Most Baffling Mystery

[UMfan77]

What do you think has been the most baffling mystery ever shown on UM?

The mystery that mystifies me is the one about Frederick Valentic. He was the young, Australian pilot who disappeared in 1978 while flying his plane. Before he disappeared, he contacted an airport saying that a strange green light was floating around his plane, and at one point the green light got really close and his plane started shaking. Frederick's last radio transmission was "it's hovering and it's not an aircraft". There were eyewitnesses that saw the green thing above the plane. Everyone thought that Frederick had crashed and there was an extensive search for him and nothing was ever found. Some people believe that the green light might of been an UFO and that Frederick was abducted and taken into space.

That case has me really wondering whatever became of Federick Valentic and where he could be.

[crystaldawn]

Wow, thats a great question umfan77! I don't think I can narrow it down to just 1, but here are a few that always baffled me:

Kurt Sova - its been mentioned on the board before. He's the guy that went missing after a party and was found dead in a vacant lot 5 days later (near where the party was) that had already been searched. They couldn't determine what he died from.

Aileen Conway - one of the earliest stories. A housewife and mother who died when her car crashed into a bridge and burst into flames on an isolated road where she had never, or would never have any reason to be. There were a lot of clues at home to indicate she left abruptly although her purse was still there.

Arnold Archambeau & Ruby Bruguier - the couple who after partying one night had a car accident. Their passenger escaped unharmed but Ruby and Arnold weren't found until 3 months later in an area that had already been searched and were in very different stages of decomposition. A friend claims to have seen Arnold in the months after the accident and passed a polygraph on that fact. Very strange!

Franklin Delano Floyd - the whole story of when he abducted the little boy Michael that he claimed was his son (dna tests said differently) and the girl Sharon that he tried to pass off as his daughter and then later married her! I'm reading the book about this case right now and its very interesting! Even though Sharon was killed in a suspicious accident in 1990, they continue to try and match her dna with other missing children in hopes that they can find out who she really is.

[UMfan77]

Those are very baffling stories, especially the Curt Sova one. The whole scenario about not being able to determine his cause of death is unbelievable. A 17 year old boy doesn't just turn up dead, founl play was probably involved. The fact that he had been missing for 5 days makes it even more suspicious. A record store worked had spoken to a unknown man about Kurt being missing and that he would turn up dead, which was what exactly happened. Too bad that the unknown man can't be found for questioning, maybe he killed Kurt. This case has been unsolved for over 20 years!

[nohwheregirl]

Originally posted by crystaldawn
Arnold Archambeau & Ruby Bruguier ....

Franklin Delano Floyd ....


Both of these cases seriously creep me out. It's so frustrating just thinking about them! What's the name of the book you're reading on FDF, crystaldawn? I'd love to pick it up.

I'd like to add a subcategory of "Most baffling cases that we thought would never ever get solved, but did!" and kick it off with the Beverly McGowan case.

[crystaldawn]

Hey! The name of the book is "A Beautiful Child" by Matt Birkbeck. It just came out in September.

My story to put in your subcategory would be the Gayle Delano story. She traveled all the way to Alabama from Maine and went to a hotel under an assumed name and committed suicide. One of guys in the coroner's office happened to be watching UM and said she resembled an unidentified Jane Doe that they had. What are the chances?! Good thing UM is out there! :)

[ddelta]

What about the one recently where the woman met her husband in Philadelphia, PA...when he was on business...she set out to sightsee and is found months later dead in North Carolina. I just don't get why she was there...numerous store clerks had seen her in NC on her own adn fine and the police suspect that she was leaving her husband and then met with foul play. I didn't get her not letting her daughter know if this was the case. I felt so bad for both her daughter and husband.

[mikeiscool]

The most baffling case that I have seen on UM has been the Keith Warren case, about the young black man whose murder was ruled a suicide but evidence found by his mother and sister proved that it could have been a murder. The creepy thing was how his friend Mark Findlay died in a so-called "biking" accident just as he was about to give Keith's mother some info about Keith's murder. Does anyone know if any new info has come about on that case?

[Blackout]

What do you think has been the most baffling mystery ever shown on UM?

The mystery that mystifies me is the one about Frederick Valentic. He was the young, Australian pilot who disappeared in 1978 while flying his plane. Before he disappeared, he contacted an airport saying that a strange green light was floating around his plane, and at one point the green light got really close and his plane started shaking. Frederick's last radio transmission was "it's hovering and it's not an aircraft". There were eyewitnesses that saw the green thing above the plane. Everyone thought that Frederick had crashed and there was an extensive search for him and nothing was ever found. Some people believe that the green light might of been an UFO and that Frederick was abducted and taken into space.

That case has me really wondering whatever became of Federick Valentic and where he could be.

yeah that was a puzzling case, I also read a theory that the "UFO" might have pulled him so close that his entire plane was disintigrated into dust, although that seems damn near impossible

[SitcomsAreTheWay]

The most baffling case that I have seen on UM has been the Keith Warren case, about the young black man whose murder was ruled a suicide but evidence found by his mother and sister proved that it could have been a murder. The creepy thing was how his friend Mark Findlay died in a so-called "biking" accident just as he was about to give Keith's mother some info about Keith's murder. Does anyone know if any new info has come about on that case?

As far as I know, no new info has surfaced regarding this case. I think it's extremely ridiculous how the police have repeatedly avoided looking further into it. Those chemicals, in which were found in his system, and the high amounts of them were unbelievable. I think one of them happened to have been embalming fluid.

Regarding Mark Findley, I'm unsure as to whether he truly died as a result of a biking accident or he was murdered because some way, some how someone found out that he was intending to, as HE put it, "unload". However it IS strange that he died before he could do so.

[keith warren]

I’m a very good friend of the Warren family and on behalf of his mom and sister they would like to say thank you for your on going concern. As far as this situation is concerned.... every year Montgomery county prosecutor office requests that both Keith mom and sister come and make a statement with regard to the case. The case is now open but inactive. Which in other words means unless Keith comes back from the grave or someone comes forward, this case will never be solved. It is unfortunate that the family has to endure this abuse but there is no other solution.

[Kane]

[QUOTE=keith warren]The case is now open but inactive. Which in other words means unless Keith comes back from the grave or someone comes forward, this case will never be solved.QUOTE]

Never say never. Being inactive doesn't necessarily mean that the case would never be solved. Nevertheless, it appears that the best hope is if someone comes forward with information.

It is terrible that Keith Warren's family has been suffering for nearly 19 years without any answers to what really happened. It's bad enough that they lost a loved one. But the fact they have been given the runaround has only made it worse. :mad: :(

[dynoguy88]

I think the Keith Warren case is the perfect example of police being in complete denial over the cause of death. I guess it's just easier for them to sweep it under the rug as a suicide instead of actually working on a murder investigation, and that sickens me. It would be one thing to investigate the case as a murder and not come up with any suspects but it's completely different to put no effort into an investigation at all. At least you would be doing something and bringing some kind of justice to Keith's family. It just floors me that the police refuse to believe anything but suicide and keep fighting the possibility of homicide despite the number of facts that were discussed during the UM segment.

Maybe if they could picture themselves in Mrs. Warren's shoes and lose their child under suspicious circumstances made out to look like a suicide, something might be done. Sometimes, it's about the connections. What a joke.

[nohwheregirl]

I’m a very good friend of the Warren family and on behalf of his mom and sister they would like to say thank you for your on going concern. As far as this situation is concerned.... every year Montgomery county prosecutor office requests that both Keith mom and sister come and make a statement with regard to the case. The case is now open but inactive. Which in other words means unless Keith comes back from the grave or someone comes forward, this case will never be solved. It is unfortunate that the family has to endure this abuse but there is no other solution.

Thanks so much for posting. Keith's case has always really bothered me because of what his family has been put through, but also because it seems so unnecessary that they still don't have answers after all these years. It's the most frustrating kind of case to hear about because it would be solved if the police had just done their job in the first place. It's shameful. I hope you and Keith's family are able to find some peace.

[toddjharp]

Anyone remember the case of Roger Dean who was murdered in his own home while his wife was tied up upstairs? There never was an update and the family seemed to have no idea who might have done that.

I also remember the Aileen Conway case, but I only saw it once several years back and was unable to find anything about it on the Net.

[dynoguy88]

...Well, to add insult to injury regarding the Roger Dean case, 5 years after he killed Roger, he starting sending threatening letters to his wife D.J. and their daughter Tammy. He wanted $500,000 or he would kill again.

The killer really knew how to torture D.J. Dean and tragedy was not new to her. A few years eariler, her son was killed in a car accident. Within a few months another car accident took the lives of her parents. Then, of course, the killer gunned down her husband. Now he wanted the money or else he would kill Tammy, her last surviving relative.

Police and FBI agents moved into the Dean house, but the killer never struck. This all happened in Littleton, Colorado. Littleton, as we all know, is famous for the tragic Columbine shootings.

[Kane]

Anyone remember the case of Roger Dean who was murdered in his own home while his wife was tied up upstairs? There never was an update and the family seemed to have no idea who might have done that.

I also remember the Aileen Conway case, but I only saw it once several years back and was unable to find anything about it on the Net.

I remember the Roger Dean murder. It happened in November of 1985 in Littleton, CO (the same town where the Colombine High School massacre would take place nearly 14 years later). Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any links related to the case.

Like you, I've been searching unsuccessfully on the internet for anything on the Aileen Conway case.

[toddjharp]

The reason why the murder struck me as strange was that there seemed to be no suspects who may have had a grudge against the Deans. There was a theory made up about Roger hiring someone to rob him and then he could report a robbery, but that theory never seemed to make any sense to me.

[dynoguy88]

Well, also, it was stated that a few years before his death, Roger Dean opened a private bank account of $30,000 without telling his wife. I'm thinking it had something to do with business... his killer obviously knew much about him. I hit the pause button when one of his letters was shown, and the killer acted as if he knew the family well, and that he had stalked the Dean's daughter Tammy in the past, who he reffered to as a very attractive model.

I wish there was some kind of update about this case. I wonder how D.J. and Tammy are doing. Are they still living in fear in Colorado or did they move into hiding?

[DeeeNah]

Arnold Archambeau & Ruby Bruguier - the couple who after partying one night had a car accident. Their passenger escaped unharmed but Ruby and Arnold weren't found until 3 months later in an area that had already been searched and were in very different stages of decomposition. A friend claims to have seen Arnold in the months after the accident and passed a polygraph on that fact. Very strange!


I think this is the story that strikes me as most strange. What happened? Any good links out there on this story?

[kane7474]

Those are very baffling stories, especially the Curt Sova one. The whole scenario about not being able to determine his cause of death is unbelievable. A 17 year old boy doesn't just turn up dead, founl play was probably involved. The fact that he had been missing for 5 days makes it even more suspicious. A record store worked had spoken to a unknown man about Kurt being missing and that he would turn up dead, which was what exactly happened. Too bad that the unknown man can't be found for questioning, maybe he killed Kurt. This case has been unsolved for over 20 years!
Ok here is why I say there was shabby Police work. The police actually did pick this guy up after he sent a threatning letter to the girl in the record store. They said on UM that they questioned him and let him go. So are we to understand they did not even get his NAME? He openly tells someone that a missing person will be found dead and we dont even find out where he lives or hold him for a few days as a suspect? It makes no sense and all these young kids involved, any good detective should be able to get one of them to rat out the others but from what they said on the show the cops hardly questioned any of them I just dont get it

[mikeholly]

Ull the Unexplained phenoma ones, especially the Ghosts and psychics and some murders ones, like the indian teens who were murdered in 1992.

[Gman24]

From what I've read, there's a lot more to Roger Dean than people knew on the segment. Appearantly, Roger may have been shot dead because he and the killer got in an argument because Roger wanted him to finish off his wife. Cops do have a suspect in this case: A man who was in his twenties at the time of the murder. The investigation has stalled because cops don't have any probable cause to link him to the crime.

[crystaldawn]

From what I've read, there's a lot more to Roger Dean than people knew on the segment. Appearantly, Roger may have been shot dead because he and the killer got in an argument because Roger wanted him to finish off his wife. Cops do have a suspect in this case: A man who was in his twenties at the time of the murder. The investigation has stalled because cops don't have any probable cause to link him to the crime.

Very interesting. I was thinking about this case recently wondered if there had been any developments. So do they think the unknown man was actually there to kill the wife? If you have any online articles you can post about the case we'd love to read them.

[peachysquirt21]

I think you could add Audrey Moate to this list.

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

one that I'll mention is terisita basha. it's one of the infamous ghost segments. but it's one of the few ghost segments that has some possible legitimacy. she was actually able to lead detectives to the killer in a case that may have gone unsolved without her visions or dreams. the lead detective of the case actually confirms her story. so either she had some inside info and put on a complete believable hoax.......or she really did have those visions. kind of freaky if it was the latter.

I know there were other cases or segments where police were aided by psychics in solving deaths.

this was the great thing about UM. there were so many baffling cases. the unexplained death segments always left me upset or with such an empty feeling. that's one of the main reasons we need this show circulating. It gives us hope when you see cases being solved literally decade(s) later.

[Gman24]

They have no idea. The two possible reasons the killer and Dean got into an argument were either Dean wanted the killer to finish off his wife, or he got into an argument over the money.

[mphs95]

Audrey Moate is a great one. Another one that I can think of is the fertility statues.....as in WTF were the producers thinking airing that crap!

[Dr Will Hatch]

Thanks so much for posting. Keith's case has always really bothered me because of what his family has been put through, but also because it seems so unnecessary that they still don't have answers after all these years. It's the most frustrating kind of case to hear about because it would be solved if the police had just done their job in the first place. It's shameful. I hope you and Keith's family are able to find some peace.

I agree. This case and the Wackers case always bothered me because they appear to be totally unsolvable. We have no faith in the authorities, no witnesses to identify. The mother and sister must be suffering terribly

[atm8588]

I agree with OP on the Keith Warren Case. I also think that the Alcatraz escapees case has to be up there on the list, also the Zodiac Case.

[bryndis]

The segment on the woman and the male friend who was shot by an apparent angry football fan. That was really strange.

[justins5256]

Don't know if this is most baffling but...how about Don Kemp?

I firmly believe he wasn't murdered and died of exposure, but who the Hell made those phone calls?

[synthisislab]

I'd like to add a subcategory of "Most baffling cases that we thought would never ever get solved, but did!" and kick it off with the Beverly McGowan case.
So did they find the British lady (I think her name was Elaine Parent?) and the creepy looking transvestite with the bad wig?

[Stack>Farina]

So did they find the British lady (I think her name was Elaine Parent?) and the creepy looking transvestite with the bad wig?


yes and she killed herself right as the police were arresting her

[Jediknight1823]

Don't know if this is most baffling but...how about Don Kemp?

I firmly believe he wasn't murdered and died of exposure, but who the Hell made those phone calls?

That one was baffling, bizarre and a little creepy.

Throwing out the unexplained (ghosts, UFOs) ones, I'd go with Kurt McFall, Kurt Sova, and The disappearance of the Sarah Joe.

The disappearance of the Sarah Joe would probably take my number 1 spot. Years after it disappears they find part of the boat wrecked, a grave and the remains of one of the guys. But that island had been searched 5 years earlier, and none of that was there.

[synthisislab]

yes and she killed herself right as the police were arresting her
Whoa. When and where did this happen?

[synthisislab]

These are some of the ones that baffle me:

Ed Baker
Blair Adams
Jeremy Bright
Arnold Archambeau and Ruby Brugier
Bryan Nisenfeld
Cindy James
Aileen Conway
Kurt Sova
Mike Riemer
Kurt McFall
Clarence Roberts
L'Enfant
Morris Davis
AJ Breaux
John Cheek
Circleville Letters
George Owens
Perman Gilbert
Dale Kerstetter
Dave Bocks
Black Dahlia
Freedon
David Marifield
Jay Cook & Tanya Van Cuylenborg
Tony Lombardi
Duane McCorkendale
Dick Hansen
Mike Emert
Charles Horvath
Jack Davis Jr.
Chad Lankford
Matt Flores
Michael Francke
Charles Morgan
Jamie Santos
Ashley Freeman & Lauria Bible
Boys on the Tracks

[kadrmas15]

Elaine Parent I believe killed herself in 2002 in Panama City, Florida right as the police were in the house arresting her. I believe she was in a bedroom and killed herself just as they were closing in. I agree with all of the cases you listed as baffling. I still believe that Riemer is alive or at least was not murdered back in 1985. I mean, I guess to me it does not make much sense that some mysterious third party would kill Diana Robertson and leave her body there yet carry a 200 pound body to an unknown location to bury it. Riemer in my opinion not only killed Diana Robertson but also killed that other couple a couple of months earlier. Riemer would have been the only one to have a motivation to take the child to a department store and drop her off. However the big question is, how did Riemer get back to town?

[synthisislab]

Yeah, I think Mike Riemer was the one that killed her and killed the couple that was camping a few weeks before, then fled to live off the land. There was a pattern of abuse and then you add the fact that they were estranged until that trip and his body not being found along with the daughter being dropped off plus the note and all the circumstancial evidence certainly points towards him.

I know looks don't prove much, but that guy had a very scary look about him, didn't he?

I think the only way that he wasn't the killer is if the real killer was clever enough to hide Mike's body (so well that it would never be found) and leave clues behind that would implicate Mike. But that seems highly doubtful to me.

[synthisislab]

Elaine Parent I believe killed herself in 2002 in Panama City, Florida right as the police were in the house arresting her. I believe she was in a bedroom and killed herself just as they were closing in.
Wow, so she was back in Florida? Or did she never leave? I guess they never did find the creepy transvestite then, huh?

However the big question is, how did Riemer get back to town?
I'm thinking he killed Diana, then just drove her daughter into town. Then he drove back to Diana, dumped the vehicle, and took off into the woods. What gets me though about some of these people disappearing is that they don't leave any trail. Like they don't try to rob other people or steal cars to be able to keep running and surviving. Maybe Mike had a vehicle no one knew about stashed away, especially if he planned to murder another couple to try to give authorities a smoke screen of some sort.

[cmyweb]

Wow, so she was back in Florida? Or did she never leave? I guess they never did find the creepy transvestite then, huh?


synthisislab...its my understanding Elaine was the transvestite...or are you talking about a different case? (the one where the guy dressed as a woman that sells the cars comes to mind).

There some info on Elaine in her Wiki post here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Parent

[synthisislab]

Wow, so she was able to pose as a man posing as a woman? Damn, that's pretty unbelievable. I was always under the impression that there was a male transvestite accomplice based on that being presented in the UM segment.

[UMfan77]

The disappearance of the Sarah Joe would probably take my number 1 spot. Years after it disappears they find part of the boat wrecked, a grave and the remains of one of the guys. But that island had been searched 5 years earlier, and none of that was there.

I was watching the Sarah Jo segment yesterday and had not seen it in a long, long time. And yes, that case has me baffled too, very strange case. I doubt the Sarah Jo was floating around aimlessly from 1979 till 1985 and then all of a sudden, crashes into that desolate island between 1985 and 1988. We all wonder where the other 4 guys are because only one of them was buried on the island. Does anyone here think that boat was a tad too small to be out in such a large body of water? I know the water was calm when they left the dock, but I would've felt safer in a bigger boat. A 17 foot boat isn't that big considering 5 grown men were all in it.

[soilentgreen]

Footlocker skeleton
Judy Smith
Aileen Conway
Dale Kerstetter

[7hurricane]

how about Kathy Hobbs case. She was the girl who kept saying she wouldn't make it to the age of 16, then did but was abducted several months after her 16th bday and then they found her body. What a tradgedy that whole story was just heart breaking.

[7hurricane]

Also the Wendy Camp disapperance suppossedly from walmart. I wish they would find something on these missing people.


Angela Hammond disapperance
There is a lot more just can't of ones right now

[Brianna3]

Hi I'm new and unfortunately didn't know SPIKE was televising UM until just recently so I can't remember a lot of the names.

The story of Rain boy - the one where evil seems to lurk around this one fellow and rain falls in the house hes staying and the jail cell hes' in. This episode really scared me especially about the drops going sideways ...etc...

The sighting of the naked woman on the side of the road but when investigated is in fact a car accident where a little boy was close to death yet no naked woman was found. His mother was still strapped in her seat fully clothed and dead on impact.


also the boys on the tracks.

[7hurricane]

Hi Brianna welcome. Love the name its very similar to mine!

[Zlatko]

Does anyone remember the segment about the model from Florida? She went to some party, went home, and became paranoid about someone being after her. She was supposed to have stared in Scarface. That case was baffling.

[TracyLynnS]

Zlatko, was that Tammy Leppert? The young blonde woman who went missing in the early 80s?

[MegtheEgg86]

For me, it's a big tie between Blair Adams and Aileen Conway.

[7hurricane]

Aileen Conway refresh my memory please

[MegtheEgg86]

It was one of the earlier segments. Aileen Conway was an Oklahoma housewife who was found deceased in her burning car on a lonely local backroad in April 1986. There was an unusual amount of strange circumstances surrounding her death, mainly the scene at her house. It looked as though she had just "up and left" as it were, for no apparent reason, and had even left behind her purse, an iron turned on, a garden hose running in the pool, and the bathroom phone off the hook, just to name a few things. Also, she had never been on that backroad before and had no known reason to have been out there.

[Zlatko]

Zlatko, was that Tammy Leppert? The young blonde woman who went missing in the early 80s?Yes, that's the name of the model. For some reason, it just slipped my mind. Thanks for jotting my memory. To this day, it gives me chills to think what Tammy saw that could freak her out like that. Creepy, and baffling case.

[Big3sCompanyFan]

What do you think has been the most baffling mystery ever shown on UM?

The mystery that mystifies me is the one about Frederick Valentic. He was the young, Australian pilot who disappeared in 1978 while flying his plane. Before he disappeared, he contacted an airport saying that a strange green light was floating around his plane, and at one point the green light got really close and his plane started shaking. Frederick's last radio transmission was "it's hovering and it's not an aircraft". There were eyewitnesses that saw the green thing above the plane. Everyone thought that Frederick had crashed and there was an extensive search for him and nothing was ever found. Some people believe that the green light might of been an UFO and that Frederick was abducted and taken into space.

That case has me really wondering whatever became of Federick Valentic and where he could be.

WOW, that's a great one and I can't think of any that would be better than that. I don't think I've seen that so have they re-aired that on Spike yet?

I would list Amy Billig who was abducted by bikers and he mom spent her entire life searching for until sadly she died. I don't think anyone knows exactly what happened to her although there have been confessions but the veracity has been questioned.

Even more mysterious would be the Springfield 3 who were just abducted and vanished without a trace. Did UM profile them or was that only on 48 Hours?

[Mastermind]

IMHO the most baffling cases are:

1. Circleville Writer(you couldn;t make up a case like that!)
2. Ayleen Conway
3. Blair Adams (there is way more to the case than meets the eye)
4. The Wackers
5. Friends till the End
6. Cindy James
7. Dakota Double Deaths
8. Tammy Leppert


Circleville Writer takes the cake in baffling cases. I would love to see a movie made of the case.

[VikingsGal]

IMHO the most baffling cases are:

1. Circleville Writer(you couldn;t make up a case like that!)
2. Ayleen Conway
3. Blair Adams (there is way more to the case than meets the eye)
4. The Wackers
5. Friends till the End
6. Cindy James
7. Dakota Double Deaths
8. Tammy Leppert


Circleville Writer takes the cake in baffling cases. I would love to see a movie made of the case.

I agree the Circleville Writers is the most baffling. That was an odd one for sure! I must respectfull dissgree, though, about the Dakota Double Deaths. I really think that was simply a case of two people (possibly drunk which impaired their thinking) who left an accident to get help and succumbed to the cold. As far as the police saying they had searched the area, well, police make mistakes, too.

The Wackers was another puzzler. I am not sure who was messing with them.

I would like to add the Larry Race case to the list. I just bumped a thread about him on another thread. Did he do it or didn't he?

And Blair Adams - was he the Canadien who was found dead in Memphis or Knoxville with foreign money?

[TracyLynnS]

Circleville Writer takes the cake in baffling cases. I would love to see a movie made of the case.

Wow! Does it ever take the cake! What a crazy case!

Whenever I saw that segment, I always took it at face value and never really thought about it in depth. Then I started coming here and learning to look at things with more of a detective's eye. That case is strange and has so many levels.... and not everyone is telling the truth, that's for sure.

Like you, I think it's definitely interesting enough to warrant a full two hour movie.

[MegtheEgg86]

And Blair Adams - was he the Canadien who was found dead in Memphis or Knoxville with foreign money?

Blair Adams was indeed found in Knoxville, just a few miles away from my home. The hotel and gas station he visited are still there.

[7hurricane]

Definately Blair Adams. The whole thing was strange...his actions before traveling to the States....the way he got here w/ the plane tickets...and then ending up in TN and murdered. I wish this one could be solved.

[MJ1986]

I'm new here :)

The 2 that baffle me are Blair Adams and the 2 Unexplained Deaths in Lake Andes, South Dakota

[cuba_libre]

Welcome MJ1986!:)

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That Blair Adams case has me baffled, too! One that was jaw-dropping for some reason to me was Cam(illa) Lyman. S/he was the transgender dog breeder. The transition wasn't the shocker for me, but that Cam took the same pills s/he fed her dogs. And the circumstances under which she disappeared and was found dead were simply bizarre....

[crystaldawn]

I'm new here :)



Welcome! :)

I've always thought the Curtis Pishon and Charles Horvath cases were baffling. Also Perman Gilbert in that who would have wanted him dead and strange the way his body was found.

[Todd Mueller]

The most baffling to me, in no particular order, were:

1. Aphrodisiacs
2. The Lucky Rock
3. Marie Hilley (who poisoned her family???)
4. Alan Mann (how'd he get married???)
5. Alcatraz (the UM swimmer made it so why didn't the convicts???)
















OK. For real...

1. Charles Morgan
2. The "Casey Nicole"
3. David Stone
4. John Cheek
5. Laura Bible and Ashley Freeman

[MJ1986]

Thanks all...

I'm so glad it's on Spike.. for now!

[Corky Kneivel]

MY MOST BAFFLING BAFFLERS


...at least what I can think of right now...




Blair Adams – this is truly the most baffling case. Even if you surmise that he was mentally ill and his panic and danger and threats of being killed were all imagined…he still, some how ends up murdered at the end of his cross-continent trek. And not murdered in a random “coulda been anyone” accident, but rather in a very bizarre and very specific fashion.

Matt Flores

Dave Merrifield

I-35/I-70 killer – how has this guy not been caught?

Ralph Probst

Kurt Sova

The poor kid travelling from Alaska who was then murdered by a hitchhiker. The hitchhiker then stalls the car out and signals for roadside assistance, and ends up sleeping the night in a good samaritan’s basement. As an aside from how bizarre the story was, that segment is my personal favorite just due to the awesome shot of the car driving that long stretch of barren road towards that majestic mountain in the distance. Bee-yoo-tuh-full shot.

The Seattle area real estate developer murdered in the home he was showing. There’s another case like that somewhere in Colorado, I believe.

The awfully strange one about the EMS guy’s brother. The story of the gun in that one is almost literally unbelievable.

How the samhill Judy Groezinger isn’t locked up for the murder of her husband Mark.

How anyone thinks Tony Lombardi was murdered. :confused:

[Mastermind]

That Blair Adams case has me baffled, too! One that was jaw-dropping for some reason to me was Cam(illa) Lyman. S/he was the transgender dog breeder. The transition wasn't the shocker for me, but that Cam took the same pills s/he fed her dogs. And the circumstances under which she disappeared and was found dead were simply bizarre....

Didn't they have a suspect in the guy that started taking over her business?

I think the issue in that case was that they don;t have enough evidence to convict him. It wasa well planned and thought out murder. (Probably done with assistance from a third party)

The Seattle area real estate developer murdered in the home he was showing. There’s another case like that somewhere in Colorado, I believe.

I'm sorry. There have been so many murdered realtor cases on UM over the years I'm not sure which one your referring too.

I swear there must be something avout that profession that brings out the worst in people!:lol:

[PracTz]

OK, there's a few not mentioned so far that still puzzle me:
1. The 80-something African-American retired minister who was due to retrieve his wife from the Nashville bus station but somehow wound up confused in a small Tennessee town where he was seen by a store clerk asking about his wife. Later his old car was seen driving up a steep dirt road but when it was later found, there was no sign of him but there were piles of stacked wood in the backseat which all his friends say he would have been totally OOC for him due to his keeping his car spotless. His poor wife died a few years later and I've never heard that there's ever been any sign of him found or any clues as to what became of him some 20 years later!
2. If the 'Judy Hines is alive and she lives in Omaha' caller had no links to her actual fate, why did she(?) go to the trouble of tracking down a Florida police officer who'd just spoken in Omaha a few weeks earlier?
3. Who killed Chaim Weiss in the Yeshiva school,what could have been his motivation and did anyone else at the school help cover up the guilty party's tracks?

[justins5256]

How anyone thinks Tony Lombardi was murdered. :confused:

Them's fighting words, Corky :eek:

[Corky Kneivel]

Them's fighting words, Corky :eek:



**does Tweetie-bird voice** I'm a baaaaaaad boooooooy....

[FanfromES]

[QUOTE=Todd Mueller]The most baffling to me, in no particular order, were:

1. Aphrodisiacs
2. The Lucky Rock
3. Marie Hilley (who poisoned her family???)
4. Alan Mann (how'd he get married???) LOL :lol:
5. Alcatraz (the UM swimmer made it so why didn't the convicts???)


My 5:

1. Tara Calico
2. Zodiac
3. The nuclear processing plant worker whose remains were found in a furnace.
4. Angela Hammond
5. The man who looked for his lost twin.

[Mastermind]

3. The nuclear processing plant worker whose remains were found in a furnace.

I kind of look at the case in the same way i look at the Danny Casoloro murder and the Robert Hammerick murder.

I think it's pretty obvious who did it. It's really a question of whether they will ever really be able to convict those responsible.

[VikingsGal]

What? No one thinks the African Fertility Statues were the biggest mystery? They want to report how many women became pregnant by touching them but they neglect to report the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of women who have touched them and did not become pregnant.

[atomicfizz]

1. Franklin Delano Floyd/Sharon
2. Zodiac
3. Tami Lynn Leppert
4. Angela Hammond
5. Tara Calico

[TracyLynnS]

What? No one thinks the African Fertility Statues were the biggest mystery? They want to report how many women became pregnant by touching them but they neglect to report the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of women who have touched them and did not become pregnant.

Don't forget about the millions of women who mysteriously became pregnant without ever touching one of those statues. UM needs to do a new segment on what's causing that phenomena.

(hmmm... I guess Spike is the perfect network for UM afterall.)

[VikingsGal]

Don't forget about the millions of women who mysteriously became pregnant without ever touching one of those statues. UM needs to do a new segment on what's causing that phenomena.

(hmmm... I guess Spike is the perfect network for UM afterall.)

Maybe Bob and his "chubby Santa?"

[atomicfizz]

Maybe Bob and his "chubby Santa?"


LMAO!!!! I would always hear that commercial in the background and then one day I actually watched it!! Whoa.:lol:

[TracyLynnS]

I can't believe enzyte is still being marketed. Last year the owner of the company and even his mommy were convicted of mail fraud, credit card fraud, and a bunch of other stuff.

How can there still be enough gullible people out there buying that mix of ginko and vitamins to pay the bill to keep that commercial airing every 15 minutes?

[mattc]

I know I'm coming late to this topic, but it's a great one: A lot of the ones listed are great examples. I always thought the Australian UFO case was incredibly haunting. "It's hovering and it's not an airplaine." How crazy is THAT!!!!!

William Bradford Bishop: Alive, dead? What caused him to do it?
The Billig Case always baffled me.
Nyleen Kay Marshall... Did she die in the woods? The letters?

SO many, many more... Off topic, I love these posts, but that Michael Savage avitar is kind of creeping me out. I guess a UM forum is the only place where we can see an Etelle Getty dedication signature (a gay rights advocate) and a Michael Savage avitar (a homophobic blank) conversing peacefully! I guess that's a good thing.

[nohwheregirl]

SO many, many more... Off topic, I love these posts, but that Michael Savage avitar is kind of creeping me out. I guess a UM forum is the only place where we can see an Etelle Getty dedication signature (a gay rights advocate) and a Michael Savage avitar (a homophobic blank) conversing peacefully! I guess that's a good thing.
We do our best to stay out of political discussions around here. They have erupted in the past, but most of us have moved on. Many of us know where each other stand politically and many of us disagree, but we try to keep the discussion on UM-related topics. Welcome! :wave:

[Mastermind]

Nyleen Kay Marshall... Did she die in the woods? The letters?

The letter IMHO is a fake. I don;t think Nyleen Marshall is dead. If you look at the segmengt again the composite was of a man and a woman. This leads more to the possibility that Nyleen was kidnapped to become the couples child.

[Hambone2421]

I have several that are baffling but my top 3 are:

1. Keith Warren - its obvious this kid didn't kill himself but who killed him and why?

2. Eric Tamiyasu - my favorite case on UM. We've discussed it at length on this board and there are several directions you could point toward. I would most like to see this case solved.

3. Megan Curl - this happened close to where I live. Several stories and rumors have circulated. I would love to find out the truth.

[Big3sCompanyFan]

They just showed a 20/20 yesterday on Vanishings and they showed Kristin Modaferri and that has got to be most mysterious disappearance EVER!!

She literally vanished into this air and NO ONE ever saw or heard what happened to her.

Some detective said she feels Kristin was swept out to sea by a freak wave along San Fransisco bay BUT if that really happened that often wouldn't we hear about people disappearing like that before??

[burbqueen]

the kristen modaferri has a suspect named jon. There is no evidence pointing to him, but he is the best suspect out there. I believe he killed her.

[Big3sCompanyFan]

the kristen modaferri has a suspect named jon. There is no evidence pointing to him, but he is the best suspect out there. I believe he killed her.

I think you could be getting mixed up with another case since they showed last night there were no suspects at all.

You may be thinking of Kristin Smart or Elizabeth Smart or someone else.

Please provide a link as corroboration.

[soilentgreen]

I think you could be getting mixed up with another case since they showed last night there were no suspects at all.

You may be thinking of Kristin Smart or Elizabeth Smart or someone else.

Please provide a link as corroboration.

It's Jon Onuma:

http://www.findkristen.com/OnumaCallsDennis.html

On the same site, it mentions that as of July 2007 the police were no longer focusing on him as a suspect.

[themaninblack]

to me the most baffling case is that of the disappearande of the Sarah Joe, which disappeared off the coast of Hawaii and drifted thousands of miles to some distant atoll. It would have taken the boat 3 months to drift, but the government made of a survey of the atoll and found no boat, However, 6 years later the boat was found on the island along with the remains of one of the crew. The only evidence they found besides the boat was some paper bound in a book that had a square cut in the middle of every page.

[Big3sCompanyFan]

to me the most baffling case is that of the disappearande of the Sarah Joe, which disappeared off the coast of Hawaii and drifted thousands of miles to some distant atoll. It would have taken the boat 3 months to drift, but the government made of a survey of the atoll and found no boat, However, 6 years later the boat was found on the island along with the remains of one of the crew. The only evidence they found besides the boat was some paper bound in a book that had a square cut in the middle of every page.

WOW...that does sound interesting. I'd like to see that episode but I don't recall it ever being on UM. Was it and if so about what year? Are they repeating it on SPIKE?

[sdb4884]

Kurt Sova, Michael Rosenblum, George Owens, Freddy Valentic, AJ Breaux.

My favourite UM stories because of their baffling disappearences.

[Apostapler]

Kurt Sova, Michael Rosenblum, George Owens, Freddy Valentic, AJ Breaux.

My favourite UM stories because of their baffling disappearences.

Agreed. Disappearances are always creepy to me.

Tim Molnar...they found him, but what in the world was he doing so far away from home? And he had been found within a short time of going missing but unidentified for years.

Blair Adams...already been said but one of the weirdest ever!

[sdb4884]

Agreed. Disappearances are always creepy to me.

Tim Molnar...they found him, but what in the world was he doing so far away from home? And he had been found within a short time of going missing but unidentified for years.

Blair Adams...already been said but one of the weirdest ever!

You can add the Clarence Roberts deaths to that list as well. That story had everything.

I also enjoy researching whether or not the cases are solved (This forum rocks!)

[Big3sCompanyFan]

to me the most baffling case is that of the disappearande of the Sarah Joe, which disappeared off the coast of Hawaii and drifted thousands of miles to some distant atoll. It would have taken the boat 3 months to drift, but the government made of a survey of the atoll and found no boat, However, 6 years later the boat was found on the island along with the remains of one of the crew. The only evidence they found besides the boat was some paper bound in a book that had a square cut in the middle of every page.

Fairly recent article on the Sarah Joe.

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/514727.html

Absolutely MEGA BAFFLING. Boat goes so far then almost a DECADE later the find the boat on an uninhabitaed island and the the only survivor is buried with a grave marker but WHO buried him??!?? No one knows!!

Where are the other 4 survivors?? No one knows?? How long did they live after their fishing trip?? No one knows that either!!

[truthbtold]

It's gotta be Circleville letters for me.

[xxxxmattxxxx69]

Robert Joos(sp?) and Timothy Cooms. Joos appeared in silhouette because of his disagreeing views with the local PD. Then Timothy Cooms tries to snipe the cop that arrested Joos earlier. Timothy Cooms has been on the run for 15 years.

And the case of Michael Scott Martin who in 1991(I think) was wrongly convicted of armed robbery in Texas based on the eyewitness testimony of the clerk and that the getaway car was found in a building parking lot that he moved out of a month prior but 5 of his neighbors placed him a good hour hour away from the robbery. No money was ever recovered and the weapon was never found

[Big3sCompanyFan]

It's gotta be Circleville letters for me.

When I first saw this I thought it was a UFO case!! :lol:

[Hambone2421]

The Most Baffling in my opinion are:

1. Eric Tamiyasu - 3 prime suspects, two of which I could see being the killer. I would love to know what really happened.

2. Wendy Camp - everyone knows Chad Noe and his family is responsible. The baffling part to me is how they have gotten away with it for so long.

3. Megan Curl - Lufkin, Tx is right off highway 59, which is a major highway. I honestly beleive her killer was a trucker in town for the night and I doubt he's ever found.

4. Michael Reimer - is he alive or was he killed? If he is alive, did he kill his wife and dropoff the kid at the department store?

5. Dale Kerstetter - was he in on it or was he innocent? was he murdered?

6. Michael Emert - mafia hit? thrill kill? jealous co-worker?

[Mastermind]

1. Eric Tamiyasu - 3 prime suspects, two of which I could see being the killer. I would love to know what really happened.

To make it even more baffling, it's very possibly that none of the three suspects are guilty. That there may be a completely different suspect out there.

[Corky Kneivel]

to me the most baffling case is that of the disappearande of the Sarah Joe, which disappeared off the coast of Hawaii and drifted thousands of miles to some distant atoll. It would have taken the boat 3 months to drift, but the government made of a survey of the atoll and found no boat, However, 6 years later the boat was found on the island along with the remains of one of the crew. The only evidence they found besides the boat was some paper bound in a book that had a square cut in the middle of every page.


What do you make of that booklet they found buried? Wasn't there some foil in between the pages? I've htought it might be soem type of crude signaling device, meant to reflect light to passing boats.

I've also wondered why the Stackmeister General mentions the "partial remains" of the buried body.

[Apostapler]

What do you make of that booklet they found buried? Wasn't there some foil in between the pages? I've htought it might be soem type of crude signaling device, meant to reflect light to passing boats.

I've also wondered why the Stackmeister General mentions the "partial remains" of the buried body.

I thought something similar, that its purpose was that it was reflective. I can't understand why it would be in multiple pages and in small pieces, though. It's weird.

However, I was thinking about Chinese superstitions and Feng Shui. Mirrors ward off evil spirits and bad energy. Perhaps if it was Chinese fisherman who found the body, they buried it with those pages to ward off evil.

As far as partial remains, if his body was found with the wreckage years later, partial may have been all that was there to be buried by passing fishermen or whoever found him.

[Corkys-Place]

I'm new here :)

The 2 that baffle me are Blair Adams and the 2 Unexplained Deaths in Lake Andes, South Dakota

Which case was this? (2 unexplained deaths in Lake in SD) :rolleyes:

[crystaldawn]

Which case was this? (2 unexplained deaths in Lake in SD) :rolleyes:

Creepy avatar....:eek:

I think that is the Ruby Brugier and Arnold Archambeau case. They are the teen parents who got in a car accident and bodies were found months later in different states of decomposition.

[MissFit29]

What about Dexter Stefonek? It took a long time for his body to be found, and it was quite a ways from the rest stop. Also, what was the motive? I don't think the scenario played out anything like the theory UM presented.

[Corky Kneivel]

What about Dexter Stefonek? It took a long time for his body to be found, and it was quite a ways from the rest stop. Also, what was the motive? I don't think the scenario played out anything like the theory UM presented.

How do you see it going?


Apostapler: Wow...I never even thought of that, someone else burying remians they found and burying that along with the body. Very interesting. I had intially thought maybe his compatriots were forced to result to cannibalism so there wasn't a full body to bury. The hell is wrong with me, lol?

[Prodigy]

Circleville Writer
Cindy James
Frederick Valentic
L'enfant (sp?)
DB Cooper

I'd have to say they're my top 5..

Does anyone have a video link to the Blair Adams case? Sounds very interesting...

[rhzunam]

Sarah Joe is the most baffling to me.

DB Cooper is also really baffling especially because of the buried money being found.

[RobertStax]

Circleville Writer
Cindy James
Frederick Valentic
L'enfant (sp?)
DB Cooper

I'd have to say they're my top 5..

Does anyone have a video link to the Blair Adams case? Sounds very interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVAxSH92s4M&feature=related

For me

Cindy James
Jaclyn Dowaliby
Michael Riemer
Kurt Sova

Really torn on all of those.

[Drakken]

3. Megan Curl - this happened close to where I live. Several stories and rumors have circulated. I would love to find out the truth.

Interesting. Could you tell us more about these rumors? If I judge from the segment, it seems like a seance of kinky rough sex going bad, ending in her death, and the guy putting her on fire in a fit of panic to destroy the evidence. :confused:

[Hambone2421]

Interesting. Could you tell us more about these rumors? If I judge from the segment, it seems like a seance of kinky rough sex going bad, ending in her death, and the guy putting her on fire in a fit of panic to destroy the evidence. :confused:

I think I mentioned it on the board for her case but Lufkin is a small town around 90 miles east of where I live. Its right off highway 59 which is a huge traveling and shipping highway. In fact, Lufkin is the biggest city on 59 between Houston and Dallas. My personal theory is that an out of towner came in for the night, went to the bar, met Megan, went back to her apt, etc.. '

The rough sex gone bad is a possibility but I don't buy into that idea because if that was the case whats the point of putting the bag over her head, cutting her throat and burning the body. You wouldn't need to do all of that if it was a simple case of rough sex gone bad. I personally think it was consensual sex and that he planned to kill her all along. I also believe he burned her body to hide any possible DNA of his that may have been left.


I live a few hours southwest of Lufkin and I've said this before; this kind of thing doesn't happen up there very often, so I wonder if maybe the detectives aren't trained well enough in this type of crime to solve it and may have missed some clues at the beginning that could have been useful. For instance, possible surveillance tapes at the apartment or clubs Megan visited that night that could have possibly caught the license plate of the killer or maybe even a glimpse of the killer that could have been posted around town or on the news to see if anyone recognizes him. The first club she was at, The Electric Cowboy, has since been torn down, so there wont be anything new coming from there.

[Steve W.]

As far as the Kurt Sova case, someone needs to find his friend that he supposedly went to the party with on 10/23/81, Samuel Carroll, at least two of the people that lived at the duplex that the party was at, Debbie Sams and Clayton Sams, and Kurt's supposed girlfriend at the time that he was hanging out with earlier in the day (her name was never mentioned, but was talked about in an article related to the case) and sit them down and have an in-depth conversation with all of them about what happened that night and in the 5 days that followed.

Then maybe that could lead to finding out who the "crazy from Detroit" would be.