Kanye West - "George W. Bush doesn't care about black people!"

[Steve M.]

Kanye West was on NBC's benefit concert, anbd he launched into an angry tirade about racism in the media and, before the camera cut away in a panic, he yelled, "George Bush doesn't care about black people!"

Good for Kanye West! :thumbsup: (And I don't even like hip-hop!)

[Tuesday Weld]

Kanye West was on NBC's benefit concert, anbd he launched into an angry tirade about racism in the media and, before the camera cut away in a panic, he yelled, "George Bush doesn't care about black people!"

Good for Kanye West! :thumbsup: (And I don't even like hip-hop!)

I don't believe that. :rolleyes:

[Pus$y Galore]

I felt so sorry for Mike Myers. He looked like he wanted to crawl under the floor.

[Tuesday Weld]

I don't believe that. :rolleyes:

Let me clarify - I don't believe that Bush doesn't care about blacks.

[Rene]

kanye is right he doesnt care about black people, gay people or young people.

[vashti1999]

I don't have a problem with what Kanye said, because I share the same sentiment. But that was the wrong place to say it, in that this becomes about "what Kanye said" when the focus should be on providing relief for the victims. And you can be sure he won't be invited to future events like this, like next week's concert. There were better places and times for him to show his passion.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

I felt so sorry for Mike Myers. He looked like he wanted to crawl under the floor.
OMG I know! He just had on this face like.. what the hell?! O_O

[James"Thunder"Early]

I'm hearing that from a lot of people, not directed at Bush but in general. Even my some news anchors are hinting at it. Jack Cafferty and Nancy Grace have made reference to it.

[Rene]

OMG I know! He just had on this face like.. what the hell?! O_O
really? i wish i coulda seen that

[EmoJoe]

I don't believe that. :rolleyes:
Me neither :rolleyes:

[vashti1999]

really? i wish i coulda seen that


Get it while it's hot:

http://www.rapidshare.de/files/4662131/Kanye_-_Red_Cross_Benefit_NBC_.mpg.html

[Rene]

is there a site that i could find it on windows media?

[Pus$y Galore]

Get it while it's hot:

http://www.rapidshare.de/files/4662131/Kanye_-_Red_Cross_Benefit_NBC_.mpg.html


Huh? It wants us to sign up.

[Brad]

Get it while it's hot:

http://www.rapidshare.de/files/4662131/Kanye_-_Red_Cross_Benefit_NBC_.mpg.html
:lol: Oh, my. How bizarre. Both Myers and Tucker looked taken aback.

[vashti1999]

Huh? It wants us to sign up.


There's no sign up. I just downloaded it from there myself without signing up. Select free download, and wait for your download ticket to start.

[Brent88]

Not the right place for it...

Quite frankly, I've had it with the "Blame Bush for everything".

:rolleyes:

[Brad]

Now, now. I know a certain hip hop artist who's been taken off of George W. Bush's Christmas card list. :(

[vashti1999]

Now, now. I know a certain hip hop artist who's been taken off of George W. Bush's Christmas card list. :(


Something tells me his name wasn't even considered.

[Brian Damage]

Kayne West is a moron. Plain and simple.

[JeffRuss1972]

Agreed.

[Stormtracker TF]

Kayne West is a moron. Plain and simple.
Well said.

[Jrnygrl]

really? i wish i coulda seen that


Me too!!

You know it won't be shown again.

I agree with you Vash there is a place and a time.

[*InThisMoment*]

lmao.

Kayne West is a moron. Plain and simple.
Exactly. :)

[Steve M.]

Now, now. I know a certain hip hop artist who's been taken off of George W. Bush's Christmas card list. :(


I doubt there were any hip-hop artists who were on Bush's Christmas card list to begin with. :lol:

[Janice]

What a pathetic moron. Yet another example of the desperate and frustrated Left. Another classless display. Yeah, George Bush is a racist.

What's even funnier are the fools getting excited about it. "Ohhh, someone slammed Bush on tv. How great!"

Who gives a ****. Bush is in, two terms. Deal with it. :D

[Stormtracker TF]

What a pathetic moron. Yet another example of the desperate and frustrated Left. Another classless display. Yeah, George Bush is a racist.

What's even funnier are the fools getting excited about it. "Ohhh, someone slammed Bush on tv. How great!"

Who gives a ****. Bush is in, two terms. Deal with it. :D
:king:

The left will seriously blame Bush for anything. It's sickening to see stuff like this being said in the wake of such a terrible tragedy. This is NOT the time to start pointing fingers and bringing politics into it.

[*InThisMoment*]

What a pathetic moron. Yet another example of the desperate and frustrated Left. Another classless display. Yeah, George Bush is a racist.

What's even funnier are the fools getting excited about it. "Ohhh, someone slammed Bush on tv. How great!"

Who gives a ****. Bush is in, two terms. Deal with it. :D
:clap :thumbsup:

[Brent88]

What a pathetic moron. Yet another example of the desperate and frustrated Left. Another classless display. Yeah, George Bush is a racist.

What's even funnier are the fools getting excited about it. "Ohhh, someone slammed Bush on tv. How great!"

Who gives a ****. Bush is in, two terms. Deal with it. :D

:notworthy :banana:

[EmoJoe]

Kayne West is a moron. Plain and simple.
:nod:

[MissZero]

Kanye is absolutely right....had New Orleans been filled with white republicans ttheir asses wouldve all been out of that hurricane and thats a promise.

[Jrnygrl]

What a pathetic moron. Yet another example of the desperate and frustrated Left. Another classless display. Yeah, George Bush is a racist.

What's even funnier are the fools getting excited about it. "Ohhh, someone slammed Bush on tv. How great!"

Who gives a ****. Bush is in, two terms. Deal with it. :D

Did I say I was excited about it??? I said nothing about that man and politics.

What I will say is what goes around comes around, and Mr. Superpower is looking like Mr. Superstupid.

[MissZero]

Kayne West is a moron. Plain and simple.

Kanye West is a moron....because he said what he believes in? Last time I checked AMERICA was a land of freedom and people are entitled to say what they want...unless Bush is gonna take that away from us too :rolleyes:

[Janice]

Did I say I was excited about it??? I said nothing about that man and politics.

What I will say is what goes around comes around, and Mr. Superpower is looking like Mr. Superstupid.
Did I claim you were excited about it? I didn't quote you. I was referring to whoever feels that way.

Bush may look stupid to you, but like I said, he's in. Voted in. Deal with it.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Kanye West has no political agenda, he's just saying what he thought.

[Brian Damage]

Did I say I was excited about it??? I said nothing about that man and politics.

What I will say is what goes around comes around, and Mr. Superpower is looking like Mr. Superstupid.

The only one who looks stupid is this fool

[Jrnygrl]

Did I claim you were excited about it? I didn't quote you. I was referring to whoever feels that way.

Bush may look stupid to you, but like I said, he's in. Voted in. Deal with it.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Janice]

Kanye West is a moron....because he said what he believes in? Last time I checked AMERICA was a land of freedom and people are entitled to say what they want...unless Bush is gonna take that away from us too :rolleyes:
Yeah, Bush is going to take that away from you. Get real. :rolleyes:

That jerk West has a right to his opinion, just as others have a right to their opinion on what he said.

You know, AMERICA, land of freedom, where people are entitled to say what they want.

[Janice]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Boy, you really told me. :lol:

[MissZero]

What I will say is what goes around comes around, and Mr. Superpower is looking like Mr. Superstupid.

its always been that way :lol:

[Brian Damage]

Kanye West is a moron....because he said what he believes in? Last time I checked AMERICA was a land of freedom and people are entitled to say what they want...unless Bush is gonna take that away from us too :rolleyes:


He's a moron because he chose a telethon to say something as stupid as that. This wasn't about Bush or politics, this was about helping people. Now the only thing people want to talk about is what Kayne West said, not what good came out of the event.

[Brian Damage]

What's that sentence mean? Can't make it out.


Oh oh, another one accusing you of "bias" :lol:

[MissZero]

He's a moron because he chose a telethon to say something as stupid as that. This wasn't about Bush or politics, this was about helping people. Now the only thing people want to talk about is what Kayne West said, not what good came out of the event.

go ask all the people trapped in new orleans and theyll tell you the same thing Kanye said...he was in a position of power and used it to represent all those people

[Brian Damage]

Kanye is absolutely right....had New Orleans been filled with white republicans ttheir asses wouldve all been out of that hurricane and thats a promise.


Oh so only black people live in New Orleans? Where's your proof in that statement?

[Brian Damage]

go ask all the people trapped in new orleans and theyll tell you the same thing Kanye said...he was in a position of power and used it to represent all those people


The last thing on their minds I'm sure is Bush and politics.

[MissZero]

Oh so only black people live in New Orleans? Where's your proof in that statement?

thats not exactly what i meant...but take a good look at the "refugees" and tell me how many white people you see

[Brian Damage]

go ask all the people trapped in new orleans and theyll tell you the same thing Kanye said...he was in a position of power and used it to represent all those people


Again, you are missing the point, this isn't about Bush, the telethon was about helping people.

[MissZero]

The last thing on their minds I'm sure is Bush and politics.

dont be so sure.....theres alot of devastation and their welfare is number 1 right now..but they ALL KNOW that Bush isnt very concerned about THEM

[Brian Damage]

thats not exactly what i meant...but take a good look at the "refugees" and tell me how many white people you see


I'll admit that the majority are black, but I seriously doubt he thought, oh they're black let them rot where they are.

[MissZero]

Again, you are missing the point, this isn't about Bush, the telethon was about helping people.

I realize that..but it's innevitable..with every catastrophe whether natural or caused by man governments are AUTOMATICALLY attached to it

[MissZero]

I'll admit that the majority are black, but I seriously doubt he thought, oh they're black let them rot where they are.

i wouldnt doubt it for a second

[Brian]

Just a word of warning:

Janice has a right to debate without being insulted and accused of being biased or criticized because she is a mod. Jrnygirl, your comment was out of line. Do not do it again. Any posts like that will be deleted.

[Janice]

Just a word of warning:

Janice has a right to debate without being insulted and accused of being biased or criticized because she is a mod. Jrnygirl, your comment was out of line. Do not do it again. Any posts like that will be deleted.
Thank you Brian.

[Brian]

And I would also like to add that if anybody replies to posts like that (like Miss Zero did), those posts will be deleted as well. You are responsible for what you post and that includes quoting others.

[Brian Damage]

i wouldnt doubt it for a second


That's ridiculous, to think that. I know people hate Bush, but to think he would let people die because the color of their skin is waaaaay out there.

[Brian Damage]

I realize that..but it's innevitable..with every catastrophe whether natural or caused by man governments are AUTOMATICALLY attached to it


Kayne West is a celebrity. He can appear on TV anytime he likes. If he did this on MTV or another platform, I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it. This telethon was designed to unite people, Black, white, hispanic, Asian, republic and democrat. It was completely wrong to use this to spew his opinion.

[MissZero]

And I would also like to add that if anybody replies to posts like that (like Miss Zero did), those posts will be deleted as well. You are responsible for what you post and that includes quoting others.


you can delete my posts right now if you want...because life is supposed to full of cake and ice-cream and everything needs to be sugar-coated...lets keep running away from reality

[MissZero]

That's ridiculous, to think that. I know people hate Bush, but to think he would let people die because the color of their skin is waaaaay out there.

is it okay if i pm you...i dont wanna get banned or w/e

[Brian Damage]

you can delete my posts right now if you want...because life is supposed to full of cake and ice-cream and everything needs to be sugar-coated...lets keep running away from reality

What's the reality exactly?

[Dean Winchester]

Kanye really shouldn't have used a telethon that is supposed to be helping others to speak his political views, what was supposed to be a show of good is now better known as a base for Kanye to stir up attention. But.... if this was 1995 instead of 2005 and a celebrity was on one of these shows and said the same thing about Clinton, would you guys be as offended? I'm not asking that to be attacked, just curious about that because I noticed most of the offended are Bush supporters and a lot of the Bush supporters I know hated Clinton with a passion.

[Brian Damage]

is it okay if i pm you...i dont wanna get banned or w/e


Be my guest

[James"Thunder"Early]

Kanye really shouldn't have used a telethon that is supposed to be helping others to speak his political views, what was supposed to be a show of good is now better known as a base for Kanye to stir up attention. But.... if this was 1995 instead of 2005 and a celebrity was on one of these shows and said the same thing about Clinton, would you guys be as offended? I'm not asking that to be attacked, just curious about that because I noticed most of the offended are Bush supporters and a lot of the Bush supporters I know hated Clinton with a passion.Good question

[Brian Damage]

Kanye really shouldn't have used a telethon that is supposed to be helping others to speak his political views, what was supposed to be a show of good is now better known as a base for Kanye to stir up attention. But.... if this was 1995 instead of 2005 and a celebrity was on one of these shows and said the same thing about Clinton, would you guys be as offended? I'm not asking that to be attacked, just curious about that because I noticed most of the offended are Bush supporters and a lot of the Bush supporters I know hated Clinton with a passion.


In all honesty, yes. If someone went on the air and said, "Clinton is a womanizer and a liar" or something to that effect, it would be just as wrong. This isn't about politics, it's about human life.

[Dean Winchester]

In all honesty, yes. If someone went on the air and said, "Clinton is a womanizer and a liar" or something to that effect, it would be just as wrong. This isn't about politics, it's about human life.

thanks. To be honest, I was never a Clinton fan either, I was just kinda curious because I remember my dad couldn't stand Clinton but then doesn't like it when a celebrity comes out against Bush

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

I voted Bush and though Kanyes comment was out of line. Not because I voted Bush, but just because of the situation. It was the wrong place to even consider bringing that up, and instead of giving a nice concert and bring up awareness, he had to run his mouth about politics. It wouldnt have mattered to me if he said it about Bush, Clinton, Nixon, or Ford- its just about respect. Respect for the president, and most importantly respect for the show.

[MissZero]

That's ridiculous, to think that. I know people hate Bush, but to think he would let people die because the color of their skin is waaaaay out there.

i sent you a pm in regard to this matter

[MissZero]

What's the reality exactly?

that people do dirty work..even in out government..and we like to keep ourselves sheltered from whats really happening...we like to watch it on the news and say "oh what a shame" and keep on eatin our dinners instead of taking a stand

[Brian Damage]

thanks. To be honest, I was never a Clinton fan either, I was just kinda curious because I remember my dad couldn't stand Clinton but then doesn't like it when a celebrity comes out against Bush


Personally, I hate talking bad about our president in public, but if it were done, let it be on a different platform. This wasn't the place for that.

[Brian Damage]

that people do dirty work..even in out government..and we like to keep ourselves sheltered from whats really happening...we like to watch it on the news and say "oh what a shame" and keep on eatin our dinners instead of taking a stand

Nobody is stopping Kayne West or anybody else from taking a stand. It all is a matter of knowing where you are and why you are there.

[Brad]

This will come as a shock to many of you, but I'm not a fan of Bush.

That said, Kanye... derailed. That was neither the time nor the place to say something like that, and he looked like a huge raving derelict with his rant.

Most of his diatribe even made it to air here on the west coast. It cut to Chris Tucker right before West said "George W. Bush doesn't care about black people."

Poor Mike Myers. :lol:

[MissZero]

Nobody is stopping Kayne West or anybody else from taking a stand. It all is a matter of knowing where you are and why you are there.

i understand that it wasnt the best place to say it..but by saying it he's gonna make people shake their heads and THINK about what he said, and we can all come to the same realization and take a stand together

[Janice]

It just wasn't the time and place for a nasty rant. The event was to raise money and bring unity. Instead, West became a distraction and diverted attention away from the event.

I also think it was lousy of him to make inflammatory and inciteful remarks. Things are tough enough right now. Who needs him?

The God's honest truth is that I would feel that way regardless of who he was bashing. If Kerry was in office and was the target of that rant, I'd feel the same way.

[Brian Damage]

Believe me, him saying that has got people talking. Heck it got you and I to debate about this. However, it also made people angry. Not necessarily about what he said, but where he said it. Something like that, could do more damage than good.

[EmoJoe]

I voted Bush and though Kanyes comment was out of line. Not because I voted Bush, but just because of the situation. It was the wrong place to even consider bringing that up, and instead of giving a nice concert and bring up awareness, he had to run his mouth about politics. It wouldnt have mattered to me if he said it about Bush, Clinton, Nixon, or Ford- its just about respect. Respect for the president, and most importantly respect for the show.
Thank you. You dont bring up politics and racism in a concert about a natural disaster relief. :rolleyes:

[Brian Damage]

It just wasn't the time and place for a nasty rant. The event was to raise money and bring unity. Instead, West became a distraction and diverted attention away from the event.

I also think it was lousy of him to make inflammatory and inciteful remarks. Things are tough enough right now. Who needs him?

The God's honest truth is that I would feel that way regardless of who he was bashing. If Kerry was in office and was the target of that rant, I'd feel the same way.


Exactly, even though I am a registered republican, I have always had a problem bashing a president in public while he is in office. Once he is out, he is fair game. I know it is everybody's right to say what they want, I just feel when America is in need, our president no matter who he is should get our support. Even if we despise him.

[MissZero]

Believe me, him saying that has got people talking. Heck it got you and I to debate about this. However, it also made people angry. Not necessarily about what he said, but where he said it. Something like that, could do more damage than good.

I guess it was a little out of line as to where he said it...but its something that needed to be said..and besides who knows the next time someione would even have a chance to say it

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Thank you. You dont bring up politics and racism in a concert about a natural disaster relief. :rolleyes:
Exactly. And not for nothing, but he was talking a mile a minute and then started to stutter so it just didnt make him sound all that intellegent. Im sure he was somewhat nervous though since no one obviously knew about his speech besides him.

[Brian Damage]

I guess it was a little out of line as to where he said it...but its something that needed to be said..and besides who knows the next time someione would even have a chance to say it

I'll be the first to admit, that I never heard of Kayne West besides here on these boards. But from what I can gather, he is somewhat popular with today's youth. With that said, I am sure he will be on tv a million more times and could've picked and chose where to say what he said.

[AD FAN]

He definately shouldn't have said that. It was the wrong place and the wrong time. The telethon should have been for raising money for the victims of the hurricane, not for the rantings and ravings of Kanye West. :mad:

[Brad]

He definately shouldn't have said that. It was the wrong place and the wrong time. The telethon should have been for raising money for the victims of the hurricane, not for the rantings and ravings of Kanye West. :mad:
From what I understand about Kanye, he's a very talented musician, but he has a very huge ego. No room for that kind of rant at a telethon such as this.

[Stormtracker TF]

I'm definetly a big fan of Bush, so I cant say I'm not offended by his statements in that light, but in all seriousness....The real reason why that is so offensive is that he was ranting and raving about POLITICS, when that show was to help out the poor victims of that awful storm. If he wouldve done it on MTV or something, I'd still say his comments were stupid, but I wouldnt really care. That wasnt the time or the place to go crazy like that. Right now we all need to come together to help out the areas ravaged by Katrina, if only by prayer. Not point fingers or any of that crap.

[Brian Damage]

I'm definetly a big fan of Bush, so I cant say I'm not offended by his statements in that light, but in all seriousness....The real reason why that is so offensive is that he was ranting and raving about POLITICS, when that show was to help out the poor victims of that awful storm. If he wouldve done it on MTV or something, I'd still say his comments were stupid, but I wouldnt really care. That wasnt the time or the place to go crazy like that. Right now we all need to come together to help out the areas ravaged by Katrina, not point fingers, if only by prayer.


Well said

[MissZero]

Well said

not to be a pain in the ass...but did u get my PM?

[Brent88]

Kanye is absolutely right....had New Orleans been filled with white republicans ttheir asses wouldve all been out of that hurricane and thats a promise.

Yes... and?

We're not idiots. I knew the danger New Orleans was in. I'm surprised so many stayed. Let this be a lesson next time you think about it...

[Brian Damage]

not to be a pain in the ass...but did u get my PM?

yes I did, I haven't had a chance to read it all, but I am curious as to where this info came from?

[MissZero]

Yes... and?

We're not idiots. I knew the danger New Orleans was in. I'm surprised so many stayed. Let this be a lesson next time you think about it...

how were they supposed to get out? lets not forget that a major portion of New Orleans is low income...there were no flights, many of these people dont own cars, and they cant afford to rent one. If they walked out of the city with no where to go they would've died in the storm anyway. You can;t even tell me that couldn't bring in those buses to get those people out before the storm came like theyre "trying" to do now

[Brent88]

Boy, you really told me. :lol:

:brent

[MissZero]

yes I did, I haven't had a chance to read it all, but I am curious as to where this info came from?

I chose excerpts fromt his website:
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0001a/fortunateson.html

tomrow ill work on cross-checking this info

[Brent88]

how were they supposed to get out? lets not forget that a major portion of New Orleans is low income...there were no flights, many of these people dont own cars, and they cant afford to rent one. If they walked out of the city with no where to go they would've died in the storm anyway. You can;t even tell me that couldn't bring in those buses to get those people out before the storm came like theyre "trying" to do now

Actually I agree... I just posted a picture in another thread of hundreds of buses in perfect working order that could have evacuated them. SITTING IN NEW ORLEANS!!

The problem is... the evacuation came too late. Had it come sooner, they COULD have been evacuated(the large majority anyway).

[Brent88]

BTW: I think this belongs on the political board. It's not really about the rapper dude anymore. :p

[Brian Damage]

Actually I agree... I just posted a picture in another thread of hundreds of buses in perfect working order that could have evacuated them. SITTING IN NEW ORLEANS!!

The problem is... the evacuation came too late. Had it come sooner, they COULD have been evacuated(the large majority anyway).


The blame of that has got to be the mayor.

[AD FAN]

It's not really about the rapper dude anymore. :p


That's a good thing. ;)

[Brent88]

The blame of that has got to be the mayor.

Exactly. The President and the National Hurricane Center director were BEGGING the mayor on Saturday to order an evacuation. They knew what was coming... he complained because he was "interrupted" in the middle of his dinner! :rolleyes: Yeah... now thousands are dead and the city has descended into hell thanks to you.

The Louisiana governor deserves blame too... didn't even ASK the President for troops til Thursday and they arrived YESTERDAY. She could have asked for them on Monday and they been there the day the water rose.

[SBTB Geek]

I agree with Kanye.

And LOL @ the rapidshare link, i've seen it like at 40 other websites!

[Superstar]

Kanye is absolutely right....had New Orleans been filled with white republicans ttheir asses wouldve all been out of that hurricane and thats a promise.
Frankly, I agree with that.

[Dutabi84]

I finally got to see the clip really late last night. Whether he's right or not, what a horrible time and place to bash the president! Poor Mike Myers. To quote him in Austin Powers 3, "Man this is getting awkward!"

[Brad]

Poor Mike Myers.

I know. :lol: The expression on his face was priceless. Same with Chris Tucker's wide-eyed look of surprise when they cut to him.

[Tuesday Weld]

The only one who looks stupid is this fool

:rotflmao: Yes, He does!

[felicitylen]

I agree with Kanye's statement as well. On the west coast, they cut what Kanye said. I don't even remember seeing him, so they probably cut him and Mike Meyers portion of what they had to say. I have been following the whole New Orleans situation on the news, and it's still hard to watch. There are alot of people still stranded there. What I don't understand is why Bush wanted to fly over New Orleans but he could stop and meet people in Mississippi? We see all the news anchors in New Orleans talking with people but Bush wants to fly over? Doesn't make sense. He should be down in New Orleans seeing and hearing and smelling the filth the people are still living in. He needs to hold the babies that are trying to survive without milk or water. He needs to see the elderly slowly gasping for air. Even Harry Connic Jr. (sp?) was out there in New Orleans.

[Stormtracker TF]

What I want to know is, why are so many people putting blame on the President and not the Mayor of New Orleans? He was the one responsible for getting people out in the first place. He even left the city during the Hurricane from what I know, while people in New Orleans died.

Yet, all I see are people blaming the President and calling him racist. I don't get it.

[MissZero]

What I want to know is, why are so many people putting blame on the President and not the Mayor of New Orleans? He was the one responsible for getting people out in the first place. He even left the city during the Hurricane from what I know, while people in New Orleans died.

Yet, all I see are people blaming the President and calling him racist. I don't get it.

the Army Corp of Engineers wanted to fix the levees three years ago but Bush cut the funding even though scientists had been predicting a storm like this due to the rise in temperatures of the gulf of mexico. Also, It took the president an awful long time to leave his vacation and actually go to where the devastation was. the national guard was not sent in soon enough to rescue, etc.

[MissZero]

I agree with Kanye's statement as well. On the west coast, they cut what Kanye said. I don't even remember seeing him, so they probably cut him and Mike Meyers portion of what they had to say. I have been following the whole New Orleans situation on the news, and it's still hard to watch. There are alot of people still stranded there. What I don't understand is why Bush wanted to fly over New Orleans but he could stop and meet people in Mississippi? We see all the news anchors in New Orleans talking with people but Bush wants to fly over? Doesn't make sense. He should be down in New Orleans seeing and hearing and smelling the filth the people are still living in. He needs to hold the babies that are trying to survive without milk or water. He needs to see the elderly slowly gasping for air. Even Harry Connic Jr. (sp?) was out there in New Orleans.

I agree 115%

[Superstar]

I agree 115%
so do I.

[Rene]

Kanye is absolutely right....had New Orleans been filled with white republicans ttheir asses wouldve all been out of that hurricane and thats a promise.

yea that!

[Stormtracker TF]

the Army Corp of Engineers wanted to fix the levees three years ago but Bush cut the funding even though scientists had been predicting a storm like this due to the rise in temperatures of the gulf of mexico.

Look, I'm not saying that the President couldnt have done more to prevent this, but alot of people could have, not just President Bush. Where was the Mayor's plan in case of a catastrophe like this? Where was the governor's? Where was a plan in case of a disaster like this PERIOD? Whether you like it or not, many people just threw this issue to the side. ALOT could've been done to make sure a tragedy like this never had to happen. But putting the entire blame on the President is foolish, and calling him racist is flat out disgusting. You're calling the President of our country a racist, when that simply isnt the case.

Even when Clinton was in office, if I remember correctly he did just about the same thing President Bush did when the issue of funding flood protection in the New Orleans area came to the table. Does that make him a racist as well? No.

There were fleet after fleet of buses that the Mayor couldve used to get people out of New Orleans before the hurricane hit. I guess he just didnt use them because he hates all of the people in New Orleans. Sounds pretty insane, doesnt it? I believe that about as much as I believe President Bush hates black people.

Believe it or not, there are plenty of places in the United States that are vunerable to disasters like this, filled with people of all races...But is anyone funding protecting these towns and areas? No. Because you simply can't make EVERYWHERE safe from anything.

Also, It took the president an awful long time to leave his vacation and actually go to where the devastation was. the national guard was not sent in soon enough to rescue, etc.

It's really unfair for you to use that as an excuse to say he just doesnt care about the people in New Orleans. You can't just send the President to those areas, there's people shooting at Helicopters and all that crap. Is it really safe to just take the PRESIDENT down in areas where is, quote "sniper fire" going on from the tops of buildings?

And believe it or not, the president can't just whip up thousands of national guard troops to send to one specific area. It takes time. Could it have been faster? Yes. But NOBODY was prepared for something like this happening, so unfortunetly, the relief effort wasnt as quick as it couldve been.

But look at the Mayor, look at the Governor. They were both pretty slow on getting things in order as well. The President can't do much if they arent cooperating and taking the proper measures as well.

[Hollow]

lolzzzz.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Look, I'm not saying that the President couldnt have done more to prevent this, but alot of people could have, not just President Bush. Where was the Mayor's plan in case of a catastrophe like this? Where was the governor's? Where was a plan in case of a disaster like this PERIOD? Whether you like it or not, many people just threw this issue to the side. ALOT could've been done to make sure a tragedy like this never had to happen. But putting the entire blame on the President is foolish, and calling him racist is flat out disgusting. You're calling the President of our country a racist, when that simply isnt the case.

Even when Clinton was in office, if I remember correctly he did just about the same thing President Bush did when the issue of funding flood protection in the New Orleans area came to the table. Does that make him a racist as well? No.

There were fleet after fleet of buses that the Mayor couldve used to get people out of New Orleans before the hurricane hit. I guess he just didnt use them because he hates all of the people in New Orleans. Sounds pretty insane, doesnt it? I believe that about as much as I believe President Bush hates black people.

Believe it or not, there are plenty of places in the United States that are vunerable to disasters like this, filled with people of all races...But is anyone funding protecting these towns and areas? No. Because you simply can't make EVERYWHERE safe from anything.



It's really unfair for you to use that as an excuse to say he just doesnt care about the people in New Orleans. You can't just send the President to those areas, there's people shooting at Helicopters and all that crap. Is it really safe to just take the PRESIDENT down in areas where is, quote "sniper fire" going on from the tops of buildings?

And believe it or not, the president can't just whip up thousands of national guard troops to send to one specific area. It takes time. Could it have been faster? Yes. But NOBODY was prepared for something like this happening, so unfortunetly, the relief effort wasnt as quick as it couldve been.

But look at the Mayor, look at the Governor. They were both pretty slow on getting things in order as well. The President can't do much if they arent cooperating and taking the proper measures as well.
:nod: I agree.

[Steve M.]

By the way, West could have added that the Democrats don't care about black people. Look at all the Democratic big-city mayors that ignored poverty in their own cities. In Chicago, where I believe Kanye West is orignally from, Richard J. Daley built vertical slums on the South Side to try to keep black people out of white neighborhoods, and he rammed the Eisenhower Expressway through the West Side, where the poorest blacks in Chicago live. In Newark, Sharpe James - who's black - keeps giving the business community what they want to keep the downtown area presentable while gang wars go on a stone's throw away in the West Ward. (Cory Booker in 2006!) Decades of neglect of urban areas by big-city Democrats as well as suburban Republicans led to the creation of rap, which Republicans like William Bennett and Democrats like Joe Lieberman want to censor. Censor it? You helped create it!

Also, Republicans and Democrats in Washington (avoid Anacostia!) didn't provide enough money for New Orelans to shore up its levees for forty years, as long as I've been alive. I'm thinking of voting for third-party candidates next year. The Socialist Workers Party, possibly. :p Or whichever third party wants to restore jobs to the inner cities and music appreciation programs in urban schools so rap will wither away.

[MaydayMalonesGirl]

This made me so angry. I'm so sick of people pulling out the race card whenever there is a problem in this country. It was a HURRICANE for god's sake. A HURRICANE. I do agree that a lot more should have been done to prepare the gulf coast for Katrina, but how can anyone in their right mind try and blame only George Bush for this? Can he magically control the weather? Race has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[D-Dey]

Kanye West is a moron....because he said what he believes in? Last time I checked AMERICA was a land of freedom and people are entitled to say what they want...unless Bush is gonna take that away from us too :rolleyes:

Kanye west is a moron because he believes that Bush has some racist agenda that doesn't really exist. Liberals pride themselves on racial and ethnic tolerance, but Bush has had the most ethnically diverse cabinet of any President in American history(even Bill Clinton), including two blacks as Secretaries of State, and West expects us to believe that "George Bush doesn't care about black people?" I don't think so.

[Tuesday Weld]

This made me so angry. I'm so sick of people pulling out the race card whenever there is a problem in this country. It was a HURRICANE for god's sake. A HURRICANE. I do agree that a lot more should have been done to prepare the gulf coast for Katrina, but how can anyone in their right mind try and blame only George Bush for this? Can he magically control the weather? Race has absolutely nothing to do with it.

That's exactly how I feel. :clap

[MissZero]

Race has absolutely nothing to do with it.

i beg to differ

[JeffRuss1972]

I cannot believe that George Bush is sitting around thinking, "hey, there's A LOT of black people down there, let's just take our time getting them help. I don't really like them anyway." That's highly irrational. If what most of his detractors saying are true, Bush would be a total psychotic hell bent on world domination. Gimmie a break. :rolleyes:

[Steve M.]

Bill Maher said blacks down in New Orleans are victims of unintentional racism. Maher noted that Michael Chertoff said that he saw no reason why no one could evacuate to a safer place, as if poor people in New Orleans, Biloxi, or Mobile actually all had Range Rovers they could pack up and drive to their summer home in the Hamptons and Cape Cod, because the Bushies are so privileged they think everyone else is similarly well off! :eek:

[felicitylen]

Whether we like it or not, race will always play some some part in whatever tragedy that may happen. Race and class. I know we all would like to think that racism doesn't exist but let's be real, it does. I know we all would like to think that we are all middle class and lower classes doesn't exist, but it does.

IMO, help could have been given quicker to the families in New Orleans.

[Brian Damage]

Bill Maher said blacks down in New Orleans are victims of unintentional racism. Maher noted that Michael Chertoff said that he saw no reason why no one could evacuate to a safer place, as if poor people in New Orleans, Biloxi, or Mobile actually all had Range Rovers they could pack up and drive to their summer home in the Hamptons and Cape Cod, because the Bushies are so privileged they think everyone else is similarly well off! :eek:


Bill Maher is a loon. He actually had the audacity to say that the 9/11 hijackers were brave. The evacuation of those poor people had to come from the city and state. Mayor Nagin (a black man) left HUNDREDS of usable buses in a parking lot, that could've been used to get those people to higher ground. He chose not to, yet because he is black, he gets a free pass.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Bill Maher is a loon. He actually had the audacity to say that the 9/11 hijackers were brave. The evacuation of those poor people had to come from the city and state. Mayor Nagin (a black man) left HUNDREDS of usable buses in a parking lot, that could've been used to get those people to higher ground. He chose not to, yet because he is black, he gets a free pass.What does Nagin being black have to do with anything? Saying he's getting a free pass because he is black no better than Kanye West saying Bush doesn't care about black people. Those buses we're there, but there was no where to take those people and the buses didn't have bathrooms for proper sanitation. I'm not saying that he couldn't have done more, but the debate is over what happened after not before.

[Brian Damage]

It's just that alot of black leaders like Jesse Jackson, Virginia Fields and Charles Rangle are claiming racism on the subject of Katrina. Yet none of them (at least to my knowledge) has condemned Nagin for his part or lack there of in this issue. Why is that?

[isiahthomas]

What president of the United States has cared about blacks except Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, Bill Clinton? Abraham freed the slaves so i was glad he did that. My parents told me that John Kennedy tried to help blacks. I think that George Bush doesn't care about poor blacks. That's obvious. Steve M those were some good points you made about those black mayors of those cities not doing anything for the poor communities in Chicago & New Jersey. That's going on in every inner city in america. My mom's friend told me yesterday that Cleveland, Ohio isn't #1 in poverty anymore. I wonder what city is #1 in poverty. Blacks need to care about themselves & stop being so ignorant before we start pointing the finger that nobody cares about us. How do we expect rich white politicians to look out for us when we act ignorant everyday?

[theshark8777]

What president of the United States has cared about blacks except Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, Bill Clinton? Abraham freed the slaves so i was glad he did that. My parents told me that John Kennedy tried to help blacks. I think that George Bush doesn't care about poor blacks. That's obvious. Steve M those were some good points you made about those black mayors of those cities not doing anything for the poor communities in Chicago & New Jersey. That's going on in every inner city in america. My mom's friend told me yesterday that Cleveland, Ohio isn't #1 in poverty anymore. I wonder what city is #1 in poverty. Blacks need to care about themselves & stop being so ignorant before we start pointing the finger that nobody cares about us. How do we expect rich white politicians to look out for us when we act ignorant everyday?
CLEVELAND - The city's reign as the nation's poorest big city came to an end Tuesday when U.S. Census researchers said Cleveland fell from No. 1 to No. 12 on the list of the country's most impoverished metropolises
Detroit took over the top poverty spot with 33.6 percent of its people in poverty

I would think it would have been better if he said Bush doesn't care about poor people, rather than just black people.

[DarkLordDotan]

how were they supposed to get out? lets not forget that a major portion of New Orleans is low income...there were no flights, many of these people dont own cars, and they cant afford to rent one. If they walked out of the city with no where to go they would've died in the storm anyway. You can;t even tell me that couldn't bring in those buses to get those people out before the storm came like theyre "trying" to do now

Maybe they were supose to get out on these buses?

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7180/captflpc21109012015hurricaneka.jpg

There are over 400 of those buses in total, and they were under the direct control of Ray Nagin, he could have used them to get people out before the storm, but he didn't.

Bush and the Feds are not in a place of authority to lead the evacuation efforts, it’s still under the command of the Louisiana State government, which seem to have no idea what they’re doing, and refuse to turn things over to the Feds.

This is not Bush’s fault, and it’s not the Fed’s fault, the blame rests with mayor Ray Nagin and the Governor of Louisiana.

[theshark8777]

I agree

Just to clarify I never said I believe that, just it would have been a better thing to say.

[Fleet]

Kanye West was on NBC's benefit concert, anbd he launched into an angry tirade about racism in the media and, before the camera cut away in a panic, he yelled, "George Bush doesn't care about black people!"

Good for Kanye West! :thumbsup: (And I don't even like hip-hop!)
What a stupid thing for him to say.
Bush has more blacks in his administration than any other President, including Clinton.

[Fleet]

I'm not asking that to be attacked, just curious about that because I noticed most of the offended are Bush supporters and a lot of the Bush supporters I know hated Clinton with a passion.
Clinton isn't really "hated" (even though he does have horrible family values and morals). Those who criticize him do so because broke laws and got away with it.

[Fleet]

What president of the United States has cared about blacks except Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, Bill Clinton?
When Clinton was Governor in Arkansas, several State Troopers and assistants heard him refer to blacks using the "N" word.

What did Clinton do to show he cared for blacks?

[James"Thunder"Early]

When Clinton was Governor in Arkansas, several State Troopers and assistants heard him refer to blacks using the "N" word.

What did Clinton do to show he cared for blacks?Do you have proof of that?

[MsOrange]

i didn't bother to read all the other posts, but anyway... i think it's stupid. everyones stupid. a time when people realy really just need to set politics aside and all they are worried about is whose to blame.

[Fleet]

Do you have proof of that?
It shouldn't be too hard to find statements by Larry Patterson; he was one of the state troopers who heard it.

[Fleet]

BTW, something I forgot... it took 5 days after Hurricane Andrew hit Flordia before troops were sent in there. Same thing with hurricane Floyd.

[Ags2000]

One thing I'm noticing, is that people either do not know, or do not wish to know that the federal government CAN NOT step in to help until the Governor of the state has asked for help. That is part of states rights.

Same thing as other countries are not going to come over to help until they are asked for help. Same difference.

D

[DarkLordDotan]

One thing I'm noticing, is that people either do not know, or do not wish to know that the federal government CAN NOT step in to help until the Governor of the state has asked for help. That is part of states rights.

Same thing as other countries are not going to come over to help until they are asked for help. Same difference.

D

That's what I've been trying to explain to people, they don't seem to care.


I guess it doesn't matter what the Constitution says, or what the laws say, this is still Bush's fault somehow.

This is not a Federal issue, the Federal government has no authority in disaster relief except that which the state gives it, in this case the State of Louisiana gave the Federal government almost zero authority, so how is this the fault of someone in the Federal government?

The governor of the State has not turned this over to the feds, she hasn’t even given them permission to set up a command center, so just what were the feds suppose to do? Fire up the Halliburton Wish Machine™ (patent pending) and make it all go away?

I’m sorry, but the blame for this rests with governor Blanco and mayor Nagin, whose reaction to this event has been nothing but one big Charlie Foxtrot.

Almost this entire disaster with New Orleans could have been solved if mayor Nagin had simply used the buses and drivers under his command to evacuate those unable to get out of the city on their own.

To blame this on Bush is pure, raving delusion.

To say Bush doesn’t care about people because they’re Black is slander [or libel, in the case of people on this board]. Not to mention disgusting.

But don't let me get in the way of yours mindless Bush hating, you only hurt your cause, so by all means, keep it up :nod: .

[Janice]

Kanye West Sticking to Music in NFL Show


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LOS ANGELES (AP) - In his first public appearance since verbally lashing President Bush, rapper Kanye West said he would stick to entertainment at this week's NFL opening kickoff concert.

"I don't want to detract from the show at all, because it's entertainment, and a lot of times, in a time of need, we need entertainment to lift people's spirits," West said Tuesday at a news conference to promote Thursday's free concert at the Los Angeles Coliseum.

On Friday, during an NBC telethon for Hurricane Katrina survivors, West said that "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Departing from his script, he added that America is set up "to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible." His statement about Bush was cut from NBC's West Coast airing.

On Tuesday, the Grammy-winning rapper did not elaborate on his comments at the "Concert for Hurricane Relief." Looking glum, West sidestepped questions about the remarks, noting that the week's events have been "a lot of pressure for one human being."

The Rev. Al Sharpton, however, defended West's comments on ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live," saying NBC shouldn't have edited out his statement about Bush.

"If he got on there calling women names, they wouldn't have censored him. If he got on there saying something derogatory, they wouldn't have censored him," Sharpton said.

"For him to stand up for his own people, they censor. I think they should let Kanye say what needs to be said and let the president defend it if he wants to."

West was joined at Tuesday's brief news conference by Maroon 5's Adam Levine, Good Charlotte's Benji and Joel Madden, and NFL alumni players Willie Davis, Eric Dickerson and Jack Youngblood. Good Charlotte, Maroon 5 and singer Rihanna will also perform with West at Thursday's concert.

West left quickly afterward, eluding reporters. But Good Charlotte singer Joel Madden said he supported West's right to express himself.

"The great thing about our country is we all get to say what we feel and believe. Whether you agree with him, or whether I agree with him or not, he has the right to say what he thinks," Madden said. "I think Kanye is very passionate about the tragedy down there. ... He's just trying to get other people as fired up as he is."