republicans being good on civil rights.


And who were the "a lot" of segregationists who switched to the Republican party and what does that have to do with what I posted above?Strom Thurmond and a number of others, do some research. It has everything to do with it, because you are claiming the Republican Party is some champion of civil rights.

[Fleet]

I'm not sure you get that back the Republicans back then were just like the Democrats now, so you can't really use that as premise for Republicans being good on civil rights.

Strom Thurmond and a number of others, do some research. It has everything to do with it, because you are claiming the Republican Party is some champion of civil rights.
It's the Democrat party which has changed more, not the Republican party. The modern Democratic party is dominated by liberals and it didn't used to be.

"A number of others." If there were that many it shouldn't be hard to list them as I asked. ;)
And I don't claim that the Republican party is a champion of civil rights, I'm saying that they are no more racist than the Democratic party.

[Tweety]

It's the Democrat party which has changed more, not the Republican party. The modern Democratic party is dominated by liberals and it didn't used to be....And I don't claim that the Republican party is a champion of civil rights, I'm saying that they are no more racist than the Democratic party.



Exactly right... and I'm not saying that the Republican party are the 'champions' of Civil Rights either... All I'm saying is that the Democrats are definitely NOT the champions of civil rights they (or the media) claim that they are...

As I said, Al Gore Sr (Algore's father) was a vicious racist... the Gore family would go to white's only restaurants all the time when little Al was growing up...even after integration. And since he's such an admirer of his daddy, it's likely he took on a lot of ol' daddy's characteristics...

And hopefully, no one will give us that "well he had a black woman run his 2000 Presidential campaign" stuff... after all, Donna Brazille "isn't really black" LOL


Civil Rights came about in this country because of the acts of a few key individuals, not because of any one party.

Bill James notes in the historical baseball abstract (1985 edition, I'm not sure if the story is included in the 2000 edition or not) that Jackie Robinson visited both Nixon and Kennedy prior to the 1960 election, and ended up endorsing Nixon. Robinson also worked for Barry Goldwater's campaign in 1964. I thought this was very interesting. But Robinson felt that the Democratic party was politicizing the race issue too much, and rather than just trying to eliminate racism, the Dems were too concerned over who would get credit for it. Turns out some things never change...

And on another sports note, I also think it's quite interesting that FDR NEVER HAD JESSE OWENS TO THE WHITE HOUSE AFTER OWENS' DOMINATING PERFORMANCE IN THE 1936 OLYMPICS!!!! And Mr. Truman never corrected that oversight during his term either... it wasn't until the mid-50s that Dwight Eisenhower found out that Owens was never invited to the White House, so he did so himself. I've asked myself why FDR would totally ignore Owens like that, and can only come up with the fact that FDR had to have been quite the racist himself....even though he was a Democrat!!

Not to mention what FDR did to countless Japanese-Americans, many of whom had sons/brothers/fathers who were fighting for our side in WWII... but of course, we're not allowed to talk about that, are we?

[gilligan fanatic]

something I don't understand is how me and many of my High School friends can get jobs very easily and these people can't. None of us have graduated High School and jobs are very easy to find.

Nobody made these people bums but themselves. If there was classes like someone mentioned most of them probably wouldn't even go.

I live in a good neighborhood and a good area so we don't have many homeless people at all, but I might see one every once in a while on a major road near our mall. I hate that they are begging for money in front of the cars that go by but they are standing in front of a Now Hiring sign.

I live somewhat close to DC and I will go there every once in a while and there are a ton of people that are homeless. I have noticed to kinds of homeless people. There are the ones that are trying and not actually begging. They play drums made of buckets and don't say anything. Those ones I think can be helped. Then there are the ones that cuss at me and say bad things or call me a cracker when I go by. Those people aren't even trying. If I am going to give money to a homeless person (which I usually do but you can't give out all your money to everyone) I will give it to the person with the drums.

Another thing that puzzles me is how for hundreds of years immigrants have been coming to America with almost nothing in there pocket and are able to find work, get a house, raise a family, send them to school and all that other stuff and they started with almost nothing. Homeless people are already here and they can do the same. And if you say they can't because they are homeless, at one point or another they weren't. They had a chance and ruined it.

[KissMyGrits]

My friend's husband owns a construction company. After hurricane Wilma he needed extra help. So he asked some of the homeless people if they would like to work for some money. The response he got was "We can make more money doing this than we can working." Needless to say he was floored. I believe that the majority of the homeless people are like that because the want to be, not because they have to be. It makes me laugh when people say that it is the governments responsibility to get these people jobs. The homeless problem has been around for decades. Even back when Clinton was in office. I didn't see everyone saying that Clinton and the government need to help them get jobs. Oh, wait, that is only because he is a Republican. I forgot the Republicans get blamed for everything. Then when something good happens it's because the Democrats did it. How stupid of me!!

[James"Thunder"Early]

It's the Democrat party which has changed more, not the Republican party. The modern Democratic party is dominated by liberals and it didn't used to be.The majority of centrists left Republican Party and now it's dominated by extreme conservatives. The Democratic Party is more ideologically balanced.

"A number of others." If there were that many it shouldn't be hard to list them as I asked. ;)
And I don't claim that the Republican party is a champion of civil rights, I'm saying that they are no more racist than the Democratic party.Have you not heard of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms? If you want to know more, look it up yourself. All I'm saying is the Republicans were willing to embrace segregation just to get votes, while the Democrats lost votes because they started supporting civil rights.

[bossradio93]

He's proven that time and again.

Since Jan. 20, 2001 and when he was governor of Texas before that when he defeated the very popular Ann Richards. :lol:


And the 'righties' always say Clinton doesn't care about people! :lol: Know what? He did plenty!!!

Fact: Clinton created 20 million jobs in eight years. How many jobs President 'Chucklenuts' created in the first five years of his 'criminal' organization? If anyone says Bush created more jobs than Clinton, someone's waaaaay of base. We know how many jobs were 'lost' under 'Chucklenuts' first five disastrous years, no less than five million, probably more than that. :eek:


Have you not heard of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms? If you want to know more, look it up yourself. All I'm saying is the Republicans were willing to embrace segregation just to get votes, while the Democrats lost votes because they started supporting civil rights.


Some of the hard-core right-winger's here can do this by simply learning one simple word and it's the world's easiest lesson: Google. :)


What are you talking about? The Civil Rights act passed in the mid-'60s would not have passed if not for Republicans. And, btw, Al Gore's father voted against it.


James is right. It's that small (but extreme) frindge of democrats broke off that section of the party that opposed civil rights but supported segregation in 1964 to join the Republican party that no longer is the party of Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower, Barry Goldwater and William E. Miller.*

*William E. Miller's daughter is comedienne, liberal radio personality Stephanie Miller, who has a successful syndicated radio show "The Stephanie Miller Show".



Yet he has spent more on social programs than any other President in history.


*Snickers a bit too hard* And you expect us to believe it, right? :confused: Clinton spent more on social programs than any of the 42 previous presidents combined!!!


It's the Democrat party which has changed more, not the Republican party. The modern Democratic party is dominated by liberals and it didn't used to be.

No, it's the other way around. The Republican party's changed so much in the past 40-50 years beginning with Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950's and the dominant rise of the neo-con, neo-Nazi, neo-facist segregationists sectors and the extreme Christian evangelical wing in the past 25 years and was never like what's been transpired before.

Face it. The Republican party ain't what it used to be. :)


The majority of centrists left Republican Party and now it's dominated by extreme conservatives.

Very true. I've explained my points in a paragraph above to Fleet.

[Fleet]

*Snickers a bit too hard* And you expect us to believe it, right? :confused: Clinton spent more on social programs than any of the 42 previous presidents combined!!!

Let's start with this one...
A USA Today analysis of 25 major government programs found that enrollment increased an average of 17% in the programs from 2000 to 2005.
The nation's population grew by 5% during that time.

It was the largest 5-year expansion of the federal safety net since the great society created programs such as medicare and medicaid in the 1960s. Spending on these social programs was $1.3 trillion in 2005, up an inflation-adjusted 22% since 2000, and accounting for more than one-half of federal spending.

Congressional budget officials say that over the past two years, spending for education, job training, unemployment assistance, medicare, social security, veteran's benefits, food stamps, and other human resources has risen from 11.5% of the GDP to 12.7%.

You can stop snickering now. ;)

[Fleet]

Fact: Clinton created 20 million jobs in eight years. How many jobs President 'Chucklenuts' created in the first five years of his 'criminal' organization? If anyone says Bush created more jobs than Clinton, someone's waaaaay of base. We know how many jobs were 'lost' under 'Chucklenuts' first five disastrous years, no less than five million, probably more than that. :eek:

Clinton did not inherit a recession or endure a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil (9/11, which cost approximately 1.3 millions jobs).
In fact, considering those two things happened, it's almost a miracle that the recession officially ended in Nov., 2001, just two months after the 9/11 attacks (thanks, in part, to Bush's tax cuts).

Clinton (the real "Chucklenuts"... ask Monica about that...) was lucky enough to be in office during the Internet boom.

I find it hilarious when people call Bush/the Bush administration "criminal" when:
- Clinton was only the second U.S. President to be impeached.
- Clinton lied under oath to a grand jury (perjury), committed witness tampering and obstructed justice.
- Clinton was found guilty by judge Susan Weber (a Democrat and former student of Clinton) of contempt of court for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit.
- $14,600... the Clintons owed this amount in back taxes from 1980 (paid for in 1994).
- Clinton was disbarred.
- Abused his position as governor to extort sexual favors from employees.
- Used State Police for personal purposes.
- Blocked the criminal trial of Representative Ford, a Tennessee Democrat.
- Violated Arkansas campaign finance laws.
- Violated the Constitution by signing into law an ex post facto law, a retroactive tax increase.
- Accepted a bribe from the Government of China, hidden from federal election inspectors by laundering it through Ng Lap Seng, the Bank of China, Charlie Trie and his relatives, and his legal defense fund.
- Made fund-raising calls from the White House, a federal property.
- Blocked Justice Department prosecution of Arthur Coia, a union Mob puppet and heavy Clinton donor.
- Accepted a $50,000 bribe from the candidate for President of South Korea, in return for a written endorsement of the candidate.
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- 94... the number of Clinton associates who have 1) fled the country or 2) directly refused to anwer questions when testifying about Clinton scandals...
http://www.house.gov/reform/oversight/finance/fled.htm Source- ABC Nightline
- 17... the number of the above who fled the country.
- 47... the number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes; 33... the number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency.
- 14... the number of imprisonments.
- 122.. the number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed..

[Tweety]

...The Republican party's changed so much in the past 40-50 years beginning with Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950's and the dominant rise of the neo-con, neo-Nazi, neo-facist segregationists sectors and the extreme Christian evangelical wing in the past 25 years and was never like what's been transpired before...


Ah, the Christian bashing starts... knew it wouldn't take too long...


By the way, speaking of segragationists, you're timing couldn't have been better...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1614022/posts

Bill Clinton has just been awared the J. William Fulbright Prize for International Understanding. (bet you didn't even know there WAS such a thing, huh?)

You know who Fullbright was right, from my previous link to wikipedia?

I'm sure Clinton proudly accepted this award, named after his mentor and noted segregationist, and (in Clinton's words) 'Great American", J. William Fullbright...

Well, heck, I'll refresh your memory: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright

J. William Fullbright: "...well-known member of the United States Senate representing Arkansas. Fulbright was a Southern Democrat and a staunch multilateralist, supported racial segregation..."

Note the words, "DEMOCRAT" and "SUPPORTED RACIAL SEGREGATION"... this is Clinton's own (admitted) MENTOR!

[Janice]

Say what you will. The Dems have Sen. Robert Byrd, a former KKK recruiter.

And Sen. Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy, who left a woman to drown.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Ah, the Christian bashing starts... knew it wouldn't take too long...



Christian bashing? How is pointing out the obvious element of religious extremism in the GOP Christian bashing?

[James"Thunder"Early]

Say what you will. The Dems have Sen. Robert Byrd, a former KKK recruiter.His civil rights record is still better than most in office now. He's apologized and said he was wrong, so it's time to let that go.

And Sen. Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy, who left a woman to drown.He did something wrong and no one denies it.

[Janice]

His civil rights record is still better than most in office now. He's apologized and said he was wrong, so it's time to let that go.
I can help wonder if some of the people he recruited for the KKK killed anyone. I wouldn't doubt it.
He did something wrong and no one denies it.
Something wrong. The understand of the last century. Just seems so messed up to me that this man is a Senator.

[Tweety]

His (Robert "Sheets" Byrd's) civil rights record is still better than most in office now. He's apologized and said he was wrong, so it's time to let that go.

So being a Grand Kleagle of the KKK represents a beter civil rights record than most in office now, eh? Wow... I wish I could help you, but I think you've passed the point of no return with that observation.

So what have today's Republican office holders done to comare with being a Grand Kleagle (i.e. recruiter) of the KKK?

Also, apologizing won't bring back the people Byrd lynched. And we all know he did it... there's no way he'd ask a recruit to do something that he wasn't prepared to do himself, right?





...He (Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy) did something wrong and no one denies it.


No one except him, that is...he doesn't remember ANYTHING about it...
and the National Orgainization for Women don't seem to mind what he did, either... so I guess you could say THEY deny he did anything wrong.

And other libs might not deny he did something wrong, but neither will they ADMIT he did something wrong, which is the same as denying it..

Just goes to show you that if you get shot by Dick Cheney in a hunting accident, at least HE'LL call a hospital and do everything he can to get you there in time...but you get driven into a river by Ted Kennedy, looks like you're on your own.

[James"Thunder"Early]

So being a Grand Kleagle of the KKK represents a beter civil rights record than most in office now, eh? Wow... I wish I could help you, but I think you've passed the point of no return with that observation.

So what have today's Republican office holders done to comare with being a Grand Kleagle (i.e. recruiter) of the KKK?

Also, apologizing won't bring back the people Byrd lynched. And we all know he did it... there's no way he'd ask a recruit to do something that he wasn't prepared to do himself, right?He scored a perfect 100 on civil rights in 2003-2004, his voting record speaks for itself. I don't need help, I'm just going by honest facts.

You accuse Byrd of lynching people, you need to have some credible evidence, but that's a pretty hard allegation.

[Tweety]

He scored a perfect 100 on civil rights in 2003-2004, his voting record speaks for itself. I don't need help, I'm just going by honest facts.

You accuse Byrd of lynching people, you need to have some credible evidence, but that's a pretty hard allegation.


His voting record speaks for itself, huh? He voted against the Civil Rights Act of 64 and the Voting Rights Act of 65... back when he could have made an actual differnece in Civil Rights...

Who cares about Civil Rights votes in 2003-4.... what votes were these? Who was trying to obtain civil rights in 2004 that didn't have them (besides maybe some illegal immigrants)?

Lynching was one of the KKK's favorite pastimes... and Byrd was really, really into the KKK. He wasn't just along for the ride. He was one of the main men. Has he denied ever being involved in lynching people?

Yeah, I'm accusing him of lynching people... Byrd's like 111 years old now, back when he was a young whippersnapper, the KKK was REALLY, REALLY into lynching people...there's no way he WASN'T involved... you think he'd be a member all those years without seeing some action?

If he wants to deny it, he's welcome to post here anytime... but if he refuses to speak up for himself, I'll take that as an admission of guilt.

C'mon Senator Byrd... level with us!! Post your denials here, if you dare!!

[Janice]

Don't forget that Clinton was the "First black President".

And don't forget that almost a million Rwandans were slaughterd while he looked the other way. What happened to their civil rights?

[James"Thunder"Early]

Don't forget that Clinton was the "First black President".A lot of black people like Clinton, that's just the way it is.

And don't forget that almost a million Rwandans were slaughterd while he looked the other way. What happened to their civil rights?That has nothing to do with civil rights, that's a foreign affairs issues

[Janice]

A lot of black people like Clinton, that's just the way it is.

That has nothing to do with civil rights, that's a foreign affairs issues
Maybe not civil rights, but they had a right to live.

Even Clinton himself has expressed regret that he did nothing to stop the Rwandan Genocide.

[T_ID]

Maybe not civil rights, but they had a right to live.
You're paving the way for every single war in the world that doesn't involve the US at the moment being used as an argument against you. If letting war happen is a crime, I could proceed to ask why Bush left Algeria, Chechnya, etc, etc etc..

That, or just drop the accusation of Clinton having some kind of moral responsibility in Rwanda. Nobody gave a **** when that happened. Accusing a president without accusing the public opinion that stopped him from taking action is not possible.

[Janice]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/07/23/clinton-rwanda050723.html (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/07/23/clinton-rwanda050723.html)


Clinton acknowledges he failed to stop Rwandan massacre

Former U.S. president Bill Clinton says he's sorry for his "personal failure" to stop the 1994 slaughter of 800,000 people in Rwanda.

He made the comment as he visited a Rwandan genocide memorial on Saturday, where he laid a wreath.

Clinton is in the country as part of an African tour to fight AIDS.
He was president while 800,000 minority Tutsis and politically moderate Hutus were systematically slaughtered by Hutu militants between April and June 1994.

Clinton explained his lack of action to stop the massacre by saying the U.S. didn't know what was going on, but reports last year based on declassified U.S. documents said the cabinet had accurate information about the situation.

Canadian Romeo Dallaire, who headed a UN peace-keeping mission in Rwanda at the time, later blamed the U.S., UN and others for failing to stop the killing.

Clinton apologized for not recognizing genocide on a previous visit to Rwanda in 1998.

He was in Rwanda's capital, Kigali, to meet politicians, discuss the country's fight against AIDS and donate a year's supply of anti-AIDS drugs for 2,500 children.

His foundation has been raising money and distributing it in Africa.

"I hope in the next couple of years we will be putting 150,000 people on treatment," he said in Kenya on Friday.