Updated List of Rare Tv & Variety Shows

[quinncy]

E-mail me if you wish to see the latest list that I have updated over the summer...............piperspost@webtv.net

[lazygrae]

Quinncy emailed me his list looking for a trade saying he "can use any" eps of the Invaders. I told him I have them all and that I thought the quality was nice, but hadn’t really watched them yet and offered to check the quality/running times for him. He requested that I do so and I did, and got back to him saying that they were from off-air probably, or at worst 1st gen, VHS, and uncut – absolutely great copies. His reply: 'I would have to let you know what I need." I found that strange considering that only hours earlier he wanted "any". That was two weeks ago and I haven’t heard back from him. I sent a follow-up a few days later but he has not replied to that either.

I realize that trades are not always negotiated when people get in contact but usually that’s made clear quickly. What I don’t get is why is this guy trying to initiate a trade if he doesn’t actually want what he says he’s looking for? And especially why get me to check the quality if he knows he’s not going to trade anyway? It doesn't make sense that he'd be holding out for low quality cut copies of the episodes, but if that's the case then why doesn't he just say so? For a guy who charges $50 per tape you’d think he’d have more profitable things to do than waste my time making fake trade enquiries.

I don’t care about not trading with him, I’ve since found the things I wanted from him elsewhere so I’ve lost nothing except the time spent corresponding with him and checking the quality of the series, but still, I hate game-players and time-wasters.

So be careful in dealings with quinncy/piperpost/siblis/bono43, from this experience I would say that his sincerity is questionable.

[savageamusement]

Well said and stated, thank you for taking the time :)

[loren]

great point

hes tried the same thing on me and i just straight out told him not to email me anymore,and i blocked his email

i truely believe its a ploy to get your interest and then drop the sales pitch on a person at what ever unreal number hes at this week

i would love to exchange some items with an advanced and honest collector, but i have zero interest in a sales pitch at $ 50 a disc

sorry

[lazygrae]

i truely believe its a ploy to get your interest and then drop the sales pitch
Very possible in general, although it may not apply in this case. I posted a want list and specifically stated that I will not buy. Being told that, he'd have to be pretty stupid to think that he would somehow suck me into paying his outrageous prices. Besides, he and I have corresponded before and I've told him flat out that there's nothing I would pay for except the "missing" later season Mannix episodes, which he does not have.

Has anybody here ever had a successful *trade* with him?

i just straight out told him not to email me anymore
Great idea! James Quinn/Jim/Piperpost/Quinncy/Siblis/Bono43/tv2u@aol.com and whatever else you like to be called: Do not email me ever again.

[DAJIZZARIZZA]

yeah this guy offered me $50 per tape ... i was not going to say anything ,.. but since lazy brought it up i will now .

does he not understand vhs is antiquated to begin with ? but to offer 4-6 eps on 1 tape for 50 bucks is very insulting.
he may be a vet, but to me he is a dirty dog!!!!

[TVFactFan]

yeah this guy offered me $50 per tape ... i was not going to say anything ,.. but since lazy brought it up i will now .

does he not understand vhs is antiquated to begin with ? but to offer 4-6 eps on 1 tape for 50 bucks is very insulting.
he may be a vet, but to me he is a dirty dog!!!!


It depends on what's on the VHS tape. Now I would pay $50 for 4 eps of Checking In from 1981 on CBS on a VHS tape. It all comes down to what you are paying for

[Lamont]

You are right SOME SUPER RARE THINGS might be worth more
BUT
on his list
EVERYTHING Is crazy expensive
ha ha

[TVFactFan]

You are right SOME SUPER RARE THINGS might be worth more
BUT
on his list
EVERYTHING Is crazy expensive
ha ha


Yeah that's true. I can see someone charging that kind of money for Welcome back kotter or Barney miller. But if you are talking shows like checking in, out of the blue, or ABC eps of the Ropers then i can understand high prices

[Ahmed]

well they are antiques eli :)

You can't dictate other peoples prices. If you really want it then you are going to have to pay for it at the price they want.

[Agent 13]

...or else wait until someone ELSE pays out the bucks and trade with them. :happyface

[TVFactFan]

...or else wait until someone ELSE pays out the bucks and trade with them. :happyface


But why would someone trade something out they paid BIG BUCKS for? I know I wouldn;t

[Agent 13]

You've made that fairly obvious many a time, but, ahhhhhhh, you're not in my trading circle. :lol: Most traders don't operate that way. :crazy:

[RedWhine56]

Like it or not, capitalism at it's finest. Personally, I can't think of ANY series I'd pay $400+ for. (shudder) But someone with more disposable income than I may do so in a heartbeat.

As far as trading out what you've purchased, it's one way of building up your inventory!

[Agent 13]

Most prolific traders do trade away sets they've bought, including me. In my early days of trading, I bought a set of "Leave it to Beaver" and "Phil Bilko", and I made a TON of trades off of those sets. It was well worth it to me to share.

Most of my traders at one time or another have shared with me something that they've bought, as well, so I'm know I'm not alone with this mentality.

Hoard your stash, and others will be stingy or avoid you. :rolleyes:

The more you share, the more others will share with you. I've said that time and again, but it's still true. :happyface

[TVFactFan]

You've made that fairly obvious many a time, but, ahhhhhhh, you're not in my trading circle. :lol: Most traders don't operate that way. :crazy:


That's true, I have no interest in TV shows from CABLE or the 1940-1965 era-lol

[tdubel]

Just b/c you paid big bucks for something, who cares? YOu might as well "parlay" your investment into more trades, if it is truly rare, ask for a 2 to 1 ratio, if someone wants it, they will do that.


TD

[TVFactFan]

Just b/c you paid big bucks for something, who cares? YOu might as well "parlay" your investment into more trades, if it is truly rare, ask for a 2 to 1 ratio, if someone wants it, they will do that.


TD


So if you pay BIG BUCKS for something, you are not looking to receive a GEM in return? Or would you just pay big bucks and just share it with the entire community? What would be the purpose of your purchase Tom? Some traders purchase things in order to receive something that they want from another trader. Not just purchase something, and not get anything back in return. So let's you purchase the Grady Eps with Rollo as a Guest and Esther as a Guest for $100, I wouldn't expect you to release those eps with EASE and not get anything back in return because that would make your $100 purchase pointless. Do you follow me?

[tdubel]

1. Solomon, that is an extreme example and I would ask for more in trade in that case. Tape trading by definition is sharing for material for more material, this stuff is for a hobby to me. I also buy some stuff I either don't feel like trading for or stuff I really want.

2. I need to clarify my post is not a barb at Quinncy, it is a stmt in general. James and I have had many successful dealings in the past and he has always held up his end. I picked up many a rare show from him.


Tom

[DAJIZZARIZZA]

then if that is the case ... where $50 per vhs tape is worth it for some 4 eps ... then anybody who sells retrotvcollector any sets on dvd ... should charge the same $50 per dvd.

i really don't care how much a person is charging for his stuff ... if there are jerks and dumbies buying it ... enjoy being ripped off.

since i'm neither stupid nor a village idiot those prices would never be satisfied with me.

since the time he offered me that iggnorant price ,.. i've since located most of those shows in good quality i wanted from him .... so i will start charging $99.62 per dvd for now on here ,.. since there are so many potential suckers ... i may even toss you a free dvd in the deal ...

give me a break ... and this aimed at Quinncy, retrotvcollector, or any one here who will encourage this type of crook around here.

[RedWhine56]

So if you pay BIG BUCKS for something, you are not looking to receive a GEM in return? Or would you just pay big bucks and just share it with the entire community? What would be the purpose of your purchase Tom? Some traders purchase things in order to receive something that they want from another trader. Not just purchase something, and not get anything back in return. So let's you purchase the Grady Eps with Rollo as a Guest and Esther as a Guest for $100, I wouldn't expect you to release those eps with EASE and not get anything back in return because that would make your $100 purchase pointless. Do you follow me?

The bottom line is, whether you're trading $$$$ or shows...did each party get what they wanted & agreed upon? If so, it's not pointless. Before I realized there were trading groups, I had to purchase shows on Ebay & Ioffer. It wasn't until I started looking for more shows, that I discovered trading. So yes, the shows I've bought in the past are listed on my trade list. I see no point in hoarding them, just because the currency I used to obtain them was dollars and not something on VHS or DVD. I got what I wanted out of the original deal (the shows). And if offering those same shows for trade helps me get more shows I want, then why not?

[TVFactFan]

The bottom line is, whether you're trading $$$$ or shows...did each party get what they wanted & agreed upon? If so, it's not pointless. Before I realized there were trading groups, I had to purchase shows on Ebay & Ioffer. It wasn't until I started looking for more shows, that I discovered trading. So yes, the shows I've bought in the past are listed on my trade list. I see no point in hoarding them, just because the currency I used to obtain them was dollars and not something on VHS or DVD. I got what I wanted out of the original deal (the shows). And if offering those same shows for trade helps me get more shows I want, then why not?


That's the point I'm making, I said nothing about hoarding, i just said if you purchase a lot of money for something it doesn;t make sense to trade it away if you are not getting something back in return you REALLY REALLY want.

[TVFactFan]

then if that is the case ... where $50 per vhs tape is worth it for some 4 eps ... then anybody who sells retrotvcollector any sets on dvd ... should charge the same $50 per dvd.

i really don't care how much a person is charging for his stuff ... if there are jerks and dumbies buying it ... enjoy being ripped off.

since i'm neither stupid nor a village idiot those prices would never be satisfied with me.

since the time he offered me that iggnorant price ,.. i've since located most of those shows in good quality i wanted from him .... so i will start charging $99.62 per dvd for now on here ,.. since there are so many potential suckers ... i may even toss you a free dvd in the deal ...

give me a break ... and this aimed at Quinncy, retrotvcollector, or any one here who will encourage this type of crook around here.


You misunderstood me, i never said you should purchase from quinncy, i said it would only make sense to put $50 for a VHS for shows that no one else has, you know something that's really rare. I don't think someone should charge $50 for a VHS tape unless it's Original Airings with commercials and it's very rare. But you can't charge $50 for something like Leave it to Beaver or the Munsters on Tape because you can see those shows on TV LAND.

[Agent 13]

That's true, I have no interest in TV shows from CABLE or the 1940-1965 era-lol

For the record, I prefer shows pre-1980, but I do have shows from 1950-2005, as my have listing will attest.


That's the point I'm making, I said nothing about hoarding, i just said if you purchase a lot of money for something it doesn;t make sense to trade it away if you are not getting something back in return you REALLY REALLY want.
A rose by any other name is still a rose.

I've traded for and away rarities for more common place shows. Thankfully RetroTVCollector is the only trader/seller that I've encountered on trading boards that handles his inventory in this manner.

[RedWhine56]

That's the point I'm making, I said nothing about hoarding, i just said if you purchase a lot of money for something it doesn;t make sense to trade it away if you are not getting something back in return you REALLY REALLY want.

But...that's the only reason I trade...(shrug) So I don't understand your point...(perhaps my morning coffee hasn't kicked in yet...)

[RedWhine56]

That's the point I'm making, I said nothing about hoarding, i just said if you purchase a lot of money for something it doesn;t make sense to trade it away if you are not getting something back in return you REALLY REALLY want.

...or are we differentiating between 'shows I'd like to have' vs 'shows I really want' or 'shows I REALLY REALLY want'..??? If so, to me, it's all the same. My trade list is my trade list. I offer the same shows to someone who has 'a show I'd like to have' that I offer to someone who has 'a show I REALLY REALLY want'. My trade list doesn't change based upon how badly I want the show. (If that's your point.)

(drinking more coffee)

[TVFactFan]

...or are we differentiating between 'shows I'd like to have' vs 'shows I really want' or 'shows I REALLY REALLY want'..??? If so, to me, it's all the same. My trade list is my trade list. I offer the same shows to someone who has 'a show I'd like to have' that I offer to someone who has 'a show I REALLY REALLY want'. My trade list doesn't change based upon how badly I want the show. (If that's your point.)

(drinking more coffee)


Well I guess some traders are different. It's no way i can trade a common show to someone for a show never seen in syndication. I guess that's just me.

[RedWhine56]

Well I guess some traders are different. It's no way i can trade a common show to someone for a show never seen in syndication. I guess that's just me.

It sounds like you mean the reverse...you'd not offer something you consider "special" (for whatever reason) to someone for a "common" show... And the more you want something from someone (for whatever reason), the larger your trade list gets. That's your choice, of course.

[Brian Damage]

Solomon have you ever heard the saying, "You attract more bees with honey?" I think it applies well with tape trading. Sometimes if you give a little, in the long run, you'll get alot more. Lamont is the perfect example of that. If I ever want to trade something, he would be one of the first on my list to do business with.

[TVFactFan]

Solomon have you ever heard the saying, "You attract more bees with honey?" I think it applies well with tape trading. Sometimes if you give a little, in the long run, you'll get alot more. Lamont is the perfect example of that. If I ever want to trade something, he would be one of the first on my list to do business with.



I always give a little, that's how my collection expanded in the last 2 years.

[Brian Damage]

If I were to get my hands on Checking In, I wouldn't hold it for a King's Ransom. I would share it and expand my want list.

[Lamont]

Brian--- thanks for the kind words

I don't want this to be one of those threads that goes on and on and on forever---- I mean if people want to charge $100 a vhs tape, good for them

I just think that it is shortsighted on peoples parts!

I mean, I do a LOT of trades a month.... and I prefer to trade, BUT I WILL BUY if i have to! I am cheap and hate to spend the $ but if that is the only way to get a show I really want, then I will bite my tongue and do it


Sellers who sell for $50 a vhs tape, will not do as many sales as someone who sells for $25 a vhs tape....
If I were one of those High Priced Sellers, I would do the math-----

is it better for them to sell 10 vhs tapes for $50 each and make $500---
and then turn down many other potential sales.....
or to lower the price to $25 and then sell 100 tapes a month???

TO ALL YOU HIGH PRICED SELLERS, you will make more $$$ if you lower your costs!!!!!! U might not make as much per tape/disc, but you will make up for it with volume and come out WAY AHEAD!!!!

That said-- I wish them all well, if they can get people to pay the high prices, more power to them... I just am not willing to pay that much, especially for a vhs tape....

www.freewebs.com/nmboye

[rob0466]

I've had two trades with James (Quinncy) and I've had no problems with him.

[TVFactFan]

If I were to get my hands on Checking In, I wouldn't hold it for a King's Ransom. I would share it and expand my want list.


I don't know Brian-lol Checking In, a show that hasn't been seen in 24 years, never in syndication, and lasted only 4 weeks. I think i would want somwething very special in return.

[Lamont]

Well, OK for Checking in , maybe I would pay $50
BUT my particular situation was wanting THE TONY RANDALL show from him, 41 eps on 11 tapes---and NO i am not willing to pay $400 for that set
i mean, maybe if it was just 1 tape id do $50
but if i am BUYING 11 vhs tapes, i think u can work with me on a more fair price

:eek:

[DAJIZZARIZZA]

ok, i understand you can charge whatever you want for vhs ... (throw up ) or for dvd ... so on this forum you allow folks like this to roam and prey on newbies inexperience... i have no more to say on this matter .. but i hope he knows where he can stick his high priced vhs tapes.

[TVFactFan]

Well, OK for Checking in , maybe I would pay $50
BUT my particular situation was wanting THE TONY RANDALL show from him, 41 eps on 11 tapes---and NO i am not willing to pay $400 for that set
i mean, maybe if it was just 1 tape id do $50
but if i am BUYING 11 vhs tapes, i think u can work with me on a more fair price

:eek:



Yeah I would agree that would be TOO MUCH unless every episode was an Original Broadcast with Commercials and A- Quality.-lol

[lazygrae]

Everything I have is on my have list. Everything on my have list, except retails and things still on VHS, is available for trade for anything on my want list. No hoarding, no games, no elitism.

I think i would want somwething very special in return.
Unfortunately, there are a lot more traders like Retro out there who place this imaginary value on things. If you are looking for these things, then sometimes you have to play along with their game or risk losing out altogether. If you get a rare show, one that would qualify as "something special" to Retro, but you trade it to everyone first, then by the time Retro gets "Checking In" and you try to arrange a trade for that with him, your once-previously very rare show has become "common" to him and you can't do a trade. It's all just BS basically, but that's how some people operate.

[TVFactFan]

Everything I have is on my have list. Everything on my have list, except retails and things still on VHS, is available for trade for anything on my want list. No hoarding, no games, no elitism.


Unfortunately, there are a lot more traders like Retro out there who place this imaginary value on things. If you are looking for these things, then sometimes you have to play along with their game or risk losing out altogether. If you get a rare show, one that would qualify as "something special" to Retro, but you trade it to everyone first, then by the time Retro gets "Checking In" and you try to arrange a trade for that with him, your once-previously very rare show has become "common" to him and you can't do a trade. It's all just BS basically, but that's how some people operate.




You know I find it funny that some traders can have preferences like I only want to trade for DVD but when I say things like-"If I pay $100 for a Rare Show and Don;t want to trade it for a common show'then I get criticized for Hoarding-lol Unbelievable!

[lazygrae]

I find it funny that some traders can have preferences like I only want to trade for DVD but when I say things like-"If I pay $100 for a Rare Show and Don;t want to trade it for a common show'then I get criticized for Hoarding
I'm sorry, I missed your point. What is the connection between people who trade only for DVDs (which I am not one of by the way since you quoted me) and not trading "rare" shows that you paid $100 for?

[TVFactFan]

I'm sorry, I missed your point. What is the connection between people who trade only for DVDs (which I am not one of by the way since you quoted me) and not trading "rare" shows that you paid $100 for?



I was just saying all traders have certain preferences*and should not be criticized because of them. That's all. Like there are traders who only want Original Network Airings with all commercials and only want the same in return. Just like Traders who prefer emails from DVD traders only. So every trader has a certain preference

[lazygrae]

If you don't have any common shows on your want list, then that's one thing. Obviously no one is obliged to trade for something they don't want. But if you do want common things and are being picky about what you'll trade for to get them, then that's not a preference, that's hoarding.

[TVFactFan]

If you don't have any common shows on your want list, then that's one thing. Obviously no one is obliged to trade for something they don't want. But if you do want common things and are being picky about what you'll trade for to get them, then that's not a preference, that's hoarding.



There is nothing common on my want list. Anything I want, it's something that is not easy to find. Looking for Uncommon TV Shows and finding them is what makes trading fun.

[Agent 13]

Solomon have you ever heard the saying, "You attract more bees with honey?" I think it applies well with tape trading... If RetroTVCollector used a little more honey and a lot less vinegar in his posts and emails, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because his collection would be a whole lot larger than it is. :lol:

[TVFactFan]

If RetroTVCollector used a little more honey and a lot less vinegar in his posts, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because his collection would be a whole lot larger than it is. :lol:


Well I didn't get the collection I have using vinegar-lol I always use Honey when trading, it's very important.

[Agent 13]

:brent
Well I didn't get the collection I have using vinegar-lol I always use Honey when trading, it's very important.

[TVFactFan]

:brent



Jen you are funny-lol

[DAJIZZARIZZA]

are you guys talking about sex now ? ... you lost me ?
:mango

[Agent 13]

I was referring to Solomon's badgering tactics, which are completely and utterly uncalled for the majority of the time.

[lazygrae]

There is nothing common on my want list. Anything I want, it's something that is not easy to find.
Well there you go. So long as you are willing to trade anything that you have for anything that you want, you're not hoarding, imho. It's up to the people who want to trade with you to come up with something that you want, not for you to change your wants to accomodate the people who want to trade with you. I've had to get stuff I didn't care about personally many times in order to trade with people who had what I wanted, and it's always been worth it.

[TVFactFan]

Well there you go. So long as you are willing to trade anything that you have for anything that you want, you're not hoarding, imho. It's up to the people who want to trade with you to come up with something that you want, not for you to change your wants to accomodate the people who want to trade with you. I've had to get stuff I didn't care about personally many times in order to trade with people who had what I wanted, and it's always been worth it.



I do that somtimes. Like I accepted these shows to get something I wanted but never watched them once I received them.


Kate and Allie, Barney Miller, and Brady Brides

[savageamusement]

Since moderating here, sales has come up several times.

Most of you know, point blank- it isn't allowed on the site.

But, we also know it happens. Sometimes a trade is defunked to media, or cash- I am not going to play Savage Police Officer tonight.

What I do want to know is- community opinion.

Do you feel that Quincy is defaulting to selling because trades are impossible, or do you feel the trades are being made impossible to give reason to sell-
And more so, I have had specific complaints that they have emailed users, to drum up sales, BEFORE a trade is even presented.

Meaning, they are soliciting.
Not falling back on sales to help a new trader- Not selling because they coudlnt' find anything but using the sitocms email list as a bases for advertising, to sell.

I would like any feedback that is possible on this- and have as well contacted the user in question.

If sales are being done outside the board, so be it.
But if the board is being USED to make sales offers that is harrasment and no one has to tolerate that.

The main thing over the opinion of sales is this.

If you CHOOSE to buy, fine. If you choose to write them and try to work something out, fine. Its your choice you are all adults.
But if they are manipulating the rules and regulations, to contact people that isn't trading that is telemarketing.

Thank you for your cooperation


Savage~

[gilligan fanatic]

I bought a tape from him a couple of months back. It took a lot longer to get the tape than originally told but that is really the only complaint I have with him.

Also at the time I never even tried to trade I just paid the money and that was that, So I can't answer your question about that.

[savageamusement]

I am not terribly worried about quality- as I am sales and its pursuit.
And the methods taken for that.

Most people know Loren sells, Nice quality- but he doesn't sell here.

I went through tonight and personally edited 15 posts, quoting prices and sales offers.

For a member whom has been here so long, I would assume the rules stated above, would be well known.

These sales aren't being talked about privately, but posted publically.
They aren't being worked out, when all else fails they are being offered before trades start.

This to me is solicitation.

And this is despite the fact, some users emailed them to complain asking NOT to receive future sales offers and were ignored.
So to those members, this is harrasment.

This is my concern.

[Lamont]

I think that we all know that people have posted about selling her in the past. some more than others. my recommendation is to just forgive any past rule violations and start fresh......

email the people that you have had to edit or delete posts on, and tell them clearly "IF YOU POST ABOUT SELLING AGAIN YOU ARE GONE" and that is that. Then there are no excuses. I always prefer to trade, b/c that is how I get more goodies for my stocking! But others have different goals, and that is fine as long as they deal with people 1 on 1......

just my 2 cents worth

:wave:

[RedWhine56]

I am not terribly worried about quality- as I am sales and its pursuit.
And the methods taken for that.

Most people know Loren sells, Nice quality- but he doesn't sell here.

I went through tonight and personally edited 15 posts, quoting prices and sales offers.

For a member whom has been here so long, I would assume the rules stated above, would be well known.

These sales aren't being talked about privately, but posted publically.
They aren't being worked out, when all else fails they are being offered before trades start.

This to me is solicitation.

And this is despite the fact, some users emailed them to complain asking NOT to receive future sales offers and were ignored.
So to those members, this is harrasment.

This is my concern.

Well, in response to an ISO I posted, I was approached (via email) by one regular here (who was not Quinncy) about a trade and/or sale of a copy of a retail set of what I was looking for. I don't suppose that can ever be controlled. Of course, as it turns out, the trader only wanted a few things I had on my list, but I could purchase the set if I wanted to.

I had contacted this same trader previously to try to get some eps they had & I had several eps (six) on their want list - yet the trader would not trade with me because it was a "small trade". Which is fine, because I realize we are all entitled to refuse a trade for whatever reason or for no reason at all. But my point is that it isn't just Quinncy. So where are you going to draw the line? Someone who doesn't offer to trade at all? Someone who offers a trade & then says you don't have anything they want, but you can buy from them? Someone who says they only want 1 disc from you & you can buy the rest of their set?

In reality, I think it's just to hard to draw the line. I'd say it's probably best to leave well enough alone & let people use their handy, dandy delete button when they get those emails. JMO.

[DAJIZZARIZZA]

YOU KNOW ,.. THIS IS A FUNNY SUBJECT ,... I SELL ,.. BUT ONLY WHEN A TRADE IS NOT POSSIBLE ,.. AND A PERSON REALLY WANTS IT ... ON THE OTHER HAND ...IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF IF YOU HAVE A RARE SET ... YOU WILL ONLY TRADE AND NOT SELL. LET ME BE CLEAR ON THIS ... IF I HAVE ABSOLUTLY NOTHING YOU WANT ,,.. BURNER IS DEAD,... COMPUTER IS KAPUTS ,.. AND YOU WON'T SELL THE SET ... BUT "ONLY TRADE IT" ... THAT'S BAD IN MY EYES.

IF YOU ARE TOO BUSY OR SCARED TO SELL ... THAT'S ONE THING .. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
THAT'S OCCASIONAL SELLING ... ALL PRIVATE ... OK

NOW I'LL SHARE WITH YOU WHY PUBLIC SELLING OF TVSHOWS ,.. AND OH MY GOD ,... RETAILS ... IS DANGEROUS TO TRADING FORUMS.
WHEN THE PERSON GET BUSTED ,.. "ONLY A MATTER OF WHEN" THE STING CAN REACH AS FAR AS YOU OR I ,.. RIGHT HERE.

WHAT IS STOPING A PERSON (ONCE HE OR SHE IS APPREHENDED BY THE LAW ?) FROM MAKING A PLEA BARGAIN ... ON HELPING THEM GRAB MORE FOLKS FROM A FORUM ... ALL THE E-MAILS WILL BE OPEN INFO... ADDRESSES ... EVERYTHING BUT THE KEY TO YOUR HOUSE ...

I TRULY DO NOT FRET OVER THIS STUFF ,.. CAUSE I KNOW HOW TO STAY OUT OF JAIL AND OR PRISON... EVEN WITH THE TRANSACTIONS I MAKE .

SO KEEP FOOLING YOURSELVES ABOUT THE OPEN DOOR YOU ALLOW HERE ,..HELL I BET YOU BIG TIME ,.. THERE IS ATLEAST 1 COP HERE "POSING AS A TRADER ,.. CAUSE YOU GUYS LET FOLKS IN HERE PRETTY EASY.

JUST REMEMBER WHO YOU HEARD THIS FROM 1ST. ....

[scottdvd]

Since moderating here, sales has come up several times.

Most of you know, point blank- it isn't allowed on the site.

But, we also know it happens. Sometimes a trade is defunked to media, or cash- I am not going to play Savage Police Officer tonight.

What I do want to know is- community opinion.

Do you feel that Quincy is defaulting to selling because trades are impossible, or do you feel the trades are being made impossible to give reason to sell-
And more so, I have had specific complaints that they have emailed users, to drum up sales, BEFORE a trade is even presented.

Meaning, they are soliciting.
Not falling back on sales to help a new trader- Not selling because they coudlnt' find anything but using the sitocms email list as a bases for advertising, to sell.

I would like any feedback that is possible on this- and have as well contacted the user in question.

If sales are being done outside the board, so be it.
But if the board is being USED to make sales offers that is harrasment and no one has to tolerate that.

The main thing over the opinion of sales is this.

If you CHOOSE to buy, fine. If you choose to write them and try to work something out, fine. Its your choice you are all adults.
But if they are manipulating the rules and regulations, to contact people that isn't trading that is telemarketing.

Thank you for your cooperation


Savage~


There are people that post TV series for trade on here that know 99.9% chance they will end up setting up a sale, not a trade.


I rarely get a direct email from someone asking me if I want to buy a set.

I have responded to a post before and they say I have nothing they want or they are not trading the set they have for one I have but they will sell it to me. I point out a few sets they do not have and they tell me they do not want those sets at all, fair enough. Its funny two weeks later I see the sets they don't want on their list now. Its because at the time they wanted me to buy, not trade.

I rarely buy sets anymore. If you wait a month or so after a "rare" set surfaces, someone will trade it with you.

[Agent 13]

In defense of Quincy aka Piperspost... once the new "no selling" rule was implemented he quit posting prices, though there have been a few trader checks on him.

I, too, have had people turn me down for a trade for an item on their want list, only to later find out they picked it up from someone else. We all pick and choose traders for one reason or another (i.e. attitudes; lifestyle; etc.), whether we admit it or not.

patriot:

[Michael Randazzo]

I have listed I am ISO According To Jim, this guy emails me and says he has up to episodes 103.

I email him back and say yes will he trade, he says he is not trading right now but he will sell me a 2 hour tape for $50.00.

So much for being in a trade room, go sell on E-Bay. Trade rooms I thought meant to trade disk for disk or tape for tape.

God Bless

[debwalsh]

I think it's a shame when people get mad if someone isn't interested in trading with them. I've been disappointed, but it's a waste of energy to get mad. If I hunt around long enough, I've found that I can usually find what I want from someone else. But I'm a great deal more patient than most traders I find active in the hobby lately - I've been trading nearly 30 years, and some programs, I've been searching for all that time. There's one show I've been hunting for since it aired in 1968. I believe I will eventually find it, and in the meantime, I'm enjoying the search.

I buy on occasion, but I absolutely will not sell, and I will not do stuff for blanks - I can't keep up with what I'm trying to record for myself, I'd be nuts to take on more for blank media. There are a few things I'm searching for that I'd pay $50 a two-hour tape. Everyone has to decide for themselves whether what's on offer is worth the price asked, whether it's money, programming in trade, or even dealing with a person's personality or attitude.

And everyone has to find their own comfort level - if it's "trade only," why is that something to get angry over? This is a hobby - hobbies are supposed to be fun. No one is required to do something that isn't fun to them to please some other person (so long as they act ethically).

[savageamusement]

Quincy has been emailed-

I know many users here are against sales.

Some have spoken out in the past, over jealousy or spite.

Some because they know and respect the law.

And some, disagree with the rule over sales- and wish to change it
Or wish to do it, regardless.

No matter the opinion, the rules are the rules set up by others, not me.

When people to choose to sell it complicates matters, because you take an even playing ground. (hour for hour, tape for tape, dvd for dvd) and you add cost/and worth to it. Which are standards few agree with.

Due to this large disagreement, as well as the obvious violation of rules here, and laws in most areas- I have personally contacted Quincy.

I approached him on two subject matters one, the respect of the rules here.
Which is selling can take place, elsewhere.
And 2-
the larger complaints I was getting is about contacing for sales ahead of time, not evolving to a sale. Some users felt they were being emailed, after requesting they not be.

Both subjects have been address- and I was told that he will only contact those who contacts him.
For sale, or trade.
And 2- he will respect the sites rules

Once again, If you choose to buy, or sell that is your choice. There are consequences for both.
From legal, to the simple fact of being taken advantage of. But everyone has to make their own choices.
As long as the users here understand those choices, ONLINE can complicate and or risk the overall boards ability to trade- and keep those transactions private-I don't foresee problems with everyone getting along.

My appreciation to those who emailed me, replied, gave me their time and opinions.
To Quincy for addressing the issue quickly, and respectfully.

And the board, for their community involvement, and cooperation.

Savage~

[DAJIZZARIZZA]

And everyone has to find their own comfort level - if it's "trade only," why is that something to get angry over? This is a hobby - hobbies are supposed to be fun. No one is required to do something that isn't fun to them to please some other person (so long as they act ethically).

deb,.. i agree with you 95% ,... i'm different in respect that on rare occasions i will allow myself to trade for blanks or even sell ,.. only because the person who really want something i have, but do not have what i want.
i am fortunate ,... i have money,... and blanks up the ying yang i purchased ,.. i just find it hard to say no ,.. and find it very difficult just to give for noth'n.

i guess what i meant to say ,... is ... well let's take you for example ... you have ,..lets say "BENSON" a show i really want... as you say ,.. you will never sell ..ok... you will not take blanks ,... and let's say you find nothing on my list ... do i walk away with my head down ?,.. do you direct me to someone else you traded the set to ? ... do you give me an idea what you may want other than hobby related stuff ?

i hate being snubbed ,.. so i do not snubb folks just because their list is low ,.. i try to redirect them so they can get what they really want ...
i told you this is a funny subject ...lol

btw ,.. would you like to trade ? ,.. lol i just hate unwraping your list in the form you have it in ,.. deb... i'm lazy.... lol

[RedWhine56]

deb,.. i agree with you 95% ,... i'm different in respect that on rare occasions i will allow myself to trade for blanks or even sell ,.. only because the person who really want something i have, but do not have what i want.
i am fortunate ,... i have money,... and blanks up the ying yang i purchased ,.. i just find it hard to say no ,.. and find it very difficult just to give for noth'n.

i guess what i meant to say ,... is ... well let's take you for example ... you have ,..lets say "BENSON" a show i really want... as you say ,.. you will never sell ..ok... you will not take blanks ,... and let's say you find nothing on my list ... do i walk away with my head down ?,.. do you direct me to someone else you traded the set to ? ... do you give me an idea what you may want other than hobby related stuff ?

i hate being snubbed ,.. so i do not snubb folks just because their list is low ,.. i try to redirect them so they can get what they really want ...
i told you this is a funny subject ...lol

btw ,.. would you like to trade ? ,.. lol i just hate unwraping your list in the form you have it in ,.. deb... i'm lazy.... lol

I think it's ok & normal to be disappointed when someone has something we want badly & a deal can't be negotiated. I know I've felt that way & I'd guess just about everyone here has at one time or another. To take it to a different level & think that person is bad/nasty/unfair because of it is another matter. I often try to work out some small trade if I have something someone really, really wants and/or if they are a newbie, with little to offer. (I pick SOMETHING from their list, as I never sell/trade for blanks, either.) But if someone is overly persistent about doing a trade, it can be overwhelming & even a bit scary, eventhough I'm not prone to be worried about those things. Maybe it's a "girl thing". (shrug)

I am learning to be more patient, tho. (Patience has never been one of my virtues!) I'm learning if one person out there has it and I can't get it from them, sooner or later, someone else will have it who will trade with me. After all, it's not the end of the world. It's good to keep things in perspective...my family is safe & doing well & we have food & a roof over our heads. If I don't get the-show(s)-I'm-lusting-after-now, RIGHT NOW, it's ok. :wave:

[debwalsh]

If I've got something on disc that I've traded to someone else and the person who wants it from me doesn't have anything I want in return, yeah, I'd point them to that other person - I've done that, as have you, Eli, when you didn't want to trade with me. If I've never traded a program with anyone, I'm not going to be forced into a trade, though. I've had people tell me I have nothing they want, they can't trade with me. I deal with it. They're not bad people because they don't want anything from me. It's their right to accept or reject a trade. I don't have anything they want, oh well - I move on. I don't get why anyone would feel it's the other trader's responsibility to make you happy. If you've got an agreement to trade, yes, both parties have an obligation to treat the other fairly. But if you're inquiring about trading, and the other person isn't going to get anything they want out of the deal, why should they be obligated to participate in a deal just because you want? Why should they be forced to trade with you? That's unfair to the other trader. If I have no choice but to trade with every person who approaches me, I would stop trading today.

I look at it this way - if I can find it from one person, I'll be able to find it from someone else. In nearly 30 years of trading, I have never found that to be untrue. And in the process of hunting, I've met cool people and discovered interesting things along the way.

[padre]

deb, I'm in full agreement with everything you've said. I've been trading for a while, and have a fairly large list. I'd say out of the 10 contacts I've had this week, I've been able to put together a trade with 2 of them. The other 8 had either redundant stuff on their list(s), or nothing I'm really interested in. But I always look at their have list, because even though its not on my want list, I may still 'want' something or at least be interested in having it.

[debwalsh]

I agree, I've found some unexpectedly cool stuff looking over people's have lists. And when someone posts that they have something I'm interested in, the first thing I want to look at is their want list, to see if I either have something they're looking for, or they have interests similar to mine, and I might have something not on their list that might be of interest to them.

If I get an e-mail from someone telling me I have something they want, but they have nothing to trade, so how much money do I want for the show they want, I don't even answer those e-mails. As far as I'm concerned, they're not even trying. But if someone provides a have list or a link to their have list, I will look, and I will try to find something to trade. But sometimes, there's nothing, especially a list that's made up entirely of retail rips - I don't want to deal in those.

Padre, do you still need that CSI NY episode? I'm going to start transferring that show over the Thanksgiving holiday, so if you still need it, I'd be happy to make you a copy. Let me know ...

[padre]

deb, a friend of mine sent me the episode, but the quality is so-so. I could definitely use a better version. It's #3 - Zoo York. Let me know if there's anything I send you in return. Thanks.