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Jenya
10-15-2004, 02:44 PM
'Pit Bulls - Banned,' Ontario Says
Current owners may keep pets but they must be leashed, muzzled, neutered or spayed, legislation will say

CANADIAN PRESS (http://www.cp.org/)

October 15, 2004

Outrage over a spate of vicious pit bull attacks across Ontario this summer has prompted the province to ban the breed with a bad reputation.

"Pit bulls - banned," Attorney General Michael Bryant said today as he announced that legislation would be introduced within a month, the first such provincial law in Canada.

"We are banning pit bulls in Ontario."

If passed, the proposed legislation would allow current owners of the fierce, squat dogs to keep their pets, but they will face ``severe restrictions."

"They will be muzzled, they must be leashed and they must be neutered or spayed," Bryant said.

Under the new law, fines would double to $10,000 and jail sentences of up to six months would be allowed for irresponsible owners of all dog breeds.

The move follows several months of informal meetings between Bryant and groups on either side of the pit bull debate.

Bryant said he's heard enough to be convinced the dogs are ``ticking time bombs" and "inherently dangerous animals."

"For every family that tells me their pit bull is a pussycat, I'd like to introduce them to the family in Sudbury who regretted that judgment," Bryant said during an impassioned speech.

"I'd like to introduce people who say pit bulls are like any other dog to the mother in Etobicoke who was playing in her backyard with her kids and her pet only to have the neighbouring pit bull knock her fence over and the 150-pound beast charged her kids."

A number of serious attacks in the province prompted Bryant's consultations, including one "that horrified Ontarians" when two dogs severely mauled a Toronto man.

The man was "practically eaten alive from the ankles up," Bryant said.

"Police officers had to use more than a dozen bullets to put these pit bulls down. These are dangerous animals - enough is enough," he said.

"We cannot have these animals walking the streets, the fields or the family rooms of Ontario."

Louise Ellis, whose now 15-year-old daughter Lauren still bears the scars where she was bitten in the face by a pit bull when she was five, said banning the dogs is the only way to ensure they can't attack more people.

"It's the right thing do," she said.

The legislation would make it easier for animal control officials and police to obtain a warrant to enter premises where a dangerous dog has been reported, Bryant said.

Liz White, director of Animal Alliance, said all dangerous dogs should be dealt with, not just pit bulls.

White questioned how the ban and restrictions on the pit bull breed will be enforced, suggesting it just won't work.

"I think this is really just a bad piece of legislation," she said. "I think it could be fixed up by taking the pit bull ban out and just dealing with dangerous animals."

A large number of dogs that pose a threat to public safety are those used by criminals as protection, not family pets, White said.

"To ban every single pit bull is not the way to go."

White said it's also difficult to determine exactly what constitutes a pit bull, since it's a crossbreed. She fears that innocent animals will be turned in to animal shelters and will have to be euthanized.

Bryant denied that will happen. He said he believes most pit bull owners don't want to give up their dogs and that hasn't been the experience in other jurisdictions that have implemented a ban.

In Ontario, a number of municipalities, including Kitchener and Windsor, have banned pit bulls. Winnipeg also has a ban on the breed.

Bryant said similar bans are in place in France, Britain and Germany.

SOURCE: Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1097833556419&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154)

James"Thunder"Early
10-15-2004, 02:47 PM
smart idea, these dogs are too dangerous to keep as pets

I am Him
10-15-2004, 03:00 PM
:clap

ABlairican Pie
10-15-2004, 03:11 PM
I feel like I live on the pit bull crapitol of the West Coast, everyone seems to love the hell out of these monsters because of their "outlaw" status--all the "bad boys" got to have'em. I say get them the hell out of here, let's get some family-friendly dogs around.:mad: I got bit by a rambunctious dog almost 20 years ago, and I can't imagine what it would be like if these beasts attacked a child or an elderly or ill person.:(

Golden Retrievers
Cocker Spaniels
Cairns
Lhasa Apsos

all work great.:cool:

Chambers
10-15-2004, 03:18 PM
I'm glad they're letting owners keep their pets. The restrictions will hopefully be enough so that they don't have to kill off these animals. Although...they are essentially killing them off by having them neutered or spayed. It's obviously not a perfect piece of legislation, but I guess it's good enough for now.

Jenya
10-15-2004, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Chambers
I'm glad they're letting owners keep their pets. The restrictions will hopefully be enough so that they don't have to kill off these animals. Although...they are essentially killing them off by having them neutered or spayed. It's obviously not a perfect piece of legislation, but I guess it's good enough for now.

I'm wondering if some owners will challenge this new law in the Ontario Supreme Court. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens real soon.

Brian
10-15-2004, 05:44 PM
Last weekend I played with a Pit Bull and I swear they are extremely muscular. The one I was with was a female and a good one. But if there was a mean one with similar characteristics there's no telling what it would do. :eek:

The Modfather
10-15-2004, 06:03 PM
Im glad, I live in Ontario and I'm sick of hearing of all the pit bull attacks in Toronto. Its terrible ohno:

Jenya
10-15-2004, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by The Modfather
Im glad, I live in Ontario and I'm sick of hearing of all the pit bull attacks in Toronto. Its terrible ohno:

Hey! How did you ban yourself? :confused: :cool:

I want to try something. :p

Brian
10-15-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Jenya
Hey! How did you ban yourself? :confused: :cool:


He changed his user title (the words below his user name)

Jenya
10-15-2004, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by Brian
He changed his user title (the words below his user name)

Dammit!! :mad:

It won't make myself a Moderator here. It worked on the other board.. :D

robyrob
10-15-2004, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Brian
He changed his user title (the words below his user name) when i changed mine to "banned" about a year ago it got reset like 2 days

barwars
10-15-2004, 08:36 PM
Wow, Canadians actually do something smart for once.

Jrnygrl
10-15-2004, 09:07 PM
I'm glad the Canadians are stopping the owning of these devil dogs.

Just recently two pits attacked a cat in my neighbors driveway. I mean they just tore this cat apart. No one dare stop them because of the fear of being attacked.

And just about three weeks ago a woman in Calif. was sitting in her car, waiting for her friend to run an errand. The woman had a small dog sitting in her lap. She did not live in the area so she was not aware that there was a pitbull, that jumped a fence, then jumped into her car to attack the little dog, but the little dog got away and the pitbull attacked the woman. Once again no one could come to her rescue for fear of the dog. And the owner of the dog had the nerve to say it was the womans fault that the dog attacked her. Now I ask you if I am sitting, not moving minding my own business and a dog attacks me is that my fault?????

I say hooray for Canada!!!!!:cheers: :clap: :banana: :clap :nod: :yeahthat

The Modfather
10-15-2004, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by barwars
Wow, Canadians actually do something smart for once.

You sir, are an ass.

barwars
10-15-2004, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by The Modfather
You sir, are an ass.

eh?

Hollow
10-15-2004, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by The Modfather
You sir, are an ass.
I'm not even canadian and it pisses me off when people talk about how 'stupid' canadians are. it's no different than calling people with another ethnicity or sexual preference stupid, and they'd certainly go off at people for that.

Chambers
10-15-2004, 09:20 PM
Whoa...nobody can make fun of Canadians anymore??
I didn't get the memo.

Chambers
10-15-2004, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by safety pin
I'm not even canadian and it pisses me off when people talk about how 'stupid' canadians are. it's no different than calling people with another ethnicity or sexual preference stupid, and they'd certainly go off at people for that.

The situation actually is very different. People don't oppress blondes or Canadians in real life. They really are just jokes.

Jenya
10-15-2004, 09:59 PM
Come on, Guys. Don't mess up my thread. Please stick to the subject. :(

Jenya
10-15-2004, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Chambers
Whoa...nobody can make fun of Canadians anymore??
I didn't get the memo.

Sure you can. But please start a fresh new thread if you don't mind. :)

crystals
10-16-2004, 01:34 AM
I'm glad that pitbulls are banned in Ontario. I hope the rest of Canada follows that province's example.

ABlairican Pie
10-16-2004, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Jenya
Sure you can. But please start a fresh new thread if you don't mind. :) Yeah, I agree, how in the world can Canada be a lousy country?? :confused:
One of the greatest bands on the planet, RUSH, is from there.:cool:

Janice
10-16-2004, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Chambers
Whoa...nobody can make fun of Canadians anymore??
I didn't get the memo.
Nobody is allowed to make fun of anyone. Now you know.

barwars
10-16-2004, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Janice
Nobody is allowed to make fun of anyone. Now you know.

Michael Jackson

we can all make fun of Michael Jackson.








Hell, I think Michael Jackson makes fun of himself.

Hollow
10-16-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by Chambers
The situation actually is very different. People don't oppress blondes or Canadians in real life. They really are just jokes.
some do seriously talk about how stupid canadians are, and whether or not they're joking i'm sure they'd freak out if someone made fun of gays or black people, etc.