Should Vicious Pets Be Banned?

[Jenya]

I've been reading quite of bit of news about it. Especially across the provincial border in Ontario. :eek:

No big public out cries about violent pets here in Quebec, though.

One Woman's War
DOG ATTACK VICTIM WANTS A BAN ON VICIOUS PETS

By JASON BOTCHFORD
Toronto Sun (http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/09/16/631000.html)

Thursday September 16, 2004

SCARRED FOR life after being savaged by a stray Rottweiler, Jackie Riley is determined to get all dogs like that eliminated from Ontario. The 47-year-old Niagara Falls grandmother delivered a letter yesterday to Queen's Park explaining the dangerous nature of pit bulls and Rottweilers.

"I don't want anyone to forget the trauma I've gone through," Riley said. "I don't want people to forget the horrific attacks we've seen in this province in the past. There's no need for pit bulls or Rottweilers unless someone is a cop or a border patrolman.

ILL-TEMPERED

"The fact is if one of these dogs has a bad temperament you just don't stand a chance. That's what I've learned," she said.

In 1992, Riley was attacked by an animal that tore off her nose, ripped her breast open and cut her ear in half. She said after seven operations (she needs two more) she still gets bloody noses, headaches and nightmares.

"Nobody is doing anything about it and people have to realize that if pit bulls and Rottweilers get in the wrong hands and they're not controlled properly, they are a potentially deadly threat to everyone -- but especially children," she said. "And generally the people who want to own these types of dogs are not the best owners."

It didn't take much for her to persuade her friend Martha Miller, even though she's had a Rottweiler for years.

FEARS HER PET

"There are times I'm scared of Toby," Miller said when asked about her 8-year-old dog. "He will growl at me. I don't feel pit bulls and Rottweilers should be house pets, especially with a young child around. If a young child turns the wrong way, or hits the dog in the wrong way they could be terribly injured or even killed."

Riley said she is an example of what can happen.

"The attack completely changed my life," Riley said. "I lost time with my daughter and my grandchildren. The dog virtually ate my nose off and I was just trying to go to the store to buy some milk."

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/09/16/16tor2.jpg
Jackie Riley, scarred for life in a dog
attack, is determined to rid the province
of all potentially violent dogs, like
her friend's Rottweiler, Toby.
(SUN/Fred Thronhill)

[Brian]

I think if a dog is extremely vicious and cannot be rehabilitated or helped, I believe it should be put to sleep.

[ThirteenInchEscape]

god, my Rotweiler is like the sweetest dog of all time

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

I, for one, do not believe animals should be put to sleep because of their breed. Housepets or not they are still animals and needed to be treated carefully. Yeah pitbulls and such may have a bigger reputation for being rough, but it all depends how you raise them too. And any parent who lets their kids play with a dog is just stupid anyways. They should know that kids tend to get out of hand, then theyre the ones blaming the dog. If you have a 'vicious' dog then put the thing on a leash or have it in a pen and keep it away from kids! Common sense people.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Any mean behavior in animals is people's fault. To put it to sleep or ban it is just terrible in my opinion. Human beings are an awful species :(

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by ¤I Love Clay Aiken¤
I, for one, do not believe animals should be put to sleep because of their breed. Housepets or not they are still animals and needed to be treated carefully. Yeah pitbulls and such may have a bigger reputation for being rough, but it all depends how you raise them too. And any parent who lets their kids play with a dog is just stupid anyways. They should know that kids tend to get out of hand, then theyre the ones blaming the dog. If you have a 'vicious' dog then put the thing on a leash or have it in a pen and keep it away from kids! Common sense people. I have younger cousins who practically beat the **** out of animals. Of course they're only young and don't know, but the dog is only protecting itself and doesn't KNOW that the kid isn't really meaning to hurt it.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by *A TV People*
I have younger cousins who practically beat the **** out of animals. Of course they're only young and don't know, but the dog is only protecting itself and doesn't KNOW that the kid isn't really meaning to hurt it. Exactly. And what I dont get is how a person will be in the woods or whatever, get attacked by a bear and demand it be put to sleep. First off, they shouldnt have been wandering in the damn woods, and second a bear is a wild animal and cant be controled. People think Im nuts, but Ive always said that if I were ever attacked or bit by an animal, I wouldnt have it be put to sleep. Odds are it was probably my fault anyways :lol:. But even if it wasnt, Id never forgive myself for being the reason of an animals death. I get emotional seeing roadkill.:(

[Jrnygrl]

Dogs are very unpredictable, and I hate it when dog owners say he won't bite or hurt you, and my thought is, no he won't hurt you but I am a stranger and its instict is to attack. So I say yes they should be banned.

Too many people, especially where I live, breed pitbulls and rotweillers to be weapons and put fear into people and it is not fair that I cannot walk down the street without seeing one that has been abandon and not knowing how it was raised. I can't allow my niece to go outside without the fear that some stray will come upon her and attack.

I am usually liberal in alot of things, but this should be a law.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by ¤I Love Clay Aiken¤
Exactly. And what I dont get is how a person will be in the woods or whatever, get attacked by a bear and demand it be put to sleep. First off, they shouldnt have been wandering in the damn woods, and second a bear is a wild animal and cant be controled. People think Im nuts, but Ive always said that if I were ever attacked or bit by an animal, I wouldnt have it be put to sleep. Odds are it was probably my fault anyways :lol:. But even if it wasnt, Id never forgive myself for being the reason of an animals death. I get emotional seeing roadkill.:( Yeah, I'm the same way. I even try to protect bugs. People act like it's THEIR world and if things are against THEM that it's wrong in everyway. That bothers me so much -_-

[I am Him]

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
god, my Rotweiler is like the sweetest dog of all time

Put your feet up folks its getting pretty deep in here.

Rotweilers and Pit Bulls should be banned.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by I am Him
Put your feet up folks its getting pretty deep in here.

Rotweilers and Pit Bulls should be banned. Could ya explain why?

[I am Him]

Originally posted by *A TV People*
Could ya explain why?

Because they love to attack people for no reason.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by I am Him
Because they love to attack people for no reason. Ever think maybe it's their instinct and they don't know better when in fact it's people treating them bad first?

I. Hate. The. Human. Species.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by *A TV People*
Ever think maybe it's their instinct

All the more reason they should be banned.


Originally posted by *A TV People*
when in fact it's people treating them bad first?


nope.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by I am Him
All the more reason they should be banned.




nope. Eh, I won't take this any further. Just better gives me reasons to believe how narrow minded human beings are.

[Chambers]

No, they shouldn't be banned.
There should be regulations about having your dog on a leash, not letting them roam alone, etc. It would suck for many of the pets who like to walk themselves, though.
Think of it this way: you don't just imprison a class or race of people who are prone to be criminals do you?

[dandelion wine]

Originally posted by ¤I Love Clay Aiken¤
I, for one, do not believe animals should be put to sleep because of their breed. Housepets or not they are still animals and needed to be treated carefully. Yeah pitbulls and such may have a bigger reputation for being rough, but it all depends how you raise them too. And any parent who lets their kids play with a dog is just stupid anyways. They should know that kids tend to get out of hand, then theyre the ones blaming the dog. If you have a 'vicious' dog then put the thing on a leash or have it in a pen and keep it away from kids! Common sense people.

My sentiments exactly. :nod:

There was a dog trainer on Animal Planet who had seen many former pet owners who demanded their pets be put to sleep because "they didn't know what to do with them." Or because they had been born a certain way. So the animal deserves to die because you don't want to be responsible, you don't want to put forth any effort? :rolleyes:

[TJL]

I honestly believe that pitbulls are dangerous, no matter how much love and care they are given by an owner.
There's always a story popping up in the New York papers about some family's "sweet, loveable never harmed anyone" pitbull who one day out of the blue tries to bite some kid's head off.

I just don't trust them.

[spunkygirl]

Originally posted by I am Him
Because they love to attack people for no reason.

Ummm so do people :rolleyes:

[Jrnygrl]

Funny this topic should come up. I was watching Judge Judy today, and a mother was suing a man, because he failed to tell the mother who was his neighbor, that his dog reacts violently towards children. The dog bit the child, and the owner felt that he didn't have to tell the mother anything regarding his dog, and that his dog shouldn't be on a leash when children are present. Of course he lost and Judge Judy couldn't believe that he was so arrogant and didn't care. According to the defendant dogs are people too and shouldn't be on a leash. This guy didn't learn a lesson.

And I'm sorry if this affends anyone, but most dog owners and lovers feel the way the guy on Judge Judy feels, that dogs have rights and if you get bitten it must have been your own fault.

[Chambers]

Originally posted by Jrnygrl

And I'm sorry if this affends anyone, but most dog owners and lovers feel the way the guy on Judge Judy feels, that dogs have rights and if you get bitten it must have been your own fault.

Stupid dog owners feel like that. Even though I know my dog doesn't bite, I still take extra precautions when he meets strangers and other dogs.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
And I'm sorry if this affends anyone, but most dog owners and lovers feel the way the guy on Judge Judy feels, that dogs have rights and if you get bitten it must have been your own fault.

Most of the time it IS the person's fault. An animal is just doing what is in their instincts to protect themselves because they feel threatened. I mean if you don't know how to handle a gator you shouldn't walk up to one and pet it. Same for dogs. If you don't know about dogs don't expect them all to be lovey dovey. You are a stranger to them and if they feel threatened they will do the only thing they can to protect themselves, and that is to growl, bark and bite.

I work with 8 gators ranging from 2' to over 10' and 2 snakes that are 4' and 7'. I handle them, I feed them, I weigh them, and I clean up after them. I can honestly say I have NEVER been bitten by any of them. This is not to say I never will because anything with a mouth can bite (including humans). You have to respect the animals and learn to read them about when they start losing their patience.

I've learned to read my snakes and gators so I know when they have had enogh with people and when they are getting too hot. When they get hot they get grumpy fast. So we take them back in and cool them down.

I know there will probably be a day when I will be bitten by either one of the snakes or gators, and it will probably be because I did something to spook them or scare them in some way. Will I be mad at them or resent them? No...I'll be mad at myself and learn from the experience.

Now I"m not saying that there are not just some dogs that are just mean. But the same can be said for humans. Most dogs start off with an open disposition, how they are raised will help to decide their temperment.

My sister has a dog that is a heinze 57 mutt. She has Rotweiler, Doberman, Collie, Chow, and German Shepphard just to name a few (she really is a bit of everything). She has the best temperment for a dog. SHe is a VERY big dog (I call her a miniature horse lol) She was trained from when she was a puppy by some extremely talented trainers and she is the best pet. SHe plays with my niece and nephew all the time. We are with them when they play but we let the kids go out in the backyard by themselves as long as the dogs go with them because she is SO protective of them. SHe doesn't let strangers get inbetween the kids and her. SHe is great with kids...I think that is due to how she was raised.

I think most of it deals with how they are raised and how people treat them after they are grown.

Okay...so I've been rambling on and will probably have people disagree with me...so there you go. You now have the floor whoever.

D

[Hollow]

Originally posted by Jrnygrl
dogs are people
That's... THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!:crying: *the bad guys music in star wars plays*

[crystals]

I think vicious dogs like pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans should be banned. Dogs like those shouldn't be pets if they bite and can kill people. Especially if they hurt children. Put them all to sleep so that someday they will all be extinct.

[Jenya]

I hear some cities and towns in Ontario, are trying to pass a bylaw forcing all dogs to be muzzled when they appear in public. :rolleyes:

[Chambers]

Originally posted by crystals
Put them all to sleep so that someday they will all be extinct.


Are you being sarcastic or are you serious??

[spunkygirl]

Originally posted by crystals
I think vicious dogs like pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans should be banned. Dogs like those shouldn't be pets if they bite and can kill people. Especially if they hurt children. Put them all to sleep so that someday they will all be extinct.

that's very sad. IMO It's attitudes like that is why these animals are treated so horribly. People automatically assume they are killers, they're really not. :(

[Chambers]

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
that's very sad. IMO It's attitudes like that is why these animals are treated so horribly. People automatically assume they are killers, they're really not. :(

Assuming she is serious:

Wouldn't it be a much nicer world if we killed off all of those potentially threatening people before they even got a chance to harm us? Genocide: that's the answer!

[spunkygirl]

Originally posted by Chambers
Assuming she is serious:

Wouldn't it be a much nicer world if we killed off all of those potentially threatening people before they even got a chance to harm us? Genocide: that's the answer!

Well since humans attack people for no reason, let's just kill us all :rolleyes:

People assume these dogs are vicous and treat them that way, of course the dog is gonna be vicious.

[Chambers]

I do get the thing about pitbulls - my cousin had one and he was really sweet when he was a puppy. She took great care of him, but sometimes he'd growl at other people and try to fight the other dogs in the family. So they had to give him away to somebody who knew how to deal with the breed.

People just don't do enough research before adopting a dog. They don't know anything about its temperment. If people would just educate themselves more, then many of these problems would be avoided.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Ags2000
Most of the time it IS the person's fault. An animal is just doing what is in their instincts to protect themselves because they feel threatened.

The first instinct of an animal that feels threatened is to flee. Run away. Not attack. Animals only attack when they are backed into a corner or trying to establish some sort of dominance. So in effect, animals trying to establish dominance for themselves are attacking innocent bystanders.

Owners of pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans think just because their dog doesn't attack them, their dogs are friendly. Well dogs never bite the hand that feeds them. But those 3 dogs will bite any hand that doesn't feed them which is why they should be banned. You don't see people owning wolfs and foxes do you?

pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans are wild animals.

[Chambers]

Originally posted by I am Him
The first instinct of an animal that feels threatened is to flee. Run away. Not attack. Animals only attack when they are backed into a corner or trying to establish some sort of dominance. So in effect, animals trying to establish dominance for themselves are attacking innocent bystanders.

Owners of pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans think just because their dog doesn't attack them, their dogs are friendly. Well dogs never bite the hand that feeds them. But those 3 dogs will bite any hand that doesn't feed them which is why they should be banned. You don't see people owning wolfs and foxes do you?

pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans are wild animals.

They are most certainly NOT wild animals. They're domesticated - they were bred by humans - and therefore, are not wild.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Chambers
They are most certainly NOT wild animals. They're domesticated - they were bred by humans - and therefore, are not wild.

They act like wild animals, and that is enough.

[spunkygirl]

Originally posted by Chambers
I do get the thing about pitbulls - my cousin had one and he was really sweet when he was a puppy. She took great care of him, but sometimes he'd growl at other people and try to fight the other dogs in the family. So they had to give him away to somebody who knew how to deal with the breed.

People just don't do enough research before adopting a dog. They don't know anything about its temperment. If people would just educate themselves more, then many of these problems would be avoided.

:nod: so true. and when you've got little kids that like to be rough with animals to an extent that doesn't help either :(

[spunkygirl]

Originally posted by I am Him
They act like wild animals, and that is enough.

Only because people treat them like wild anjmals. there's a preconeption about these animals, and people treat them like they are vicious, then it's gonna be vicous, kinda like if you think a kid is a brat, then it's gonna act like a brat obviously

[Chambers]

For the record - the rottweilers I've met have been some of the most behaved dogs I've ever seen. There were a lot of them in the neighborhood I used to live in, and they'd walk without a leash, never gave anybody or anything any trouble. Hell, I was more afraid that my little dachshund would hurt the rottweiler, which is why I'd never let them get close.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Only because people treat them like wild anjmals.

People avoid them like they would any wild animal and yet they still insist on attacking. Most dog attacks are from those 3 breeds.

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
there's a preconeption about these animals, and people treat them like they are vicious, then it's gonna be vicous, kinda like if you think a kid is a brat, then it's gonna act like a brat obviously

They act vicious because its in their genetics. Its got nothing to do with how they are treated.

[Chambers]

Originally posted by I am Him
People avoid them like they would any wild animal and yet they still insist on attacking. Most dog attacks are from those 3 breeds.



They act vicious because its in their genetics. Its got nothing to do with how they are treated.

If people didn't let them loose if they suspected they may attack a stranger, then that's their fault - not the dog's.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Chambers
If people didn't let them loose if they suspected they may attack a stranger, then that's their fault - not the dog's.

Which is all the more reason the dogs should be banned. The owners are not repsonsible enough.

[Chambers]

Originally posted by I am Him
Which is all the more reason the dogs should be banned. The owners are not repsonsible enough.

But not ALL of them are vicious. Most of them are great pets. Just because a few stupid owners don't know how to take care of them shouldn't mean that everybody else should have to suffer. They shouldn't be banned. There should be regulations - like not letting them run loose. But no banning.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Chambers
There should be regulations - like not letting them run loose. But no banning.

Letting dogs run loose is already against the law. At least in the United States it is. It's a law some feel they don't have to obey.

[spunkygirl]

Originally posted by I am Him
Which is all the more reason the dogs should be banned. The owners are not repsonsible enough.

So if there's alot of parents in this world that aren't responsible enough to take care of their children then that means all children should be banned as well. I mean obviously there should be no children just as you're saying there's should be none of these dogs.

[MandieR1980]

Originally posted by crystals
I think vicious dogs like pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans should be banned. Dogs like those shouldn't be pets if they bite and can kill people. Especially if they hurt children. Put them all to sleep so that someday they will all be extinct.

I agree it should be illegal to breed them

[spunkygirl]

Originally posted by MandieR1980
I agree it should be illegal to breed them

WHY????????????? They are animals too. Not all are vicious.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
So if there's alot of parents in this world that aren't responsible enough to take care of their children then that means all children should be banned as well. I mean obviously there should be no children just as you're saying there's should be none of these dogs.

Those children should be taken away from those parents just like those dogs should be taken away from those owners.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
So if there's alot of parents in this world that aren't responsible enough to take care of their children then that means all children should be banned as well. I mean obviously there should be no children just as you're saying there's should be none of these dogs.

Hey! Ive seen that movie!. It's called Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Good flick. :)


Originally posted by I am Him
Those children should be taken away from those parents just like those dogs should be taken away from those owners.

But a secong ago you said the dogs should be banned. Which is it? Should they be banned or taken away from unfit owners (which they do by the way) You keep flip flopping like this and I'm gonna start calling you John.

D

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Ags2000
But a secong ago you said the dogs should be banned. Which is it? Should they be banned or taken away from unfit owners

They should be banned. Meaning if anyone owns one of those dogs, the dog should be taken away. Thats what happens when something is banned.

[Michael [hXc]]

Originally posted by I am Him
They should be banned. Meaning if anyone owns one of those dogs, the dog should be taken away. Thats what happens when something is banned.

Why? Animals aren't born aggressive or gentle. It is usually how they are treated and raised by their actual parent. Its not an instinct.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by I am Him
They should be banned. Meaning if anyone owns one of those dogs, the dog should be taken away. Thats what happens when something is banned.


Soooo....then you're saying the kids should be banned to?

Those children should be taken away from those parents just like those dogs should be taken away from those owners.

D

[Michael [hXc]]

Thats obviously what he's saying. If a child is bad, then its the parent's fault for raising and teaching them poorly.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Ags2000
Soooo....then you're saying the kids should be banned to?

If "banned" means taking them away from their parents, then yes.

[Michael [hXc]]

Originally posted by I am Him
If "banned" means taking them away from their parents, then yes.

Thats not right because if a kid is bad, its because they're poorly taught by their parents. Thats also really mean to do to the child.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Avril's Sk8er Boi
Thats not right because if a kid is bad, its because they're poorly taught by their parents.
All the more reason the kids should be taken away.

Originally posted by Avril's Sk8er Boi
Thats also really mean to do to the child.

If the child is doing mean things to other people then why should I care?

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by crystals
Put them all to sleep so that someday they will all be extinct. O_O WOW... ohno:

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by crystals
I think vicious dogs like pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans should be banned. Dogs like those shouldn't be pets if they bite and can kill people. Especially if they hurt children. Put them all to sleep so that someday they will all be extinct. That's an awful, awful thing to say. This is the perfect example, everyone, of humans thinking they're dominant to all other species.

[Hollow]

Originally posted by crystals
Put them all to sleep so that someday they will all be extinct.
HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAA THAT WOULD BE SO BAD ASS.

[Hollow]

Originally posted by Ags2000
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
****ty ****ty *** ***

[theanswerman]

ban the owners.

[crystals]

Originally posted by Chambers
Are you being sarcastic or are you serious??

I'm serious. Dogs like pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans are dangerous. I like a lot of dogs, but not the breeds that bite and kill.

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

I don't know if a muzzle is neccesary but you should be responsible for your pet. If your dog attacks somebody you should do time for it.

[Hollow]

Originally posted by crystals
I'm serious. Dogs like pitbulls, rottweilers and dobermans are dangerous. I like a lot of dogs, but not the breeds that bite and kill.
then why don't we kill all tigers, leopards, bears, lions, cheetahs, panthers, alligators, crocodiles, gorillas, killer whales, sharks, killer bees, brown recluse spiders, snakes, coyotes, wolves, and all other animals that kill? why dont we just wipe out half of earth's species with a bulldozer.

if only adam and eve hadn't eaten that ****ing fruit.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by safety pin
then why don't we kill all tigers, leopards, bears, lions, cheetahs, panthers, alligators, crocodiles, gorillas, killer whales, sharks, killer bees, brown recluse spiders, snakes, coyotes, wolves, and all other animals that kill? why dont we just wipe out half of earth's species with a bulldozer.

if only adam and eve hadn't eaten that ****ing fruit. :notworthy

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by *A TV People*
:notworthy All those animals you mention are not Pets. I have not passed anybody lately in my nightly stroll that was walking his "Man Eating Tiger"!!

[Dutabi84]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
All those animals you mention are not Pets. I have not passed anybody lately in my nightly stroll that was walking his "Man Eating Tiger"!!

Sigfried and Roy.

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by Dutabi84
Sigfried and Roy.

Touche'


That tiger turned out to be a wonderful pet.

[Dutabi84]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
Touche'


That tiger turned out to be a wonderful pet.

Yeah that poor bastard..well you can't blame the animal for being hungry for some human flesh.

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by Dutabi84
Yeah that poor bastard..well you can't blame the animal for being hungry for some human flesh.


The poor Tiger. How dare we begrudge the poor animal for almost ripping a human head off.

Terrorists do it and everyone is appropriately upset but the Tiger does it and everyone speaks for the tiger.

[Hollow]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
All those animals you mention are not Pets. I have not passed anybody lately in my nightly stroll that was walking his "Man Eating Tiger"!!
well if the case is having vicious pets killed we should just throw all pitbulls into a zoo. then they wouldn't be pets.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

I hope you guys are aware that the reason the tiger bit him was because he stumbled and the tiger, out of instinct, was trying to stop him from falling. Thanks and God Bless. The end.

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by safety pin
well if the case is having vicious pets killed we should just throw all pitbulls into a zoo. then they wouldn't be pets.


Ok.. WHere do I sign up for that? They should not be pets.

I can just see the excitement in my kids eyes when I tell them on the way to the zoo that there is a good chance we will see a "pitbull" today!! I mean forget the elephants...

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by *A TV People*
I hope you guys are aware that the reason the tiger bit him was because he stumbled and the tiger, out of instinct, was trying to stop him from falling. Thanks and God Bless. The end.


I have this bridge in Brooklyn real cheap. Email me for details!!

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
Ok.. WHere do I sign up for that? They should not be pets.

I can just see the excitement in my kids eyes when I tell them on the way to the zoo that there is a good chance we will see a "pitbull" today!! I mean forget the elephants... So kill it because they're of no significance to us?

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by *A TV People*
So kill it because they're of no significance to us?


Where did I say kill it? although he would look mighty nice in front of my fireplace!!


You did say "it" right?

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
I have this bridge in Brooklyn real cheap. Email me for details!! :grr:

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
Where did I say kill it? although he would look mighty nice in front of my fireplace!!


You did say "it" right? You're right, that's another thing that bothers me...why do we call animals "it" Sorry, you're right. ****ing grammar is implanted in my head.

[Rene]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
I have this bridge in Brooklyn real cheap. Email me for details!!
hahaha thats funny and i actually understand what you mean cause my teacher told me how that saying originated and what it meant last week!lol anyway animals should not be killed for killing other people and humans shouldnt be killed for it either but thats a whole other debate
well thats my 2 cents

[Hollow]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
Ok.. WHere do I sign up for that? They should not be pets.

I can just see the excitement in my kids eyes when I tell them on the way to the zoo that there is a good chance we will see a "pitbull" today!! I mean forget the elephants...
be my guest.

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by *A TV People*
You're right, that's another thing that bothers me...why do we call animals "it" Sorry, you're right. ****ing grammar is implanted in my head.

Yes. If you love the animal don't call the animal "it"!!

I am not for cruel treatment of animals but animals that are a threat should not be pets. That is my point. Pitbulls fall into that catagory.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
Yes. If you love the animal don't call the animal "it"!!

I am not for cruel treatment of animals but animals that are a threat should not be pets. That is my point. Pitbulls fall into that catagory. Yeah, I get it...I disagree more with others than you.

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by darlene_conner
hahaha thats funny and i actually understand what you mean cause my teacher told me how that saying originated and what it meant last week!lol anyway animals should not be killed just for killing other people and humans shouldnt be killed for it either but thats a whole other debate
well thats my 2 cents


I have a problem with the term "Just for killing other people" like that is the same as double parking.

[Rene]

yea i just realized that it sounded rather harsh ill edit it

[Dutabi84]

Just came across this for all the pitbull "haters" out there...

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/

[crystals]

Originally posted by safety pin
then why don't we kill all tigers, leopards, bears, lions, cheetahs, panthers, alligators, crocodiles, gorillas, killer whales, sharks, killer bees, brown recluse spiders, snakes, coyotes, wolves, and all other animals that kill? why dont we just wipe out half of earth's species with a bulldozer.

if only adam and eve hadn't eaten that ****ing fruit.

The animals you have mentioned are all naturally wild. I have seen a fairly tame cheetah once many years ago when this guy came to my school and let everyone pet the cheetah. Her name was Tawana. But, even though the cheetah appeared tame everyone still has to remember that it is a wild animal and will attack if it feels threatened.
Pitbulls are wild animals, too. If not banned, they should always be on a leash and have a muzzle over it's mouth so it cannot attack.

[barwars]

If a animal is dangerous it should be put to sleep.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally posted by crystals
The animals you have mentioned are all naturally wild. I have seen a fairly tame cheetah once many years ago when this guy came to my school and let everyone pet the cheetah. Her name was Tawana. But, even though the cheetah appeared tame everyone still has to remember that it is a wild animal and will attack if it feels threatened.
Pitbulls are wild animals, too. If not banned, they should always be on a leash and have a muzzle over it's mouth so it cannot attack. Jesus Christ...ohno:

They're NOT wild animals. Click on that link above, which I found to be a great site :)

[Chambers]

The biggest problem I have with some of these arguments is that people are generalizing breeds. Dogs of the same breed are NOT all the same, just as humans aren't all the same. Many dogs pertaining to these three hated breeds make excellent pets and are not dangerous. Should we then sacrifice the lives of all these innocent dogs just because some of them got out of hand? That would be called racism and genocide if we were dealing with people.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by Chambers
The biggest problem I have with some of these arguments is that people are generalizing breeds. Dogs of the same breed are NOT all the same, just as humans aren't all the same. Many dogs pertaining to these three hated breeds make excellent pets and are not dangerous. Should we then sacrifice the lives of all these innocent dogs just because some of them got out of hand? That would be called racism and genocide if we were dealing with people.

Very good point! I couldn't have put it better myself.

D

[Michael [hXc]]

Originally posted by Chambers
The biggest problem I have with some of these arguments is that people are generalizing breeds. Dogs of the same breed are NOT all the same, just as humans aren't all the same. Many dogs pertaining to these three hated breeds make excellent pets and are not dangerous. Should we then sacrifice the lives of all these innocent dogs just because some of them got out of hand? That would be called racism and genocide if we were dealing with people.

:clap: good point:D

[GeorgeWBushGOP]

Originally posted by Chambers
The biggest problem I have with some of these arguments is that people are generalizing breeds. Dogs of the same breed are NOT all the same, just as humans aren't all the same. Many dogs pertaining to these three hated breeds make excellent pets and are not dangerous. Should we then sacrifice the lives of all these innocent dogs just because some of them got out of hand? That would be called racism and genocide if we were dealing with people.

Ok. You answered your own question. It is not DEALING with people they are ANIMALS. and Animals are animals. You want to start giving animals the same rights as humans?

Are you upset about all the animals slaughtered for food and clothing?

If there is a potential threat to humans from a particular breed of animal then that animal should not be permitted as a pet. I don't know if they should be killed but you read too many stories about these dogs turning on kids and killing babies.

Sorry but if dogs want their own society let them create their own civilization and rise up against humans. We can have a "Planet of the Dogs"

[Chambers]

Originally posted by GeorgeWBushGOP
Ok. You answered your own question. It is not DEALING with people they are ANIMALS. and Animals are animals. You want to start giving animals the same rights as humans?

Are you upset about all the animals slaughtered for food and clothing?

If there is a potential threat to humans from a particular breed of animal then that animal should not be permitted as a pet. I don't know if they should be killed but you read too many stories about these dogs turning on kids and killing babies.

Sorry but if dogs want their own society let them create their own civilization and rise up against humans. We can have a "Planet of the Dogs"

Humans are animals. Genetics don't determine everything about us. Dogs within a breed aren't all going to have the same characteristics. I understand that pitbulls can be very dangerous and there should be limits on who should own them. But this is the first time I'm hearing crap about rotweillers and dobermans - they make very good pets. The right thing to do would be to breed vicious pitbulls with more docile dogs. That way we don't have to kill them off.

[I am Him]

Originally posted by Chambers
. But this is the first time I'm hearing crap about rotweillers and dobermans - they make very good pets.

Its not an issue of whether or not they make good pets. A wolf could be a good pet. The issue is them attacking people in the general public.

[Chambers]

Originally posted by I am Him
Its not an issue of whether or not they make good pets. A wolf could be a good pet. The issue is them attacking people in the general public.

I meant they make good pets in the overall sense - meaning they DO NOT ATTACK PEOPLE. In my neighborhood, there are a bunch of rotweillers who live in apartments and walk without a leash by their owners. They've never done anything to people or other animals. That's because they weren't trained to be guard dogs - they were raised to be family pets.