Finding "KAY"?

[DarkDante]

Hey all - time for another one from the vault so to speak. The case of Nyleen Kay Marshall involves a four year old girl who disappeared from the Helena National Forest in the Elkhorn Mountains on June 25, 1983 while on an outing with her parents. The case was profiled on UM in 1990. I believe the segment detailed how Nyleen vanished shortly after being coaxed by a man in his thirties in a purple tracksuit to "walk into the shadows" (creepy ain't it?).

There was little word on Nyleen's whereabouts until three years later when letters started surfacing penned from a man in Wisconsin claiming to be Nyleen's abductor. The letters stated that the individual understood the pain that Nyleen's parents must be going through but he "loved her very much, took care of her and treats her well but cannot give her up". Apparently this same individual made phone calls to a missing children's agency in New York claiming that again he "had Nyleen whom he called KAY" but refused to give her up. These calls were later traced to the Montana area but contact soon ceased and little word has been heard about Nyleen since (at least information that has been disclosed to the public)

I would like to personally state that of all the missing children cases profiled on UM I truly believe that Nyleen Kay Marshall is still alive with probably no memories of 6-25-83 or the years that preceded it. I was wondering as to what others opinions are regarding the case and Nyleen's whereabouts? - it is amazing to me that she has not stumbled upon herself on a missing persons flyer or something like that. Officials now believe that there is strong evidence that Nyleen may have never been taken out of the Montana area by her abductor(s).

One question that comes to mind - Nyleen is now twenty six years old - the harsh reality of realizing that your entire life has essentially been built upon lies would be a cold reality for the young woman to face if/when she is reintroduced to her life prior to 6-25-83. I think this is one aspect of a lot of cases of missing children often overlooked while police officials are wrapped up in locating these youngsters and reuniting them with their parents (which I do agree should be a top priority) they fail to realize that in a lot of these cases (with Marshall's being a prime candidate) there was a life etched out for over twenty years that will essentially be snuffed out upon realization of Nyleen's past. The reintroduction of a individual into their "new reality" must be treated with great care (almost as this was an amnesia case) as to not cause psychological damage to the individual.

Like I said so many questions and so few answers abound when speaking about this case - I guess as in all cases like this we can only hope for the best for Nyleen and her family.

Later.

[Kemistry]

What creeps me out about that segment was the letter that they displayed on the screen, I can't remember the exact words but it did get quite graphic about certain the kidnapper made Nyleen do. After this long it's hard to believe that she may be alive because at some point you'd think she spot herself somewhere but in the event that she is, I hope oneday she will realize the truth and finally get back with her family.

[nohwheregirl]

One question that comes to mind...

Your question makes me think of the case of Steven Stayner, of the famous t.v. movie "I know my first name is Steven." He was old enough to remember his life before the kidnapping, but somehow came to accept his new life with his molester, Kenneth Parnell. He only decided to run after Parnell abducted another young boy, and he started to remember exactly how he got there.

By all accounts, life after his homecoming was bizarre, and Steven's parents tended to over-indulge him (perhaps over guilt of not being able to find him after all those years). He died at a very young age in, I believe, a motorcycle accident.

Perhaps the most bizarre postscript to this story is that Steven's brother Cary became famous himself for murdering at least 4 people in Yosemite National Park. Cary was known to have behavioral/mental problems before his brother was kidnapped, but the trauma certainly compounded any existing issues. On top of that, his problems were reportedly ignored due to the parents' all-consuming obsession with finding Steven.

So, I guess you could say that not only was Steven's life after kidnapping a short and confusing, but that the rest of his family, and the families of Cary Stayner's victims we're indirectly affected by the kidnapping. I guess it's just an example of the far-reaching effects of these perverse crimes.

[DarkDante]

The guy really creeps me out as well. On one hand I'd like to think if nothing else for Nyleen's sake that he was a lonely person who longed for a child but could not have one of his own so he snatched Nyleen for himself. There are part of the letter that seem to depict him as a loving and devoted parent but there are other parts of the letter that are just extremely weird.

I won't reprint what the abductor wrote (I can't even remember most of it as it is one of the episodes I don't have on vhs unfortunatley) but it seemed he was into some videotaping exploitation fantasy activity which is sadly the route many of these abductors persue. Sadly what some people do not realize is part of the job of an investigator on a case like this is to pour through dozens of archives of smut trying to link up the unfortunate individuals in these "films" with the missing children on their dockets - certainly a very morbid job for sure. (just ask Pete Townshend - jk)

The problem with the more "off color" sections of the letter is it could indicate that at some point Nyleen Kay Marshall became a liability to her abductor and was disposed of. However, it is important to note that we are not even sure that the letter was sent from someone who abducted Nyleen although something I forgot to previously mention the letters did contain intimate details about Nyleen and the case not released to the public that only someone who was very close to Nyleen would know. It just makes me heartsick to think of the situation in this case if Nyleen was truly abducted by this sicko. Then again he did say he cared for her and treated her well in the same breath that he said his other "off color" remarks.

The obvious problem about locating Nyleen Kay Marshall today would be in essence the search is still on for a little girl. In reality Nyleen is a young woman now and in all likelyhood probably does not resemble the Nyleen of twenty years ago. I know they can do computer processing photos taking pictures of relatives and the person themselves and merging features but at times it seems like finding a needle in a haystack. This is what makes me worry about cases like the Baskin children and Morgan Nick. The Baskins would be around Nyleen's age but in their case they were abducted much later in life so there is a bit of a measuring/jumping point to start from in locating them. In Morgan Nick's case she would be in her pre-teens by now and was abducted I believe when she was around five years old.

Again all we can do is hope for the best

Love & Mercy

[mercy1825]

The possibility that the letter was a cruel hoax must not be dismissed. There was a famous case, I believe in Montana, profiled on the FBI Files (discovery channel) of a serial child predator who contacted the families of his victims with lies and stories about the survival of victims he had already actually murdered. So the possibility remains that the letter writer actually murdered Nyleen and enjoys cruel and unspeakable taunts to the family.

Also, it could be a ridiculously cruel prank but someone who was close to Nyleen and enjoys the attention of the incident. Somewhat analogous to munchhausin. These events do occur.

The above case profiled on FBI files; the killer committed suicide in jail very soon after his arrest after confessing and leading authorities to the graves of his four victims. This took place I believe in the early 1980's. Anyone remember the guy's name?

[palmyrafan]

About Nyleen, was she the little girl that was allegedly related to the actor, Rick Schroeder?

I remember that at the time a little girl who was camping with her family and then disappeared, was somehow related to Rick Schroeder. Her uncle or something.

I only saw the show once, and have never seen any updates about it.


As for Nyleen, if she was taken to Montana, I would not be surprised if she were still alive. We just had neighbors leave our neighborhood in Philadelphia who moved to Montana and their closest airport and closest big city (over 30,000 people) are 2 1/2 hours away by car. It would be possible for her to remain anonymous out there.

[DarkDante]

No relation to Mr. Schroeder and yes I do believe Nyleen is still alive.

[crystaldawn]

About Nyleen, was she the little girl that was allegedly related to the actor, Rick Schroeder?

I think the case you're referring to about is that of Laura Bradbury. She was supposedly a distant cousin of Rick Schroeder. She wasn't profiled on UM but here is a previous thread where her case was discussed:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=114871&highlight=laura+bradbury

[Tap Dancer]

Nyleen's story was on today. I hope you were all able to watch it.

[Kane]

There was a famous case, I believe in Montana, profiled on the FBI Files (discovery channel) of a serial child predator who contacted the families of his victims with lies and stories about the survival of victims he had already actually murdered. So the possibility remains that the letter writer actually murdered Nyleen and enjoys cruel and unspeakable taunts to the family.

The above case profiled on FBI files; the killer committed suicide in jail very soon after his arrest after confessing and leading authorities to the graves of his four victims. This took place I believe in the early 1980's. Anyone remember the guy's name?

David Meirhofer. And the child murder case you're referring to was the 1973 murder of seven-year-old Susie Jaeger (pronounced Yay-ger). Although it isn't an UM case, I remember seeing it on FBI Files.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Someone made a comment about Nyleen possibly still being alive and living in Montana. I've mentioned before that I live in Montana, and I'm approximately the same age as Nyleen. I do not agree with the theory that she would still be living in Montana, unaware of the fact that she had been abducted. The reasoning behind this is because this was a HUGE case. I knew who Nyleen was even before she was proflied on UM. Why? Because it was ingrained (at least in my elementary school) that we were NOT to run off and play alone, lest we suffer the same fate as Nyleen. And I wasn't even from the same area in which Nyleen disappeared from.

I agree with the theory that she may have been raised as "Kay." Just not in Montana. I think the case was too high-profile. SOMEONE would have recognized her over the years.

[Awsi Dooger]

I found this today on another message board. I'll just paste it. On the immediately preceding post, this person claims to be Nyleen Kay Marshall's cousin so if true he would know something like this: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=959203#post959203

" Oh, You may have been wondering...

"I thought some of you might find this interesting. Nyleen was profiled on Unsolved Mysteries, if some of you saw that episode, you would have seen her mother. She was murdered in mexico while looking for a house for her family to move into as her husband Kim was being transferred. She was found raped, with her hands bound behind her back, hung with a mans belt, all jewelery and valuables missing, and the mexican police labeled it a suicide and refused us jurisdiction to investigate. Voila! A whole new unsolved mystery for you. Poor Kim, how much can the man take?"

If this is true, it must have happened in the last few years since this article from 2002 shows a picture of the mother, Nancy Marshall, and quotes her as still looking for Nyleen even while at amusement parks, etc. Of course, it's obviously an older picture off a TV still frame and perhaps the quote was very dated as well: http://www.channel3000.com/news/1555573/detail.html

On edit: I just watched the UM segment and that still frame and quote from Nancy Marshall were taken directly off UM's coverage. That's very poor journalism since the UM segment was apparently from 1990 yet the article presents it as current as of 2002. If Nancy Marshall was indeed murdered, it might have happened long before that article was written, depicting her as alive and looking for Nyleen. So far I haven't found anything confirming Nancy Marshall's death.

[Tap Dancer]

Nyleen is one year younger than I am. I only have one memory before the age of 4. She was 4 when she was kidnapped. She probably doesn't remember the incident and I bet she thinks that man is her relative. :( Even though she's an adult now, he may still have her. It's hard to imagine that someone her age doesn't have TV or Internet access, but she might not.

[buckeyeblogger]

(Anger on)

I think stories of abducted children are probably the one's that make me ache the most. It's very easy to place myself in the shoes of the parent, in this case Nyleen's mother. All of these years looking for her 4 year old little girl that was taken from her by pure evil.

That little girl is of course, if still a live, a grown woman (about 4 years younger than myself) who may have no memory of her life at age 4.

I'm trying to think back to 1980 (when I turned 4) and about the only thing I remember..and it's very vague.. is when my parents bought a new house.

It's very possible that Nyleen never lived past that afternoon though, and that's more probably the likely outcome. Someone that's very sick and demented has been taunting authorities and her parents since then with the prospect that she is still alive.

Honestly, with the fact that this abductor decided to keep the game of cat and mouse going for sometime makes me wonder how the hell he/she hasn't been caught. A fingerprint on a letter, tracing those phone calls, etc. It's 23 years removed from the incident and still nothing..

One thing that can comfort all of us is that God opens his arms to the innocent among us and I can think of nothing more innocent than a little boy or girl that meets an untimely death. If she is no longer alive -- she's been in very good hands for a long time. And her abductor
will eventually meet his/her miserable fate, in this world or the next.

(Anger off)

[Awsi Dooger]

What creeps me out about that segment was the letter that they displayed on the screen, I can't remember the exact words but it did get quite graphic about certain the kidnapper made Nyleen do. After this long it's hard to believe that she may be alive because at some point you'd think she spot herself somewhere but in the event that she is, I hope oneday she will realize the truth and finally get back with her family.

I didn't tape it but today I took a quick look at the typed text after this thread was bumped and posters mentioned the segment was on today. I hope this isn't too graphic but the sentence I read said something about the guy's semen. Sorry for that reference but I think it's necessary to understand the type of sicko we're dealing with here.

He apparently had specific info regarding the abduction. If he's indeed the perpetrator I would have to agree with buckeyeblogger that Nyleen probably didn't live long, perhaps not surviving the rest of the day.

If she is alive, having internet access means nothing. At that age memories fade incredibly quickly and focus change is immediate. Just a day or two of the new person saying mommy was going away for a while, and he was taking care of her until then, would be plenty. Then within weeks the new person has taken over and is essentially the only world she ever knew.

[Tap Dancer]

I don't have a VCR that records, a Tivo, or a DVR. In other words, I have to watch UM while it's on or not at all. :( I wasn't able to read any of the letter and I'm very curious to know what it said. Can someone pm me?

[Allierain]

"I hope this isn't too graphic but the sentence I read said something about the guy's semen. Sorry for that reference but I think it's necessary to understand the type of sicko we're dealing with here."

I also read that part of the letter and my eyes were bugging out. It was horrific and sick.

[mistagee]

I personally do not think Nyleen kay marshall is alive anymore. There were a bunch of kids who disappeared in national forests and parks in Montana, if you check the charley network.com you will see. Is it certain she was lured by a stranger? Could she have been killed by a mountain lion?

[justins5256]

I can't believe they showed the letter and didn't try to censor those lines. I guess they didn't anticipate geeks like us doing freeze frames and trying to read it.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

I personally do not think Nyleen kay marshall is alive anymore. There were a bunch of kids who disappeared in national forests and parks in Montana, if you check the charley network.com you will see. Is it certain she was lured by a stranger? Could she have been killed by a mountain lion?


It's not certain that she was abducted, although a few people saw her playing a game called "Jump the Shadows" or something like that with an unidentified man. I don't think she was killed by a mountain lion, as there was an extensive search of the area that spanned quite a few days, if my memory serves correct. Nevertheless, it could have happened, although it doesn't explain the letter that the abductor sent Nyleen's parents.

[mercy1825]

This speculation is starting to make me parallel this case with that of Michael Henly Jr. There was widespread speculation that he was abducted and seen in a photo along with Tara Calico, but in reality his body was found a few years later. He had simply wandered off and died of exposure. This is definitely a possibility here, especially if the child had covered them self in something to try and keep warm. This would explain why searchers didn't find them. Anyone else agree? Many sickos write letters for "kicks," as Bill Wacker would say.

[crystaldawn]

I can't believe they showed the letter and didn't try to censor those lines. I guess they didn't anticipate geeks like us doing freeze frames and trying to read it.

"Geeks like us, huh.....thanks!" :p :lol:

I know the part you're referring to and it seemed like they start showing the letter in the middle of that sentence. I guess they think we're too stupid to realize what he's talking about. :rolleyes:

JS, You might be interested to know I'm working on deciphering the Tom Roche letter. There are some holes though. Let me know if you can contribute anything to that.

[mercy1825]

This speculation is starting to make me parallel this case with that of Michael Henly Jr. There was widespread speculation that he was abducted and seen in a photo along with Tara Calico, but in reality his body was found a few years later. He had simply wandered off and died of exposure. This is definitely a possibility here, especially if the child had covered them self in something to try and keep warm. This would explain why searchers didn't find them. Anyone else agree? Many sickos write letters for "kicks," as Bill Wacker would say.

[crystaldawn]

Nice Bill Wacker reference there Mercy.....:lol:

I actually never thought of that scenario. I know that one of Nyleen's friends said there was a strange man around there. (I believe he wanted them to play "follow the shadow" if I'm not mistaken). It is possible that someone wrote the letter for attention, I'm sure it wouldn't have been the first time. I'm sure police have never released the entire letter but wonder if he said anything in there that definitely made them believe he really had taken Nyleen.

[justins5256]

"Geeks like us, huh.....thanks!" :p :lol:

It was an all encompassing statement, myself included. :)


JS, You might be interested to know I'm working on deciphering the Tom Roche letter. There are some holes though. Let me know if you can contribute anything to that.


I have no desire to contribute anything, but good luck. Please let us know the results.

[DarkDante]

This being my all time favorite case I'd just like to say I think Nyleen was at least alive in 1985. She might not be now but I hope she is. I don't think she was eaten by a mountain lion or fell in a creek or anything like that, "She is the victim of a kidnapping" (okay CD what is that from ;))

That letter according to police contain information which was not released to the general public. Some of the information that has NEVER been released about this case is exactly what Nyleen was wearing that day. A description of her clothing has never been mentioned. The letter also mentions that he "picked Kay up on a road near the Elkhorn Mountains" which I find very interesting. I dunno its a puzzle and one that is likely one of those eternal puzzles.

[crystaldawn]

"She is the victim of a kidnapping" (okay CD what is that from ;))

The Keri Lynn Nixon segment of course. :)

[dynoguy88]

OMG, I seriously hope that Nancy Marshall wasn't killed like that poster said. Lord knows that family has already been through enough pain.

For anyone interested in reading the letter from Nyleen's abducter I'll type it out for you. Bits and and pieces of the letter weren't shown, so take from it what you can. Anyone not interested in reading it, please don't read ahead. Only one sentence is disturbing and a couple other could be interpreted either way. ..

(The first line is cut off) ... all I could tell them was that she was O.K. I hope that Child Find can get the following back to her family.

I picked "KAY" up on the road in the Elkhorn Park area between Helena and Boulder. She was crying and frightened and as I held her she was shaking and I decided that I would keep her and love her. I took her home with me.

I have a nice investment income and I can work at home so I care for her myself all the time. I teach her at home and she likes to go with me when I travel. She would gladly recount to you trips to San Francisco, New York, Oklahoma City, New Orleans, Nashville, Chicago, Puerto Rico and Canada. We were even in Britain for a month last year and she loved it. Nobody questions passports.

Her hair is short and curly now and she has really grown. She is about 45 inches and around 50 pounds. She has all four of her permanent upper and two of her lower incisors at this time. She takes a bath and brushes her teeth every day.

*** The next part of the letter isn't shown. I'm not sure if it's just a paragraph or a whole page.***

(Continued from previous page) ... it is or where it comes from, only that I get it from the bathroom every morning. It is actually a spoonful of my s*men. It doesn't affect her physically. I have NEVER "molested" her in any other way.

She is a sweet little girl and it is because of how much I have grown to love her that I realize how much her family must miss her. But she has adjusted and seems happy. She trusts me and isn't afraid. We play alot and she laughs when we clown around. She smiles and acts coy when I tease her. She giggles when we snuggle and hugs me sometimes for no apparent reason. I love her and I have her. I just can't let her go!

[Awsi Dooger]

This speculation is starting to make me parallel this case with that of Michael Henly Jr. There was widespread speculation that he was abducted and seen in a photo along with Tara Calico, but in reality his body was found a few years later. He had simply wandered off and died of exposure. This is definitely a possibility here, especially if the child had covered them self in something to try and keep warm. This would explain why searchers didn't find them. Anyone else agree? Many sickos write letters for "kicks," as Bill Wacker would say.

I don't discount that possibility at all. In fact, I nearly posted it last week in this thread. I'm always looking for the simplest explanation, the one requiring the least variables. Here, an abduction obviously requires at least one other person into the equation plus taking Kay without anyone seeing it happen, and no one noticing all the way to the (presumed) vehicle.

I'm struck by how vague the abduction section of the letter is, "in the Elkhorn Park area between Helena and Boulder." What the hell is that? That's not even close to the typical specifics from a perpetrator to verify it was him. Zodiac went out of his way to give details like the exact type of ammo and in which direction the victims were facing and how they reacted to his shots/stabbings. In this case the guy is trying to sound "normal" and not a threat to her, so you can understand some understatement but not to this absurd degree. "I took her home with me." Gee, that clarifies things.

Frankly, someone who actually abducted a young girl, but now was caring for her, would probably try to make it sound like it was HER choice to come with him. Like he started talking to her then she smiled and walked alongside him willingly. A perpretator of this type wants to BELIEVE that's what happened, even if it's not true. The complete lack of any type of rationalization along those lines really makes me dispute this guy as the abductor.

Thanks to dynoguy88 for printing the text of the letter. When you read it closely, it sounds just like a bad fraudulent psychic, tons of generalities and nothing that indisputably describes Nyleen herself or verifies this grandiose tale of widespread travel is actually happening. Granted, we don't know the entire contents and maybe he wrote something very specific and meaningful that was withheld, in this letter or others. But even the description of the clothes wouldn't be enough for me in that regard. If it's similar to the rest of his text, it could just be a clever blanket generality that covers what any young girl of that age would likely be wearing on an outing in the woods. We're not even sure the exact clothing wasn't mentioned by someone. After all, it was a huge hunt and you know damn well every member of the search party was given specific details regarding what color/type clothing she was wearing.

I would have to see the letter in its entirety to make a judgment.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Someone mentioned that Nyleen's mother had been murdered... is that true? I did a Google search and came up with nothing. I would love more info if that's the case...

[dynoguy88]

Hmmmm.... I'm trying to think of Nyleen possibly having wandered off and dying of exposure like the Michael Henley case but I have a hard time believing it. I mean, seriously, how far away could she have traveled? They were in a park that was searched for miles and miles in every direction for days. They certainly would have found her. Nyleen was only 4 years old when she vanished, she wasn't older like Michael Henley having vanished when he was 9. I just have a hard time believing that a 4 year old girl could wander off so far that NOBODY, not even a huge search and rescue team could find her.

As far as the abductors letter is concerned, I have no idea if it is a fake or not. I think there was a whole page that wasn't shown. But remember in the Unsolved Mysteries segment, Nancy Marshall said that there were tons of Nyleen sightings from coast to coast. If the abductor was in fact traveling with her, that could explain all of the sightings. I can't really go into the mind of a nutcase child abductor but I would assume that they aren't all the same. So I can understand if they didn't want to reveal too much info about themselves. But maybe the page of the letter that wasn't shown would explain more, who knows?

Nyleen's family will always be in my prayers but I can't help but wonder where the adults were at the time. If Nyleen was playing with other children nearby, that's fine. But I would assume there would be an adult close by to keep an eye on them. (Exactly how far away the children were playing, we don't know.) I realize that more often than not, you're going to keep your guard down but you should never take that chance. Nyleen's family members had to question the other children that were playing with her to find out about her last known sightings. It really would have been better if the children were playing close enough so that they could always be seen by the adults at the picnic.

[DarkDante]

I am positive that the letter (probably in a part we haven't seen) describes some details that were not released to the general public. In fact I think that is mentioned in the segment, I still find it very interesting that nobody has ever mentioned what Nyleen was wearing that day. Maybe the letter details that....I dunno.

I really hope Nancy Marshall is still with us, I can't find anything on her "murder".

[Awsi Dooger]

I posted the link from another thread regarding Nancy Marshall's supposed murder. I have not been able to find any verification or info either. Maybe someone can contact the media in the area where the family lived and ask about it.

I make it a favorite that Nyleen was abducted. But not an overwhelming favorite without seeing a letter with undeniable specifics. Of course, it's very possible she was taken but not by the person who wrote that letter.

Good point about the age difference between Nyleen and Michael Henley. She couldn't have gone far. But you can look at it in reverse also. A 4 year old girl takes up much less space than a 9 year old boy. She could have fallen in a hole or into a crevice. Without knowing the terrain in the area it's difficult to speculate. If there are major differences in elevation, and opportunity to accidentally fall to a remote area which is difficult to access, then a body not being located is not out of the question.

[dynoguy88]

Awsi Dooger, I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to find any info on Google about Nancy Marshall's possible murder but I couldn't find anything. I even clicked on the posters screen name (from your link) who mentioned the killing in Mexico - I wanted to send her a private message asking her where she heard that information but you have to sign up to post there... and for some reason, it wouldn't let me because they don't allow free e-mail addresses..... what on earth does that mean? :confused:

I think a huge problem in finding any info about Nyleen's parents is the fact that the Unsolved Mysteries segment NEVER mentioned where the Marshall's lived... just that they were at a picnic near Helena at the time of Nyleen's abduction. They could have been vacationing, camping, visiting relatives for all we know. I don't think their home town was mentioned in the CNN article link either.

I really, really, really don't want to believe that Nancy Marshall met this fate. Just thinking of the sadness that her husband and family would have felt after already losing Nyleen is just scary.

[Awsi Dooger]

Awsi Dooger, I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to find any info on Google about Nancy Marshall's possible murder but I couldn't find anything. I even clicked on the posters screen name (from your link) who mentioned the killing in Mexico - I wanted to send her a private message asking her where she heard that information but you have to sign up to post there... and for some reason, it wouldn't let me because they don't allow free e-mail addresses..... what on earth does that mean? :confused:

I think a huge problem in finding any info about Nyleen's parents is the fact that the Unsolved Mysteries segment NEVER mentioned where the Marshall's lived... just that they were at a picnic near Helena at the time of Nyleen's abduction. They could have been vacationing, camping, visiting relatives for all we know. I don't think their home town was mentioned in the CNN article link either.

I really, really, really don't want to believe that Nancy Marshall met this fate. Just thinking of the sadness that her husband and family would have felt after already losing Nyleen is just scary.

dynoguy88, I feel the same way you do. Nancy Marshall seemed like an All-America mom so I was shocked and saddened when I read that post on the websleuths forum last week. It is probably legit since that poster provided so many specifics regarding the incident, and also the name of the husband, Kim.

I remember trying to PM but when it asked me to register I got lazy and hesitant and didn't do it. Maybe someone here can follow through on this and not have that free email address problem, which does sound bizarre. The link is http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=959203#post959203 and the poster is named Cattitude. The posts in this matter are only six weeks old so most likely Cattitude's account is still active. Maybe Cattitude can be directed to this thread and forum and provide more info, assuming it's unfortunately true regarding Nancy Marshall's fate.

[crystaldawn]

Wow, that is incredibly sad news. :( I read Websleuths often and must have missed that. I agree dynoguy registering on there takes an act of congress. It wouldn't let them give me my personal email address so I had to use the main one for our internet account. Well I did register and plan on sending a pm to her and ask her some questions and I will post if I hear back. Unfortunately I do tend to believe it is accurate as she said she was a relative. Its always haunting for me to watch someone being interviewed on UM who I know is now deceased (i.e. Stephen Marfeo).

[DarkDante]

I'll admit it right now, I found Nancy Marshall kind of cute. She probably old enough to be my mother but she has really nice eyes.

[mistagee]

I dont think Nyleen is alive, I dont think that she was abducted by the letter writer, because other information could have found its way to the public via invesitgators or police or friends or even family. Im sure the parents may have even told people in the picnic site what she was wearing. So, I think the letter is a hoax. When you are 26 you do think back to the people you lived with for four years as a child, because she would have said something. Everyone swore that Michael Hanley was abducted, and he wasnt. She probably wandered off, and fell under some rocks or off a cliff or into a river or stream and then may have been eaten by animals.

That whole s*men thing is absolutely horrifying.

[spark19]

I've been lurking for a while and have read numerous threads that mentioned this poor little girl's disappearance. I honestly couldn't remember this case very well, but thanks to crystaldawn's dvds (which I just got today and have thoroughly given me the heebie-jeebies), I can't help but feel utter sadness and confusion over this case. I'm sure there haven't been any updates as of late - but did anyone find out if her mother was for sure raped and murdered in Mexico??

[Awsi Dooger]

A subsequent post in that Websleuths thread. I'd call it extremely far fetched, but here goes: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11732&page=2&pp=25

"My husband was one of many who helped search the area where Nyleen went missing. Several weeks later, he took me to the area, and it is a very remote, mountainous area with trees, shrubs, etc. During the time of the search the question came up if she could have been carried off by a mountain lion, but the search has since been focused on as an abduction.

When I lived in Montana, an article appeared in the Helena Independent Record newspaper (approx. 1997) that a young woman had entered an out of state hospital to give birth. She didn't seem to know much about her personal history but thought perhaps her mother's name was Nyleen. They were wondering if this might have been Nyleen herself. The newspaper never confirmed or disclaimed whether it could have been Nyleen or not.

I now live in Washington state, so I've never learned if there was anything to the above story or not.

It's all a mystery still.

Micromom

[dynoguy88]

I'm sure there haven't been any updates as of late - but did anyone find out if her mother was for sure raped and murdered in Mexico??

I've tried and tried but have never been able to find any information on the net. Maybe it's just a false rumor....I hope.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

I told Crystaldawn that I would e-mail someone from the area in which Nyleen Kay Marshall disappeared... I think it was in Clancy, MT. In any case, don't you think that law enforcement officials would know, since they would most likely have her information if anything was revealed in the Marshall case?

[crystaldawn]

Yes between all of us looking for answers, maybe someone will come up with the story. I was curious where Nyleen was from when she disappeared because maybe LE or the media there would know but on the other hand if she was killed in Mexico they may not have much info. I just emailed someone I've had some dealings with on the doe network on the slim chance that she could check around and find out for me. I am a member of websleuths so if nothing else I guess I could post to the thread on there (since the cousin never got my pm) and see if she would contact me so I could get the info. I'll wait and do that as a last resort though.

[spark19]

A subsequent post in that Websleuths thread. I'd call it extremely far fetched, but here goes: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11732&page=2&pp=25

"My husband was one of many who helped search the area where Nyleen went missing. Several weeks later, he took me to the area, and it is a very remote, mountainous area with trees, shrubs, etc. During the time of the search the question came up if she could have been carried off by a mountain lion, but the search has since been focused on as an abduction.

When I lived in Montana, an article appeared in the Helena Independent Record newspaper (approx. 1997) that a young woman had entered an out of state hospital to give birth. She didn't seem to know much about her personal history but thought perhaps her mother's name was Nyleen. They were wondering if this might have been Nyleen herself. The newspaper never confirmed or disclaimed whether it could have been Nyleen or not.

I now live in Washington state, so I've never learned if there was anything to the above story or not.

It's all a mystery still.

Micromom


That DOES seem really far-fetched...I mean, I know that Nyleen isn't exactly a common name, but there would have to be a really strong resemblance to assume that. And if that were true, and people really suspected it - I'm sure that they took enough tests to conjure up some DNA evidence right there...

[spark19]

Yes between all of us looking for answers, maybe someone will come up with the story. I was curious where Nyleen was from when she disappeared because maybe LE or the media there would know but on the other hand if she was killed in Mexico they may not have much info. I just emailed someone I've had some dealings with on the doe network on the slim chance that she could check around and find out for me. I am a member of websleuths so if nothing else I guess I could post to the thread on there (since the cousin never got my pm) and see if she would contact me so I could get the info. I'll wait and do that as a last resort though.

Unfortunately, if all of that is true - and it happened in Mexico, odds are that we'll never find anything out. It's truly despicable how crimes against women are generally treated (I've read numerous articles in the news recently about women in Mexico whom were raped, and the government forbade them from having an abortion for "religious" reasons and the fact that the culture is incredibly male dominated). I mean...according to the supposed cousin, the woman was RAPED with her arms tied around her back, and it was deemed a suicide.

I have the feeling that if we wanted to fight anything out, we'd have to go to Mexico ourselves and conduct our own investigation. I REALLY hope that this is all untrue for that reason...

[LooksLikeCRicci]

All right. I've e-mailed the sheriff of Jefferson County in the off chance that he might have some more information. The content of the e-mail is attached. When and if I recieve a reply, I'll post it for y'all.

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I'm not sure if you were involved with Law Enforcement agencies at the time that Nyleen Kay Marshall disappeared back in the 1980's, but I have a question for you. I frequent a website where we discuss several cases that have been profiled on the television show "Unsolved Mysteries," and the Nyleen Kay Marshall case has been a favorite topic amongst the people on that site for some time.

We've recently heard a disturbing rumor that Nyleen's mother, Nancy Marshall, was murdered while in Mexico. We have not been able to verify this story. As Jefferson County is the jurisdiction that is handling Nyleen's disappearance, I thought that you may be able to shed light on this subject, since I'm assuming that if there were any developments in the kidnapping case, you'd contact Nancy Marshall herself.

Thank you for any information you can provide to us on the subject.

[dynoguy88]

LooksLikeCRicci, thanks for sending out that e-mail. Hopefully you will get a response so we can know whether this awful thing happened or not.

If Nancy Marshall was killed, than it had to have happened within the last 4 years because the Nyleen Kay Marshall abduction was featured on the news in 2002 and there was no mention of any family members being killed. They showed an old clip of Nancy from when she was featured on Unsolved Mysteries several years earlier but they would have mentioned something if she died.

Click on the link and you can read the article. Also, there is a place (to the right) where you can download the news clip.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/1555573/detail.html

[dynoguy88]

Unsolved Mysteries never mentioned the Marshall's hometown, just that they were picnicking in the Elkhorn Mountains. But several links say they for sure lived in nearby Clancy, Montana.

Nyleen was at a National Park recreation area with her family in the Elkhorm Mountains, near her hometown of Clancy, Montana. She was playing with a group of children who briefly walked ahead of her. When they turned around, Nyleen had vanished. An unfamiliar man had been in the vicinity minutes before the disappeared

http://www.fredi.ch/files/f_02042801.htm

For those that don't already know, a poster calling herself "cattitude" on the Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community claimed to be Nyleen's cousin and posted the rumor about Nancy Marshall. Here was the direct quote and link -

I am amazed to find after all this time people are still talking about Nyleen. And better yet, talking about how to find her. Nyleen is my cousin. It feels nice to know that someone aside from us remembers...

I thought some of you might find this interesting. Nyleen was profiled on Unsolved Mysteries, if some of you saw that episode, you would have seen her mother. She was murdered in mexico while looking for a house for her family to move into as her husband Kim was being transferred. She was found raped, with her hands bound behind her back, hung with a mans belt, all jewelery and valuables missing, and the mexican police labeled it a suicide and refused us jurisdiction to investigate. Voila! A whole new unsolved mystery for you. Poor Kim, how much can the man take?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-11732

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Yeah, I'm not sure if the Marshalls were from Clancy, MT, but since Nyleen disappeared from there, Jefferson County would be the proper jurisdiction. That's who I e-mailed.

For the record, I really hope that the message posted on Websleuths was a sick hoax... like the radio DJ segment UM aired recently. I can't believe those guys didn't lose their jobs.

[DarkDante]

Well "Beanhead" Baxter is still on the air to this day out in California. Someone recently confronted him on the air about the UM segment and the fact that it still airs regularly on "Lifetime"

His compassionate response was "I don't see why, its not unsolved and its not a mystery" - The guy is so full of himself he makes me want to hurl.

[Dislimb]

"I don't see why, its not unsolved and its not a mystery"

I guess technically, that is true.

But yeah, I really don't even know what to think regarding the Nyleen case. To many twists and turns for my liking, especially this business with the mother allegedly being murdered in Mexico.

[dynoguy88]

I guess technically, that is true.

Yes, technically it is true but it's still an issue. By pulling that publicity stunt, he and his friends gave false hope to many family members of unsolved murders that thought it might be related to their respective cases. It's one thing to pull a publicity stunt if you're not hurting anyone but a false murder is just crossing the line. It's playing with people's emotions and the fact that these DJ's still don't seem to understand that almost makes me feel sorry for them. I wonder if they ever made a public apology.

Oh well, I seem to be getting off subject.

[Fletch]

Was there ever an update regarding Nancy Marshall?

[DarkDante]

^ Well if you mean besides the fact that members of this board found out from two reliable sources that she is indeed dead, then no sadly there has been no arrests made in her case.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

I have still not heard back from the sheriff from Jefferson County. I'm guessing that means, "No comment." ;)

[Awsi Dooger]

Yeah, I'm not sure if the Marshalls were from Clancy, MT, but since Nyleen disappeared from there, Jefferson County would be the proper jurisdiction. That's who I e-mailed.

Well, I checked Zabasearch and there is a 2006 listing for a Kim Marshall in Clancy. That was the name given for Nyleen's father by the Websleuths poster Cattitude when she (?) mentioned Nancy's death in Mexico.

If someone wants to write or call the presumed father/husband, the address is:

Kim Marshall
31 Vanek Road
Clancy, MT 59634
(406) 933-8246

I also found a weird and profane thread in which someone claims to have attended Nancy Marshall's funeral. It's difficult to tell if this is legit. He gives specifics about Nancy's murder, but they are the same ones from the websleuths thread earlier in 2006. However, on the third and last page he gives a specific date of her death, July 26, 1996. That would be two years later than the information crystaldawn received from a source, I believe at doenetwork. He also says the family became close with John Walsh and his family, which I have not heard elsewhere but makes some sense.

I'll caution that this is anything but a mature thread. I came across it on a Google search and have no idea what type of website this is.

http://theused.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/114605667/m/1981064814

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Not it. I'm totally curious, but I don't feel comfortable saying, "Hi. Is your dead wife home?"

[microeconomia]

At the same websleuths crime sleuthing community web page there are some guys who claim,that Nyleen could be a girl on myspace, going by the name of Kay in Dane County Wisconsin. After that, they affirm they find resemblances between the girl´s myspace photos and the charley project´s age progressed photo (like the same dimples same smile same shaped head, etc). The girl is 28 years old, the same as Nyleen´s if she is still alive. Here is the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11732&page=3&pp=25

[dynoguy88]

Hmm....that's interesting. If you compare Nyleen's age progressed photo with Kay's My Space photos, there is a definite resemblence. But it could just be a coincidence.

Nevertheless, I'm glad one poster called the national center for missing and exploited children hotline to report just in case. Thanks for that link. We'll have to keep checking in out until we get another update.

[Dislimb]

I don't think the broad on MySpace looks anything like her at all. But then again, that's just me.

[dynoguy88]

I don't think the broad on MySpace looks anything like her at all. But then again, that's just me.

I thought that at first when I saw the front page photo. But when I clicked on her photo album page (you have to sign up for a my space page to view them) and saw the pictures of her with her hair down, she looks very much like Nyleen's computer aged picture. Same dimples, same facial structure.

Again, it's probably just a HUGE coincidence that this girl looks so much like Nyleen and is the same age. But it's still interesting.

[Mystery Lover]

What I noticed is that Nyleen had big brown eyes. But the girl on MySpace has blue eyes. Yeah they could be colored contacts... but I didn't think many people did that.

[Tap Dancer]

After all these years I think she's probably dead. :(

[LooksLikeCRicci]

I don't think it's her. It's a nice thought, but I just don't think it's her. ALTHOUGH... anyone have a MySpace account that would be willing to ask her?

I'm just sayin'.....

[DarkDante]

Well since I started this post around two years ago I have done a turnaround on this case and probably now believe that Nyleen Kay Marshall is in fact dead. I've watched the case about a half dozen times in the past two years and have begun to seriously question the amount of credence I give to the letter which serves really as the only glimmer of hope that Nyleen is still alive.

The letter apparently reveals information that was not released to the general public at the time. I've always insisted that the letter must contain a description of the clothing Nyleen was wearing the day she went missing because that information HAS NEVER been released anywhere. Not on UM, Not on "Doe Network", nowhere will you find a description of how Nyleen was dressed on the day she vanished and I'm certain this is no accident.

The problem I have with the letter being credible at this point is that the person who wrote the letter may have very well abducted Nyleen Kay Marshall from the campground but its is very probable now in my opinion that he killed her soon afterwards. I find it hard to believe someone with that amount of perverse intentions would want to have a healthy relationship with a child leaving me to believe the only reason he would've kept her around for an extended period of time was so that he could keep reliving his fantasies with her.

I think though at some point after she was abducted her captor murdered her because she had probably become a burden on him. There was a wide search for Nyleen Kay Marshall after she vanished and I'm sure in the eyes of her abductor she'd be better off dead than alive as its easier to bury a body than it is to hide a child.

Its possible the abductor felt extreme guilt at his actions after the fact and therefore composed those letters as a way of dealing with this sense of guilt. I am aware that this was a case of a "missing child" and in these cases very little is leaked to the general public to protect the child but the leads in this case seem to be very thin:

There was a possible sighting of Marshall in a restaurant in Janesville, Wisconsin (no details have ever been released about this sighting leading me to question how credible this is)

Apparently Nancy Marshall towards the end of her life believed Nyleen's trail lead down to Mexico of all places but I don't know how that ties in.

I don't know gang, After taking another look at the evidence in this case along with a little bit of profiling - I'm finding it harder and harder to believe Nyleen is alive.

[Fletch]

Apparently Nancy Marshall towards the end of her life believed Nyleen's trail lead down to Mexico of all places but I don't know how that ties in.


Was the rumored "death" of Nancy Marshall in Mexico ever confirmed?

[wiseguy182]

Well since I started this post around two years ago I have done a turnaround on this case and probably now believe that Nyleen Kay Marshall is in fact dead. I've watched the case about a half dozen times in the past two years and have begun to seriously question the amount of credence I give to the letter which serves really as the only glimmer of hope that Nyleen is still alive.

The letter apparently reveals information that was not released to the general public at the time. I've always insisted that the letter must contain a description of the clothing Nyleen was wearing the day she went missing because that information HAS NEVER been released anywhere. Not on UM, Not on "Doe Network", nowhere will you find a description of how Nyleen was dressed on the day she vanished and I'm certain this is no accident.

The problem I have with the letter being credible at this point is that the person who wrote the letter may have very well abducted Nyleen Kay Marshall from the campground but its is very probable now in my opinion that he killed her soon afterwards. I find it hard to believe someone with that amount of perverse intentions would want to have a healthy relationship with a child leaving me to believe the only reason he would've kept her around for an extended period of time was so that he could keep reliving his fantasies with her.

I think though at some point after she was abducted her captor murdered her because she had probably become a burden on him. There was a wide search for Nyleen Kay Marshall after she vanished and I'm sure in the eyes of her abductor she'd be better off dead than alive as its easier to bury a body than it is to hide a child.

Its possible the abductor felt extreme guilt at his actions after the fact and therefore composed those letters as a way of dealing with this sense of guilt. I am aware that this was a case of a "missing child" and in these cases very little is leaked to the general public to protect the child but the leads in this case seem to be very thin:

There was a possible sighting of Marshall in a restaurant in Janesville, Wisconsin (no details have ever been released about this sighting leading me to question how credible this is)

Apparently Nancy Marshall towards the end of her life believed Nyleen's trail lead down to Mexico of all places but I don't know how that ties in.

I don't know gang, After taking another look at the evidence in this case along with a little bit of profiling - I'm finding it harder and harder to believe Nyleen is alive.

I agree that Nyleen probably isn't alive. The more time passes, the lesser the odds get that she is alive. I think the adbuction happened in 1981 if I'm correct.

I'm curious about that Janesville, Wisconsin sighting. Weren't the letters mailed from Madison, Wisconsin? Perhaps this is credible, tough to tell without more info on the case.

While I want all of the crimials profiled on UM to get caught, the adbuctor(s) of Nyleen are at the very top of the list I want to get caught. I'm not sure if this has ever been mentioned on the forum, but one of the letters is very, VERY sick. While I was watching the segment I paused it when it showed the letter, and I could make out most of it. It was probably the most disgusting thing I've ever read, so disgusting it makes me sick to just think about it, and I don't know if I'd even be allowed to mention here what it said.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Apparently Nancy Marshall towards the end of her life believed Nyleen's trail lead down to Mexico of all places but I don't know how that ties in.


Wow. This is totally off topic, but has anyone else seen "The Vanishing," with Kiefer Sutherland and Sandra Bullock? The statement that Nancy Marshall went down to Mexico to find Nyleen reminds me of that movie... how creepy.

I always wondered what Nancy Marshall was doing in Mexico. I just assumed she was vacationing and was tragically murdered.

[Awsi Dooger]

The poster on Webslueths wrote Nancy Marshall was murdered in Mexico while there to house hunt since her husband Kim was being transferred.

BTW, I wrote to the major nearby paper a few weeks ago asking if they had run any stories on Nancy Marshall's death, or if they could provide any details, but they ignored the correspondence.

[DarkDante]

I could've sworn that the Marshall's relocation at the time had something to do with the search for their missing child. Perhaps I'm wrong I dunno.

Fletch, I believe one of the sources we checked into on this board was the police department investigating the Nyleen Kay Marshall case and I believe crystaldawn got in contact with them and they confirmed to her that sadly Nancy Marshall is indeed dead.

[crystaldawn]

Fletch, I believe one of the sources we checked into on this board was the police department investigating the Nyleen Kay Marshall case and I believe crystaldawn got in contact with them and they confirmed to her that sadly Nancy Marshall is indeed dead.

I contacted someone I knew from doe network. They were able to ask their contact in LE and they confirmed that Nancy Marshall had died but wouldn't divulge any other details. A poster on websleuths said she was a cousin of the Marshall's and gave the initial details of Nancy's murder in Mexico although the Mexican police supposedly ruled it a suicide.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

A poster on websleuths said she was a cousin of the Marshall's and gave the initial details of Nancy's murder in Mexico although the Mexican police supposedly ruled it a suicide.

You had shared some of this information with us on the boards before, CD. Unless I'm mistaken, weren't her hands bound behind her back kinda Cindy James-style? I'll have to search the forum because I don't remember what other information was revealed, but I want to say that her death sounded NOTHING like a suicide.

[dynoguy88]

I believe someone here also contacted the sherrif's department in Jefferson County to ask whether the rumor of Nancy Marshall's death were true, and the reply was yes, unfortunately.

It's incredibly tragic to me that not only Nyleen's mother but the mothers of Tara Calico and Tammy Leppert ALL went to their graves without ever finding out what TRULY happened to their daughters. :(

[wiseguy182]

Huh. I had heard that the mothers of Nyleen and Tara Calico had died, but the death of Tammy Lynn Leppert's mother is news to me.

You guys and gals do great investigative work.;)

[crystaldawn]

You had shared some of this information with us on the boards before, CD. Unless I'm mistaken, weren't her hands bound behind her back kinda Cindy James-style? I'll have to search the forum because I don't remember what other information was revealed, but I want to say that her death sounded NOTHING like a suicide.

Here is a thread concerning Nancy's death:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=174043&highlight=nancy+marshall

Here is what Nancy's cousin said about her death on Websleuths:

"She was murdered in mexico while looking for a house for her family to move into as her husband Kim was being transferred. She was found raped, with her hands bound behind her back, hung with a mans belt, all jewelery and valuables missing, and the mexican police labeled it a suicide and refused us jurisdiction to investigate."

[Tap Dancer]

I had heard that the mothers of Nyleen and Tara Calico had died, but the death of Tammy Lynn Leppert's mother is news to me.
http://findcarrie.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=missinga&action=display&num=1094843092

MOTHER DIES WITHOUT AN ANSWER TO MYSTERY OF MISSING DAUGHTER
by Billy Cox
Florida Today
Oct 5, 1995

Modeling Agent, Linda Curtis, died early Wednesday morning without resolving her greatest sorrow -- the fate of her daughter.

Curtis, 54, passed away at Florida Hospital in Orlando, following a blood infection she contracted over the weekend. She had been diagnosed as terminally ill months ago from kidney and liver failure.

"We kept her going through artificial means for as long as we could. Those were her wishes," said photographer Wing Flanagan, her longtime partner, "Her heart just gave out."

A Cocoa native, Curtis attained nationsl prominence in the 1980s for coaching so many girls to victory in beauty pageants. In 1983, however, her life turned upside down with the disappearance of her 18-year0old daughter, Tami Lynn Leppert.

Leppert, a model and aspiring actress, vanished without a trace from Cocoa Beach, where she was last seen near the Glass Bank. Curtis moved to Orlando shortly thereafter.

"Unsolved Mysteries" solicited leads nationwide in 1992, but repeated showings of the Leppert episode produced dead ends. Curtis made a final public appeal for help in Florida Today three weeks ago.

Funeral arrangements were not available Wednesday.

[Gangreen]

maybe it would be a good idea for someone to contact the girl on myspace?

[mozartpc27]

I just saw this case, finally, for the first time. This poor family has been through so much, and my heart really goes out to them.

In viewing the segment, I think the girl was abducted, and likely killed shortly thereafter. Even without reading this entire thread (I've read part of it before, and skimmed much of it before posting), and without seeing the entirety of the letters written by this person, I feel fairly confident that whoever it was was a nutjob, not the perpetrator. If it was the perpetrator, I think the girl was long dead when the letters were written. The content of the letters sounded like someone who was living out/enacting a fantasy by imagining various things he did to the girl and the ways they interacted, but without providing much in the way of specific information, as other have said.

The other possibility is that she either 1) drowned or 2) wandered off and died of exposure, just like Michael Henley. Both possibilities seem strong to me, until one takes into account the eyewitness accounts. I normally don't invest much in eyewitness accounts, but I got the impression that the girls who claimed to see Nyleen with the man both knew Nyleen by name (i.e., had some personal relationship with her, however fleeting) and were not lying about seeing her with a man (why would they make that up, especially the weird "chase the shadow" bit). Unfortunately, they don't provide nearly enough information to solve the case (then again, I don't think most eyewitnesses do, even if they think they do), but I think they provide good information about what most likely happened to little Nyleen.

I originally thought, as the segment explained she was playing near a "shallow creek," that she had simply fallen in and had been washed far enough down streak that it was deep enough where she could ge tcaught on something and remain under the surface of the water. It's an easy thing to have happen. However, like I said, I regard the general statements that she was seen with a man playing this shadow game as very credible, precisely because they make no claim as to who the man was, what he looked like, etc., just that he existed and showed an interest in Nyleen. I'm reasonably certain whoever this was took her and killed her and sadly, after all this time, I doubt it will ever be solved. This guy looks to have gotten away with the perfect crime.

Remind me never to go camping in Montana.

[microeconomia]

In the websleuths webpage, there is a recent development concerning the theory that Nyleen could be one girl from MySpace(the girl's name at that site is Kay): On April 14th 2007, someone by the name of Mindy left her a comment and referred to her as "Nyleen" followed by (haha). Then on April 15th. Kay posted on Mindy's page: "From you secret friend Nyleen. LOL". The new "theory" is that the MySpace girl was contacted by LE or the NCFMEC and then told her acquaintances about it, and then they thought it was funny and/or weird that anyone would think that, so her friend Mindy (as a sort of joke), called her Nyleen. Here is the link:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11732&page=4

[crystaldawn]

In the websleuths webpage, there is a recent development concerning the theory that Nyleen could be one girl from MySpace(the girl's name at that site is Kay): On April 14th 2007, someone by the name of Mindy left her a comment and referred to her as "Nyleen" followed by (haha). Then on April 15th. Kay posted on Mindy's page: "From you secret friend Nyleen. LOL". The new "theory" is that the MySpace girl was contacted by LE or the NCFMEC and then told her acquaintances about it, and then they thought it was funny and/or weird that anyone would think that, so her friend Mindy (as a sort of joke), called her Nyleen. Here is the link:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11732&page=4


By reading that it sounds like one of the posters contacted the girl on myspace and LE did contact her but she isn't Nyleen.

I was going to ask you microeconomia since you're in Mexico if you could find anything out about Nyleen's mother who was murdered in Mexico. Well police ruled it a suicide but I believe she was beaten, raped and her hands were bound. She was in Mexico looking for a house as they were planning to move. Her name was Nancy Marshall. It was several years ago and I know its a longshot but I thought I'd ask.

[microeconomia]

I was going to ask you microeconomia since you're in Mexico if you could find anything out about Nyleen's mother who was murdered in Mexico. Well police ruled it a suicide but I believe she was beaten, raped and her hands were bound. She was in Mexico looking for a house as they were planning to move. Her name was Nancy Marshall. It was several years ago and I know its a longshot but I thought I'd ask.

Yes, I will try to find new information concerning Nancy Marshall's horrible murder, although the crime took place in 1996 (as far as I know), and I really don't know where in Mexico. For me it's unexplicable why some websites speak of Nancy as still alive and well, and in active search for her missing daughter, like the channel 3000 page, with a July 2002 date, several years after Nancy's murder.

[justins5256]

In viewing the segment, I think the girl was abducted, and likely killed shortly thereafter. Even without reading this entire thread (I've read part of it before, and skimmed much of it before posting), and without seeing the entirety of the letters written by this person, I feel fairly confident that whoever it was was a nutjob, not the perpetrator. If it was the perpetrator, I think the girl was long dead when the letters were written. The content of the letters sounded like someone who was living out/enacting a fantasy by imagining various things he did to the girl and the ways they interacted, but without providing much in the way of specific information, as other have said.


I don't think we can or should dismiss the letter this easily. In cases such as this I would imagine there are all sorts of false/erroneous leads. The fact that UM and the police were backing this letter and presenting it to the public makes me think that there must have been some information in it that led them to believe it was authentic. We were only shown excerpts of the letter on UM but I'm sure there was a lot more to it that we didn't see. Also, there were sightings of Nyleen in a few of the places the author mentioned in the letter. I know eyewitness sightings aren't reliable and this has been debated on here in the past, but if we are assuming that Nyleen is dead, then these sightings would have to all be mistaken and it would have to be a coincidence that they happened to correspond to points mentioned in the letter. Another thing: the letter was received two years after Nyleen's disappearance. The internet wasn't prevalent then. I find it hard to believe that some crackpot would hear about the case in 1983 and then decide to write to the authorities about it two years after the fact. Again, just playing devil's advocate...

[crystaldawn]

For me it's unexplicable why some websites speak of Nancy as still alive and well, and in active search for her missing daughter, like the channel 3000 page, with a July 2002 date, several years after Nancy's murder.

Well I wonder if the Marshall's had possibly moved out of the area and the media had lost track of them. Plus the fact that Nancy was killed outside the U.S. makes me wonder if maybe these news organizations don't even know she's deceased. Surely that would be newsworthy to them, a missing persons case with an unbelievably tragic update, and there would be some articles out there concerning it but as far as I know there are none.

[wiseguy182]

I could be wrong, but I think I've read on this forum that one of the most credible sightings came from the Madison, Wisconsin area, which is where the letter(s) were mailed from.

While I do believe the letters are probably authentic, I don't believe everything the letter writer says. For example, he talks about traveling with her all over the world. I doubt an abductor would risk being seen with the abductee by so many people in so many areas. Too risky that someone somewhere would pick up on it. He would also run the risk of Nyleen doing something like Antoinette Cayedito did by dropping a letter. Granted Nyleen was younger and I don't think she was old enough to write when she was abducted, but she could blurt out in public what was going on, and if the adbucter takes her and runs, then people in the area would know something was up.

[mozartpc27]

I could be wrong, but I think I've read on this forum that one of the most credible sightings came from the Madison, Wisconsin area, which is where the letter(s) were mailed from.

While I do believe the letters are probably authentic, I don't believe everything the letter writer says. For example, he talks about traveling with her all over the world. I doubt an abductor would risk being seen with the abductee by so many people in so many areas. Too risky that someone somewhere would pick up on it. He would also run the risk of Nyleen doing something like Antoinette Cayedito did by dropping a letter. Granted Nyleen was younger and I don't think she was old enough to write when she was abducted, but she could blurt out in public what was going on, and if the adbucter takes her and runs, then people in the area would know something was up.

Though I am very skeptical of the letter writer, I would think one's chances of not getting caught would be better if you stayed on the move. What are the chances that, given one fleeting glance, anyone is going to conect one cute little girl with a missing little girl from Montana? Especially in, say, Europe?

And then, after not too much time has passed, it will be easy for her to go unrecognized by total strangers, because she will no longer look anything like pictures taken of her by her family, because she is growing. That's an advantage all child abductors have who intend on keeping the kids they take alive indefinitely --- the younger the kid, the more quickly they grow to look so different from the time when they were taken that it would become impossible for average people having seen a face on a poster once to recognize them. I would think even family members would have trouble recongizing a child they last saw at a very young age who grew.

That said, I still think Nyleen has, sadly, been dead since the day she disappeared.

[justins5256]

I thought this was kind of sad, but I'm sure some posters here will eat this up and take it as gospel. There is a man who is claiming that the abduction of Nyleen Kay Marshall was a government conspiracy. :rolleyes:

Journey Toward Trouble / Capitol suspect: average child, anguished adult
Newsday (Melville, NY)
July 31, 1998
Author: Stephanie Saul. STAFF CORRESPONDENT
Estimated printed pages: 8

Valmeyer, Ill. - On the small Weston homestead here in the Mississippi River bottom, surrounded by acres of corn and soybeans, accused Capitol gunman Rusty Weston felt safer than anywhere else, enveloped in the warmth of his extended family.
The 41-year-old bachelor had retreated here for most of the past two years, following his release from a Montana psychiatric hospital. Once, in May, Weston tried to return to the austere Montana miner's cabin where he'd lived alone for years, but the mountain shack frightened him.

Land mines had been planted on his property, he imagined. He wrote the federal government to complain, according to an FBI affidavit released last week. Then, fearful of the perceived danger, he packed up and came back to the green shingle house in Illinois, home to Mom, Dad, and Grandma, who lives next door. It was June 15.

"I think he was afraid to go back to Montana," said his sister, April Callahan, recalling the weeks before Weston allegedly shattered the security of the U.S. Capitol, murdering two policemen.

In the week since Capitol Police officers Jacob Chestnut and John Gibson were killed, two pictures have emerged of the alleged gunman. First, the well-disciplined, but average and overweight child of working-class parents who grew up in this rural community. Later, the troubled bachelor who couldn't hold a job, who lived reclusively in a Montana cabin with no plumbing, who imagined life-threatening dangers lurking in innocuous places - from his parents' cable television system to the light on a distant porch.

For those who knew Rusty Weston as a child, Rusty Weston, the man, seems unfathomable.

"To most of the people around here this just seems impossible," said Robert Heavner, Weston's former agriculture teacher, who also drove the boy's school bus for 10 years. Like many others he remembers Rusty Weston as a quiet and well-disciplined boy, never a trouble-maker.

Born Dec. 28, 1956, Russell Eugene Weston Jr. was the second of two children of Russell Eugene Weston and his wife, Arbah Jo Weston. The Westons lived modestly on a couple of acres carved out of the farmland, on a two-lane road. The setting is so rural it is hard to imagine that St. Louis is only 30 minutes north.

The elder Weston worked as a dispatcher at an A&P warehouse in nearby Sauget. The Westons were known as nice country people who regularly went to church.

His parents remember Rusty as a loving, quiet and sensitive child.

"I remember when Jack Kennedy was shot," Russell Weston reminisced this week. "Rusty was watching the television and crying. His sister made fun because he was crying, and he said he was crying because John-John and his sister didn't have a daddy any more."

Rusty also had a particular talent. If something was broken, he could fix it, his parents said, recalling an incident when a relative handed him a broken watch. Minutes later the 5-year-old Rusty returned it, repaired.

When he started school, he was sent into Valmeyer, the town of about 1,000 people 10 miles away from his rural home. His class contained only 60 pupils, but even in that small universe, Rusty Weston did little to distinguish himself. Many of his classmates struggled this week to remember anything about him.

Neither a musician nor an athlete, Weston participated in few extracurricular activities, joining Boy Scouts and Future Farmers of America. For one year he was on the staff of the school newspaper, The Booster.

Jim Early, the head of his Boy Scout troop, remembers little about Weston except that he was not one of the troublemakers. But one thing everyone recalls was his size. Throughout his youth Weston was short and severely overweight.

"The fact is, I was his school bus driver from 1965 to 1974," said Heavner, who taught Weston agriculture and directed the local chapter of Future Farmers of America, one of the few organizations Weston joined. "I had him in class during four years of high school. He was a very average person. He was never a discipline problem. He was never an outstanding student. He was a C student, maybe a B minus student. He didn't have any enemies. He didn't have many close friends."

For his FFA project Weston planted a small garden in his parents' yard, Heavner said.

As his years at Valmeyer High School drew to a close, Weston was wearing his sandy hair long and his clothes baggy, the style of the '60s adopted a few years late in out-of-the-way Valmeyer.

Classmate Gary Baum remembered Weston as associating with what was known as the "drug crowd," a group that experimented with marijuana. Baum also described Weston as withdrawn, a behavior that psychiatrists say is sometimes a symptom of schizophrenia. In Weston's high school yearbook, still stowed on a bookshelf in his room here, there is a clue that his fantasies had already begun by the time he was graduated. In an inscription one classmate noted Weston's ability to tell "tall tales."

But it wasn't until a little later, after high school, that his parents noticed Rusty's tendency toward grandiose delusions. "He said his IQ was so high that they couldn't even measure it," the elder Weston remembered. "He said he was supposed to be the valedictorian of his class, but he gave it to another guy who wanted it because his father had been valedictorian. I said, 'Rusty, I looked at your report cards, and that's just not true.' "

His parents, unaware of the symptoms of mental illness, dismissed the odd behavior. And in many other ways Weston seemed normal. Many adolescents of his generation were heading west to try communal living. Shortly after graduating from high school, Weston, too, left one rural landscape for another, trading the flat Mississippi River bottom land where he grew up for the mountainous terrain of Montana.

With a group of friends including his sister Weston moved to Clancy, Mont., about 10 miles south of Helena, eking out a living mining gold dust and working occasional odd jobs. They lived off the land, once eating a rattlesnake to survive. The 5-foot-6 Weston, who had weighed 250 pounds in high school, became gaunt. The group soon broke up, according to Weston's classmate Miguel Engbring, partly because of Rusty's odd behavior.

If friends found Weston difficult, so did employers. He had a hard time holding a job, according to his father, who said, "Rusty doesn't take instruction too well."

By the time Jefferson County Undersheriff Tim Campbell encountered Weston, he was living in an old cabin owned by 86-year-old Dorothy Cole. Weston paid no rent, but did odd jobs for Cole in exchange for living in the cabin, Campbell said. Following some disagreement, Cole decided to evict Weston from her cabin. Weston later claimed that Cole hit him over the head with her cane.

"He called in a complaint to the sheriff's office that the old lady had hit him with one of her canes," said Campbell, who went out to the cabin on Warm Springs Creek Road to investigate. "He had no visible marks or bruises, but he got very upset with me because I wouldn't arrest the old lady."

Dissatisfied with the results of his complaint against Cole, Weston began a letter-writing campaign to force the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office to arrest Cole. In addition to the governor's office, he began writing letters to the Helena Independent Record. He also sued Cole in 1986, but the case was eventually dismissed, a decision upheld by the Montana Supreme Court.

Once, when Campbell ran into Weston at a community meeting, he tried to engage Campbell in an argument over the case. "Eventually I walked away from him. He told me I should be watching my back . . . I just had enough contact with him to know that I didn't want to be around him unless I had somebody else with me," Campbell said.

Later, according to Campbell, Weston went on a radio talk show in Helena and accused the undersheriff of involvement in a highly-publicized case. Campbell, Weston claimed, had been responsible for the disappearance of a young child named Nyleen Marshall, an abduction that Weston claimed was part of a bizarre government conspiracy.

Campbell had investigated the child's disappearance from a family outing in 1983, a case that has never been solved. It's unclear whether the girl walked into the woods and perished or was abducted, Campbell said.

Visiting his parents back home in 1986, Weston decided to apply for disability for injuries he claimed to have sustained when Cole hit him with her cane. Instead, he was referred to a St. Louis psychiatrist, who diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia, according to his family. Weston was awarded Social Security Disability, or SSI.

He began spending winters in Valmeyer, returning to Montana in the summers, moving to a cabin his sister owned in Rimini, an old ghost town 17 miles south of Helena. His rustic old miner's cabin on Ten Mile Creek had an outhouse and was heated with a wood stove. Weston panned for gold dust and continued his compulsive letter writing, complaining to various federal agencies about everything from pollution to imagined land mines on his property.

Neighbors viewed Weston as reclusive and eccentric. "The neighbors talked about how he would walk up to their TV dish and talk to it, as if he believed he was being broadcast out the other end," said neighbor Phil Maynard. "I heard he was mentally off kilter and that he was taking medication and, when he wasn't, he would become a little agitated and hard to deal with."

Weston's former classmates got an inkling of how strange his behavior had become in 1994, when they invited him to his 20th high school reunion. "We got back this strange, angry reply from Rusty saying, `Don't ever contact me again,' " Baum said.

Weston's illness appeared to worsen in 1996, the year he was placed on a Secret Service watch list of potentially-dangerous individuals. Weston came to the attention of authorities as a result of three separate incidents.

On a trip to Washington he appeared at the CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., and spun a complex tale of intrigue for security officers.

Back in Valmeyer, visiting his parents, he complained to the Monroe County Sheriff's Office that President Bill Clinton had sent a Navy SEAL to assassinate him. The SEAL was lying in wait for him in a soybean field across from his parent's home, Weston told a sheriff's deputy.

"The guy was pretty matter-of-fact. If you didn't talk to him for a long time, you may have a tendency to believe what he was saying. It wasn't like he was all jittery and hyper and you'd say, `Man, there's something wrong with this guy,' " Sheriff Dan Kelley said.

"The deputy went over there and looked. No beans were knocked down. No footprints. Absolutely no physical evidence that anyone had been there," Kelley said.

That encounter prompted Kelley's office to notify the Secret Service. "Somewhere in the conversation with the deputy he mentioned Bill Clinton. If my memory serves me correctly, Clinton was supposed to be coming to St. Louis. I said, `We need to notify the Secret Service.' " Two agents came to the Weston's home to interview Rusty, his parents said.

Later that same year Weston was confined in the Montana State Hospital at Warm Springs, a psychiatric facility, after a judge ordered him committed, finding him to be either a danger to himself or others. Montana authorities would not reveal the reason why. Weston's parents believe his commitment was triggered when he went to a hospital with an infected arm, then became agitated.

He was discharged in December, 1996, with a plan that called for him to return to Illinois for treatment at an outpatient clinic, according to Ed Amberg, a spokesman for the state hospital.

Weston returned to his parent's home with two suitcases filled with documents, much of it correspondence with various federal agencies.

Following his Montana hospitalization he seemed much better. However, when the three medications he was taking ran out, Weston never sought further treatment.

When he kept busy running errands for his grandmother, chopping wood and gardening on the family's property, Rusty seemed almost normal, his parents said. Other times the delusions returned - the Navy SEAL, the bombs in his parents' cable television system, the land mines.

In the evening, in his blue-carpeted room with his big-screen TV, his short-wave radio and his typewriter, Weston continued his letter-writing and kept a detailed diary.

His parents lived on edge, worrying about Weston's strange behavior. They urged him to renew his medications. But when he was confronted, Weston became agitated and argued that he wasn't ill. His parents were fearful of arguing with him.

"There's a fine line that you have to travel. And you know what, if you go over that line, it makes him angry," Russell Weston Sr. told reporters.

The elder Weston apaprently crossed that line on July 23, the day he ordered Rusty Weston to leave. His grandmother, Lillie, had asked Rusty to "thin" the more than 25 feral cats living on the property.

But Russell Weston Sr., who considered some of the cats his pets, became angry when he found them in the garbage, shot dead with a .20-gauge shotgun. "We've put up with a lot, but cruelty to animals is something I couldn't take," Weston said. "I was steamed. I said, `I'll give you 10 days to leave.' "

Weston borrowed $50 from his grandmother, sadly telling her, "I have no home." Then he headed on his way in his red Chevrolet pickup.

Instead of heading west to his Montana cabin, as his father had expected, the troubled Weston allegedly drove east to Washington and shot his way through a Capitol security checkpoint.
Caption:
1) AP Photo- Russell Weston Jr. after arrest on drug possession
Edition: ALL EDITIONS
Section: NEWS
Page: A06
Index Terms: RUSSELL WESTON JR.SHOOTING.CAPITOL BUILDING.DEATH.PROFILE.FAMILY.BEHAVIOR.LIFESTYLE.GUNS.
Copyright (c) 1998 Newsday, Inc.
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[LooksLikeCRicci]

Thanks for posting that article, Justin.

I'm curious, though: What would be the conspiracy? What would the abduction of Nyleen have proved?

[wiseguy182]

I'm curious, though: What would be the conspiracy? What would the abduction of Nyleen have proved?

That's what I thought.

In watching the segment, I got the impression that the adbuctor picked up on the fact that the outdoor gathering was a family reunion/picnic, and tried to blend in the crowd, perhaps as a little known relative, which wouldn't be that hard to do in a sense. The last family reunion I was at, I didn't know half the people at all.

[Eire]

Thanks for posting that article, Justin.

I'm curious, though: What would be the conspiracy? What would the abduction of Nyleen have proved?

After reading the article, it seems that he's one of the people who believes that goverment officials gather together at some secret location to molest children. Some people involved in the Johnny Gosh case believe the same thing. There's supposedly a location in California where every one from the president to the vice president of Outer Mongolia get together to participate in all sorts of crazy stuff. I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but it's something grove. Pretty weird conspiracy theory if you ask me.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Huh. Interesting. Thanks for the insight.

[Eire]

No problem. I only wish I could have been more insightful, you know, like actually remembering the name of the place I was talking about. :) I swear, Bachelor's level Psych courses are designed to make us need psychologists when we're done. ;)

Here's a blog on the whole Franklin mess:
http://www.theseminal.com/2007/03/26/golden-oldies/

Google The Franklin Cover-up and you'll have hours of reading at your fingertips. It's interesting in that train wreck sort of way.

[spark19]

Unfortunately with the sightings of Nyleen, I just can't help but think about that girl whom claimed to be the Nixon girl whom had disappeared from New York months before, and even looked quite a bit like her...and yet Nixon had been murdered shortly after being abducted and buried very close to her home...

[CanadianUMFan]

Unfortunately, I cannot agree that Nyleen Marshall is still alive. Although I agree that she would have little to no memory of the kidnapping and previous life, I do believe that whoever kidnapped Nyleen more than likely murdered her as well. The sightings of Nyleen are hard to buy into because almost every missing persons case that goes on for longer than a few days will have sightings of the missing person. Whether it's people who are mistaken or just trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame, the sightings usually don't pan out. While the letters sent to the FBI provide a lot of detail and seem like the real deal, you can't help but think about all of the crazy f*cks out there that like to pull a stunt like that. I believe that it's just as probable that Nyleen was killed within 72 hours of her abduction as it is that she is alive now.

I just watched this segment today and plan on doing so again in a few minutes when it is rerun for a second time. I think that the above poster has hit the nail on the head. While cases like Steven Staynor and Elizabeth Smart always provide hope in such situations, they are sadly the exception to the rule by a wide margin. My first instinct is that the letter-writer in this Nyleen Marshall case is playing a cruel joke and that Nyleen likely died soon after she went missing. On the UM segment, it was mentioned that this letter-writer also made several phone calls. Did this individual continue to contact the Marshalls and/or the authorities after the UM segment orginally aired in 1990 or did contact just cease? BTW, I was very sad to read that Nyleen's mother passed away as well some time ago and under what appears to be horrible circumstances.

[CanadianUMFan]

There was one interesting point that was mentioned at the end of the UM segment that hasn't been mentioned in this thread. Nyleen's uncle believed that he observed two adults (one male and one female) from "Wanted" posters for another child abduction at Nyleen's crime scene amongst the crowd gathered there afterwards (when the police et al. had arrived). Does anyone know what became of this "clue"? UM showed the sketches of these two individuals at or near the end of the segment about Nyleen.

[DarkDante]

^ Well as some of you know I've probably researched this case more than any of the other UM segments and I've never been able to find really any mention of this "couple" as they pertain to Nyleen Kay Marshall except what was aired on UM. I remember UM said they were wanted for a previous child abduction - I dunno maybe they were captured a few years later and it was found they had nothing to do with Nyleen Kay Marshall and thats why there has been no mention of them since? - I dunno

Its also important to note that this whole theory came from Marshall's uncle who said he saw these two people shortly after Nyleen vanished. We can assume her uncle (like her whole family) were experiencing a great deal of stress and panic in the time following the disappearance so I personally find it very hard to believe that he definitively saw these two kidnappers and then years later (from how UM makes it sound) the family sits down to look at the latest cache of sketches of child abductors and he picks out these two kidnappers and says "I'm sure I saw them right after Nyleen vanished".

Its too convoluted and unbelievable for me to attach any credence to it. Still, to this day I can't help but wonder what happened to Nyleen? - Sadly I don't think we ever will know the whole story about this case.

[crystaldawn]

There was one interesting point that was mentioned at the end of the UM segment that hasn't been mentioned in this thread. Nyleen's uncle believed that he observed two adults (one male and one female) from "Wanted" posters for another child abduction at Nyleen's crime scene amongst the crowd gathered there afterwards (when the police et al. had arrived). Does anyone know what became of this "clue"? UM showed the sketches of these two individuals at or near the end of the segment about Nyleen.

I'm not saying I believe this as it is kinda farfetched but there was some speculation that the composites of the man and girl could have possibly resembled Franklin Delano Floyd and Sharon Marshall. I do know that they traveled together while Sharon was growing up and I do think the composite sketch of the female seemed quite young. Interesting theory anyway.

[mysterymomma]

I don't think it's her. It's a nice thought, but I just don't think it's her. ALTHOUGH... anyone have a MySpace account that would be willing to ask her?

I'm just sayin'.....

I sent her a message. We'll see. Now I feel kinda bad.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

I'm not saying I believe this as it is kinda farfetched but there was some speculation that the composites of the man and girl could have possibly resembled Franklin Delano Floyd and Sharon Marshall. I do know that they traveled together while Sharon was growing up and I do think the composite sketch of the female seemed quite young. Interesting theory anyway.


Wow. Never heard that before. If that's the case, we're never going to find out what happened to little Nyleen... :(

[mhryvnak]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before, if it has been then just disregard. It appears Brian of brianspredictions.com did a reading on Nyleen Kay Marshall recently. Here's the link if you are interested: http://www.briansprediction.com/MISSING/publicr/378.htm

[kamy]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before, if it has been then just disregard. It appears Brian of brianspredictions.com did a reading on Nyleen Kay Marshall recently. Here's the link if you are interested: http://www.briansprediction.com/MISSING/publicr/378.htm


I read this, it's very intersting how he goes into detail with some cases such as "He's not dead...buried in the woods" etc. but with Nyleen's and the vast majority of missing people, he just gives a few clues such as "green vest" or something of the like that he wants others to peice together.
It's was interesting though. He's done "viewings" for quite a few UM alumni's.

[missysmama25]

i just instant messenged the girl with the myspace account and she says she dont think its her. then i wrote back saying what do u mean u dont think? then she wrote back saying its not me its not me.... so, i guess its not her or we will really never know... just thought id share..... thanks

[missysmama25]

i just instant messenged the girl with the myspace account and she says she dont think its her. then i wrote back saying what do u mean u dont think? then she wrote back saying its not me its not me.... so, i guess its not her or we will really never know... just thought id share..... thanks

[mhryvnak]

There is one up there for Antionette Cayditto (I probably butchered that spelling, sorry), that I found really interesting. It says she's alive and does not want to be found. Kind of off topic for Kay, but still interesting none-the-less. I'd be interested to see what one looks like for Tammy Leppert though.

[wiseguy182]

I checked out that link from a little while ago, but I couldn't make here or there of it. A bunch of scribblings that's tough to decipher, unless I'm missing something.

[kamy]

There is one up there for Antionette Cayditto (I probably butchered that spelling, sorry), that I found really interesting. It says she's alive and does not want to be found. Kind of off topic for Kay, but still interesting none-the-less. I'd be interested to see what one looks like for Tammy Leppert though.


Suzanne (tammy's sister) has requested an RV to be done and Brian said he would do it soon, and to check back in a few weeks. I spoke to Suzanne about it. That was late March, so hopefully we'll see something soon :)

A lot of his rv's contain his scribbles but there are brief descriptions underneath most of them. That's what I was saying about wishing he would elaborate on all of them, like he does on some of them.

[slasherman]

I could be wrong, but I think I've read on this forum that one of the most credible sightings came from the Madison, Wisconsin area, which is where the letter(s) were mailed from.

While I do believe the letters are probably authentic, I don't believe everything the letter writer says. For example, he talks about traveling with her all over the world. I doubt an abductor would risk being seen with the abductee by so many people in so many areas. Too risky that someone somewhere would pick up on it. He would also run the risk of Nyleen doing something like Antoinette Cayedito did by dropping a letter. Granted Nyleen was younger and I don't think she was old enough to write when she was abducted, but she could blurt out in public what was going on, and if the adbucter takes her and runs, then people in the area would know something was up.
I agree that the letter writer is lying and the letter is real. Maybe he had allready killed her when he wrote it so that police would look for a person alive not dead. And I find it hard to believe he had been travelling all over Europe with her, this is another way to have police confused. If indeed he kept her alive she would be in a secret room/cellar.
And when she is too old she would be killed and he would be hunting a new young girl. A girl too old is not interesting for a pedophile. I think you have to look at the JonBenét Ramsey case to understand how the killer thinks. If you look at the letter that killer wrote it was full of lies but you could see how the killer was thinking. I mean it's not many pedophile abductors who likes girl that is 4/6 years old and actually does the crime not only in his mind but in real life.
Here is the letter from the JonBenét Ramsey case:
"Mr. Ramsey.
Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We xx respect your bussinessbut not the country that it serves. At this time we have your daughter in our posession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early toarrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier delivery pickup of your daughter.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as Police, F.B.I., etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she dies. You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with Law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to out smart us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back. You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us John. Use that good southern common sense of yours.
It is up to you now John!
Victory!
S.B.T.C."


I have tried to highlight (with red) what I think is important in the letter. Everything else in the letter is bull**** just to buy time. His intention was to abduct JonBenet Ramsey but when he could not get her out of the cellar window in a briefcase, he killed and rape her there.

[Kianacao]

Yes. Nancy was murdered in Mexico City.

[Kianacao]

Awgi Dooger

you wrote:
"I found this today on another message board. I'll just paste it. On the immediately preceding post, this person claims to be Nyleen Kay Marshall's cousin so if true he would know something like this: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...203#post959203 "

This is indeed true. I am also a cousin to Nyleen. While I am not sure which one of our cousins wrote this (I just came onto these sites today), Nyleen's mother, Nancy, was murdered in Mexico City.

Does anyone have any new information on Nyleen?

[Mystery Lover]

Awgi Dooger

you wrote:
"I found this today on another message board. I'll just paste it. On the immediately preceding post, this person claims to be Nyleen Kay Marshall's cousin so if true he would know something like this: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...203#post959203 "

This is indeed true. I am also a cousin to Nyleen. While I am not sure which one of our cousins wrote this (I just came onto these sites today), Nyleen's mother, Nancy, was murdered in Mexico City.

Does anyone have any new information on Nyleen?


Hmmm I couldn't get that link to open. Do you know what it says Kianacao?

So since your a cousin of Nyleen... I have a few questions for you.

Can you give us any information about her disappearance that we may not know about?

Are the police still looking for her abducter?

Does anyone in your family think that she's still alive?

Oh and by the way... WELCOME!

[Kianacao]

Hmmm I couldn't get that link to open. Do you know what it says Kianacao?

So since your a cousin of Nyleen... I have a few questions for you.

Can you give us any information about her disappearance that we may not know about?

Are the police still looking for her abducter?

Does anyone in your family think that she's still alive?

Oh and by the way... WELCOME!

At this time, I do not know any additional information about Nyleen's disappearance than what you already have listed. I did want to confirm Nancy's death, for those of you who were unsure. The link lead to the post that has already been listed here. I cannot get to the link now either. I did contact the webslueth list when they wouldn't accept my email and notified them that I was a family member. I do not know why I cannot get to it now. It was the piece written by another cousin describing Nancy's death. Again, I am not sure which of our cousins wrote it. It was evidently written a few years ago.

Nancy was looking for a house in Mexico. Prior to that, they spent some time in Japan, where Kim was stationed; which is perhaps why the media lost touch with them.

It is my understanding (and I will have to verify) that the Marshalls lived in Spokane WA during the time of Nyleen's disappearance.

At the time of Nyleen's disappearance, our family was going through other drama as well, and we (the children) were shielded from Nyleen's disappearance quite a bit. shortly after, I became estranged from the family due to custody battles. In my adult life I have sought more information; but as you can imagine, many in the family do not wish to speak of it as it is quite painful, especially since Nancy's death.

Nancy herself had said that she thought Nyleen was dead. Whether this was a mother's intuition or a coping mechanism; I do not know. I think she still had hope---but... I think our family has conflicting ideas on whether or not Nyleen is alive. I think it is possible, but wish to remain open to any possibility. It has been a very long time, but there is still much emotion.

I have no idea if her case is still open. I was just running a search on her and came across these forums. I was suprised that people were still talking of her and greatful that she has not been forgotten. I never found closure and my family isn't one for talking about it. I will have to gather some information to see where to start...perhaps this forum can help with that, since some of you seem to know the case intimately.

I do want more answers. Nyleen was a sweet, sweet loving child. I will see what I can find.

Thank you.

[Kianacao]

I may be wrong, but it looks like websleuths has removed Nyleen's "Kay's" thread. Why would they do that?

[EDIT]
WAIT I found it!

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11732


here it is by 'Cattitude' two posts (2005):

"Amazing...

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I am amazed to find after all this time people are still talking about Nyleen. And better yet, talking about how to find her. Nyleen is my cousin. It feels nice to know that someone aside from us remembers... "

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"Oh, You may have been wondering...
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I thought some of you might find this interesting. Nyleen was profiled on Unsolved Mysteries, if some of you saw that episode, you would have seen her mother. She was murdered in mexico while looking for a house for her family to move into as her husband Kim was being transferred. She was found raped, with her hands bound behind her back, hung with a mans belt, all jewelery and valuables missing, and the mexican police labeled it a suicide and refused us jurisdiction to investigate. Voila! A whole new unsolved mystery for you. Poor Kim, how much can the man take? "

[LooksLikeCRicci]

As Nyleen is still listed on the Doe Network, I'm assuming the case is still open. I e-mailed the Jefferson County Police Department a year or two ago and heard nothing back. :( Maybe I'll have to draft another e-mail to see if I get anywhere...

KIANACAO-- Thank you for your insights. I'm sorry for your loss.

[Gman24]

I've done some research on this case and it turns out the UM segment may have been beneficial. After the airing, cops got a tip that Nyleen Kay Marshall was seen at a restaurant in Janesville, Wisconsin. However, the lead didn't pan out, and Nyleen is still missing.

[mphs95]

Hopefully, nuUM will show the segment and maybe can get more leads. This is one of the saddest cases out there. Even if she's dead, the family can get some closure.

[wiseguy182]

one of the letters says that he 'found her by the side of the road crying'. Yet that is not what the 2 other little girls said, nor is it the way UM depicted it: they show Nyleen in the picnic area and not crying.

[Mastermind]

If I seem to remember their was a composite of a man and woman as Kay's abductors.

That sort of gave me the idea that she was abducted by a couple potentially looking for a child to raise as there own.

If the letter is a hoax, then Kay could very much be alive and unaware of her situation.

[Dislimb]

This speculation is starting to make me parallel this case with that of Michael Henly Jr. There was widespread speculation that he was abducted and seen in a photo along with Tara Calico, but in reality his body was found a few years later. He had simply wandered off and died of exposure. This is definitely a possibility here, especially if the child had covered them self in something to try and keep warm. This would explain why searchers didn't find them. Anyone else agree? Many sickos write letters for "kicks," as Bill Wacker would say.

After watching this case again last night and reading up on it for several hours, I am now inclined to agree with this post. I don't believe she was ever kidnapped, but died from exposure and/or an animal attack of some sort and the search party simply did not find her remains. There have been so many cases over the years where adults have been missing and search parties have looked for them and not found them in the general area they went missing from only to turn up later. This was a four year old child who couldn't have been more than 3 feet tall and weighed no more than 40 pounds or so. Very easy to miss her. The letter writer and/or phone caller was simply a person playing a sick joke in my opinion.

[Blackout]

damn Nyleens own cousin came here????

[Mysteryphile]

After reading this the letter from the supposed ubductor...I don't think the person that kidnapped Nyleen and the letter writer are one in the same. The letter comes off to me as more of a...fantasy...that this guy is having. A fantasy of what it would be like to have a little girl.

The part about the investment home, def sounds like fantasy. Not a word of it rings true to my mind. I think the guy that wrote it is someone with a twisted mind/in need of help and not the perp.

[Blackout]

i think it was TracyLynn, a poster here:


Bumping this up in case anyone wants to read up on the Rizzo case.

This thread mentions wondering why the neighbors never mentioned hearing a woodchipper running, since they're loud, and the bone fragments are small and were suspected to have been put through such a device.

Well, I read an article that said among the items that the police confiscated from the back yard were tools (such as a saw and some kind of chopping instrument, I can't remember) and a garbage disposal.

If Leonard Rizzo used a garbage disposal instead of a woodchipper, that woud explain the larger bones, 3", and bags of human flesh.

When Helle Craft's husband put her through a woodchipper, he first froze her body, then chainsawed it into large pieces and put them through the chipper. That actually made it easier for the chipper to work and the pieces were small. I think the largest they found were a tooth and a piece of a fingernail.

I'm thinking that this might not have been an option for Rizzo, living in warm San Antonio. He probably deboned the body, resulting in the bags of human flesh. Then used another method, besides a woodchipper to reduce the bones.

The garbage disposal (not installed in the house) was taken from his yard as evidence. Using a garbage disposal in a murder is not without precedent. Ed Kemper used one when he tried to discard his mother's larynx. I think Gary Heidnik also used a garbage disposal, but I'm not positive.

[TracyLynnS]

i think it was TracyLynn, a poster here:

You think what was me?

Do you think I killed Nyleen or that I'm the letter writer or what?

[Blackout]

hmm

both?

[TracyLynnS]

hmm

both?

Wow. Seriously?

I've never been accused of a murder I didn't commit before. I kinda figured I'd be caught for the ones that I actually did do. Killing innocent women (monika rizzo) and children ain't my thing.

Did you know that Michigan doesn't have the death penalty? (I'm from Detroit.) And I never murdered anybody in Texas. They're executing women as frequently as they're executing men in that state. I sure wouldn't want to get caught committing murders in TX.

[Blackout]

the kid was from montana not texas

[TracyLynnS]

Monika Rizzo was from San Antonio. In the thread about her case, you said that I knew too many details about what happened and asked me what I was doing the day she disappeared and was presumed murdered.

When I first read it, I thought you were joking and I responded with a quirky remark. But now that I see you actually believe I could be involved in Nyleen's disappearance and possible murder, I realize that what you said to me in Monika's thread is an indirect accusation that I am really involved in her disappearance and likely murder.

[TracyLynnS]

Now I'm interested to see what everyone else here thinks.

Who thinks I'm guilty in Nyleen's case?

Who thinks I'm guilty in Monika Rizzo's case?

Who, like Blackout, thinks I'm involved in both?

[Blackout]

i think you were the Zodiac

[justins5256]

I think someone's been smoking wacky tobacky

[Mastermind]

i think you were the Zodiac

Let's find out... Can you recite The Miyako, Tracy?
Do you have a basement in Vallejo?
Do you have Paul Stine's driver's license?

:D

[TracyLynnS]

Let's find out... Can you recite The Miyako, Tracy?
Do you have a basement in Vallejo?
Do you have Paul Stine's driver's license?

:D

Well at least Mastermind is here to help me fight the "zodiac" charges. lol

Recite the Miyako? Nope, don't even know what it is.

Basement in Vallejo? No. Is Vallejo in California?

Paul Stine's driver's license? Nope. Don't have it, never had it, and don't know who Paul Stine is.

How am I doin on my polygraph so far? lol

[MegtheEgg86]

Tracy, the Board Member Who Knew Too Much. :lol: Just hope that no one finds you in a bathroom in Sorrento one day. ;)

[Blackout]

I think someone's been smoking wacky tobacky
guilty here

[TracyLynnS]

I think someone's been smoking wacky tobacky

Not guilty here. Toked my last on September 17, 1982.

[Blackout]

sad

[CuriousMind90]

Bump?

[Hambone2421]

This is such a sad, sad case. Nyleen was kidnapped and if the letter writer is to be believed as her captor, then she was also sexually abused. To make matters worse, her mother is later raped and murdered while looking for a home in Mexico, yet her death is ruled as a suicide.

What is everyone's opinion on the letter writer? Do you believe it to be a hoax or her actual kidnapper?

[Opal]

What is everyone's opinion on the letter writer? Do you believe it to be a hoax or her actual kidnapper?

I've always thought it was the actual kidnapper...but who knows? The letter writer in the Jay Cook/Tanya Van Cuylenborg case was recently proved to be a hoax, I believe.

[NPM12]

Kianacao, i would like to know which of my cousins you may be? I am also interested to know how you seem to know so much about my family. I am Nyleens brother.

[WishfulDreamer]

This is one of the most chilling segments UM ever did, in my opinion. The music at the beginning, the man in the jogging suit, the male/female composites of potential suspects, the phone booth in the dark, and finally, the letter. So disturbing. This doesn't seem like the Henley case to me (though it is mind boggling he got lost within 20 minutes). They had THOUSANDS of searchers comb the woods with no trace. I think animals would have scattered the body eventually if she had been lost in the woods and died of exposure, or she would have eventually been found in the creek. It's like the Amy Bechtel case to quote a police officer from that investigation "We should have found her if she was there. It's a possibility, but I don't think she is." Because of the numerous phone calls and letters, I've been inclined to believe the abductor wrote the letter, but you never know. I think she was certainly abducted and certainly hope she is alive.

[Clockworkhigh]

For starters, yes I believe she was abducted and I lean on the side that the letter from the abductor is legit. Also, you have to remember just how foggy your memory would be at 4 years old. Think about it, Nyleen if she is alive would think that is her father! She really would. My earliest memory is from December 1983 when I was three and a half years old. I met Santa Claus at my Aunt's house. That was a pretty dramatic event having old St. Nick come walking right through the front door. I remember that, but I don't remember that particular Christmas because things were probably just normal. So really, to remember things that happened when you were 3, 4, 5 years old it has to be very dramatic - good or bad. So I doubt Nyleen even remembers the first time she met her abductor.

Secondly, I doubt she was killed by a mountain lion. Wasn't there something mentioned in the segment how there was almost like there was no trace of her being there in the first place? That makes me think that the search dogs wouldn't have come up with a scent of her either. And yes, people have made mistakes in searches, even the police. Think about Mike Reimer being found after all those years or even Ruby and (the guy's name escapes me) being found just metres from where their car was flipped. But since she was no more than a football length away from the adults, and scattered with the kids, I have a hard time believing no one would have detected a mountain lion lurking around. A couple eyewitnesses said they saw a man, not a lion, which ties into the letters as well.

Lastly, people wondering why all the kids would be away from the adults and not being watched it's simple - this was 1983. I was born in 1980, I am not a geezer by any means but the things my parents (and EVERYONE'S parents) gave us a free pass for would make a parent of today get thrown in jail. How many of us can recount dozens of times in the 1980s when our parents told the "kids" to go play in the yard, or at the school, etc. while the adults talk and they didn't think anything about it, neither did we. Or whose mother told them to go wait in the car while she finishes grocery shopping because us kids were driving her nuts?

The paranoia surrounding children didn't exist so much in 1983, nor did it need to. What Nyleen's parents did was the exact same thing every parent did then. What could possibly happen to a large group of kids in the middle of the woods when they are within earshot of the parents? So I am just here to say, Nyleen being left alone was just something that was done without a second thought back then. She was probably around a bunch of older kids (maybe even 8 or 9) and that alone would not make parents worry.

[Killarney Rose]

Not trying to begin a debate or argument on this, but my kids were born in the years from 1978-1989. I never let them out of my sight- not even to play in our yard. I was too afraid someone would take them. They weren't allowed to walk away from me in stores, malls, anywhere-ever until they were in high school. We have a community store about 5 houses down the road from us and they weren't allowed to walk down there alone- ever.

I grew up hearing about child abductions and one that will always stay with me and was a big reason why I didn't let them out of my sight was the Camillia Jo Hand case . I was 13 when it happened in my area.

[TheBumble]

I was born in 78, and I acutely remember 'stranger danger' warnings. I was paranoid of being kidnapped as a child. That said, I spent my summers and weekends roaming the neighborhood and hiding out in other peoples' yards. Shoot, me and my best friend even went knocking on stranger's doors asking if we could swim in their pool or to ask for pennies to save the animals (really I kept the pennies for myself, I was rotten). I guess I was more afraid of a bad man in the shadows, and didn't think anybody in my neighborhood would harm me.

[kena06]

I'm Nyleen's half-sister. We have the same father. Kim is not her bio dad. As for whether or not Nancy Marshall is alive or not, the answer is no. She was found dead in a motel room in Mexico. The mexican authorities say it was suicide... but she was found hanging from a man's belt and was sexually assulted. She also had 2 other children, my half brother being one of them. She would never take her own life. Now, as for Kim, people say he has had a lot to suffer since he lost his daughter, who is not his bio daughter, and his wife... but he was cheating on his wife and he is the one that led Nancy to go to Mexico to look for Nyleen. I believe it was Kim who had Nancy murdered. The mexican authorities wont let the US touch the case. My other concern: That Kim is a predator, who saw Nancy alone with two small children, Nyleen and Nathan, and zoned in... and that he is the one who killed Nyleen. I believe he was abusing her. Anyway, that's a lot to take in, but that's my opinion. Kim, if u want to clear yourself... go take a lie detector test and talk to the authorities.

[crystaldawn]

I'm Nyleen's half-sister. We have the same father. Kim is not her bio dad. As for whether or not Nancy Marshall is alive or not, the answer is no. She was found dead in a motel room in Mexico. The mexican authorities say it was suicide... but she was found hanging from a man's belt and was sexually assulted. She also had 2 other children, my half brother being one of them. She would never take her own life. Now, as for Kim, people say he has had a lot to suffer since he lost his daughter, who is not his bio daughter, and his wife... but he was cheating on his wife and he is the one that led Nancy to go to Mexico to look for Nyleen. I believe it was Kim who had Nancy murdered. The mexican authorities wont let the US touch the case. My other concern: That Kim is a predator, who saw Nancy alone with two small children, Nyleen and Nathan, and zoned in... and that he is the one who killed Nyleen. I believe he was abusing her. Anyway, that's a lot to take in, but that's my opinion. Kim, if u want to clear yourself... go take a lie detector test and talk to the authorities.

Wow....all I can say is wow!!! Those are mind blowing accusations! Not saying I don't believe them, just never really heard anything about Kim good or bad. Do you have anything to base them on? Is it just something the family has thought or have others had suspicion about him as well? Did Nancy think Kim had anything to do with Nyleen's abduction? I didn't realize he wasn't her biological father. Thanks so much for posting and am curious to hear anything else you'd like to add.

[dynoguy88]

If even half of those theories are true, I can't even put into words how awful that would be. This case was already beyond tragic. Those are some very strong accusations. I don't know how Kim could have pulled off killing Nyleen given the circumstances of how she disappeared from the picnic.

When exactly was Nancy killed in Mexico? I've always wondered how long is was after Nyleen's disappearance that this horrible thing happened.

[TheBumble]

Kena, very interesting. Do you have anymore info? Why do you feel he was molesting nyleen? Hope you come back and post more.

[Necco]

Wow.
That's a twist I didn't expect.

[DarkDante]

If even half of those theories are true, I can't even put into words how awful that would be. This case was already beyond tragic. Those are some very strong accusations. I don't know how Kim could have pulled off killing Nyleen given the circumstances of how she disappeared from the picnic.


Also given the fact that in this case we have a potential unidentified suspect who knew enough information not disclosed to the public to raise the suspicions of authorities when he mailed those letters I believe into CHILD FIND USA.

[Hambone2421]

Wow.
That's a twist I didn't expect.

Agreed.... Bombshell if true!

[WishfulDreamer]

This accusation leads me to two big questions: Where was Kim the day Nyleen disappeared? If he killed her, how was he able to hide her body so that it has never been found to this day?

[ezpkns34]

Wait, so you guys are hesitant to believe the letter is genuine, but think these anonymous postings on here from Nyleen's numerous family members are legit?

[TheCars1986]

I see only two possibilities in this case.

-The letter writer was really responsible for her abduction and did in fact keep her alive and somehow brainwashed her into forgetting that she was ever even abducted. She's still alive to this day.

-The letter was simply a cruel hoax and Nyleen in fact died shortly after disappearing. Similar to Michael Henley.

I'm 50/50 on this one.

[justins5256]

I see only two possibilities in this case.

-The letter writer was really responsible for her abduction and did in fact keep her alive and somehow brainwashed her into forgetting that she was ever even abducted. She's still alive to this day.

-The letter was simply a cruel hoax and Nyleen in fact died shortly after disappearing. Similar to Michael Henley.

I'm 50/50 on this one.

Assuming the letter is authentic, he also could have killed her when she "aged out" of his preferred age type. The police indicated that the author of the letter described some things he was doing with Nyleen that were sexual in nature. Some posters have also noticed that if you freeze frame the letter at a specific point, you can make out some lines describing the sexual abuse.

Regardless, if the letter is authentic, the guy is probably a pedophile and abducted her for a sexual reason, not because he legitimately wanted to raise a child of his own. I don't know what that says for her chances of survival as she ages. Also, keeping her alive for years can be problematic for other reasons. If she ever gets curious and starts to ask questions about her past, requires a SS# for work, college, etc.

[TheCars1986]

Regardless, if the letter is authentic, the guy is probably a pedophile and abducted her for a sexual reason, not because he legitimately wanted to raise a child of his own. I don't know what that says for her chances of survival as she ages. Also, keeping her alive for years can be problematic for other reasons. If she ever gets curious and starts to ask questions about her past, requires a SS# for work, college, etc.

I was picturing something of along the lines of Elizabeth Smart, where if she is still in fact alive, she's somehow become a "prisoner of the mind" to her abductor.

[diesteldorf]

Assuming the letter is authentic, he also could have killed her when she "aged out" of his preferred age type. The police indicated that the author of the letter described some things he was doing with Nyleen that were sexual in nature. Some posters have also noticed that if you freeze frame the letter at a specific point, you can make out some lines describing the sexual abuse.

Regardless, if the letter is authentic, the guy is probably a pedophile and abducted her for a sexual reason, not because he legitimately wanted to raise a child of his own. I don't know what that says for her chances of survival as she ages. Also, keeping her alive for years can be problematic for other reasons. If she ever gets curious and starts to ask questions about her past, requires a SS# for work, college, etc.

This made me think of the Sharon Marshall case. I am reading "A Beautiful Child" and haven't finished it, but it seems like Floyd kept Sharon alive until she decided to leave him.

Does anyone think the pedophile that abducted Nyleen may have developed genuine feelings for her as an adult and they are still together?

Floyd was one sick puppy, but I wonder how common it is for pedophiles to maintain feelings for their victims after they grow up. Though perhaps Floyd had no feelings for Sharon at all and simply wanted to control her.

[Yusuke]

I think Kena06 may be telling the truth on being Nyleen's half-sister. First off, Kena06 mentioned a Nathan Marshall. If you look at a few post back, you'll see a user of the user name NPM12 claiming to be Nyleen's brother. Well if you look at his email account, it has "nmarshall" at the beginning. People normally have emails based on their first and last names. The first letter in the first name being an initial while having the whole last name. NPM12 could possibly be Nathan Marshall himself. Kena06 was not the first person to spread word that Kim Marshall wasn't Nyleen's biological father. It was an anonymous user on the blog site Unsolved-In the News. Kena06 claimed to be Nyleen's half-sister. The anonymous user also claimed that Nyleen had two half sisters, and a full brother. So I believe that Kena06 is one of Nyleen's half-sisters.

Now do I believe Kim Marshall was respondsible for the death of Nancy and the abduction of Nyleen? As of now, no. We know a little about him. For all we know, Kena06 could have some sort of hatred towards Kim. One reason being that she probably blamed him for the terrible things that happened to Nyleen and Nancy. After all, she does claim to that Kim Marshall was cheating on Nancy. Another reason is of what her father told her. After all, Kena06 claimed that this was what she felt happened so far.

Here are quotes from that anonymous user. Note that Kena06's post was in July of 2012, while this user was in May of 2012.
What would you do if you believed you had found Nyleen Kay and no one would follow up on what you found?
No, I'm not playing games. I have been doing adoption searches (reuniting families)for about 15 years and during one search I ran across Nyleen Kay's story. I decided to try and find her like I would for someone searching for an adoptee. By the time I was done I found a girl that I honestly believe "could be" her. I don't believe anyone will know for sure without doing DNA testing. I sent what I found to LE in Montana (never heard back)and NCMEC (was told ...well, it's hard to compare the pics since Nyleen Kay was so young when she was taken and she's possibly dead anyhow), America's Most Wanted (nothing back), Child Find of America (was told... when you send out this info. keep your font sizes all the same and be careful what you say because you don't want to get sued), Dave Wood with E.D.A.N (he said he believed it looked just like her but since I found her, I should sned the info in)etc. I must be doing something wrong because no one seems interested enough to check out this girl. I have not said anything to the girl I found because Nyleen Kay most likely doesn't know/realize she was kidnapped and if asked this girl would most likely say no way... this girl posted online one time that her first memory was from when she was 5 years old and she had chickenpox. I have had this info since 2006 or 2007 but can't seem to get anywhere with it. By the way, I also found Nyleen Kay's "real" father (not Kim Marshall) and her two 1/2 sisters by the same father and her full brother. I am great at searching for people ... just not so great with my communication skills.

Any ideas about what to do next are greatly appreciated!
I believe this is the SSDI info on Nyleen Kay's Mom (you said you couldn't find the exact date):

Social Security Death Index
1 Results



Viewing Records 1-1
Name Birth Death Age Last Residence Last Benefit Issued By SSN Extras


NANCY F MARSHALL 30 Apr 1953 24 Jul 1995 42 (not specified) (not specified) California 567-98-9189
The replies I mentioned from NCMEC and Child Find were from individuals who work/worked with those organizations.

Thank you for any help you can give me on what to do next.
Unfortunately she already said she doesn't remember anything until she was 5 years old, so I am sure it won't help to ask her. About the birth certificate... I am sure she has one even if she is Nyleen Kay because the "father" of my possible match somehow got hired to work within the Department of Health and Human Services and I do believe that's where birth certificates are handled... even though his normal/regular line of work appears to be something entirely different.

I don't know what I am going to do next, but I just can't give up! If it was my daughter I would want someone to keep trying until this girl was confirmed/excluded by DNA testing. I haven't found one thing that says it is not "her" or "him" in all the years I have been collecting info on them and with all the pics I have of her.

I will keep trying until someone cares enough to follow up on what I have found.

Nyleen's case is solvable. My biggest concern is that if Nyleen was still alive, just imagine the emotional pain Nyleen will go through when she learns her life is a lie. Imagine the emotional pain she'll go through when she can never see her mother she never knew again. Imagine the emotional pain she'll go through when she learns that the man that raised her abducted her when she was little. Imagine the emotional pain she'll go through when she learned that the man kept her for his sick and twisted sexual tendencies.
I feel bad for Nyleen. I hope that people that weren't a lie to her will gives her all of the support she needs to cope with such an emotional pain. I hope we can find this user, because the user may hold up a lot of answers to this case.

[dynoguy88]

Also, keeping her alive for years can be problematic for other reasons. If she ever gets curious and starts to ask questions about her past, requires a SS# for work, college, etc.

Looking at another infamous kidnapping case from UM, Christie and Bobby Baskin both got college degrees and jobs without their social security numbers and phony names on top of that. So I guess it's not impossible to do that.

But I do agree with you that keeping her alive for a long time could be problematic for the abductor.

[Yusuke]

I read somewhere that in the NBC version, there were details that were left out in the Lifetime version. Apparently the author of the letters wrote in there that at the age of nine, he lost one of his sisters. Then he wrote that he lost his father, his mother, and his other sister to a car crash. Is all of this true? Did Lifetime really leave out those details?

[kena06]

Wait, so you guys are hesitant to believe the letter is genuine, but think these anonymous postings on here from Nyleen's numerous family members are legit?

I really am Nyleen's half sister. Her dad is not Kim. Her bio dad is Bill Briscoe, who is my dad. He did to her what he did to me, abandon her to her mom and said peace out. So Nyleens mom moved and met Kim, who adopted her and my half brother Nathan (Nyleens brother).

--Kena Foster

[kena06]

This is Kena and I AM Nyleens half sister. William Briscoe is our father. Nathan Marshall is my half brother too. Our dad met their mom first. After Nyleen was born he took off. Nancy then moved and met Kim, who adopted Nathan and Nyleen. Then my dad met my mom, impregnanted her, and then took off.

As far as Kim, I don't have any personal vendetta. Just after all my research and after my talks with Nathan, I truly believe he is responsible at least for Nancy's death and possibly Nyleens abduction (possibly death and possibly molestation). If it isn't Kim, I have one other guy in mind. I really want to get his DNA to the authorities. And I REALLY hope the authorities still have the letter and stamp. From who I have asked, they won't tell me if they have it. I don't know why.

--Kena Foster


I think Kena06 may be telling the truth on being Nyleen's half-sister. First off, Kena06 mentioned a Nathan Marshall. If you look at a few post back, you'll see a user of the user name NPM12 claiming to be Nyleen's brother. Well if you look at his email account, it has "nmarshall" at the beginning. People normally have emails based on their first and last names. The first letter in the first name being an initial while having the whole last name. NPM12 could possibly be Nathan Marshall himself. Kena06 was not the first person to spread word that Kim Marshall wasn't Nyleen's biological father. It was an anonymous user on the blog site Unsolved-In the News. Kena06 claimed to be Nyleen's half-sister. The anonymous user also claimed that Nyleen had two half sisters, and a full brother. So I believe that Kena06 is one of Nyleen's half-sisters.

Now do I believe Kim Marshall was respondsible for the death of Nancy and the abduction of Nyleen? As of now, no. We know a little about him. For all we know, Kena06 could have some sort of hatred towards Kim. One reason being that she probably blamed him for the terrible things that happened to Nyleen and Nancy. After all, she does claim to that Kim Marshall was cheating on Nancy. Another reason is of what her father told her. After all, Kena06 claimed that this was what she felt happened so far.

Here are quotes from that anonymous user. Note that Kena06's post was in July of 2012, while this user was in May of 2012.






Nyleen's case is solvable. My biggest concern is that if Nyleen was still alive, just imagine the emotional pain Nyleen will go through when she learns her life is a lie. Imagine the emotional pain she'll go through when she can never see her mother she never knew again. Imagine the emotional pain she'll go through when she learns that the man that raised her abducted her when she was little. Imagine the emotional pain she'll go through when she learned that the man kept her for his sick and twisted sexual tendencies.
I feel bad for Nyleen. I hope that people that weren't a lie to her will gives her all of the support she needs to cope with such an emotional pain. I hope we can find this user, because the user may hold up a lot of answers to this case.

[kena06]

I can't speak for other family members, it's not my place, nor am I close with any of them. I was only her half-sister on the fathers side (Bill Briscoe) and he took off after Nyleen was born. I do talk to Nathan though, her brother, my half-brother. It's not my place to say what he thinks.

Nancy did not believe Kim had anything to do with it as far as I know.

And yes I have a lot to base my suspicions on, otherwise I wouldn't make such accusations.

--Kena Foster

Wow....all I can say is wow!!! Those are mind blowing accusations! Not saying I don't believe them, just never really heard anything about Kim good or bad. Do you have anything to base them on? Is it just something the family has thought or have others had suspicion about him as well? Did Nancy think Kim had anything to do with Nyleen's abduction? I didn't realize he wasn't her biological father. Thanks so much for posting and am curious to hear anything else you'd like to add.

[WishfulDreamer]

Thank you for posting here, Kena! I want to say that I'm truly sorry about your half-sister. I really hope that one day you will get answers.

[RobinW]

Here's a recent article on the disappearance of Nyleen:
http://www.kbzk.com/news/30-years-later-seach-continues-for-missing-montana-girl/

The most interesting part is this comment from the country sheriff investigating the case:

"From what I've been told, the step-father was, and was throughout the investigation, a person of interest," Doolittle said.

Of course, we've had quite a few posts on here from a family member claiming that Nyleen's stepfather, Kim, was probably responsible for her disappearance. However, I think this is the first time I've actually seen an LE official mention this possibility on the record. VERY interesting!

[Yusuke]

I knew Kena Foster was Nyleen's half-sister. That article proves this.

[Yusuke]

Sorry for the double post. Apparently Tim Bindner took an interest in the Nyleen Kay Marshall case. Well according to Zoominfo.

http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=746367744&targetid=profile

Here's a news article about Nyleen back when she first went missing. What she was wearing has been out to the pubic before those letters. Well at least the idea of what she was wearing.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ju0vAAAAIBAJ&sjid=su4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=1880,6222726&dq=nyleen+marshall&hl=en

Here is Nancy Marshall's grave.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=marshall&GSfn=nancy&GSmn=f&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=64824182&df=all&

EDIT
Here's a profile of Kim Marshall.
http://www.mylife.com/c-1602373378
Nyleen's brother IS Nathan. Her other younger sister is Noreen.

[dynoguy88]

Here's a news article about Nyleen back when she first went missing. What she was wearing has been out to the pubic before those letters. Well at least the idea of what she was wearing.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ju0vAAAAIBAJ&sjid=su4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=1880,6222726&dq=nyleen+marshall&hl=en

Considering that article was written 3 days after she disappeared, I'm surprised at the description of her clothing. All it says is she was wearing shorts and a t-shirt. Every kid in the country wears shorts and a t-shirt during summer. How can they not mention the color of her clothing? Any patterns on it? Labels? What this article is telling the public is that a child is missing and she was wearing clothes.

[DarkDante]

Considering that article was written 3 days after she disappeared, I'm surprised at the description of her clothing. All it says is she was wearing shorts and a t-shirt. Every kid in the country wears shorts and a t-shirt during summer. How can they not mention the color of her clothing? Any patterns on it? Labels? What this article is telling the public is that a child is missing and she was wearing clothes.

I've mentioned this a few times before and this is only my personal read on the matter, but I believe that from the very start of this case the exact details regarding the clothing Nyleen was wearing when she went missing has been purposely withheld from the public.

I've done a lot of research on this case over the years and have never been able to find anything conclusive as to the type of clothing Nyleen was wearing when she disappeared. You would think it only natural given this is a missing persons case that somewhere along the line a detailed description of what Nyleen was wearing that day would've surfaced but I've never been able to find anything. That shorts and t-shirt description is about the closest I've ever found and as you mentioned that article came out only a few days after she went missing. Subsequent pieces on the case have mentioned even less on the subject matter.

[Steve W.]

What would be the reason or reasons for authorities to withhold more detailed descriptions of the clothing she was wearing the day she went missing?

[blackdahlia28]

This accusation leads me to two big questions: Where was Kim the day Nyleen disappeared? If he killed her, how was he able to hide her body so that it has never been found to this day?

Looking from outside the US I think it's not so difficult to find there a place to hide a body.... it could be a wooded area (not the same where Nylenn dissapeared), a lake, burning the body in an abandoned property, in Montana there are a lot of places where you can hide a body (like all the US, I think) because of the geography.


One cuestion is: the man that say Nyleen to follow the shadows couldn't be Kim because the other children would recognize him, so maybe he acted with an accomplice.

I would like to know if Kim was having money problems at the time, because Nyleen was a pretty and little girl and could be sold to someone easily, if Kim was in the wrong side of the law (consuming drugs, etc)

[kena06]

I've often wondered myself if Kim sold my half-sister, Nyleen. I don't know. I just really, really, have a gut feeling that he hired someone to kill Nancy though. It was his idea that she go to Mexico and he was cheating on her. Not to mention, right after Nancy died, he kicked poor Nathan (her son) out of the house and moved his girlfriend in. Nathan I believe was only 17 and had never been on his own before that.


Looking from outside the US I think it's not so difficult to find there a place to hide a body.... it could be a wooded area (not the same where Nylenn dissapeared), a lake, burning the body in an abandoned property, in Montana there are a lot of places where you can hide a body (like all the US, I think) because of the geography.


One cuestion is: the man that say Nyleen to follow the shadows couldn't be Kim because the other children would recognize him, so maybe he acted with an accomplice.

I would like to know if Kim was having money problems at the time, because Nyleen was a pretty and little girl and could be sold to someone easily, if Kim was in the wrong side of the law (consuming drugs, etc)

[blackdahlia28]

I've often wondered myself if Kim sold my half-sister, Nyleen. I don't know. I just really, really, have a gut feeling that he hired someone to kill Nancy though. It was his idea that she go to Mexico and he was cheating on her. Not to mention, right after Nancy died, he kicked poor Nathan (her son) out of the house and moved his girlfriend in. Nathan I believe was only 17 and had never been on his own before that.


Hi Kena06

Before reading your posts I always tought that Nyleen's case was a Non Family Abduction commited by a stranger, maybe a paedophile or some sicko (because of the letters he suposedly sent to police).

But after reading what you have posted here, I think there is a strong possibility that Kim was involved. I didn't know that Kim wasn't her real father, I didn't know that he was cheating Nancy when she died, I didn't know a lot of facts that you mentioned and know make sense to me.

I think he sold her because if he murdered her he would have faced a lot of difficulties (when a child dissapears the prime suspects are parents) and he had to get an alibi, told where he was when Nyleen dissapear, told where he was after, and a lot of stuff. If he was hiding a body he had to have time to travel to a remote area to bury her, etc.... it's very very difficult with Nancy and the police going around all the time.

But If he sold her , it was easy to wash his hands an appear as a sad parent who has lost his beauty child.

If Kim really sold her, I hope he sold her to an adoption ring, because that's the only way she could be alive now, maybe overseas and now she's in England or Canada. Maybe in Australia or New Zealand (I have some knowledge that abduction rings to adoption tend to send the child to english speaking countries if the child is yet speaking - she was 4- and she was from the US). But it would be very difficult to trace her.

But I'm scared about the posibility they used her for other stuff.


Anyways, I'm happy that you care about your half sister and stills look for her. You have a lot of people in and outside US that watched UM and care for Nyleen.

Thanks for posting here.:wave:

[Steve W.]

"I've often wondered myself if Kim sold my half-sister, Nyleen. I don't know. I just really, really, have a gut feeling that he hired someone to kill Nancy though. It was his idea that she go to Mexico and he was cheating on her. Not to mention, right after Nancy died, he kicked poor Nathan (her son) out of the house and moved his girlfriend in. Nathan I believe was only 17 and had never been on his own before that."


Wow, if all of that were to be true, Kim is just scum.

[kena06]

Thank you for your input blackdahlia28. I think it's a very real possibility that Kim sold her. It was years later, before Nancy died, that Nathan found the reciepts for the jewelry and lingerie for the Russian women that Kim admitted to Nathan about having affairs with, but still, what if he was cheating on Nancy way back when Nyleen was abuducted? What if he sold her to pay for his lavish gifts to his lovers? I don't know. Just another theory.

[dynoguy88]

Thank you for your input blackdahlia28. I think it's a very real possibility that Kim sold her. It was years later, before Nancy died, that Nathan found the reciepts for the jewelry and lingerie for the Russian women that Kim admitted to Nathan about having affairs with, but still, what if he was cheating on Nancy way back when Nyleen was abuducted? What if he sold her to pay for his lavish gifts to his lovers? I don't know. Just another theory.

My GOD. If even half of the things you've mentioned about Kim are true, he is pure scum. How did family, friends and neighbors react when he kicked Nathan out of the house right on the heels of Nancy's murder? Even if he has nothing to do with Nyleen's disappearance, that just seems unbelievably cruel. And for a person to do that right after a horrific tragedy, it would show he could care less about how much of a monster he looks like to all friends and family of Nancy, Nathan AND Nyleen.

Does Kim or Nancy have a brother or brother-in-law? Unsolved Mysteries is the only source that ever mentioned Nyleen's uncle seeing this composite of a couple wanted for child abduction during the first day's search for Nyleen...

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Nyleen_zps2f2c508d.jpg

It's a long shot, maybe even wishful thinking by the family during the very early days of the case. Or maybe Kim has a sibling that might have been an accomplice. Just a theory, here. I'm grasping at straws. But considering the picnic took place in a very remote area in the mountains, it seems much more likely that it could have been an inside job rather than some stranger sicko child abductor just happening to be in a such a remote place at the right time.

What's old Kim up to these days?

[blackdahlia28]

Thank you for your input blackdahlia28. I think it's a very real possibility that Kim sold her. It was years later, before Nancy died, that Nathan found the reciepts for the jewelry and lingerie for the Russian women that Kim admitted to Nathan about having affairs with, but still, what if he was cheating on Nancy way back when Nyleen was abuducted? What if he sold her to pay for his lavish gifts to his lovers? I don't know. Just another theory.

Authorities should trace Kim's bank accounts to the month /year when Nyleen dissapear. It's the only way to see if he received a strange large sume of money because of Nyleen's sold.

Do you know if Kim was interviewed as a suspect and if he passed a polygraph test??????

[DarkDante]

Not wishing to condemn Kim any more than he's already been condemned in this thread but I always thought it was a bit odd that Nancy alone appeared in the UM segment.

Even if Kim wasn't Nyleen's biological father, you'd think having his stepdaughter abducted would've been something that would've motivated him to actively take part in a television program that was aiming to help locate her. I'm not claiming that this in any way incriminates Kim of any wrong doing in this case, but I just always found it odd that Kim is nowhere to be found in the UM segment.

[blackdahlia28]

Not wishing to condemn Kim any more than he's already been condemned in this thread but I always thought it was a bit odd that Nancy alone appeared in the UM segment.

Even if Kim wasn't Nyleen's biological father, you'd think having his stepdaughter abducted would've been something that would've motivated him to actively take part in a television program that was aiming to help locate her. I'm not claiming that this in any way incriminates Kim of any wrong doing in this case, but I just always found it odd that Kim is nowhere to be found in the UM segment.

There are good and bad stepfathers. There are good ones who cares of their stepsons as their own sons, and there are the bad ones who neglect, doesn't care and even abuse them.
Maybe he wasn't a caring stepfather and Nathan and Nyleen wasn't a concern to him, as he was only interested in Nancy first and then he was not interested in her anymore and that's the only explanation of him throwing away Nathan when Nancy was murdered.Maybe he wasn't guilty to abduction, but wasn't concerned for a daughter that he didn't view as his own.

We don't know the truth, but if Kena06 statements are true, maybe he was happy to get rid of all of them.

[dynoguy88]

There are good and bad stepfathers. There are good ones who cares of their stepsons as their own sons, and there are the bad ones who neglect, doesn't care and even abuse them.
Maybe he wasn't a caring stepfather and Nathan and Nyleen wasn't a concern to him, as he was only interested in Nancy first and then he was not interested in her anymore and that's the only explanation of him throwing away Nathan when Nancy was murdered.Maybe he wasn't guilty to abduction, but wasn't concerned for a daughter that he didn't view as his own.

We don't know the truth, but if Kena06 statements are true, maybe he was happy to get rid of all of them.

Nyleen and Nathan's last names were Marshall. That must mean Kim legally adopted them after he married Nancy. Otherwise, they wouldn't have his last name. So he wasn't their step-father, he was their adopted father, in Nathan's case for over 13 years.

17 is still considered underage. I don't think it was even legal for Kim to kick Nathan out of the house.

[blackdahlia28]

Nyleen and Nathan's last names were Marshall. That must mean Kim legally adopted them after he married Nancy. Otherwise, they wouldn't have his last name. So he wasn't their step-father, he was their adopted father, in Nathan's case for over 13 years.

17 is still considered underage. I don't think it was even legal for Kim to kick Nathan out of the house.

Yeah, but maybe he was tired of the kids soon.
Maybe he had good intentions first, of raising the child as his own, but when love for Nancy stoped and became dating another women he also questioned his assumed paternity. He may be very volatile in his emotions.

One thing is say to a 25 years old son to get out of the house and other is to kick a 17 boy who has recently lost his mother (in an horrible way). I think if this is true, it talks very bad of Kim. Maybe he's not a murderer or an abductor but a very bad parent. Poor Nathan. And also I think it was ilegally done, but maybe Nathan didn't want to return to house and decided not to denounce Kim to authorities.

[mendozA]

Hi...new to this board:wave:

I found this recent article online i'm not allowed link it because I'm new but it is on kxlh dot com and the article date is february this year if I recall correctly.

I haven't been following this case for that long, but was interested to find the reference to the HAM radio picnic the Marshalls were attending when Nyleen went missing. I never thought it was plausible that an abductor just happened by and took the oppertunity to take Nyleen, but if the family had been "chatting" to this guy....That's probably way out there:o

Um, also one other thing the article names Kim as a person of interest in the case.. I never saw that before either.

Also, seems like there are mine shafts in the area, it seems like dangerous terrain, if it was searched, something could have been missed.

Good to see the case seems to be open anyway.

I frequent the Charley Project and this is one of the cases that I like to check in on from time to time, so heartbreaking.

[Yusuke]

Nathan was 6-years-old when Nyleen went missing which was 1983. So he must of been 18-years-old in 1995, since that was the year Nancy died.