Did anyone watch the autobiographical movie of Bob Crane: Auto Focus?

[Ireneparalegal]

I have seen it a few times and it really opened my eyes to the kind of philanderer he was and how addicted he was to "women" in certain ways. It really puts a spin on what you may have thought him to be. I recall the murder of Bob Crane and remember how shocking that was. It was even more shocking to hear the allegations being made abt his personal life. Obviously those allegations were true. The movie is really harsh but it tells of his downfall and I guess that's why the movie is very graphic.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298744/

[Zebra 3]

I recall the murder of Bob Crane and remember how shocking that was. It was even more shocking to hear the allegations being made abt his personal life. Obviously those allegations were true.
True? Hollywood can't handle the truth! I haven't seen this 'Auto-Straight-to-Video' crap, but I do know one of Bob Crane's sons, Scotty Crane, and his second wife, Patricia Olsenhas objected to some of the details.

[Ireneparalegal]

True? Hollywood can't handle the truth! I haven't seen this 'Auto-Straight-to-Video' crap, but I do know one of Bob Crane's sons, Scotty Crane, and his second wife, Patricia Olsenhas objected to some of the details.
Objecting? Maybe he couldn't handle the truth. The first wife of Bob Crane would know alot of what her husband did...she divorced him. Alot of times kids don't know or can't see beyond their father...he may only want to know what he recalls. Surely he wouldn't know the same things Bob's first wife knew first hand, the things she found, etc. My ex-husband was not perfect. He has alot of skeletons in his closet. His kids don't know 1/2 of it. They know some, but not all. That's because I tried to shield them from it. I am sure this is the case with Bob's family.

[gilligan fanatic]

Here is a good page on it from his sons thoughts http://www.mortystv.com/bob_crane.shtml

[Ireneparalegal]

Here is a good page on it from his sons thoughts http://www.mortystv.com/bob_crane.shtml
So then it's the "stealing" of the story that he is more upset abt. It's not the FACT that his father was a sexual addict into women, porn, etc.

Bob Crane's oldest son, appeared on A&E's biography talking abt the very things that caused the downfall of his father. They showed a repeat of this bio the other night. This son, didn't dispute anything his father was and what he did. The one thing he did say was that he hoped that people remember he was a husband and a father too. Bob had wanted to get help for his addiction, which is what caused his divorces and the "loss" of his families.
Obviously, this son knew in his heart that his father sexual addict and there was no denying it. When Bob Crane was found dead, his motel room was strewn with all kinds of videotapes of him with women, including the man who will eventually be found not guilty of murdering him.

[Mr. B Natural]

Its a well done but kind of depressing movie. From what I've read and heard it was pretty accurate.

[Zebra 3]

So then it's the "stealing" of the story that he is more upset abt. It's not the FACT that his father was a sexual addict into women, porn, etc.And making up BS like Bob Crane photographed women without their knowledge, he had a penile implant, he was into S&M and had dungeons all around the country, etc.

[Ireneparalegal]

And making up BS like Bob Crane photographed women without their knowledge, he had a penile implant, he was into S&M and had dungeons all around the country, etc.
those things were NOT in the movie. JUST THE TRUTH.

[Pitooey]

I saw the movie and I must say that Bob Crane was a man whore. He got what he deserved in the end. Think about it.

[gilligan fanatic]

watch for a great documentary on him on the second.

MSNBC Investigates
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"Murder of a TV Star"
Sitcom celebrity Bob Crane is murdered.
Original Airdate: January 13, 2001.

I hate MSNBC but they really did do a good job on the documentary

[Ireneparalegal]

Thanx for that info. I believe that is the documentary where his son admits that his father was into all the things that Auto Focus showed/implied.

[pscisme]

Bob Crane was a talented man with a lot of problems which unfortunately became the subject of a movie. The film, "Auto Focus" is a searing biography with terrific performances by Greg Kinnear and Willem Dafoe.

On the other hand, the film is not "the truth" at all, but a fictional representation of a version of events and judging the man based on the contents of a movie is silly and rude.

Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone....

[Ireneparalegal]

I don't know anyone who is judging the man...certainly not me. I believe a man (or woman for that matter ) with an addiction, whether it's drugs, alcohol or sex is a person in need of help.

The movie, just like a lot of biographical movies, doesn't have the time to show us the person's entire life in two hours. Bio movies aren't always perfect. They will mix in dramatic "flair" with the truth. I can easily read several books on Bob Crane (I have read one) which will talk abt his sexual escapades and lifestyle; this is only one movie abt Bob's life. I recall when Bob was murdered. It was splashed across the newspaper and on television. I recall how hard it was to believe that Bob Crane had this other "lifestyle"...I was shocked. But it was the truth.

There is more to this man than what he did in private, unfortunately, no movie would be made on him based on how good a dad he was, his married life and his career on Hogan's Heroes.

[pscisme]

I saw the movie and I must say that Bob Crane was a man whore. He got what he deserved in the end. Think about it.

case in point (above)

[Ireneparalegal]

I didn't see that post. It's my first time seeing that. My feeling and opinion is no matter what, Bob didn't deserve to die simply because a loser was going to lose out on free sex. That man got away with murder, if he didn't do it, he knows who did. That jerk is already dead so we can't do anything abt it.

[pscisme]

I didn't see that post. It's my first time seeing that. My feeling and opinion is no matter what, Bob didn't deserve to die simply because a loser was going to lose out on free sex. That man got away with murder, if he didn't do it, he knows who did. That jerk is already dead so we can't do anything abt it.

Ironically, I wasn't referring to your posts in the first place-you've made very good, observant points!
What's more, my comment about what "the truth" is and isn't was just a general one and wasn't meant to offend.:wave:

[Ireneparalegal]

No offense taken. Thank you.

[Bronson]

He was a fine actor and that is all people should care about. What he did on his own time is his business. Were these romps consentual? If so then who cares?

[Ireneparalegal]

He was a fine actor and that is all people should care about. What he did on his own time is his business. Were these romps consentual? If so then who cares?
Sure it what his business, but when it was the downfall of the man, more like the murder of the man, than it becomes a criminal matter and in this case, a public matter. I believe that man to be guilty of the murder of Bob Crane. Also, this topic is abt a biography of a man who happened to be a philanderer. It is not to bash him. Big difference here. It is not a gossip thread.

[Stuck In The '70's]

I haven't seen the movie but I have seen all the reports on Bob Crane through the years. I was a Hogan's Heroes fan and I was shocked when Bob got killed and even more shocked when I heard about his secret life. He had an addiction and that addiction got him killed. It's to bad that he'll only be mainly remembered for the way he died but that's the way the world is.

[Sterling Holobyte]

I don't think I want to see it.:(
I have too much respect for his characterization of Col. Hogan, and I would rather remember him for that and not his personal life and troubles.

[dawsongirl]

That movie made me sick. In several different ways, but nevertheless, my hatred for that pig John Carpenter grew. However true this movie is or not, that man was disgusting. Hanging on celebs so he could be famous by proxy. What a slug.

It would have been interesting to see what may have happened to Bob had he gotten some treatment, instead of getting killed. Maybe he could have even turned his career around and gotten off the dinner theater circuit.

[catlover79]

I never saw the movie and really don't want to...Whether the allegations are true or not, that stuff was just so hidden back then. People didn't talk about those things openly back then...imagine what it would be like today. :eek:

[dawsongirl]

I never saw the movie and really don't want to...Whether the allegations are true or not, that stuff was just so hidden back then. People didn't talk about those things openly back then...imagine what it would be like today. :eek:
Oh man....that's scary.

[retroTVfan4ever]

I didn't see the movie, but followed the news reports and I also tend to believe that Crane's "friend" John Carpenter was guilty of the murder. Evidence found pointed to his direction, he was put on trial but was not convicted. Carpenter passed away in 1998, he always maintained he was innocent of the crime. Unfortunately, unless some definite new evidence surfaces, this case might remain offically unsolved.

[MickeyMac]

I saw it and liked it alot. From what I understand its pretty acurate. Crane's kids from his first family were quite involved with it and helped out. Crane's son Scott from his second marriage however claimes its not accurate. Like it or not Crane pretty much used women as sex objects, but towards the end of his life he talked about changing his ways. Had he not been killed and if he would have changed is up for debate.


Also I think John Carpernter did kill Crane. True the evidence was mostly circumstancial but it all points in Carpenter's direction, and also back in 1978 there was no DNA and fancy forensics. Had there would, Carpenter might have been found guilty.